Things can always be worse...

Things can always be worse..


Southampton lost 9-0 at Manchester United tonight, and had two players sent off.


It's the second time they've lost 9-0 in the space of 16 months, having lost by the same scoreline to Leicester City in October 2019.

Things can always be worse..


Southampton lost 9-0 at Manchester United tonight, and had two players sent off.


It's the second time they've lost 9-0 in the space of 16 months, having lost by the same scoreline to Leicester City in October 2019.

Did you see the 2and sending off? Var again micro managing incidents? Now it appears that players have stopped diving but instead fall over if get touched knowing that var will use super slow motion to show contact and give penalties its becoming prolific with around twice as many penalties as last season at this stage and majority are for minor coming together or players deliberately putting foot before defender so getting decision by var... same thing happened to arsenals Louis tonight.... at least southampton manager wont be sacked!

Things can always be worse..


Southampton lost 9-0 at Manchester United tonight, and had two players sent off.


It's the second time they've lost 9-0 in the space of 16 months, having lost by the same scoreline to Leicester City in October 2019.

Did you see the 2and sending off? Var again micro managing incidents? Now it appears that players have stopped diving but instead fall over if get touched knowing that var will use super slow motion to show contact and give penalties its becoming prolific with around twice as many penalties as last season at this stage and majority are for minor coming together or players deliberately putting foot before defender so getting decision by var... same thing happened to arsenals Louis tonight.... at least southampton manager wont be sacked!

In the end they had no choice but to send him off. Once the decision was made to give the penalty by Mike Dean, the referee on VAR couldn't overturn it because it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake. Also, because he was the last man and don't get near the ball it meant that he also had to send off Bednarek.

Same thing in the Arsenal game.

Things can always be worse..


Southampton lost 9-0 at Manchester United tonight, and had two players sent off.


It's the second time they've lost 9-0 in the space of 16 months, having lost by the same scoreline to Leicester City in October 2019.

Did you see the 2and sending off? Var again micro managing incidents? Now it appears that players have stopped diving but instead fall over if get touched knowing that var will use super slow motion to show contact and give penalties its becoming prolific with around twice as many penalties as last season at this stage and majority are for minor coming together or players deliberately putting foot before defender so getting decision by var... same thing happened to arsenals Louis tonight.... at least southampton manager wont be sacked!

In the end they had no choice but to send him off. Once the decision was made to give the penalty by Mike Dean, the referee on VAR couldn't overturn it because it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake. Also, because he was the last man and don't get near the ball it meant that he also had to send off Bednarek.

Same thing in the Arsenal game.

Yes once decision made it is extremely rare to change decision it's gone from always changing decision to rarely doing so! But the original decisions last night were debatable as I've pointed out what is happening now since var as come in and pundits are picking this up as well now.... only clear decision was Southampton red card?

Things can always be worse..


Southampton lost 9-0 at Manchester United tonight, and had two players sent off.


It's the second time they've lost 9-0 in the space of 16 months, having lost by the same scoreline to Leicester City in October 2019.

Did you see the 2and sending off? Var again micro managing incidents? Now it appears that players have stopped diving but instead fall over if get touched knowing that var will use super slow motion to show contact and give penalties its becoming prolific with around twice as many penalties as last season at this stage and majority are for minor coming together or players deliberately putting foot before defender so getting decision by var... same thing happened to arsenals Louis tonight.... at least southampton manager wont be sacked!

In the end they had no choice but to send him off. Once the decision was made to give the penalty by Mike Dean, the referee on VAR couldn't overturn it because it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake. Also, because he was the last man and don't get near the ball it meant that he also had to send off Bednarek.

Same thing in the Arsenal game.

Yes once decision made it is extremely rare to change decision it's gone from always changing decision to rarely doing so! But the original decisions last night were debatable as I've pointed out what is happening now since var as come in and pundits are picking this up as well now.... only clear decision was Southampton red card?

Agree, don't think anyone could argue with Mike Dean's for the first red card.

As I say, the second penalty was always going to be given because it's impossible to if Bednarek made contact with Martial or not. So it's not a clear and obvious mistake. Bednarek was nowhere near the ball though so once Mike Dean looked at the video, he had to send him off.

People are moaning about VAR and offside, with some saying things like "VAR keep on being too strict with offside decisions". But that's not true, it's the offside rule that is the problem. The referees on VAR are just following the letter of the law.

I would argue that between them, Mike Dean and VAR got every decision right last night. The penalty is debatable I'll admit, but I don't think it's a clear and obvious mistake. I think it was the correct decision. Because it's a penalty, the red card for Bednarek is then not debatable due to the fact he was nowhere near the ball.

Can't be any arguments about the red cards and penalty in the Arsenal game, due to the letter of the law.

Things can always be worse..


Southampton lost 9-0 at Manchester United tonight, and had two players sent off.


It's the second time they've lost 9-0 in the space of 16 months, having lost by the same scoreline to Leicester City in October 2019.

Did you see the 2and sending off? Var again micro managing incidents? Now it appears that players have stopped diving but instead fall over if get touched knowing that var will use super slow motion to show contact and give penalties its becoming prolific with around twice as many penalties as last season at this stage and majority are for minor coming together or players deliberately putting foot before defender so getting decision by var... same thing happened to arsenals Louis tonight.... at least southampton manager wont be sacked!

In the end they had no choice but to send him off. Once the decision was made to give the penalty by Mike Dean, the referee on VAR couldn't overturn it because it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake. Also, because he was the last man and don't get near the ball it meant that he also had to send off Bednarek.

Same thing in the Arsenal game.

Yes once decision made it is extremely rare to change decision it's gone from always changing decision to rarely doing so! But the original decisions last night were debatable as I've pointed out what is happening now since var as come in and pundits are picking this up as well now.... only clear decision was Southampton red card?

Agree, don't think anyone could argue with Mike Dean's for the first red card.

As I say, the second penalty was always going to be given because it's impossible to if Bednarek made contact with Martial or not. So it's not a clear and obvious mistake. Bednarek was nowhere near the ball though so once Mike Dean looked at the video, he had to send him off.

People are moaning about VAR and offside, with some saying things like "VAR keep on being too strict with offside decisions". But that's not true, it's the offside rule that is the problem. The referees on VAR are just following the letter of the law.

I would argue that between them, Mike Dean and VAR got every decision right last night. The penalty is debatable I'll admit, but I don't think it's a clear and obvious mistake. I think it was the correct decision. Because it's a penalty, the red card for Bednarek is then not debatable due to the fact he was nowhere near the ball.

Can't be any arguments about the red cards and penalty in the Arsenal game, due to the letter of the law.

Ned your right once decision given wasn't going to be changed! And even though decision maybe wrong it doesn't mean it's an obvious error according to the guidelines for var... what I'm saying though is that the way things are going contact in box is going to be impossible due to manipulation of players instigating contact resulting in penalties 99.9% of times ? Nearly all of these kind of incidents have attacking players moving away from goal or defender
Having possession of ball at time a very odd fact....Only exception is rugby tackling from free kicks and corners that seems to be invisible to var and refs...... waiting for var in championship.!

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

VAR needs to be flushed...its been in the pan from day 1....

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

VAR needs to be flushed...its been in the pan from day 1....

It's not going anywhere.

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

VAR needs to be flushed...its been in the pan from day 1....

It's not going anywhere.

im afraid your probably correct... its like a real life version of the emperors new clothes...where bloody minded people pretend something works when it doesnt and is technology when its actually men in a caravan .. as for offside how can anyone judge when there are so many moving parts gaps between frames and nothing to detect the ...exact time the ball left the foot...... impossible...cave men gave up on square wheels but here we are in the 21st century not able to figure out that its clear and obvious it dont work...

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

VAR needs to be flushed...its been in the pan from day 1....

It's not going anywhere.

im afraid your probably correct... its like a real life version of the emperors new clothes...where bloody minded people pretend something works when it doesnt and is technology when its actually men in a caravan .. as for offside how can anyone judge when there are so many moving parts gaps between frames and nothing to detect the ...exact time the ball left the foot...... impossible...cave men gave up on square wheels but here we are in the 21st century not able to figure out that its clear and obvious it dont work...

Good way of putting it to be fair.

I think people just need to accept that VAR is staying. I can't see any circumstances in that they'll get rid of it now.

Wouldn't shock me if they brought it into the Championship in the future.

The Euros will interesting with referees from other countries that give out red cards a lot more harshly than in this country, combined with them looking at videos of incidents - could be a red card and a penalty in a lot of games.

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

Begs the question how did var get i t wrong with slow motion in play as it was var that told ref to change his mind after he only gave a pen which was not pen if not red card? ITS here to stay no doubt but they've got to sort out the way officials see things after all they are referees mostly... blind maybe but referees all the same

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

Begs the question how did var get i t wrong with slow motion in play as it was var that told ref to change his mind after he only gave a pen which was not pen if not red card? ITS here to stay no doubt but they've got to sort out the way officials see things after all they are referees mostly... blind maybe but referees all the same

Some say that the referee on VAR is sometimes scared to tell an experienced referee, like Mike Dean, that they think they made the wrong decision - if the referee on VAR thought it shouldn't have been a penalty but didn't tell Mike Dean that.


Like I said before, once a penalty was given it had to be a red card. My thoughts at the time were that it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake.

Obviously they disagree now that they've rescinded the suspension.

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

VAR needs to be flushed...its been in the pan from day 1....

It's not going anywhere.

im afraid your probably correct... its like a real life version of the emperors new clothes...where bloody minded people pretend something works when it doesnt and is technology when its actually men in a caravan .. as for offside how can anyone judge when there are so many moving parts gaps between frames and nothing to detect the ...exact time the ball left the foot...... impossible...cave men gave up on square wheels but here we are in the 21st century not able to figure out that its clear and obvious it dont work...

Good way of putting it to be fair.

I think people just need to accept that VAR is staying. I can't see any circumstances in that they'll get rid of it now.

Wouldn't shock me if they brought it into the Championship in the future.

The Euros will interesting with referees from other countries that give out red cards a lot more harshly than in this country, combined with them looking at videos of incidents - could be a red card and a penalty in a lot of games.

it dtracts from the game mate and with people watching more football { i assume people are ? } ...and more sketchy VAR decisions... it really might put people off..we havent experienced it yet but some of whats happening would be soul destroying ..its one thing ..thinking a ref had a decision wrong another alltogether when you get home and see the slowmos that prove they actually called something in your favour that got wrongly overturned...becomes all a bit pointless...

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

VAR needs to be flushed...its been in the pan from day 1....

It's not going anywhere.

im afraid your probably correct... its like a real life version of the emperors new clothes...where bloody minded people pretend something works when it doesnt and is technology when its actually men in a caravan .. as for offside how can anyone judge when there are so many moving parts gaps between frames and nothing to detect the ...exact time the ball left the foot...... impossible...cave men gave up on square wheels but here we are in the 21st century not able to figure out that its clear and obvious it dont work...

Good way of putting it to be fair.

I think people just need to accept that VAR is staying. I can't see any circumstances in that they'll get rid of it now.

Wouldn't shock me if they brought it into the Championship in the future.

The Euros will interesting with referees from other countries that give out red cards a lot more harshly than in this country, combined with them looking at videos of incidents - could be a red card and a penalty in a lot of games.

it dtracts from the game mate and with people watching more football { i assume people are ? } ...and more sketchy VAR decisions... it really might put people off..we havent experienced it yet but some of whats happening would be soul destroying ..its one thing ..thinking a ref had a decision wrong another alltogether when you get home and see the slowmos that prove they actually called something in your favour that got wrongly overturned...becomes all a bit pointless...

Agree with all of that.

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

Begs the question how did var get i t wrong with slow motion in play as it was var that told ref to change his mind after he only gave a pen which was not pen if not red card? ITS here to stay no doubt but they've got to sort out the way officials see things after all they are referees mostly... blind maybe but referees all the same

Some say that the referee on VAR is sometimes scared to tell an experienced referee, like Mike Dean, that they think they made the wrong decision - if the referee on VAR thought it shouldn't have been a penalty but didn't tell Mike Dean that.


Like I said before, once a penalty was given it had to be a red card. My thoughts at the time were that it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake.

Obviously they disagree now that they've rescinded the suspension.

But dean said no red card just a pen var told him he made an error and go take look at it on monitor! why didn't dean say no I saw it and it's only a pen? By oveturning red card var made clear and obvious mistake? its suppose to be other way around!! Trouble is the refs are not standing upto var if a ref is 5 yards or closer to an incident and var says you've made a mistake and that is a common thing what does it say about the standard of refereeing Or are var interfering to much? Like said if wasnt a red card was it a penalty .....var a total mess past couple days need a rethink of how its implemented..

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

Begs the question how did var get i t wrong with slow motion in play as it was var that told ref to change his mind after he only gave a pen which was not pen if not red card? ITS here to stay no doubt but they've got to sort out the way officials see things after all they are referees mostly... blind maybe but referees all the same

Some say that the referee on VAR is sometimes scared to tell an experienced referee, like Mike Dean, that they think they made the wrong decision - if the referee on VAR thought it shouldn't have been a penalty but didn't tell Mike Dean that.


Like I said before, once a penalty was given it had to be a red card. My thoughts at the time were that it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake.

Obviously they disagree now that they've rescinded the suspension.

But dean said no red card just a pen var told him he made an error and go take look at it on monitor! why didn't dean say no I saw it and it's only a pen? By oveturning red card var made clear and obvious mistake? its suppose to be other way around!! Trouble is the refs are not standing upto var if a ref is 5 yards or closer to an incident and var says you've made a mistake and that is a common thing what does it say about the standard of refereeing Or are var interfering to much? Like said if wasnt a red card was it a penalty .....var a total mess past couple days need a rethink of how its implemented..

What I think is VAR agreed with him it was a penalty but he might want to give a red card as well?

My thoughts are if it's a penalty then it has to be a red card because he didn't get near the ball.

So if they've rescinded it then they must think it shouldn't have been a penalty.


Interesting that this one has been rescinded but the appeal for the David Luiz red card has been rejected.

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

Begs the question how did var get i t wrong with slow motion in play as it was var that told ref to change his mind after he only gave a pen which was not pen if not red card? ITS here to stay no doubt but they've got to sort out the way officials see things after all they are referees mostly... blind maybe but referees all the same

Some say that the referee on VAR is sometimes scared to tell an experienced referee, like Mike Dean, that they think they made the wrong decision - if the referee on VAR thought it shouldn't have been a penalty but didn't tell Mike Dean that.


Like I said before, once a penalty was given it had to be a red card. My thoughts at the time were that it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake.

Obviously they disagree now that they've rescinded the suspension.

But dean said no red card just a pen var told him he made an error and go take look at it on monitor! why didn't dean say no I saw it and it's only a pen? By oveturning red card var made clear and obvious mistake? its suppose to be other way around!! Trouble is the refs are not standing upto var if a ref is 5 yards or closer to an incident and var says you've made a mistake and that is a common thing what does it say about the standard of refereeing Or are var interfering to much? Like said if wasnt a red card was it a penalty .....var a total mess past couple days need a rethink of how its implemented..

What I think is VAR agreed with him it was a penalty but he might want to give a red card as well?

My thoughts are if it's a penalty then it has to be a red card because he didn't get near the ball.

So if they've rescinded it then they must think it shouldn't have been a penalty.


Interesting that this one has been rescinded but the appeal for the David Luiz red card has been rejected.

That is the basic point martial even he said no foul .... but your right how can one be red card and other rescinded yet both appear to be sent off for not playing the ball just the player? All can say is the standard of officials in var is poor at best and refs in field need to. Make own decisions more and not rely on var to make them... one thing that find hard to understand var is for red cards penalty mistaken identity and offside
that was criteria established so why did var disallow a goal for foul in midfield? That's not part of var protocol!! roll on var in championship

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

Begs the question how did var get i t wrong with slow motion in play as it was var that told ref to change his mind after he only gave a pen which was not pen if not red card? ITS here to stay no doubt but they've got to sort out the way officials see things after all they are referees mostly... blind maybe but referees all the same

Some say that the referee on VAR is sometimes scared to tell an experienced referee, like Mike Dean, that they think they made the wrong decision - if the referee on VAR thought it shouldn't have been a penalty but didn't tell Mike Dean that.


Like I said before, once a penalty was given it had to be a red card. My thoughts at the time were that it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake.

Obviously they disagree now that they've rescinded the suspension.

But dean said no red card just a pen var told him he made an error and go take look at it on monitor! why didn't dean say no I saw it and it's only a pen? By oveturning red card var made clear and obvious mistake? its suppose to be other way around!! Trouble is the refs are not standing upto var if a ref is 5 yards or closer to an incident and var says you've made a mistake and that is a common thing what does it say about the standard of refereeing Or are var interfering to much? Like said if wasnt a red card was it a penalty .....var a total mess past couple days need a rethink of how its implemented..

What I think is VAR agreed with him it was a penalty but he might want to give a red card as well?

My thoughts are if it's a penalty then it has to be a red card because he didn't get near the ball.

So if they've rescinded it then they must think it shouldn't have been a penalty.


Interesting that this one has been rescinded but the appeal for the David Luiz red card has been rejected.

That is the basic point martial even he said no foul .... but your right how can one be red card and other rescinded yet both appear to be sent off for not playing the ball just the player? All can say is the standard of officials in var is poor at best and refs in field need to. Make own decisions more and not rely on var to make them... one thing that find hard to understand var is for red cards penalty mistaken identity and offside
that was criteria established so why did var disallow a goal for foul in midfield? That's not part of var protocol!! roll on var in championship

I don't think the standard of refereeing is dropping, but I think some of them are getting too old and therefore making more mistakes. I'm general the standard is about the same it has been.

They need some new ones to come through but the problem is the referees in the EFL are even worse.

Peter Bankes and Darren England have recently been promoted to the Premier League, and they look completely out of their depth.

Michael Oliver is the best at the moment, the rest are way behind him.

Mark Clattenburg and Howard Webb set the bar very high in terms of refereeing, and none of them that are there now are anywhere near that level - with the possible exception of Oliver.

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

Begs the question how did var get i t wrong with slow motion in play as it was var that told ref to change his mind after he only gave a pen which was not pen if not red card? ITS here to stay no doubt but they've got to sort out the way officials see things after all they are referees mostly... blind maybe but referees all the same

Some say that the referee on VAR is sometimes scared to tell an experienced referee, like Mike Dean, that they think they made the wrong decision - if the referee on VAR thought it shouldn't have been a penalty but didn't tell Mike Dean that.


Like I said before, once a penalty was given it had to be a red card. My thoughts at the time were that it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake.

Obviously they disagree now that they've rescinded the suspension.

But dean said no red card just a pen var told him he made an error and go take look at it on monitor! why didn't dean say no I saw it and it's only a pen? By oveturning red card var made clear and obvious mistake? its suppose to be other way around!! Trouble is the refs are not standing upto var if a ref is 5 yards or closer to an incident and var says you've made a mistake and that is a common thing what does it say about the standard of refereeing Or are var interfering to much? Like said if wasnt a red card was it a penalty .....var a total mess past couple days need a rethink of how its implemented..

What I think is VAR agreed with him it was a penalty but he might want to give a red card as well?

My thoughts are if it's a penalty then it has to be a red card because he didn't get near the ball.

So if they've rescinded it then they must think it shouldn't have been a penalty.


Interesting that this one has been rescinded but the appeal for the David Luiz red card has been rejected.

That is the basic point martial even he said no foul .... but your right how can one be red card and other rescinded yet both appear to be sent off for not playing the ball just the player? All can say is the standard of officials in var is poor at best and refs in field need to. Make own decisions more and not rely on var to make them... one thing that find hard to understand var is for red cards penalty mistaken identity and offside
that was criteria established so why did var disallow a goal for foul in midfield? That's not part of var protocol!! roll on var in championship

I don't think the standard of refereeing is dropping, but I think some of them are getting too old and therefore making more mistakes. I'm general the standard is about the same it has been.

They need some new ones to come through but the problem is the referees in the EFL are even worse.

Peter Bankes and Darren England have recently been promoted to the Premier League, and they look completely out of their depth.

Michael Oliver is the best at the moment, the rest are way behind him.

Mark Clattenburg and Howard Webb set the bar very high in terms of refereeing, and none of them that are there now are anywhere near that level - with the possible exception of Oliver.

Basically we've got two lots of old fogeys making decisions on pitch and in var centre? perhaps premier league and efl need to open an academy for referees to learn the rules and how to use var correctly?

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

Begs the question how did var get i t wrong with slow motion in play as it was var that told ref to change his mind after he only gave a pen which was not pen if not red card? ITS here to stay no doubt but they've got to sort out the way officials see things after all they are referees mostly... blind maybe but referees all the same

Some say that the referee on VAR is sometimes scared to tell an experienced referee, like Mike Dean, that they think they made the wrong decision - if the referee on VAR thought it shouldn't have been a penalty but didn't tell Mike Dean that.


Like I said before, once a penalty was given it had to be a red card. My thoughts at the time were that it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake.

Obviously they disagree now that they've rescinded the suspension.

But dean said no red card just a pen var told him he made an error and go take look at it on monitor! why didn't dean say no I saw it and it's only a pen? By oveturning red card var made clear and obvious mistake? its suppose to be other way around!! Trouble is the refs are not standing upto var if a ref is 5 yards or closer to an incident and var says you've made a mistake and that is a common thing what does it say about the standard of refereeing Or are var interfering to much? Like said if wasnt a red card was it a penalty .....var a total mess past couple days need a rethink of how its implemented..

What I think is VAR agreed with him it was a penalty but he might want to give a red card as well?

My thoughts are if it's a penalty then it has to be a red card because he didn't get near the ball.

So if they've rescinded it then they must think it shouldn't have been a penalty.


Interesting that this one has been rescinded but the appeal for the David Luiz red card has been rejected.

That is the basic point martial even he said no foul .... but your right how can one be red card and other rescinded yet both appear to be sent off for not playing the ball just the player? All can say is the standard of officials in var is poor at best and refs in field need to. Make own decisions more and not rely on var to make them... one thing that find hard to understand var is for red cards penalty mistaken identity and offside
that was criteria established so why did var disallow a goal for foul in midfield? That's not part of var protocol!! roll on var in championship

I don't think the standard of refereeing is dropping, but I think some of them are getting too old and therefore making more mistakes. I'm general the standard is about the same it has been.

They need some new ones to come through but the problem is the referees in the EFL are even worse.

Peter Bankes and Darren England have recently been promoted to the Premier League, and they look completely out of their depth.

Michael Oliver is the best at the moment, the rest are way behind him.

Mark Clattenburg and Howard Webb set the bar very high in terms of refereeing, and none of them that are there now are anywhere near that level - with the possible exception of Oliver.

Basically we've got two lots of old fogeys making decisions on pitch and in var centre? perhaps premier league and efl need to open an academy for referees to learn the rules and how to use var correctly?

They do need to train referees better clearly. Those in the EFL aren't good enough to be promoted.

Been a strange season this year in the Premier League - Something like 8 or 9 teams have been Top at some time

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

VAR needs to be flushed...its been in the pan from day 1....

It's not going anywhere.

im afraid your probably correct... its like a real life version of the emperors new clothes...where bloody minded people pretend something works when it doesnt and is technology when its actually men in a caravan .. as for offside how can anyone judge when there are so many moving parts gaps between frames and nothing to detect the ...exact time the ball left the foot...... impossible...cave men gave up on square wheels but here we are in the 21st century not able to figure out that its clear and obvious it dont work...

Good way of putting it to be fair.

I think people just need to accept that VAR is staying. I can't see any circumstances in that they'll get rid of it now.

Wouldn't shock me if they brought it into the Championship in the future.

The Euros will interesting with referees from other countries that give out red cards a lot more harshly than in this country, combined with them looking at videos of incidents - could be a red card and a penalty in a lot of games.

have a mate who is a Spurs ST holder, been all over Europe watching them , he and the 2 mates he goes up there with had already decided not to renew for this season before covid hit due to VAR... it annoys me, i cant imagine how bad it is if its your team... wait to celebrate and then watch the oppo fans celebrate a non goal only to find out VAR got it wrong... im dreading it ..

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

VAR needs to be flushed...its been in the pan from day 1....

It's not going anywhere.

im afraid your probably correct... its like a real life version of the emperors new clothes...where bloody minded people pretend something works when it doesnt and is technology when its actually men in a caravan .. as for offside how can anyone judge when there are so many moving parts gaps between frames and nothing to detect the ...exact time the ball left the foot...... impossible...cave men gave up on square wheels but here we are in the 21st century not able to figure out that its clear and obvious it dont work...

Good way of putting it to be fair.

I think people just need to accept that VAR is staying. I can't see any circumstances in that they'll get rid of it now.

Wouldn't shock me if they brought it into the Championship in the future.

The Euros will interesting with referees from other countries that give out red cards a lot more harshly than in this country, combined with them looking at videos of incidents - could be a red card and a penalty in a lot of games.

have a mate who is a Spurs ST holder, been all over Europe watching them , he and the 2 mates he goes up there with had already decided not to renew for this season before covid hit due to VAR... it annoys me, i cant imagine how bad it is if its your team... wait to celebrate and then watch the oppo fans celebrate a non goal only to find out VAR got it wrong... im dreading it ..

I can imagine that's how fans who have to put up with it feel, it's quite sad that they're made to feel like it though.

Which sort of makes it worse that the authorities are unlikely to get rid of it.

I would say if fans voted with their feet in large numbers by not going to games due to it (after covid obviously), then it might make a difference. But the truth is at the top tier, there are always other fans who will take their place.

Glad we don't have to put up with VAR, like you say it must incredibly frustrating to celebrate your team scoring and then having it taken away. But I think it's inevitable the EFL will bring it in for the Championship at some point.

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

Begs the question how did var get i t wrong with slow motion in play as it was var that told ref to change his mind after he only gave a pen which was not pen if not red card? ITS here to stay no doubt but they've got to sort out the way officials see things after all they are referees mostly... blind maybe but referees all the same

Some say that the referee on VAR is sometimes scared to tell an experienced referee, like Mike Dean, that they think they made the wrong decision - if the referee on VAR thought it shouldn't have been a penalty but didn't tell Mike Dean that.


Like I said before, once a penalty was given it had to be a red card. My thoughts at the time were that it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake.

Obviously they disagree now that they've rescinded the suspension.

But dean said no red card just a pen var told him he made an error and go take look at it on monitor! why didn't dean say no I saw it and it's only a pen? By oveturning red card var made clear and obvious mistake? its suppose to be other way around!! Trouble is the refs are not standing upto var if a ref is 5 yards or closer to an incident and var says you've made a mistake and that is a common thing what does it say about the standard of refereeing Or are var interfering to much? Like said if wasnt a red card was it a penalty .....var a total mess past couple days need a rethink of how its implemented..

What I think is VAR agreed with him it was a penalty but he might want to give a red card as well?

My thoughts are if it's a penalty then it has to be a red card because he didn't get near the ball.

So if they've rescinded it then they must think it shouldn't have been a penalty.


Interesting that this one has been rescinded but the appeal for the David Luiz red card has been rejected.

That is the basic point martial even he said no foul .... but your right how can one be red card and other rescinded yet both appear to be sent off for not playing the ball just the player? All can say is the standard of officials in var is poor at best and refs in field need to. Make own decisions more and not rely on var to make them... one thing that find hard to understand var is for red cards penalty mistaken identity and offside
that was criteria established so why did var disallow a goal for foul in midfield? That's not part of var protocol!! roll on var in championship

I don't think the standard of refereeing is dropping, but I think some of them are getting too old and therefore making more mistakes. I'm general the standard is about the same it has been.

They need some new ones to come through but the problem is the referees in the EFL are even worse.

Peter Bankes and Darren England have recently been promoted to the Premier League, and they look completely out of their depth.

Michael Oliver is the best at the moment, the rest are way behind him.

Mark Clattenburg and Howard Webb set the bar very high in terms of refereeing, and none of them that are there now are anywhere near that level - with the possible exception of Oliver.

Basically we've got two lots of old fogeys making decisions on pitch and in var centre? perhaps premier league and efl need to open an academy for referees to learn the rules and how to use var correctly?

Got to say Oliver is not the best ref out there, the best ref I have seen who gets 99% of decsions correct is Chris Kavanagh,, cannot say the same for Oliver

I was at the Leicester game they last lost nine nil. They came back well from that.

They have a good team but not a big squad. When they have injuries it does cost them.

I have a feeling that West Ham will be the next club asking for Mike Dean and Lee Mason not to officiate their games...


Terrible decision to send off Tomas Soucek tonight.

Mike Dean was referee and the VAR was Lee Mason.

Ref mike Dean apparently only awarded penalty it was var who told him to take a look in slow motion hence change of mind what changed god only knows and martial said it wasn't a foul? The Louis sending off no one sure there was any contact which means var used very slow motion to try see contact which means it wasn't an obvious mistake was it? By coincidence dean was var man who said wasnt handball when player clearly put hand out to stop ball going in net dean used the rule it marginally touched the thigh before hitting hand to say no! Southampton dont want him officiating in games for them for the near future can't say blame them...

Jan Bednarek has had his suspension removed after an appeal.

Think that's the first time they've overturned a suspension that VAR has been involved in?

Begs the question how did var get i t wrong with slow motion in play as it was var that told ref to change his mind after he only gave a pen which was not pen if not red card? ITS here to stay no doubt but they've got to sort out the way officials see things after all they are referees mostly... blind maybe but referees all the same

Some say that the referee on VAR is sometimes scared to tell an experienced referee, like Mike Dean, that they think they made the wrong decision - if the referee on VAR thought it shouldn't have been a penalty but didn't tell Mike Dean that.


Like I said before, once a penalty was given it had to be a red card. My thoughts at the time were that it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake.

Obviously they disagree now that they've rescinded the suspension.

But dean said no red card just a pen var told him he made an error and go take look at it on monitor! why didn't dean say no I saw it and it's only a pen? By oveturning red card var made clear and obvious mistake? its suppose to be other way around!! Trouble is the refs are not standing upto var if a ref is 5 yards or closer to an incident and var says you've made a mistake and that is a common thing what does it say about the standard of refereeing Or are var interfering to much? Like said if wasnt a red card was it a penalty .....var a total mess past couple days need a rethink of how its implemented..

What I think is VAR agreed with him it was a penalty but he might want to give a red card as well?

My thoughts are if it's a penalty then it has to be a red card because he didn't get near the ball.

So if they've rescinded it then they must think it shouldn't have been a penalty.


Interesting that this one has been rescinded but the appeal for the David Luiz red card has been rejected.

That is the basic point martial even he said no foul .... but your right how can one be red card and other rescinded yet both appear to be sent off for not playing the ball just the player? All can say is the standard of officials in var is poor at best and refs in field need to. Make own decisions more and not rely on var to make them... one thing that find hard to understand var is for red cards penalty mistaken identity and offside
that was criteria established so why did var disallow a goal for foul in midfield? That's not part of var protocol!! roll on var in championship

I don't think the standard of refereeing is dropping, but I think some of them are getting too old and therefore making more mistakes. I'm general the standard is about the same it has been.

They need some new ones to come through but the problem is the referees in the EFL are even worse.

Peter Bankes and Darren England have recently been promoted to the Premier League, and they look completely out of their depth.

Michael Oliver is the best at the moment, the rest are way behind him.

Mark Clattenburg and Howard Webb set the bar very high in terms of refereeing, and none of them that are there now are anywhere near that level - with the possible exception of Oliver.

Basically we've got two lots of old fogeys making decisions on pitch and in var centre? perhaps premier league and efl need to open an academy for referees to learn the rules and how to use var correctly?

Got to say Oliver is not the best ref out there, the best ref I have seen who gets 99% of decsions correct is Chris Kavanagh,, cannot say the same for Oliver

Ffs its getting ridiculous now the standard of refereeing and var! Tonight two players tussle at free kick player goes to lift his arm over player holding him brushed his elbow on face mitrovic goes down in agony.. var "mason" tells mike dean "ref" to take look takes a look and 2 mins later gives red card apparently they conclude player had clenched fist so was deliberate "var view" only trouble it was not clenched.... plus everyone agrees he was only lifting arm over mitrovic to get away! No doubt be overturned.... if so serious problems with var officials and referees that need to be addressed as bringing game into disrepute with making wrong decisions "both ref and var" coupled with overturned red card midweek problem getting worse not better.

Too right things could be worse...Harris could still be here.