Cardiff Heirarchy

Have we anyone who really has a passion for our club?
Who gets us?
Money changes people and their perspectives..
Just asking ?

Have we anyone who really has a passion for our club?
Who gets us?
Money changes people and their perspectives..
Just asking ?

My View:

Chairman Dalman, 100% NO interest in us at all, season tcket holder at Old Trafford, trying to buy another club, nearly bought Charlton last year, lives in London.

CEO Ken Choo, NO intertest,just a job for him, works mainly now for Tan in his car places in London and has left his place in Penarth to move to London, not a football man.

Owner Tan,NO interest, wants gone and has had us up for sale for 3yrs, watched us 4 times now in 4 yrs, No knowledge of football.
Accepted both offers to sell, changed his mind on the London Consortium that was put together even though they admit very good offer, but Tan found out who was behind it, a multi Millionaire who Tan does not like.
An American group had offer accepted, but they withdrew after seeing how bad our debts were and court cases etc.


Latest Committee Member David Hughes, Hmmmm?

4 First team matches in 4 years are a bit poor really, isn't it?

I can think of some former owners who turned up to every Academy match in addition to the first-team games.

Ok, so we have an owner who was once a Billionaire. But what is the point of having a Billionaire owner - if he is not going to invest in the club and take it forward?

Norwich Owners are only worth in the region of £30m yet look at where their investment has them. Watford owner Gino Pozzo is only worth £120m and they are ahead of us too.

Personally, I would prefer someone who is perhaps not as rich as Tan but willing to put their heart and soul into the club - Or, even better, someone who is richer than Tan and will give the club the success it deserves.

4 First team matches in 4 years are a bit poor really, isn't it?

I can think of some former owners who turned up to every Academy match in addition to the first-team games.

Ok, so we have an owner who was once a Billionaire. But what is the point of having a Billionaire owner - if he is not going to invest in the club and take it forward?

Norwich Owners are only worth in the region of £30m yet look at where their investment has them. Watford owner Gino Pozzo is only worth £120m and they are ahead of us too.

Personally, I would prefer someone who is perhaps not as rich as Tan but willing to put their heart and soul into the club - Or, even better, someone who is richer than Tan and will give the club the success it deserves.

dont have an issue with owners , especially foreign owners not watching all the games....
the rest i fully agree with ,its not how rich the owner is , its how much their investment is...

Some great points in all posts above but I can't help feeling a little bit that City supports have somewhat brought the current situation on ourselves with all the negativity towards the current owner; some of it as vitriolic as I have ever seen

Clearly Vincent Tan made mistakes (the red thing in particular) but even before that he ploughed a lot of money into the club, supported his managers and got us (twice) into the Premier League and a League Cup Final

I wonder if some of us would have been so benevolent had we had been attacked/vilified in such fashion?

However, we are where we are and currently we are in a surprisingly bad position with said current owner certainly appearing to have little or no interest in his investment other than to keep the books as balanced as is possible during a pandemic

I don't know what his future plans are and the (increasingly smart to me) replacement of Neil Harris with Mick McCarthy appears to show he doesn't want us falling any further, which for me is a positive

What the future holds, I don't know; but I know we are at a crossroads where an 'success' will come through smart on-field management and (mainly) through investment in youth

I am all for that but there has to be limits in order to improve our position and move forward positively. This is where we have to have some concern going forward, i.e. will the current owner be there for us in any real terms next season and beyond?

I have no doubt he is/has been willing to sell the club and that is for him to action or not. But, if he has lost interest, then he should be honest enough to say so and give someone else the opportunity to take the club over going forward

Who could/should that be?

That is the $m question and I have to say I would be one willing to give a certain person the opportunity to finish hat he started; although the chances of that occurring remain 'complicated'

We are currently in a tough position and we need a leader who can, uhm, lead

Mick McCarthy is a good start and we need to seriously reflect once this disappointing season is over...

Good post

Some great points in all posts above but I can't help feeling a little bit that City supports have somewhat brought the current situation on ourselves with all the negativity towards the current owner; some of it as vitriolic as I have ever seen

Clearly Vincent Tan made mistakes (the red thing in particular) but even before that he ploughed a lot of money into the club, supported his managers and got us (twice) into the Premier League and a League Cup Final

I wonder if some of us would have been so benevolent had we had been attacked/vilified in such fashion?

However, we are where we are and currently we are in a surprisingly bad position with said current owner certainly appearing to have little or no interest in his investment other than to keep the books as balanced as is possible during a pandemic

I don't know what his future plans are and the (increasingly smart to me) replacement of Neil Harris with Mick McCarthy appears to show he doesn't want us falling any further, which for me is a positive

What the future holds, I don't know; but I know we are at a crossroads where an 'success' will come through smart on-field management and (mainly) through investment in youth

I am all for that but there has to be limits in order to improve our position and move forward positively. This is where we have to have some concern going forward, i.e. will the current owner be there for us in any real terms next season and beyond?

I have no doubt he is/has been willing to sell the club and that is for him to action or not. But, if he has lost interest, then he should be honest enough to say so and give someone else the opportunity to take the club over going forward

Who could/should that be?

That is the $m question and I have to say I would be one willing to give a certain person the opportunity to finish hat he started; although the chances of that occurring remain 'complicated'

We are currently in a tough position and we need a leader who can, uhm, lead

Mick McCarthy is a good start and we need to seriously reflect once this disappointing season is over...

A good post, and one that reflects the message boards philosophy of debate and opinions.

I do think we agree on a lot, sit slightly on opposite sides of the fence on other matters, but I enjoyed that read.

Having followed Cardiff since around 73, I like all supporters were starved of success until around 2002/3. I would say we have ben more than successful since then based on the previous 30 years.

The owner wasnt mega rich then but knew how to wow a crowd, ignite the passion, and spend the money ( whether he haf it or not is another matter).

We now have a mega rich owner, and that hugely excitede me in terms of what we could achieve. It startes so well, but support has dwindled as has his interest. I feel we are now as far away from success again as we were pre 2003.

Having felt success, I want it again, but this time long term. If an owner wants out thats fine. It would be a thank you from me, but everything has to move on, and overstaying a welcome when you dont even want to be at the party is not good. Not good at all.

Some great points in all posts above but I can't help feeling a little bit that City supports have somewhat brought the current situation on ourselves with all the negativity towards the current owner; some of it as vitriolic as I have ever seen

Clearly Vincent Tan made mistakes (the red thing in particular) but even before that he ploughed a lot of money into the club, supported his managers and got us (twice) into the Premier League and a League Cup Final

I wonder if some of us would have been so benevolent had we had been attacked/vilified in such fashion?

However, we are where we are and currently we are in a surprisingly bad position with said current owner certainly appearing to have little or no interest in his investment other than to keep the books as balanced as is possible during a pandemic

I don't know what his future plans are and the (increasingly smart to me) replacement of Neil Harris with Mick McCarthy appears to show he doesn't want us falling any further, which for me is a positive

What the future holds, I don't know; but I know we are at a crossroads where an 'success' will come through smart on-field management and (mainly) through investment in youth

I am all for that but there has to be limits in order to improve our position and move forward positively. This is where we have to have some concern going forward, i.e. will the current owner be there for us in any real terms next season and beyond?

I have no doubt he is/has been willing to sell the club and that is for him to action or not. But, if he has lost interest, then he should be honest enough to say so and give someone else the opportunity to take the club over going forward

Who could/should that be?

That is the $m question and I have to say I would be one willing to give a certain person the opportunity to finish hat he started; although the chances of that occurring remain 'complicated'

We are currently in a tough position and we need a leader who can, uhm, lead

Mick McCarthy is a good start and we need to seriously reflect once this disappointing season is over...

Chris,

Tan brought it on himself, stripped our club of its identity for 4 years, thats more than shocking, its lower than low.
Only gave it back because fans turned big time.

Wasted £millions upon £millions on rebrand / court cases / players.

Put £200mill in, but had 70% back, for me the rest he should whistle for he lost it with his pathetic court cases.

Where are we now 11 yrs laters??

Have we anyone who really has a passion for our club?
Who gets us?
Money changes people and their perspectives..
Just asking ?

My View:

Chairman Dalman, 100% NO interest in us at all, season tcket holder at Old Trafford, trying to buy another club, nearly bought Charlton last year, lives in London.

CEO Ken Choo, NO intertest,just a job for him, works mainly now for Tan in his car places in London and has left his place in Penarth to move to London, not a football man.

Owner Tan,NO interest, wants gone and has had us up for sale for 3yrs, watched us 4 times now in 4 yrs, No knowledge of football.
Accepted both offers to sell, changed his mind on the London Consortium that was put together even though they admit very good offer, but Tan found out who was behind it, a multi Millionaire who Tan does not like.
An American group had offer accepted, but they withdrew after seeing how bad our debts were and court cases etc.


Latest Committee Member David Hughes, Hmmmm?

Who was the multi millionaire that tan doesn’t like?

Some great points in all posts above but I can't help feeling a little bit that City supports have somewhat brought the current situation on ourselves with all the negativity towards the current owner; some of it as vitriolic as I have ever seen

Clearly Vincent Tan made mistakes (the red thing in particular) but even before that he ploughed a lot of money into the club, supported his managers and got us (twice) into the Premier League and a League Cup Final

I wonder if some of us would have been so benevolent had we had been attacked/vilified in such fashion?

However, we are where we are and currently we are in a surprisingly bad position with said current owner certainly appearing to have little or no interest in his investment other than to keep the books as balanced as is possible during a pandemic

I don't know what his future plans are and the (increasingly smart to me) replacement of Neil Harris with Mick McCarthy appears to show he doesn't want us falling any further, which for me is a positive

What the future holds, I don't know; but I know we are at a crossroads where an 'success' will come through smart on-field management and (mainly) through investment in youth

I am all for that but there has to be limits in order to improve our position and move forward positively. This is where we have to have some concern going forward, i.e. will the current owner be there for us in any real terms next season and beyond?

I have no doubt he is/has been willing to sell the club and that is for him to action or not. But, if he has lost interest, then he should be honest enough to say so and give someone else the opportunity to take the club over going forward

Who could/should that be?

That is the $m question and I have to say I would be one willing to give a certain person the opportunity to finish hat he started; although the chances of that occurring remain 'complicated'

We are currently in a tough position and we need a leader who can, uhm, lead

Mick McCarthy is a good start and we need to seriously reflect once this disappointing season is over...

I wonder if Tan hadn’t changed to red (since changed back), how people would feel about him then? Would be interested to get peoples thoughts as I can’t think of anything else that he has done wrong.

He has backed managers with cash - unfortunately a lot of that has been wasted on rubbish (including by Warnock). At some point the spending has to stop and he has to try and get the club back on an even keel. My guess would be if you looked at our net spend over the last 8-10 years we would be one of the highest in the Championship.

As for a certain person who has ‘unfinished business’ - personally I don’t want to ever see him near this club again. It would be a huge backward step and he was quite happy to keep toying with the club after he left.

Some great points in all posts above but I can't help feeling a little bit that City supports have somewhat brought the current situation on ourselves with all the negativity towards the current owner; some of it as vitriolic as I have ever seen

Clearly Vincent Tan made mistakes (the red thing in particular) but even before that he ploughed a lot of money into the club, supported his managers and got us (twice) into the Premier League and a League Cup Final

I wonder if some of us would have been so benevolent had we had been attacked/vilified in such fashion?

However, we are where we are and currently we are in a surprisingly bad position with said current owner certainly appearing to have little or no interest in his investment other than to keep the books as balanced as is possible during a pandemic

I don't know what his future plans are and the (increasingly smart to me) replacement of Neil Harris with Mick McCarthy appears to show he doesn't want us falling any further, which for me is a positive

What the future holds, I don't know; but I know we are at a crossroads where an 'success' will come through smart on-field management and (mainly) through investment in youth

I am all for that but there has to be limits in order to improve our position and move forward positively. This is where we have to have some concern going forward, i.e. will the current owner be there for us in any real terms next season and beyond?

I have no doubt he is/has been willing to sell the club and that is for him to action or not. But, if he has lost interest, then he should be honest enough to say so and give someone else the opportunity to take the club over going forward

Who could/should that be?

That is the $m question and I have to say I would be one willing to give a certain person the opportunity to finish hat he started; although the chances of that occurring remain 'complicated'

We are currently in a tough position and we need a leader who can, uhm, lead

Mick McCarthy is a good start and we need to seriously reflect once this disappointing season is over...

I wonder if Tan hadn’t changed to red (since changed back), how people would feel about him then? Would be interested to get peoples thoughts as I can’t think of anything else that he has done wrong.

He has backed managers with cash - unfortunately a lot of that has been wasted on rubbish (including by Warnock). At some point the spending has to stop and he has to try and get the club back on an even keel. My guess would be if you looked at our net spend over the last 8-10 years we would be one of the highest in the Championship.

As for a certain person who has ‘unfinished business’ - personally I don’t want to ever see him near this club again. It would be a huge backward step and he was quite happy to keep toying with the club after he left.

what spending... they had a centre half out there today that cost more than our entire back 5.. and a midfield player that cost them more than the other 6 starters for us combined ... no tv money no parachute payments... so how come its us that wasted money on rubbish....

Through work, I got invited to the directors box and Ken Choo and I had a meal together as the football kicked off, as I had been busy prior. We were watching it on the TV, whilst engaging in conversation all things Cardiff City. It was an home fixture a couple of years ago versus Brentford, and when we scored, we both jumped up, run around the table and embraced in a man hug. After the adrenaline had worn off, it all felt a bit awkward. However, when we scored again, I felt obliged to replicate the embrace. KC must have a bit of passion, or at least did at the time.

The toilets colour theme was red, so upon going out to watch the game, I jokingly pointed out to Upeng Tan (VT’s son) that it was the wrong colour. He had a good sense of humour and laughed. He was also extremely polite, refusing to eat his half-time dessert until my wife and children had eaten as we were his guests, which to me spoke volumes of his upbringing and conversation with him was interesting. A very likeable bloke.

Other than exchanging greetings with Dalman, we didn’t engage in conversation, but overall it was an interesting insight into our hierarchy and shed Cardiff City in a good light, but sometimes these smaller things that matter get missed. On another occasion, I met Steve Borley, who was very down to earth and blatantly loves Cardiff City.

Andy Campbell (top bloke) and his family had also been invited and my missus told him that I cried after his goal against QPR and that he was my hero. The first bit was correct, but I could hardly tell him that he wasn’t my hero as quite frankly that’s a bit socially inept. Instead, I just stood there wishing the ground would swallow me up.

The next game, I was back in the Canton Stand a few pints deep, singing myself hoarse and normality had resumed.

The Cardiff Heirachy / Committee what ever you want to call them, heres a major part of our debt and this does not include court cases /rebrand etc etc

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Some great points in all posts above but I can't help feeling a little bit that City supports have somewhat brought the current situation on ourselves with all the negativity towards the current owner; some of it as vitriolic as I have ever seen

Clearly Vincent Tan made mistakes (the red thing in particular) but even before that he ploughed a lot of money into the club, supported his managers and got us (twice) into the Premier League and a League Cup Final

I wonder if some of us would have been so benevolent had we had been attacked/vilified in such fashion?

However, we are where we are and currently we are in a surprisingly bad position with said current owner certainly appearing to have little or no interest in his investment other than to keep the books as balanced as is possible during a pandemic

I don't know what his future plans are and the (increasingly smart to me) replacement of Neil Harris with Mick McCarthy appears to show he doesn't want us falling any further, which for me is a positive

What the future holds, I don't know; but I know we are at a crossroads where an 'success' will come through smart on-field management and (mainly) through investment in youth

I am all for that but there has to be limits in order to improve our position and move forward positively. This is where we have to have some concern going forward, i.e. will the current owner be there for us in any real terms next season and beyond?

I have no doubt he is/has been willing to sell the club and that is for him to action or not. But, if he has lost interest, then he should be honest enough to say so and give someone else the opportunity to take the club over going forward

Who could/should that be?

That is the $m question and I have to say I would be one willing to give a certain person the opportunity to finish hat he started; although the chances of that occurring remain 'complicated'

We are currently in a tough position and we need a leader who can, uhm, lead

Mick McCarthy is a good start and we need to seriously reflect once this disappointing season is over...

I wonder if Tan hadn’t changed to red (since changed back), how people would feel about him then? Would be interested to get peoples thoughts as I can’t think of anything else that he has done wrong.

He has backed managers with cash - unfortunately a lot of that has been wasted on rubbish (including by Warnock). At some point the spending has to stop and he has to try and get the club back on an even keel. My guess would be if you looked at our net spend over the last 8-10 years we would be one of the highest in the Championship.

As for a certain person who has ‘unfinished business’ - personally I don’t want to ever see him near this club again. It would be a huge backward step and he was quite happy to keep toying with the club after he left.

what spending... they had a centre half out there today that cost more than our entire back 5.. and a midfield player that cost them more than the other 6 starters for us combined ... no tv money no parachute payments... so how come its us that wasted money on rubbish....

I said to look at net spending over the last 8–10 years...not based on this season. My guess is that we have spent a lot on players - they just haven’t been very good for the most part, but surely most of that responsibility sits with the manager(s) who identifies them in the first place.

Who knows how Bristol afford to spend that money - but FFP would/should dictate that it catches up with them in the not too distant future if/when they don’t get promoted.

Some great points in all posts above but I can't help feeling a little bit that City supports have somewhat brought the current situation on ourselves with all the negativity towards the current owner; some of it as vitriolic as I have ever seen

Clearly Vincent Tan made mistakes (the red thing in particular) but even before that he ploughed a lot of money into the club, supported his managers and got us (twice) into the Premier League and a League Cup Final

I wonder if some of us would have been so benevolent had we had been attacked/vilified in such fashion?

However, we are where we are and currently we are in a surprisingly bad position with said current owner certainly appearing to have little or no interest in his investment other than to keep the books as balanced as is possible during a pandemic

I don't know what his future plans are and the (increasingly smart to me) replacement of Neil Harris with Mick McCarthy appears to show he doesn't want us falling any further, which for me is a positive

What the future holds, I don't know; but I know we are at a crossroads where an 'success' will come through smart on-field management and (mainly) through investment in youth

I am all for that but there has to be limits in order to improve our position and move forward positively. This is where we have to have some concern going forward, i.e. will the current owner be there for us in any real terms next season and beyond?

I have no doubt he is/has been willing to sell the club and that is for him to action or not. But, if he has lost interest, then he should be honest enough to say so and give someone else the opportunity to take the club over going forward

Who could/should that be?

That is the $m question and I have to say I would be one willing to give a certain person the opportunity to finish hat he started; although the chances of that occurring remain 'complicated'

We are currently in a tough position and we need a leader who can, uhm, lead

Mick McCarthy is a good start and we need to seriously reflect once this disappointing season is over...

I wonder if Tan hadn’t changed to red (since changed back), how people would feel about him then? Would be interested to get peoples thoughts as I can’t think of anything else that he has done wrong.

He has backed managers with cash - unfortunately a lot of that has been wasted on rubbish (including by Warnock). At some point the spending has to stop and he has to try and get the club back on an even keel. My guess would be if you looked at our net spend over the last 8-10 years we would be one of the highest in the Championship.

As for a certain person who has ‘unfinished business’ - personally I don’t want to ever see him near this club again. It would be a huge backward step and he was quite happy to keep toying with the club after he left.

what spending... they had a centre half out there today that cost more than our entire back 5.. and a midfield player that cost them more than the other 6 starters for us combined ... no tv money no parachute payments... so how come its us that wasted money on rubbish....

I said to look at net spending over the last 8–10 years...not based on this season. My guess is that we have spent a lot on players - they just haven’t been very good for the most part, but surely most of that responsibility sits with the manager(s) who identifies them in the first place.

Who knows how Bristol afford to spend that money - but FFP would/should dictate that it catches up with them in the not too distant future if/when they don’t get promoted.

i did not say just this season.... as for 10 years net spending.. ive read what the books say and see what other clubs who have not had 400 mill tv income have managed to spend on players.... its always the ffp and people revolving it round to managers, and poor spending.....fulham paid 18 mill for mawson and BC paid 8 mill for kalas.... thats real world....and BC are by no means the biggest spenders.

Some great points in all posts above but I can't help feeling a little bit that City supports have somewhat brought the current situation on ourselves with all the negativity towards the current owner; some of it as vitriolic as I have ever seen

Clearly Vincent Tan made mistakes (the red thing in particular) but even before that he ploughed a lot of money into the club, supported his managers and got us (twice) into the Premier League and a League Cup Final

I wonder if some of us would have been so benevolent had we had been attacked/vilified in such fashion?

However, we are where we are and currently we are in a surprisingly bad position with said current owner certainly appearing to have little or no interest in his investment other than to keep the books as balanced as is possible during a pandemic

I don't know what his future plans are and the (increasingly smart to me) replacement of Neil Harris with Mick McCarthy appears to show he doesn't want us falling any further, which for me is a positive

What the future holds, I don't know; but I know we are at a crossroads where an 'success' will come through smart on-field management and (mainly) through investment in youth

I am all for that but there has to be limits in order to improve our position and move forward positively. This is where we have to have some concern going forward, i.e. will the current owner be there for us in any real terms next season and beyond?

I have no doubt he is/has been willing to sell the club and that is for him to action or not. But, if he has lost interest, then he should be honest enough to say so and give someone else the opportunity to take the club over going forward

Who could/should that be?

That is the $m question and I have to say I would be one willing to give a certain person the opportunity to finish hat he started; although the chances of that occurring remain 'complicated'

We are currently in a tough position and we need a leader who can, uhm, lead

Mick McCarthy is a good start and we need to seriously reflect once this disappointing season is over...

I wonder if Tan hadn’t changed to red (since changed back), how people would feel about him then? Would be interested to get peoples thoughts as I can’t think of anything else that he has done wrong.

He has backed managers with cash - unfortunately a lot of that has been wasted on rubbish (including by Warnock). At some point the spending has to stop and he has to try and get the club back on an even keel. My guess would be if you looked at our net spend over the last 8-10 years we would be one of the highest in the Championship.

As for a certain person who has ‘unfinished business’ - personally I don’t want to ever see him near this club again. It would be a huge backward step and he was quite happy to keep toying with the club after he left.

what spending... they had a centre half out there today that cost more than our entire back 5.. and a midfield player that cost them more than the other 6 starters for us combined ... no tv money no parachute payments... so how come its us that wasted money on rubbish....

I said to look at net spending over the last 8–10 years...not based on this season. My guess is that we have spent a lot on players - they just haven’t been very good for the most part, but surely most of that responsibility sits with the manager(s) who identifies them in the first place.

Who knows how Bristol afford to spend that money - but FFP would/should dictate that it catches up with them in the not too distant future if/when they don’t get promoted.

i did not say just this season.... as for 10 years net spending.. ive read what the books say and see what other clubs who have not had 400 mill tv income have managed to spend on players.... its always the ffp and people revolving it round to managers, and poor spending.....fulham paid 18 mill for mawson and BC paid 8 mill for kalas.... thats real world....and BC are by no means the biggest spenders.

I don’t get your point - are you saying that we should be spending despite the debt, or that we should be spending better? If the later, who takes the blame for that - the managers and scouting staff surely?

Caulker 11m, Cornelius 8m, Reid 10m, Murphy 11m, Glatzel 5m, Flint 4m - we’ve spent big on players. For the most part they’ve just been really crap. In fact, Medel apart I can’t think of anyone that we’ve spent some cash on (+5m) that has proven to be worth the money.

BTW, the £18m Fulham paid for Mawson looks like a bargain!

I thought some had said the club had 'progressed immensely!'

It certainly had a chance to, but completely blew the Premiership money..TWICE!



City have now been in the Premier League twice - been relegated twice. Currently occupying a lower position in the Championship than when Tan assumed control. Could that be described as progress?

Own the stadium outright - but wasn't that the case before Tan arrived? Didn't he buy a football club that already owned its own stadium? If not, who owned it when he arrived?

Debt to equity conversion - so how large was the club's debt when Tan took control? And how much debt is the club in now? £58mill and now £78mill with players worth hardly anything as the best ones are loans other than Moore

Charitable trust foundation supporting local communities with millions of pounds of Tan's money - I'll have to bow to your greater knowledge on that one as I didn't know such a thing existed.

Training ground facilities vastly improved - I'll bow to your greater knowledge on that one too. I was under the impression that Tan promised to build new training facilities at the time of the rebrand, but those plans never came to fruition. I believed the club doesn't own it's own training facilities, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.

Academy creation - wasn't the academy created long before Tan arrived?

Annis, I believe progression is measured in terms of league position, club accounts and level of support.

The fact we have gone backwards in two of the the three after we have been the recipients of Premier League money twice shows inept leadership especially as the third, our level of support, has increased over the last 10 years.

We cannot progress if an owner knows nothing about football and interferes in the football side of things. These two things can be easily rectified, but they seem constant.

I remember the interview with Ben Turner after he was part of a defence that kept a clean sheet against Villa in the Prem first time around, Ole had to apologetically tell him he was dropped, and there was nothing Ole could do about it. Three of that defence were dropped the following game, none of them Ole's choice.

Annis, I believe progression is measured in terms of league position, club accounts and level of support.

The fact we have gone backwards in two of the the three after we have been the recipients of Premier League money twice shows inept leadership especially as the third, our level of support, has increased over the last 10 years.

We cannot progress if an owner knows nothing about football and interferes in the football side of things. These two things can be easily rectified, but they seem constant.

I remember the interview with Ben Turner after he was part of a defence that kept a clean sheet against Villa in the Prem first time around, Ole had to apologetically tell him he was dropped, and there was nothing Ole could do about it. Three of that defence were dropped the following game, none of them Ole's choice.

Correct Jonny,

Your right our club are not progressing, in fact they have gone backwards including our Accademy, which they have finally after 11yrs to support it.

If I was some of these fans who feel Tan is the man to take us forward ,I'd be far more concerned by the fact that Cardiff City is currently owned and controlled by 68 year-old Malaysian businessman whose intentions for the club are very unclear.

The fact that, according to his Committee and his followers ,the club is entirely dependent upon the continued financial support of a man of Vincent Tan's age and disposition should be a worry to any fan, especially as the only other people currently involved in the football club are a chairman Dalman, who Tan brought in and who was apparently attempting to buy Charlton not so long ago, a CEO Ken Choo who previously ran Tan's hotel chain and the boss of a local engineering firm who is CCFC through and through but who didn't have the financial clout to sustain the club in League Two twenty years ago, let alone the Championship in this day and age, plus who has now left Penarth to live in London and run Tans other businesses.
Very worrying.

I can’t see that we can be sold whilst we have the court cases in the background.

I agree with Tan on his stance on the cases .
I feel once sorted then he will sell up.

I can’t see that we can be sold whilst we have the court cases in the background.

I agree with Tan on his stance on the cases .
I feel once sorted then he will sell up.

The offer of £30mill and take on all debts/court cases was accepted, but changed after Tan realised who was buying us.

As to court cases Tan has had 11 yrs to sort them out, its the never ending story with him, We have lost everyone under him so far, costing our club £millions in costs.