WELSH RUGBY GETS £13.5MILL / CARDIFF GET NOTHING

Welsh rugby to get £13.5m in government funding after fan absence as football gets £1.5m and Cardiff/ Swansea City / Newport County and Wrexham miss out as Welsh Govt say they are in the English system.



The Welsh Government has announced a new funding package aimed at helping spectator sports hit by the coronavirus pandemic

First Minister Drakeford has put aside £17.5million

By Katie Sands

Monday 25th January 2021



The Welsh Government is readying a £17.7million funding package to help spectator sports hit by the financial impact of the coronavirus pandemic.

Rugby union, rugby league, football, horse racing, cricket, netball and ice hockey in Wales will all benefit.

Funds will be allocated to the sports' national governing bodies directly from the Welsh Government.

The money then will be distributed in accordance with needs identified by those governing bodies.

The finances of clubs throughout Wales have been hit hard by the ongoing pandemic, with no fans permitted inside games for nearly a year.

Rugby is the biggest beneficiary, with £13.5m going to the WRU who will then decide how to pass on the money - which is intended to help during the remainder of the winter period.

Wales' four regions - Cardiff Blues, the Ospreys, Scarlets and Dragons - are likely to get help from the funding, as are grassroots clubs throughout the country that have lost their match-day revenue.

A Welsh Government statement said: "It has been designed to provide immediate financial support for spectator sports through the remainder of the winter period to ensure that sports will be ready for the beginning of the new season in September.

"The funding will ensure the short-to-medium term survival of sports organisations and clubs who have been financially impacted by the restrictions on spectators at sporting events."

After rugby, football is the next biggest beneficiary, with £1.5m going to the FAW to distribute.

However, Championship duo Cardiff City and Swansea City, plus other clubs in the English system like Newport County, don't look likely to benefit from this announcement as support has been provided directly by the leagues.

In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list.

Speaking on the Welsh Government's funding package, Lord Dafydd Elis-Thomas, deputy minister for culture, sport and tourism, said: "While restrictions on supporters at events have been vital in stopping the spread of the virus and saving lives, there can be no doubt that they have created real hardships for many sports clubs, many of whom receive a significant proportion of their income through spectator attendance.

"Sport is an important sector of our economy and has a positive impact on our mental and physical wellbeing. Sporting events provide important shared experiences, have often been a welcome distraction during the pandemic and will be a vital player in our recovery and healing after the crisis.

"I know this money will provide some stability to those sports worst affected by the loss of revenue during the pandemic, helping to bridge the financial gap until spectators are able to return safely."

Finance minister Rebecca Evans said: "We're committed to providing a responsible and targeted approach to addressing the financial impact of the pandemic.

"The package of support we have announced takes the total funding for this sector to more than £40m since the start of the crisis, helping to provide longer-term stability for a sector that has had significant financial loss."

How much each sport in Wales is being allocated for 2020/21:

Rugby Union: £13.5million
Football: £1.5m
Horseracing: £1.2m
Cricket: £1m
Ice hockey: £200,000
Rugby League: £200,000
Netball: £100,000
Total: £17.7m
In April, the Welsh Government and Sport Wales launched an £8m Sport Resilience Fund to support sports clubs and partner networks, while that was followed by a £14m funding package in September for the sport and leisure sector.

We are in the English system. We can’t have our cake and eat it.

Principle’s all wrong with this government.They didn’t mind using for the COVID-19 testing centre.

The clubs may be in the English system but they bring money into the Welsh economy.

The clubs may be in the English system but they bring money into the Welsh economy.

Also WAG dictate rules on when supporters can return not Westminster!

So Westminster would give CCFC a grant instead?
Wouldn't they use the principal of "they're a Welsh club"?

Once again more stupidity from the WAG

Cardiff City who have more spectators than all 4 regions and 12 premier rugby teams combined get nothing, yet the rugby teams get best part of £13 million between them

Everything the WAG does just doesn’t make sense. Bunch of nobody’s promoted way above their ability

Just abolish the whole bloody thing not fit for purpose

Once again more stupidity from the WAG

Cardiff City who have more spectators than all 4 regions and 12 premier rugby teams combined get nothing, yet the rugby teams get best part of £13 million between them

Everything the WAG does just doesn’t make sense. Bunch of nobody’s promoted way above their ability

Just abolish the whole bloody thing not fit for purpose

Absolutely spot on

I don’t see the problem. These other teams sport have no where near the same income as top football clubs. We personally have 36m of parachute payment this year 3 times more than the rugby. I think we doing ok.

So Westminster would give CCFC a grant instead?
Wouldn't they use the principal of "they're a Welsh club"?

Presumably Westminster isn’t giving anyone a grant since the running costs of 92 clubs, more if they go non league, are magnitudes higher than Welsh rugby/horse racing/cricket/etc. Any financial help for the English football system will come from the FA or PL as has already been discussed with talks of the failed “Project Big Picture” and a £250m financial package not too long ago.

Fine with this, so by default letting spectators into games should now come under the english rules

Fine with this, so by default letting spectators into games should now come under the english rules

Excellent point.

This funding is to do with the loss of revenue from spectators. The football league doesn't decide when we open our stadium.

The money we recieve etc. Can't be compared to Welsh rugby etc. Our wages and on going costs etc. Would be far greater.

Look at our attendance compared to the blue for example. Our loss from gate income would be far greater.

I seem to remember when the English government opened grounds the Welsh government refused to allow spectators in the CCS.

This funding is to do with the loss of revenue from spectators. The football league doesn't decide when we open our stadium.

The money we recieve etc. Can't be compared to Welsh rugby etc. Our wages and on going costs etc. Would be far greater.

Look at our attendance compared to the blue for example. Our loss from gate income would be far greater.

I seem to remember when the English government opened grounds the Welsh government refused to allow spectators in the CCS.

Yep spot on...WAG bunch of pathetic nobody’s promoted way above their ability

Not surprising though, remember this is the government who at the start of the pandemic approved old people going from hospital to nursing homes without being tested, decided that mask wearing wasn’t beneficial even though rest of the world that it was, kept our country in lockdown longer than any other U.K. region, introduced a firebreak which 4 weeks later led to Wales having the highest infection rate in the world and is lagging behind the rest of the U.K. in vaccine rollout

Bunch of incompetent buffoon’s

Fine with this, so by default letting spectators into games should now come under the english rules

I was just going to post this, so we can have fans in!

Can't see what all the fuss is about.

Welsh finance minister , Rebecca Evans . She used to work behind the counter in a charity shop !
Her only experience of finance was cashing up the till . Now she is running the countries finances.
Drakeford and his clowns, need to be voted out .

Can't believe the amount of MARXIST fans at this club. Expecting COMMUNIST handouts from the government.
First taking the knee, now this, soon we'll be changing our name to comrade city FC.

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.


What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.


What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

Excellent points.

Over reaction again.

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.


What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

aid ? ///where exactly does it say 20 mill in aid.....

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.


What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

aid ? ///where exactly does it say 20 mill in aid.....

£10m, my mistake, cocked up the mental maths. £200m for 20 Championship teams is £10m.
Although I imagine it’ll be a bit less simple that that so teams with more expenses receive more.

So we would potentially receive more than £10m as I can see the likes of Luton, Wycombe, Rotherham etc would receive less.

Despite the maths blunder the rest of the points are valid.

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.


What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

aid ? ///where exactly does it say 20 mill in aid.....

£10m, my mistake, cocked up the mental maths. £200m for 20 Championship teams is £10m.
Although I imagine it’ll be a bit less simple that that so teams with more expenses receive more.

So we would potentially receive more than £10m as I can see the likes of Luton, Wycombe, Rotherham etc would receive less.

Despite the maths blunder the rest of the points are valid.

i wasnt getting at the maths....
i asked where the aid was.... not how much we could borrow off the EPL..

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.


What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

Excellent points.

Over reaction again.

agree....people need to stop with the sticks...and start with grenade launchers...

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.


What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

aid ? ///where exactly does it say 20 mill in aid.....

£10m, my mistake, cocked up the mental maths. £200m for 20 Championship teams is £10m.
Although I imagine it’ll be a bit less simple that that so teams with more expenses receive more.

So we would potentially receive more than £10m as I can see the likes of Luton, Wycombe, Rotherham etc would receive less.

Despite the maths blunder the rest of the points are valid.

i wasnt getting at the maths....
i asked where the aid was.... not how much we could borrow off the EPL..

“with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs”

This part. The loan is the financial aid.

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.


What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

aid ? ///where exactly does it say 20 mill in aid.....

£10m, my mistake, cocked up the mental maths. £200m for 20 Championship teams is £10m.
Although I imagine it’ll be a bit less simple that that so teams with more expenses receive more.

So we would potentially receive more than £10m as I can see the likes of Luton, Wycombe, Rotherham etc would receive less.

Despite the maths blunder the rest of the points are valid.

i wasnt getting at the maths....
i asked where the aid was.... not how much we could borrow off the EPL..

“with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs”

This part. The loan is the financial aid.

its just more debt.... no difference to whether we borrow it off them or our owner...

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.


What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

aid ? ///where exactly does it say 20 mill in aid.....

£10m, my mistake, cocked up the mental maths. £200m for 20 Championship teams is £10m.
Although I imagine it’ll be a bit less simple that that so teams with more expenses receive more.

So we would potentially receive more than £10m as I can see the likes of Luton, Wycombe, Rotherham etc would receive less.

Despite the maths blunder the rest of the points are valid.

i wasnt getting at the maths....
i asked where the aid was.... not how much we could borrow off the EPL..

“with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs”

This part. The loan is the financial aid.

its just more debt.... no difference to whether we borrow it off them or our owner...

Except borrowing from the owner can lead to FFP breaches. A loan from the EFL, you would hope, would be more flexible. Look at the situation with Derby currently being unable to pay the players wages. Clearly it’s not as simple as just borrowing from the owner.
A loan from the EFL as well is unlikely to see issues arise like the Langston/Sam Hammam events.

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.


What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

aid ? ///where exactly does it say 20 mill in aid.....

£10m, my mistake, cocked up the mental maths. £200m for 20 Championship teams is £10m.
Although I imagine it’ll be a bit less simple that that so teams with more expenses receive more.

So we would potentially receive more than £10m as I can see the likes of Luton, Wycombe, Rotherham etc would receive less.

Despite the maths blunder the rest of the points are valid.

i wasnt getting at the maths....
i asked where the aid was.... not how much we could borrow off the EPL..

“with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs”

This part. The loan is the financial aid.

its just more debt.... no difference to whether we borrow it off them or our owner...

Except borrowing from the owner can lead to FFP breaches. A loan from the EFL, you would hope, would be more flexible. Look at the situation with Derby currently being unable to pay the players wages. Clearly it’s not as simple as just borrowing from the owner.
A loan from the EFL as well is unlikely to see issues arise like the Langston/Sam Hammam events.

your making this up as you go now..... 8 mill debt is 8 mill debt.... and borrowing to keep the club afloat is not going to get you punished for FFP any more than borrowing from the EPL....Derby is completely different ,they are in the middle of a take over... and what issues with Sam....he was apparently owed the money exactly the same as Tan is now.... if at some point down the line Tan has sold the club...is still owed money..and the club refuse to pay ..would you expect VT to accept that or try to get his money back ? christ mate we have fans in meltdown over 30 quid refunds...

“In December, the Premier League and English Football League agreed a £250m rescue package to help ease the financial challenge faced by EFL clubs, with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs and a £50m grant being agreed for League One and Two clubs.

It came after the UK Government announced in November a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports in England impacted by the absence of spectators, including £135m for rugby, but clubs in football's Premier League or English Football League were also not on that beneficiary list”.


What’s the issue? Cardiff City are already getting massive financial aid. These other sports are not.
The amount of money the Welsh Government is spending on the entirety of Welsh sports; Rugby, Cricket, Horse racing, Hockey, Football, etc is less than what Cardiff City will be receiving from the PL/EFL financial package. The running costs of a professional football club like Cardiff are astronomically high. A week of expenses would probably be more than several WPL clubs’ annual costs. The money required to make a difference for us, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham would be unfeasible and would pale in comparison to what the clubs will be receiving anyway.

Another stick to beat the WAG with and another excuse for people to complain about a complete non topic. This £17.5m will be helping 10’s of thousands of people and potentially saving jobs. Compare that to the £20m Cardiff will get and only help a few hundred.

aid ? ///where exactly does it say 20 mill in aid.....

£10m, my mistake, cocked up the mental maths. £200m for 20 Championship teams is £10m.
Although I imagine it’ll be a bit less simple that that so teams with more expenses receive more.

So we would potentially receive more than £10m as I can see the likes of Luton, Wycombe, Rotherham etc would receive less.

Despite the maths blunder the rest of the points are valid.

i wasnt getting at the maths....
i asked where the aid was.... not how much we could borrow off the EPL..

“with the EFL being assisted in getting a £200m loan for Championship clubs”

This part. The loan is the financial aid.

its just more debt.... no difference to whether we borrow it off them or our owner...

Except borrowing from the owner can lead to FFP breaches. A loan from the EFL, you would hope, would be more flexible. Look at the situation with Derby currently being unable to pay the players wages. Clearly it’s not as simple as just borrowing from the owner.
A loan from the EFL as well is unlikely to see issues arise like the Langston/Sam Hammam events.

your making this up as you go now..... 8 mill debt is 8 mill debt.... and borrowing to keep the club afloat is not going to get you punished for FFP any more than borrowing from the EPL....Derby is completely different ,they are in the middle of a take over... and what issues with Sam....he was apparently owed the money exactly the same as Tan is now.... if at some point down the line Tan has sold the club...is still owed money..and the club refuse to pay ..would you expect VT to accept that or try to get his money back ? christ mate we have fans in meltdown over 30 quid refunds...

I’m not making it up, I’m guessing. There is actually a difference. Of course I have to guess because I don’t know the intricacies of running multi million pound businesses or football clubs. As for the Sam thing, that was a bit before my time of caring about owners or the background stuff. But clearly some issues arose at some point or at least some fans think so, there have been dozens of threads of people arguing about Sams time at the club. Maybe I’m incorrect though, as I said I don’t really go in to deep when these threads come up.
Regarding FFP, if we are going to be borrowing loans I can’t imagine the same organisation that determines how FFP is calculated and how it can be breached will give us a loan that could potentially cause us to breach the rules. If we ask Tan for £15m and the EFL for £15m I would imagine the EFL being more likely to say “actually you can only have £11m as that’s as much your financial status can allow”
On the flip side, Tan has no obligation to pay us the loan if we request it. If what some of the things I’ve read on here are true Covid has hit Tan massively, a lot of his businesses are in tourism and hospitality. Hotels/restaurants/cafes/etc. There’s no guarantee he wants to give us a multi million pound loan. The EFL have at least allocated a £200m budget for Championship teams.

Back to the original post though. These ice hockey teams and WPL clubs and cricket clubs don’t have the luxury of having billionaire owners or a globally reaching organisation willing to lend hundreds of millions of pounds. Were the Welsh Government to include Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and any other Welsh clubs in the English system the budget would have to be massively increased or the amount of support that the hundreds of other clubs and teams are receiving from this budget would have to be reduced.

Since Cardiff have the ability to request a loan from a billionaire and have been allocated a part of a £200m budget to borrow from, I think the Welsh Government have every right to not include our club in a tiny (in the footballing world) £17.5m budget. The same way England have excluded EFL and PL teams from their £300m budget for helping sport clubs.

Fine with this, so by default letting spectators into games should now come under the english rules

No. It's a public health issue therefore decided in Wales