‘ Positive for the future ‘

There has been plenty of doom and gloom with us lately.

6 game losing streak,
replaced our 2nd manager in 2 seasons,
Less than inspiring transfer window
Nearly a whole year without attending a game.

But on a positive note let's take a look at the draw against Millwall.

4 products of our academy in the matchday squad
4 Welsh internationals in our matchday squad
Starting to play a lot better.

Joniesta signed on Sunday and a lot of the U23s looked good in their game against Ipswich.

It's gonna take time, but as long as we continue this way we'll be back on track soon with plenty of home grown players and a heavy Welsh influence back in the team.

Stay Positive and be a Supporter.

There has been plenty of doom and gloom with us lately.

6 game losing streak,
replaced our 2nd manager in 2 seasons,
Less than inspiring transfer window
Nearly a whole year without attending a game.

But on a positive note let's take a look at the draw against Millwall.

4 products of our academy in the matchday squad
4 Welsh internationals in our matchday squad
Starting to play a lot better.

Joniesta signed on Sunday and a lot of the U23s looked good in their game against Ipswich.

It's gonna take time, but as long as we continue this way we'll be back on track soon with plenty of home grown players and a heavy Welsh influence back in the team.

Stay Positive and be a Supporter

Nice one mate. Cup half full like me.

So fan Shed if we have a different view than you we are not a fan of City. Wow wow, I’ve heard it all
Now.

As to players in the match day squad , we don’t know if they are good enough for the Championship yet?
They are in their on the orders of the board not the managers choice.
In there as we are not bringing in new players abd are short.

I hope they succeed and if they do I will be well happy so will I be fan then?

I feel we are going through the birth pains of the Academy.

If say 4 or 5 pull through and get into the squad then we are reborn again. If that does not happen well I would hate to think of the state we will get in.

There at least a couple of yesterday's under 23 team that should walk straight into the first team

I made this a sticky because the few moaning to negative on here.

So come on post positive posts then

Gets to a stage where all you can do is laugh.. which is a positive for me

I like to be positive. I know our owners have made mistakes, but compared to the mess made at Derby and Sheffield Wednesday, where they have nothing to show for virtually bankrupting their clubs, our owners have done ok. We have at least had 2 trips to the Premier League in the last 10 years which is 2 more than Wednesday, Derby, Forest and Bristol City, amongst others.

Enjoy the good times and support the team through the bad times. That’s the way to do it.

MM on a six-month deal shows the board have learned
NG & Watters shows we are heading in a different direction with this new group we never even heard about
Hopefully, the newbies are also looking for the right coach
At some point, we'll have a decent academy kid, although we may have a few over the next two seasons
We'll still be in the championship next season, dust ourselves down, and start again
Smithies, Morrison, Ralls, Moore is a good spine for a championship team.

I like to be positive. I know our owners have made mistakes, but compared to the mess made at Derby and Sheffield Wednesday, where they have nothing to show for virtually bankrupting their clubs, our owners have done ok. We have at least had 2 trips to the Premier League in the last 10 years which is 2 more than Wednesday, Derby, Forest and Bristol City, amongst others.

Enjoy the good times and support the team through the bad times. That’s the way to do it.

Hell of a lot more than just those 2 clubs as well. Wednesday, Derby, Bury, Charlton, Wigan, Bolton, Hull, Sunderland, etc.

10 years
2 promotions
2 seasons in the PL
2 finals at Wembley
3 play off finishes

Not sure there's many teams outside the PL that can boast as much success or excitement. It's certainly not been boring and definitely could be a lot worse

You call Cardiff red going to the premier finishing bottom Cardiff city going to the premier finishing bottom successful?.also losing two cup finals and the play offs?. I call it good try but no cigar.as much as it crush's me genuine success is what the jbs have done 7 seasons. In the premier league and a trophy in the cabinet

I like to be positive. I know our owners have made mistakes, but compared to the mess made at Derby and Sheffield Wednesday, where they have nothing to show for virtually bankrupting their clubs, our owners have done ok. We have at least had 2 trips to the Premier League in the last 10 years which is 2 more than Wednesday, Derby, Forest and Bristol City, amongst others.

Enjoy the good times and support the team through the bad times. That’s the way to do it.

Hell of a lot more than just those 2 clubs as well. Wednesday, Derby, Bury, Charlton, Wigan, Bolton, Hull, Sunderland, etc.

10 years
2 promotions
2 seasons in the PL
2 finals at Wembley
3 play off finishes

Not sure there's many teams outside the PL that can boast as much success or excitement. It's certainly not been boring and definitely could be a lot worse

Besides all that what has VT ever done for us.

Time for a life of Brian thread??

You call Cardiff red going to the premier finishing bottom Cardiff city going to the premier finishing bottom successful?.also losing two cup finals and the play offs?. I call it good try but no cigar.as much as it crush's me genuine success is what the jbs have done 7 seasons. In the premier league and a trophy in the cabinet

Historically yes, our time under Tan has been successful compared to our previous form. Contrary to what some believe we are not a sleeping giant or an underperforming top team. The previous decade has been our best since the 60's/70's and is only really bested by the 50's and 20's.

Before Tan our last time in the top flight was 48 years prior, now in 10 years we had 2 promotions to the PL, more than most have managed in the Championship in the last 10 years.
As for losing in a cup final (Tan wasn't around for FA Cup) of the 22 League Cup finalists since Tan's takeover 20 have been PL, 1 (Cardiff) have been from the Championship and 1 (Bradford) have been from League 1. All 11 finals have been won by a PL team. So yes I would consider taking the LC final to penalties a success.
In our entire history of both the FA Cup and League Cup we've only been involved in 4 cup finals so claiming reaching the final of the league cup final isn't a success, in my opinion, is disingenuous.

Before Tan took us over we were a mid table and lower Championship team, since his takeover we are now regularly promotion candidates. Check out our historical finishes below and tell me Tan hasn't improved us, the red line is Tan's first season.

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You call Cardiff red going to the premier finishing bottom Cardiff city going to the premier finishing bottom successful?.also losing two cup finals and the play offs?. I call it good try but no cigar.as much as it crush's me genuine success is what the jbs have done 7 seasons. In the premier league and a trophy in the cabinet

all success in sport is relative... otherwise hundreds of millions of people who participate , organise and watch just would not bother... 2 cup finals for a club that had not reached one in over 70 years is a success... as are to promtions to the top tier when youve not been there for 50 odd years..

You call Cardiff red going to the premier finishing bottom Cardiff city going to the premier finishing bottom successful?.also losing two cup finals and the play offs?. I call it good try but no cigar.as much as it crush's me genuine success is what the jbs have done 7 seasons. In the premier league and a trophy in the cabinet

all success in sport is relative... otherwise hundreds of millions of people who participate , organise and watch just would not bother... 2 cup finals for a club that had not reached one in over 70 years is a success... as are to promtions to the top tier when youve not been there for 50 odd years..

Bloody hell mate, either your ill or someone's nicked your account's password. Not used to you agreeing with me

There has been plenty of doom and gloom with us lately.

6 game losing streak,
replaced our 2nd manager in 2 seasons,
Less than inspiring transfer window
Nearly a whole year without attending a game.

But on a positive note let's take a look at the draw against Millwall.

4 products of our academy in the matchday squad
4 Welsh internationals in our matchday squad
Starting to play a lot better.

Joniesta signed on Sunday and a lot of the U23s looked good in their game against Ipswich.

It's gonna take time, but as long as we continue this way we'll be back on track soon with plenty of home grown players and a heavy Welsh influence back in the team.

Stay Positive and be a Supporter.

airy fairy not to concerned because i have a sandpit to stick my head in = supporter..
concerned about league position and form = not a supporter....
yeah ok....oh and you can add Steve Morrison U23s manager to the list of not really Welsh but has been capped list...
i dont care if we field 11 martians its how good they are not where their grandmother was born...

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What an unbelievable cheek, we are not supporters for showing our concern.


Who the hell do you thick you Shed?

You call Cardiff red going to the premier finishing bottom Cardiff city going to the premier finishing bottom successful?.also losing two cup finals and the play offs?. I call it good try but no cigar.as much as it crush's me genuine success is what the jbs have done 7 seasons. In the premier league and a trophy in the cabinet

all success in sport is relative... otherwise hundreds of millions of people who participate , organise and watch just would not bother... 2 cup finals for a club that had not reached one in over 70 years is a success... as are to promtions to the top tier when youve not been there for 50 odd years..

Bloody hell mate, either your ill or someone's nicked your account's password. Not used to you agreeing with me

Suppose by our standards losing three Wembley finals and two disastrous seasons in the premier league is seen as success.

You call Cardiff red going to the premier finishing bottom Cardiff city going to the premier finishing bottom successful?.also losing two cup finals and the play offs?. I call it good try but no cigar.as much as it crush's me genuine success is what the jbs have done 7 seasons. In the premier league and a trophy in the cabinet

all success in sport is relative... otherwise hundreds of millions of people who participate , organise and watch just would not bother... 2 cup finals for a club that had not reached one in over 70 years is a success... as are to promtions to the top tier when youve not been there for 50 odd years..

Bloody hell mate, either your ill or someone's nicked your account's password. Not used to you agreeing with me

Suppose by our standards losing three Wembley finals and two disastrous seasons in the premier league is seen as success.

Yes it absolutely is successful by our standards. We are not a team that historically wins cups or plays in the top flight. In 122 years of our existence we've won just one major trophy and have played only 17 seasons in the top flight. Between 1899 and 2007 we reached 2 cup finals, since 2007 we've reached a further 2.
20 years ago we were playing in the bottom division now we're consistently promotion and play off candidates. Before the 13/14 season our last top flight season was the 1961/62 season.

Of course we could've had more success like Leicester, Wolves, Swansea, etc but on the flipside we could've just as easily fallen down the leagues like Portsmouth, who beat us in 2008, Blackpool, who beat us in 2010 and Hull who got promoted with us in 2013.

You call Cardiff red going to the premier finishing bottom Cardiff city going to the premier finishing bottom successful?.also losing two cup finals and the play offs?. I call it good try but no cigar.as much as it crush's me genuine success is what the jbs have done 7 seasons. In the premier league and a trophy in the cabinet

all success in sport is relative... otherwise hundreds of millions of people who participate , organise and watch just would not bother... 2 cup finals for a club that had not reached one in over 70 years is a success... as are to promtions to the top tier when youve not been there for 50 odd years..

Bloody hell mate, either your ill or someone's nicked your account's password. Not used to you agreeing with me

Suppose by our standards losing three Wembley finals and two disastrous seasons in the premier league is seen as success.

What he forgets to tell you two relegations and a higher debt and worse in the league than 11yrs ago.


But the main thing is, all the success in the world means nothing if you don’t have your proper identity and being stripped of it for 4 yrs and made a mockery of , divided, no pride etc even the badge today had some weird worn on it.

That despicable rebrand killed our identity.

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If any kid from the U23s looks up for it - they need to be give a couple of games as subs if possible.
The only way to see if theyre good enough at this level - is to see if theyre good enough. The only way to do that is get them playing.
It'll be the boot up the backside some of the 1st team squad need and it'll be an incentive to the U23 to get ready for game time. This season is a right off, the pre season starts this saturday

There has been plenty of doom and gloom with us lately.

6 game losing streak,
replaced our 2nd manager in 2 seasons,
Less than inspiring transfer window
Nearly a whole year without attending a game.

But on a positive note let's take a look at the draw against Millwall.

4 products of our academy in the matchday squad
4 Welsh internationals in our matchday squad
Starting to play a lot better.

Joniesta signed on Sunday and a lot of the U23s looked good in their game against Ipswich.



It's gonna take time, but as long as we continue this way we'll be back on track soon with plenty of home grown players and a heavy Welsh influence back in the team.

Stay Positive and be a Supporter.

Great post

You call Cardiff red going to the premier finishing bottom Cardiff city going to the premier finishing bottom successful?.also losing two cup finals and the play offs?. I call it good try but no cigar.as much as it crush's me genuine success is what the jbs have done 7 seasons. In the premier league and a trophy in the cabinet

all success in sport is relative... otherwise hundreds of millions of people who participate , organise and watch just would not bother... 2 cup finals for a club that had not reached one in over 70 years is a success... as are to promtions to the top tier when youve not been there for 50 odd years..

Bloody hell mate, either your ill or someone's nicked your account's password. Not used to you agreeing with me

Suppose by our standards losing three Wembley finals and two disastrous seasons in the premier league is seen as success.

What he forgets to tell you two relegations and a higher debt and worse in the league than 11yrs ago.


But the main thing is, all the success in the world means nothing if you don’t have your proper identity and being stripped of it for 4 yrs and made a mockery of , divided, no pride etc even the badge today had some weird worn on it.

That despicable rebrand killed our identity.

Our debt is higher because Tan has invested, something that people constantly cry out for on here. 23 of our 25 most expensive signings have come since 2010, several times we've broken our transfer record.
It's a lose/lose situation for the club. People complain if we go for cheap managers and players or people complain about the debt. As for being worse in the league the season isn't even over yet, this is a "steady the ship" season after a poor start. It doesn't mean we're now on a downward path of failure. 16/17 was also a worse league position than before Tan but in 17/18 we were automatically promoted.

If we exclude all the seasons with the rebrand then in 7 seasons of being Blue it's;
-1 cup final
-1 promotion
-3 finishes in the play offs
-1 relegation
-As well as 6 of our 10 most expensive signings
-Our highest average attendance since 1954

We are not historically a top flight team like Aston Villa or Newcastle or even Fulham, we've spent more seasons in the bottom division than we have in the top division. So yes, I do still consider our first season in the top flight for 57 years and only our 4th ever final appearance in 121 years.
As skidemin says, success in sport is relative. Torquay or Stockport would consider reaching the 3rd round of the FA Cup a success whereas Man City would probably consider only winning the League Cup an unsuccessful season.

Tan said 11 yrs ago he would leave our club in a better way than we were then.

Tan bought 51% of our club for £4mill and we were already at Wembley v Blackpool play-off Final to go to the Prem, he gambled as it would of in them days be worth £90mill. Everyone thought we would win, odds on. Tan had never seen a football match before and for him he was gambling peanuts.

Our debts were about £58mill thanks to the Riddler, they had risen massively.

Then suddenly they rose to £170mill with in years, badly run by Tan & his CEO's.

Tan says he put £205mill in to our club.

Club has through promotions etc received well over £400mill.

Tan has had about 70% of his money back,would of had it all back by now, but due to so many court cases and costs etc still owed money and the massive loss on his rebrand etc.


DJ,RIDDLER,LANGSTON,MALKY,OLE,SALA,ISSACCS & A NEW CONTRACT WITH SIGNED WITH LANGSTON etc etc THESE COURT CASES HAVE COST OUR CLUB AT LEAST £70 MILL PLUS.

You call Cardiff red going to the premier finishing bottom Cardiff city going to the premier finishing bottom successful?.also losing two cup finals and the play offs?. I call it good try but no cigar.as much as it crush's me genuine success is what the jbs have done 7 seasons. In the premier league and a trophy in the cabinet

all success in sport is relative... otherwise hundreds of millions of people who participate , organise and watch just would not bother... 2 cup finals for a club that had not reached one in over 70 years is a success... as are to promtions to the top tier when youve not been there for 50 odd years..

Bloody hell mate, either your ill or someone's nicked your account's password. Not used to you agreeing with me

Suppose by our standards losing three Wembley finals and two disastrous seasons in the premier league is seen as success.

yes mate.... it could always be better but what other championship clubs have played in 2 wembley finals ?

there have been many years where i was glued for the 2nd round draw of the FA cup in hope we could draw some rags to beat and at least be in the 3rd round draw with the top teams. so its defo success compared to whats previously happened here during my time....having said that i do believe this club could be more....

You call Cardiff red going to the premier finishing bottom Cardiff city going to the premier finishing bottom successful?.also losing two cup finals and the play offs?. I call it good try but no cigar.as much as it crush's me genuine success is what the jbs have done 7 seasons. In the premier league and a trophy in the cabinet

all success in sport is relative... otherwise hundreds of millions of people who participate , organise and watch just would not bother... 2 cup finals for a club that had not reached one in over 70 years is a success... as are to promtions to the top tier when youve not been there for 50 odd years..

Bloody hell mate, either your ill or someone's nicked your account's password. Not used to you agreeing with me

Suppose by our standards losing three Wembley finals and two disastrous seasons in the premier league is seen as success.

What he forgets to tell you two relegations and a higher debt and worse in the league than 11yrs ago.


But the main thing is, all the success in the world means nothing if you don’t have your proper identity and being stripped of it for 4 yrs and made a mockery of , divided, no pride etc even the badge today had some weird worn on it.

That despicable rebrand killed our identity.

Our debt is higher because Tan has invested, something that people constantly cry out for on here. 23 of our 25 most expensive signings have come since 2010, several times we've broken our transfer record.
It's a lose/lose situation for the club. People complain if we go for cheap managers and players or people complain about the debt. As for being worse in the league the season isn't even over yet, this is a "steady the ship" season after a poor start. It doesn't mean we're now on a downward path of failure. 16/17 was also a worse league position than before Tan but in 17/18 we were automatically promoted.

If we exclude all the seasons with the rebrand then in 7 seasons of being Blue it's;
-1 cup final
-1 promotion
-3 finishes in the play offs
-1 relegation
-As well as 6 of our 10 most expensive signings
-Our highest average attendance since 1954

We are not historically a top flight team like Aston Villa or Newcastle or even Fulham, we've spent more seasons in the bottom division than we have in the top division. So yes, I do still consider our first season in the top flight for 57 years and only our 4th ever final appearance in 121 years.
As skidemin says, success in sport is relative. Torquay or Stockport would consider reaching the 3rd round of the FA Cup a success whereas Man City would probably consider only winning the League Cup an unsuccessful season.

i do think its relative...but i dont think the investment has been enough either... and your achievements list swears that up tbh.... we had all that TV money flowing in year on year { parachute payments } and the fees only look big TO US...
that latest prem season how much did Huddersfield spend on Kongolo... brighton on jahanbakhsh and bissouma.//Fulham spend on Seri, Mitrovic and mawson....not to mention sir eddie { works on a shoestring } spunking 80 mill on 5 players....
our fans love the word waste....normally for players who cost a fraction of those above... i assumed we would take the free hit and invest on relegation ti be stronger .... we did not...

You call Cardiff red going to the premier finishing bottom Cardiff city going to the premier finishing bottom successful?.also losing two cup finals and the play offs?. I call it good try but no cigar.as much as it crush's me genuine success is what the jbs have done 7 seasons. In the premier league and a trophy in the cabinet

all success in sport is relative... otherwise hundreds of millions of people who participate , organise and watch just would not bother... 2 cup finals for a club that had not reached one in over 70 years is a success... as are to promtions to the top tier when youve not been there for 50 odd years..

Bloody hell mate, either your ill or someone's nicked your account's password. Not used to you agreeing with me

Suppose by our standards losing three Wembley finals and two disastrous seasons in the premier league is seen as success.

yes mate.... it could always be better but what other championship clubs have played in 2 wembley finals ?

there have been many years where i was glued for the 2nd round draw of the FA cup in hope we could draw some rags to beat and at least be in the 3rd round draw with the top teams. so its defo success compared to whats previously happened here during my time....having said that i do believe this club could be more....

Great post skidemin.

Not read the post but I agree