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‘ Going forward ‘

Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:18 pm

Mick McCarthy has to play a front three of Keiffer Moore, Josh Murphy and Harry Wilson

They are by far our best attacking players and we look so much more dangerous with them on the pitch.

We need a back up striker because Glatzel is awful with very little chance of scoring and causes us to lose shape and the ball . Watters is not going to be good enough at this level yet

The 343 formation we finished the game with looked very promising.

Leandra Bacuna, Robert Glatzel, Curtis Nelson and Shei Ojo need to be moved on as they are just holding the team back.

Lowering the number of lower league players in the team is a must.

Perry Ng looks a decent player but he hasn't really been tested yet in either game by a proper winger; time will tell with him.

Replace Nelson with a decent centre back alongside Aden Flint and Sean Morrison and we have a solid looking defence

The future could look quite bright with very little change

Re: Going forward

Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:24 pm

How did you think Murphy did today mate?
I thought he was awful.
Wilson and Ojo on the wings for me.

Re: Going forward

Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:27 pm

Going forward Mick had to stop the rot and end the defeats,he has stopped that with two draws,now we need to install some confidence in the players,the championship has been awful in terms of quality this year,what’s gone on this season so far,asking for play offs,seem a million miles off,but everything is possible,but I’d just be happy to avoid going down,avoid making any pointless signings,until pre season until we know what manager we have in place

Re: Going forward

Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:27 pm

I believe Wilsons best position is where Bacuna started. He is a CM for me, a very attacking one.

Murphy Moore xxxx

Wilson

Ralls Bacuna

Bennett Morrison xxxx NG

Hopefully Brown is mobile enough to play with Morrison and Watters is a player.

Re: Going forward

Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:29 pm

...with Tomlin to come in between them, just behind Moore.
In theory, Murphy should take the wing spot for now and Ojo play 10 but for whatever reason, JM isn’t up to it atm.

Re: Going forward

Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:45 pm

To be honest I'd like to get rid of Morrison, Flint and Nelson, they are all poor. What the f**k was Nelson squabbling with Zohore. Every game he has a shoving match with an opponent. It gives the referee a chance to to show a card or at least keep an eye on him

Re: Going forward

Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:57 pm

Still calling for Murphy unbelievable that shot he had today just landed in Canton. When he comes and has an impact like Willson did then maybe I could understand but again offered nothing.

Re: Going forward

Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:58 pm

Llantwit Blue wrote:Still calling for Murphy unbelievable that shot he had today just landed in Canton. When he comes and has an impact like Willson did then maybe I could understand but again offered nothing.

Thank goodness. I thought it was just me who wasn’t seeing anything in him.

Re: Going forward

Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:20 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Llantwit Blue wrote:Still calling for Murphy unbelievable that shot he had today just landed in Canton. When he comes and has an impact like Willson did then maybe I could understand but again offered nothing.

Thank goodness. I thought it was just me who wasn’t seeing anything in him.


A off form Murphy is still better than a on form Ojo or Hoilett.

Murphy offers a lot in his running off the ball and when he finds form he is one of the best wingers in the league. He needs to get his confidence back and when he does we will be very dangerous going forward . He won't do that sat on the bench .

Re: ‘ Going forward ‘

Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:25 pm

For me a 3-5-2 or 5-2-3 is the way forward.

Smithies

NG Morrison Nelson Brown Bennett

Ralls Bacuna

Ojo Wilson

Moore

Re: ‘ Going forward ‘

Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:27 pm

I Again Morrison and Flint at fault for goal..all threeneed replacing.midfield no place or flair..this whole team need tobdismantled by the right man over next thee to for windows...M urphyhas had chances but doesnt seem to like it down south.

Re: Going forward

Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:32 pm

thomasblue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Llantwit Blue wrote:Still calling for Murphy unbelievable that shot he had today just landed in Canton. When he comes and has an impact like Willson did then maybe I could understand but again offered nothing.

Thank goodness. I thought it was just me who wasn’t seeing anything in him.


A off form Murphy is still better than a on form Ojo or Hoilett.

Murphy offers a lot in his running off the ball and when he finds form he is one of the best wingers in the league. He needs to get his confidence back and when he does we will be very dangerous going forward . He won't do that sat on the bench .

So you thought Murphy contribution was more than Ojo today?
I’m always thinking each to his own opinion but I’d give Ojo 6.5 - 7 today and Murphy 4.5

Re: ‘ Going forward ‘

Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:33 pm

GotMeSingingTheBlues wrote:For me a 3-5-2 or 5-2-3 is the way forward.

Smithies

NG Morrison Nelson Brown Bennett

Ralls Bacuna

Ojo Wilson

Moore

This would be my side but Vaulks in for Ralls after today’s performances

Re: ‘ Going forward ‘

Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:35 pm

I’ve no idea how to do it but I’d be interested to see the results of a Murphy v Ojo poll for one position in our team.

Re: Going forward

Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:37 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Llantwit Blue wrote:Still calling for Murphy unbelievable that shot he had today just landed in Canton. When he comes and has an impact like Willson did then maybe I could understand but again offered nothing.

Thank goodness. I thought it was just me who wasn’t seeing anything in him.


A off form Murphy is still better than a on form Ojo or Hoilett.

Murphy offers a lot in his running off the ball and when he finds form he is one of the best wingers in the league. He needs to get his confidence back and when he does we will be very dangerous going forward . He won't do that sat on the bench .

So you thought Murphy contribution was more than Ojo today?
I’m always thinking each to his own opinion but I’d give Ojo 6.5 - 7 today and Murphy 4.5


I thought Ojos contribution was minimal at best . He did absolutely nothing all game.
Murphy is by far the better player we just need to get the confidence into him

Re: ‘ Going forward ‘

Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:41 pm

Going forward.

Ok we have learnt how to come back from going down. Next is to not go behind. After that is to go ahead then finally winning.

Re: Going forward

Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:56 pm

thomasblue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Llantwit Blue wrote:Still calling for Murphy unbelievable that shot he had today just landed in Canton. When he comes and has an impact like Willson did then maybe I could understand but again offered nothing.

Thank goodness. I thought it was just me who wasn’t seeing anything in him.


A off form Murphy is still better than a on form Ojo or Hoilett.

Murphy offers a lot in his running off the ball and when he finds form he is one of the best wingers in the league. He needs to get his confidence back and when he does we will be very dangerous going forward . He won't do that sat on the bench .

So you thought Murphy contribution was more than Ojo today?
I’m always thinking each to his own opinion but I’d give Ojo 6.5 - 7 today and Murphy 4.5


I thought Ojos contribution was minimal at best . He did absolutely nothing all game.
Murphy is by far the better player we just need to get the confidence into him

All opinions mate, we’ll have to just agree to disagree :thumbup:

Re: ‘ Going forward ‘

Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:03 pm

We have played Ojo everywhere now and i still don't know what he is.

In racehorse terms he was a good 2 year old who hasn't trained on.

He is not quick enough to be a winger and he isn't a lazy dribbler like Tomlin. He hasn't got a killer pass/cross nor a deadly shot. He has good close control , I bet he looks great in a half sized training pitch.

Overly coached and not enough playing real games for me.... An modern day academy product who'll be disappointed when he is in L1 next season.

Murphy is an enigma. He has real talent and attributes but i am unsure if he is mentally tough enough to show the potential.

Re: Going forward

Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:07 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:How did you think Murphy did today mate?
I thought he was awful.
Wilson and Ojo on the wings for me.



:thumbup:

Re: ‘ Going forward ‘

Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:41 pm

thomasblue wrote:Mick has to play a front three of Moore , Murphy and Wilson

They are by far our best attacking players and we look so much more dangerous with them on the pitch.

We need a back up striker because Glatzel is awful with very little chance of scoring and causes us to lose shape and the ball . Watters is not going to be good enough at this level yet

The 343 formation we finished the game with looked very promising.

Bacuna , Glatzel , Nelson and Ojo need to be moved on as they are just holding the team back.

Lowering the number of lower league players in the team is a must.

Perry NG looks a decent player but he hasn't really been tested yet in either game by a proper winger, time will tell with him.

Replace Nelson with a decent centre back alongside Flint and Morrison and we have a solid looking defence

The future could look quite bright with very little change


Spot on. Add Tomlin back into the mix in a few weeks and we can finally start supplying Moore with decent service.

10 goals for Moore this season living off scraps most of the time, imagine how many he would get in a good side.

For me it's no coincidence we went on that appalling run when he was injured.

Re: ‘ Going forward ‘

Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:16 pm

For me, a side that gets the best out of what we have would be...


Smithies
NG - Nelson - Morrison - Brown - Bennet
Bacuna - Ralls- Vaulks
Wilson
Moore

5-3-1-1 or 5-4-1 depending on how you want to look at.

Re: ‘ Going forward ‘

Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:39 pm

thomasblue wrote:Mick has to play a front three of Moore , Murphy and Wilson

They are by far our best attacking players and we look so much more dangerous with them on the pitch.

We need a back up striker because Glatzel is awful with very little chance of scoring and causes us to lose shape and the ball . Watters is not going to be good enough at this level yet

The 343 formation we finished the game with looked very promising.

Bacuna , Glatzel , Nelson and Ojo need to be moved on as they are just holding the team back.

Lowering the number of lower league players in the team is a must.

Perry NG looks a decent player but he hasn't really been tested yet in either game by a proper winger, time will tell with him.

Replace Nelson with a decent centre back alongside Flint and Morrison and we have a solid looking defence

The future could look quite bright with very little change


We looked better midweek when we played more creative players and wilson made an instant impact today. Does my head in that we don't set up like that from the off. Its not like the defensive setup works either as we can't defend to save our lives. Our CM offer no creativity at all. Fed up of having to chase games.

All 3 CB's need replacing. Flint and morrison are passed their best and have zero pace and Nelson has shown his level this season. None can pass the ball either. Need 2 CMs as well with a bit of creativity and pace.

Re: ‘ Going forward ‘

Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:58 pm

llan bluebird wrote:We have played Ojo everywhere now and i still don't know what he is.

In racehorse terms he was a good 2 year old who hasn't trained on.

He is not quick enough to be a winger and he isn't a lazy dribbler like Tomlin. He hasn't got a killer pass/cross nor a deadly shot. He has good close control , I bet he looks great in a half sized training pitch.

Overly coached and not enough playing real games for me.... An modern day academy product who'll be disappointed when he is in L1 next season.

Murphy is an enigma. He has real talent and attributes but i am unsure if he is mentally tough enough to show the potential.


Yes, you can see how Ojo has been an Academy player at a top club, but you can also see why he's going to struggle at Championship level - flatters to deceive.

Re: Going forward

Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:23 pm

avondaleblue wrote:To be honest I'd like to get rid of Morrison, Flint and Nelson, they are all poor. What the f**k was Nelson squabbling with Zohore. Every game he has a shoving match with an opponent. It gives the referee a chance to to show a card or at least keep an eye on him

Curtis Neslon and Kenneth Zohore handbags at five paces and they were cool after the event; these things happen

No issue with him being aggressive; and if Kenneth Zohore had showed a bit more of that, he would have been the striker we thought he could be...

Re: ‘ Going forward ‘

Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:41 pm

llan bluebird wrote:We have played Ojo everywhere now and i still don't know what he is.

In racehorse terms he was a good 2 year old who hasn't trained on.

He is not quick enough to be a winger and he isn't a lazy dribbler like Tomlin. He hasn't got a killer pass/cross nor a deadly shot. He has good close control , I bet he looks great in a half sized training pitch.

Overly coached and not enough playing real games for me.... An modern day academy product who'll be disappointed when he is in L1 next season.

Murphy is an enigma. He has real talent and attributes but i am unsure if he is mentally tough enough to show the potential.



well unlike many who are still playing under 23s at 23 years of age..Ojo has been out on loan all over the place .. being given his league debut by Malky 6 years ago... interestingly Murphy spent a month on loan there at the same time....

Re: ‘ Going forward ‘

Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:14 am

thomasblue wrote:Mick McCarthy has to play a front three of Keiffer Moore, Josh Murphy and Harry Wilson

They are by far our best attacking players and we look so much more dangerous with them on the pitch.

We need a back up striker because Glatzel is awful with very little chance of scoring and causes us to lose shape and the ball . Watters is not going to be good enough at this level yet

The 343 formation we finished the game with looked very promising.

Leandra Bacuna, Robert Glatzel, Curtis Nelson and Shei Ojo need to be moved on as they are just holding the team back.

Lowering the number of lower league players in the team is a must.

Perry Ng looks a decent player but he hasn't really been tested yet in either game by a proper winger; time will tell with him.

Replace Nelson with a decent centre back alongside Aden Flint and Sean Morrison and we have a solid looking defence

The future could look quite bright with very little change


I’d love to see them 3 start up front next game. And when tomlin comes back be a front 3 to fear. Also holliet on the bench as well I still rate him as an important player

Re: Going forward

Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:36 am

thomasblue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Llantwit Blue wrote:Still calling for Murphy unbelievable that shot he had today just landed in Canton. When he comes and has an impact like Willson did then maybe I could understand but again offered nothing.

Thank goodness. I thought it was just me who wasn’t seeing anything in him.


A off form Murphy is still better than a on form Ojo or Hoilett.

Murphy offers a lot in his running off the ball and when he finds form he is one of the best wingers in the league. He needs to get his confidence back and when he does we will be very dangerous going forward . He won't do that sat on the bench .

So you thought Murphy contribution was more than Ojo today?
I’m always thinking each to his own opinion but I’d give Ojo 6.5 - 7 today and Murphy 4.5


I thought Ojos contribution was minimal at best . He did absolutely nothing all game.
Murphy is by far the better player we just need to get the confidence into him


I’ve been waiting since August 2018 to see Murphy play like he can.

Everybody knows there’s a player in there but he’s shown little to nothing except an odd half a game or an odd 20 minutes in all this time!

I’m sick of his lack of effort and sulking since he’s been here and tired of hearing about his lack of confidence for two and a half years.

If Mick can get him playing consistently then good luck but I’m not holding my breath.

Re: Going forward

Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:01 am

OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Llantwit Blue wrote:Still calling for Murphy unbelievable that shot he had today just landed in Canton. When he comes and has an impact like Willson did then maybe I could understand but again offered nothing.

Thank goodness. I thought it was just me who wasn’t seeing anything in him.


A off form Murphy is still better than a on form Ojo or Hoilett.

Murphy offers a lot in his running off the ball and when he finds form he is one of the best wingers in the league. He needs to get his confidence back and when he does we will be very dangerous going forward . He won't do that sat on the bench .

So you thought Murphy contribution was more than Ojo today?
I’m always thinking each to his own opinion but I’d give Ojo 6.5 - 7 today and Murphy 4.5


I thought Ojos contribution was minimal at best . He did absolutely nothing all game.
Murphy is by far the better player we just need to get the confidence into him


I’ve been waiting since August 2018 to see Murphy play like he can.

Everybody knows there’s a player in there but he’s shown little to nothing except an odd half a game or an odd 20 minutes in all this time!

I’m sick of his lack of effort and sulking since he’s been here and tired of hearing about his lack of confidence for two and a half years.

If Mick can get him playing consistently then good luck but I’m not holding my breath.

Agree. I’m also fed up if hearing ‘he has to be given a run in the team’. Why exactly??

Re: Going forward

Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:51 am

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Llantwit Blue wrote:Still calling for Murphy unbelievable that shot he had today just landed in Canton. When he comes and has an impact like Willson did then maybe I could understand but again offered nothing.

Thank goodness. I thought it was just me who wasn’t seeing anything in him.


A off form Murphy is still better than a on form Ojo or Hoilett.

Murphy offers a lot in his running off the ball and when he finds form he is one of the best wingers in the league. He needs to get his confidence back and when he does we will be very dangerous going forward . He won't do that sat on the bench .

So you thought Murphy contribution was more than Ojo today?
I’m always thinking each to his own opinion but I’d give Ojo 6.5 - 7 today and Murphy 4.5


I thought Ojos contribution was minimal at best . He did absolutely nothing all game.
Murphy is by far the better player we just need to get the confidence into him


I’ve been waiting since August 2018 to see Murphy play like he can.

Everybody knows there’s a player in there but he’s shown little to nothing except an odd half a game or an odd 20 minutes in all this time!

I’m sick of his lack of effort and sulking since he’s been here and tired of hearing about his lack of confidence for two and a half years.

If Mick can get him playing consistently then good luck but I’m not holding my breath.

Agree. I’m also fed up if hearing ‘he has to be given a run in the team’. Why exactly??


What do the others do that is any different ?

Hoillett has lost his pace and can't play every game anymore

Ojo is bang average and just as inconsistent as Murphy

Wilson is wasted out wide

Murphybis by far our most talented and valuable attacking player and we need to find out why he is not performing consistently not just give ip on a 11million pound player

Re: Going forward

Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:09 am

thomasblue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Llantwit Blue wrote:Still calling for Murphy unbelievable that shot he had today just landed in Canton. When he comes and has an impact like Willson did then maybe I could understand but again offered nothing.

Thank goodness. I thought it was just me who wasn’t seeing anything in him.


A off form Murphy is still better than a on form Ojo or Hoilett.

Murphy offers a lot in his running off the ball and when he finds form he is one of the best wingers in the league. He needs to get his confidence back and when he does we will be very dangerous going forward . He won't do that sat on the bench .

So you thought Murphy contribution was more than Ojo today?
I’m always thinking each to his own opinion but I’d give Ojo 6.5 - 7 today and Murphy 4.5


I thought Ojos contribution was minimal at best . He did absolutely nothing all game.
Murphy is by far the better player we just need to get the confidence into him


I’ve been waiting since August 2018 to see Murphy play like he can.

Everybody knows there’s a player in there but he’s shown little to nothing except an odd half a game or an odd 20 minutes in all this time!

I’m sick of his lack of effort and sulking since he’s been here and tired of hearing about his lack of confidence for two and a half years.

If Mick can get him playing consistently then good luck but I’m not holding my breath.

Agree. I’m also fed up if hearing ‘he has to be given a run in the team’. Why exactly??


What do the others do that is any different ?

Hoillett has lost his pace and can't play every game anymore

Ojo is bang average and just as inconsistent as Murphy

Wilson is wasted out wide

Murphybis by far our most talented and valuable attacking player and we need to find out why he is not performing consistently not just give ip on a 11million pound player

So you think he’s done well in his appearances?
Or should we keep playing him til he does?