McCarthy Difference

Anyone else thinking McCarthy is now making good players play the way they can ?

Bennett, Morrison, Vaulks, Wilson, Ralls, Ojo all now playing at the level we knew they were capable of.

McCarthy may not be here for the long term but is showing how important a good, confident manager is in getting the best out of players.

Spot on

It seems Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor have given the players confidence again.

Most importantly, they've found a way to get the players to be enjoying their football again with smiles on their faces. That's a big part of moving forward and doing well.

Not beaten so far ....Long may it continue

I know MM has only signed until the end of the season but it’s obvious he’s going to get a longer contract. He’s a decent manager that can get the best out of the players. We won’t have parachute money next season coupled with the impact of covid will mean we won’t have a pot to pee in. He’ll know the squad and will work within a budget, if anyone thinks we’re going to get a new manager with some type of passing philosophy in the summer then they are delusional.

If Mick keeps getting decent results then we keep him.
No brainer

Problem is with keeping MM for next season is as soon as we go on a losing run it’s back to square 1 he gets the sack and where do we go from there?
I’m personally hoping for a change of ethos throughout the club with what looks like good appointments at academy level and results for our u23’s and u18’s starting to look good hoping for a younger progressive manager to take over the first team.

Problem is with keeping MM for next season is as soon as we go on a losing run it’s back to square 1 he gets the sack and where do we go from there?
I’m personally hoping for a change of ethos throughout the club with what looks like good appointments at academy level and results for our u23’s and u18’s starting to look good hoping for a younger progressive manager to take over the first team.

why younger ? most fail..isnt someone with a track record better than a punt in someone for no other reason than them being young...no idea what progressive is ...is it what bristol played today which was gash ?

Problem is with keeping MM for next season is as soon as we go on a losing run it’s back to square 1 he gets the sack and where do we go from there?
I’m personally hoping for a change of ethos throughout the club with what looks like good appointments at academy level and results for our u23’s and u18’s starting to look good hoping for a younger progressive manager to take over the first team.

why younger ? most fail..isnt someone with a track record better than a punt in someone for no other reason than them being young...no idea what progressive is ...is it what bristol played today which was gash ?

Progressive is developing gradually a style of play that the fans can buy into as we have
been promoted twice and failed dramatically twice. In the meeting that went ahead recently it
was stated by MD that there is no footballing identity and that has been the same since
DJ left the club. Not all younger managers fail for myself that is the direction I would like to
see club take if it takes a few years to get back to the Prem and stay there I for one would
be happy but that's just my opinion.

Problem is with keeping MM for next season is as soon as we go on a losing run it’s back to square 1 he gets the sack and where do we go from there?
I’m personally hoping for a change of ethos throughout the club with what looks like good appointments at academy level and results for our u23’s and u18’s starting to look good hoping for a younger progressive manager to take over the first team.

why younger ? most fail..isnt someone with a track record better than a punt in someone for no other reason than them being young...no idea what progressive is ...is it what bristol played today which was gash ?

Progressive is developing gradually a style of play that the fans can buy into as we have
been promoted twice and failed dramatically twice. In the meeting that went ahead recently it
was stated by MD that there is no footballing identity and that has been the same since
DJ left the club. Not all younger managers fail for myself that is the direction I would like to
see club take if it takes a few years to get back to the Prem and stay there I for one would
be happy but that's just my opinion.

I tend to agree with this and hope for a change to a more modern and sustainable philosophy in the summer.
Hate the word ‘philosophy’ but couldn’t think of a better word!

Progressive, for me, is a younger type manager like Cooper or Potter who play a more modern, faster flowing game rather than the war of attrition type football we’ve played for years.

We've gone with younger progressive managers twice in recent history in Trollope and Ole. Neither the board nor the fans has the patience to see it through.

Besides in MM we've got a manager with experience, committed to building a pathway from the academy, and the set up yesterday was certainly anything but old skool route one.

I think we've landed on our feet this time around and hope he gets the gig full time.

You gotta remember that a good coach adapts and revises his methods,MM has said as much himself.Yesterdays formation employing 2 number 10's was unheard of 10yrs ago if I remember correct and I think thats the way forward for us.I would imagine that managers like of MM's age probably had to re-invent themselves several times over the years but yesterdays formation proved he's across everything relevant in todays game.

MM seems to know how to play, and coach a 5312 formation.

He was a defender himself and knows exactly how to execute. Harris tried it a couple of times and was woefully out of his depth. Then again, he was a striker and his assistant a midfielder.

I for one hope MM has a super end to the season, but I would like a complete change at the top for next season. We cant have another season like this or it will become a habit and we will suffer longer term.

We've gone with younger progressive managers twice in recent history in Trollope and Ole. Neither the board nor the fans has the patience to see it through.

Besides in MM we've got a manager with experience, committed to building a pathway from the academy, and the set up yesterday was certainly anything but old skool route one.

I think we've landed on our feet this time around and hope he gets the gig full time.

The issue is that we try and go from one extreme to the other. There is nothing in common between Malky, ole, slade, trollop, warnock and Harris. New manager and new way of playing. Going from malky to ole, slade to trollop was never going to be a smooth transition. A lot of wasted money on players who dont fit into the next managers plans. The transition needs to be slowly implemented where we head in a certain direction each transfer window with a manager capable of making the changes.

Mcarthy has shown more tactical awareness in 3 games than Harris did in the entire time he was here. I fully expect him to do well this season and get a new contract for next season. And fair enough if he does. But does that mean we are going to continue on this trend of building teams that the next manager is going to struggle with as hell be starting from scratch. Look what happened to Ipswich.

We've gone with younger progressive managers twice in recent history in Trollope and Ole. Neither the board nor the fans has the patience to see it through.

Besides in MM we've got a manager with experience, committed to building a pathway from the academy, and the set up yesterday was certainly anything but old skool route one.

I think we've landed on our feet this time around and hope he gets the gig full time.

The issue is that we try and go from one extreme to the other. There is nothing in common between Malky, ole, slade, trollop, warnock and Harris. New manager and new way of playing. Going from malky to ole, slade to trollop was never going to be a smooth transition. A lot of wasted money on players who dont fit into the next managers plans. The transition needs to be slowly implemented where we head in a certain direction each transfer window with a manager capable of making the changes.

Mcarthy has shown more tactical awareness in 3 games than Harris did in the entire time he was here. I fully expect him to do well this season and get a new contract for next season. And fair enough if he does. But does that mean we are going to continue on this trend of building teams that the next manager is going to struggle with as hell be starting from scratch. Look what happened to Ipswich.

all things considered....he did a more than a decent job at Ipswich...

Just remember, we're just typical football fans. A few defeats here and there, some inexplicable tactical blunders, the inevitable occasional poor display and all the positive comments on here will be re-appraised. In half a season, NH went from being highly praised to being slaughtered. It's football it happens.

I will say that MM has for the time being steadied the ship, given the players back their self belief and figured out a way of getting results. We can't ask for more than that but let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. The path the club takes in future will slowly evolve, whether that includes MM or not remains to be seen.

We've gone with younger progressive managers twice in recent history in Trollope and Ole. Neither the board nor the fans has the patience to see it through.

Besides in MM we've got a manager with experience, committed to building a pathway from the academy, and the set up yesterday was certainly anything but old skool route one.

I think we've landed on our feet this time around and hope he gets the gig full time.

The issue is that we try and go from one extreme to the other. There is nothing in common between Malky, ole, slade, trollop, warnock and Harris. New manager and new way of playing. Going from malky to ole, slade to trollop was never going to be a smooth transition. A lot of wasted money on players who dont fit into the next managers plans. The transition needs to be slowly implemented where we head in a certain direction each transfer window with a manager capable of making the changes.

Mcarthy has shown more tactical awareness in 3 games than Harris did in the entire time he was here. I fully expect him to do well this season and get a new contract for next season. And fair enough if he does. But does that mean we are going to continue on this trend of building teams that the next manager is going to struggle with as hell be starting from scratch. Look what happened to Ipswich.

all things considered....he did a more than a decent job at Ipswich...

Your quite right and I also remember at the time loads of fans on their forum calling for his head and when they got their way the club dropped like a stone.

We've gone with younger progressive managers twice in recent history in Trollope and Ole. Neither the board nor the fans has the patience to see it through.

Besides in MM we've got a manager with experience, committed to building a pathway from the academy, and the set up yesterday was certainly anything but old skool route one.

I think we've landed on our feet this time around and hope he gets the gig full time.

The issue is that we try and go from one extreme to the other. There is nothing in common between Malky, ole, slade, trollop, warnock and Harris. New manager and new way of playing. Going from malky to ole, slade to trollop was never going to be a smooth transition. A lot of wasted money on players who dont fit into the next managers plans. The transition needs to be slowly implemented where we head in a certain direction each transfer window with a manager capable of making the changes.

Mcarthy has shown more tactical awareness in 3 games than Harris did in the entire time he was here. I fully expect him to do well this season and get a new contract for next season. And fair enough if he does. But does that mean we are going to continue on this trend of building teams that the next manager is going to struggle with as hell be starting from scratch. Look what happened to Ipswich.

all things considered....he did a more than a decent job at Ipswich...

Your quite right and I also remember at the time loads of fans on their forum calling for his head and when they got their way the club dropped like a stone.

fans always want more mate... i do ..
he spent nothing , well nxt to nothing for 6 years signing people like kiefer moore for 10 grand.. pretty sure in 6 years he only spent 500k or more on a player twice...

We've gone with younger progressive managers twice in recent history in Trollope and Ole. Neither the board nor the fans has the patience to see it through.

Besides in MM we've got a manager with experience, committed to building a pathway from the academy, and the set up yesterday was certainly anything but old skool route one.

I think we've landed on our feet this time around and hope he gets the gig full time.

The issue is that we try and go from one extreme to the other. There is nothing in common between Malky, ole, slade, trollop, warnock and Harris. New manager and new way of playing. Going from malky to ole, slade to trollop was never going to be a smooth transition. A lot of wasted money on players who dont fit into the next managers plans. The transition needs to be slowly implemented where we head in a certain direction each transfer window with a manager capable of making the changes.

Mcarthy has shown more tactical awareness in 3 games than Harris did in the entire time he was here. I fully expect him to do well this season and get a new contract for next season. And fair enough if he does. But does that mean we are going to continue on this trend of building teams that the next manager is going to struggle with as hell be starting from scratch. Look what happened to Ipswich.

all things considered....he did a more than a decent job at Ipswich...

Their football was terrible and they were relegated when he left. Are we going to be left in a similar position - Similar to when warnock left as well - With a team full of grafters and little technical ability where it takes a specific kind of manager to get a performance out of the team. There arnt many warnocks or McCarthys left in the game.

We've gone with younger progressive managers twice in recent history in Trollope and Ole. Neither the board nor the fans has the patience to see it through.

Besides in MM we've got a manager with experience, committed to building a pathway from the academy, and the set up yesterday was certainly anything but old skool route one.

I think we've landed on our feet this time around and hope he gets the gig full time.

The issue is that we try and go from one extreme to the other. There is nothing in common between Malky, ole, slade, trollop, warnock and Harris. New manager and new way of playing. Going from malky to ole, slade to trollop was never going to be a smooth transition. A lot of wasted money on players who dont fit into the next managers plans. The transition needs to be slowly implemented where we head in a certain direction each transfer window with a manager capable of making the changes.

Mcarthy has shown more tactical awareness in 3 games than Harris did in the entire time he was here. I fully expect him to do well this season and get a new contract for next season. And fair enough if he does. But does that mean we are going to continue on this trend of building teams that the next manager is going to struggle with as hell be starting from scratch. Look what happened to Ipswich.

all things considered....he did a more than a decent job at Ipswich...

Their football was terrible and they were relegated when he left. Are we going to be left in a similar position - Similar to when warnock left as well - With a team full of grafters and little technical ability where it takes a specific kind of manager to get a performance out of the team. There arnt many warnocks or McCarthys left in the game.

yes they got relegated 13 months AFTER he had left... they were 12th when he went..
if you want better players you have to pay more mate...you cant just put it at the managers door that a 10k player is not as good as a 4 mill player who is not as good as an 8 mill player when his budget was 10k..or4 mill... and unfortunately for you there are plenty left and always will be as the game ultimately is about winning games...dont ...and you get sacked...so..if you dont have the best players you have to find a way...make the most of what you have...or just become another 10 a penny Harris that did coach school and came out with no more than a few cliches and the idea you can toe to toe with better teams and get results...
seems to be this waste..crap thing.. as if we we are big spenders... i honestly dont get it... we went up fighting well above our weight with absolutely no one thinking we would ,spent very very little in premier league terms having gone up but managed most points per pound by a margin...lost almost half the squad on relegation without much in the way of big incoming fees and despite this spent less than our main competitors who wre strengthening not rebuilding ....all while we have fans wondering why glatzel is not mitrovic..and Vaulks is not Helder Costa....Mick spent even less... and somehow kept Ipswich not only in the division but some years top half....and if when he leaves we are left with a team of cheap grafters...trust me its not because mick chose them over signing kane and salah....

Until we are in a position where buying whoever we want and money is no object, it is clear we need someone who can build a team based on working to their strengths and fighting for each other. If mick can do that then I’d happily have him. He’s experienced and he knows what he is doing. Of course having “an identity” and a young talented progressive manager would be nice. But this is a results business too. Let’s face it. Most managers these days are short term appointments. Mick is doing the business right now. Long may it continue.

We've gone with younger progressive managers twice in recent history in Trollope and Ole. Neither the board nor the fans has the patience to see it through.

Besides in MM we've got a manager with experience, committed to building a pathway from the academy, and the set up yesterday was certainly anything but old skool route one.

I think we've landed on our feet this time around and hope he gets the gig full time.

I think in the case of Trollope it wasn't so much a lack of patience that did for the modern progressive manager but the fact that we were totally crap and it was obvious he was going to get us relegated to league one albeit in a modern progressive way. We would have ended up as the best footballing side in the National league.

He has made a difference because he knows what he is doing. Square pegs in square holes and round ones in the round ones.

It's a simple concept, but effective.

Harris is history but he never did anything to get him the city job. You can say you are going to do x or y, but you need the ammunition and deep knowledge to do it. Harris couldn't

TBF, Mick hasn't said he is going to do x,y or z except try to win games. I thought yesterday's game was brutal, but we won. This has to be the slowest team i can recall since Malky's but he had Whitts dictating play, we have Ralls and Vaulks lobbing it behind the full back and pushing up.

His job is to keep us in the championship, I am with him 100% . I will reserve judgement when he gets us safe and then shows us what life with Mick will be like.

Why do people keep asking for a young manager? Whats that going to do? The club need a philsophy before you can get in a young manager in, someone who can say "yea i see what your doing i can keep that up and improve"

Why Swansea always do well

We've gone with younger progressive managers twice in recent history in Trollope and Ole. Neither the board nor the fans has the patience to see it through.

Besides in MM we've got a manager with experience, committed to building a pathway from the academy, and the set up yesterday was certainly anything but old skool route one.

I think we've landed on our feet this time around and hope he gets the gig full time.

The issue is that we try and go from one extreme to the other. There is nothing in common between Malky, ole, slade, trollop, warnock and Harris. New manager and new way of playing. Going from malky to ole, slade to trollop was never going to be a smooth transition. A lot of wasted money on players who dont fit into the next managers plans. The transition needs to be slowly implemented where we head in a certain direction each transfer window with a manager capable of making the changes.

Mcarthy has shown more tactical awareness in 3 games than Harris did in the entire time he was here. I fully expect him to do well this season and get a new contract for next season. And fair enough if he does. But does that mean we are going to continue on this trend of building teams that the next manager is going to struggle with as hell be starting from scratch. Look what happened to Ipswich.

all things considered....he did a more than a decent job at Ipswich...

Their football was terrible and they were relegated when he left. Are we going to be left in a similar position - Similar to when warnock left as well - With a team full of grafters and little technical ability where it takes a specific kind of manager to get a performance out of the team. There arnt many warnocks or McCarthys left in the game.

yes they got relegated 13 months AFTER he had left... they were 12th when he went..
if you want better players you have to pay more mate...you cant just put it at the managers door that a 10k player is not as good as a 4 mill player who is not as good as an 8 mill player when his budget was 10k..or4 mill... and unfortunately for you there are plenty left and always will be as the game ultimately is about winning games...dont ...and you get sacked...so..if you dont have the best players you have to find a way...make the most of what you have...or just become another 10 a penny Harris that did coach school and came out with no more than a few cliches and the idea you can toe to toe with better teams and get results...
seems to be this waste..crap thing.. as if we we are big spenders... i honestly dont get it... we went up fighting well above our weight with absolutely no one thinking we would ,spent very very little in premier league terms having gone up but managed most points per pound by a margin...lost almost half the squad on relegation without much in the way of big incoming fees and despite this spent less than our main competitors who wre strengthening not rebuilding ....all while we have fans wondering why glatzel is not mitrovic..and Vaulks is not Helder Costa....Mick spent even less... and somehow kept Ipswich not only in the division but some years top half....and if when he leaves we are left with a team of cheap grafters...trust me its not because mick chose them over signing kane and salah....

In the lower leagues maybe yea. There's a reason why no one in the prem plays hoofball or that the ones most likely to be promoted from the championship dont play it either. More teams would be playing it if it meant they had more chance of winning.

The amount we spent compared to other teams is completely irrelevant. Doesnt change the fact that A lot of the money we have spent in recent years has been a complete waste. Two promotions and still a big debt. We have a thread bare squad that doesn't possess a lot of technical ability. How have we not wasted money? Warnock was not on a 10k budget, he spent the best part of 20mill after we were relegated and the football was terrible - its why he is gone.

This idea that the only way Cardiff can be successful is if we play longball football is stupid. As we have seen, it's only tolerated if the team are winning. Which is unrealistic. The sooner we move to a better passing game the better. It'll give us more options in the transfer market and it will allow any potential youth players to step up easier. It will also make transitioning between managers easier. After Dalmans 'new direction' speech Harris should never have even been an option for us. I like mick and knew he would improve things. But its still to early to see how he'll shape the club. I wont blame him if he's not backed, but I will blame if he is backed and builds a squad of grafters that needs a rebuild for next manager, which seems to be City's way of doing things.

A younger manager for the future would be great but as said many times our board wouldnt know a good young manager if they were right in front of them.

I am happy with Mick but sadly while dalman Tan and co are there we will never have a young decent manager , Cooper is a Cardiff City supporter and would have been a great catch for Cardiff but Swansea have football people who advise their owners like Alan Curtis Leon Britton we have dalman ... Enough said

Anyone else thinking McCarthy is now making good players play the way they can ?

Bennett, Morrison, Vaulks, Wilson, Ralls, Ojo all now playing at the level we knew they were capable of.

McCarthy may not be here for the long term but is showing how important a good, confident manager is in getting the best out of players.

Miles better Saturday, looked like a different team