Proof it’s not just the manager

I know we all know this but it’s not just Neil Harris fault we are where we are. The board is absolutely shocking.

What kind of club let’s a manager bring in 2 players then sacks him.

What kind of club takes a cheaper option in a manager over extra money and ambition.

We don’t own our own training facilities.

We don’t have a style of play.

We have a stale team. If it is true that the board run the squad then why haven’t they moved players out. No one has a more stale squad than us. We have 3 players that put heart and soul into every game - Moore, Mozza and Smithies.

To further prove we have have a piss poor board I bet we hire a manager to get us through the season then end up giving him a chance in July then sacking him in the autumn.

If we had ambition we’d hire a good strong manager now and give him 2 seasons. That squad is shite. If anyone disagrees then your clearly not of a football mind.

I bet managers take one look at the last 10 years and either demand big money or just laugh at us.

This season was the first season in 11 years I’ve not paid for a season ticket and thank f**k I didn’t!

Yes agree with this,why is the board not listerning to the comments like this being made.
A good strong manager with his own mind and who will not be influenced and bullied by people who think they know what they are talking about ,it is about time a total rebuild is what is needed going forward .Come on V.T empower the best manager we can get and go for it ,i am sure the fans will suport you all the way.

Thomas where are you

I know we all know this but it’s not just Neil Harris fault we are where we are. The board is absolutely shocking.

What kind of club let’s a manager bring in 2 players then sacks him.

What kind of club takes a cheaper option in a manager over extra money and ambition.

We don’t own our own training facilities.

We don’t have a style of play.

We have a stale team. If it is true that the board run the squad then why haven’t they moved players out. No one has a more stale squad than us. We have 3 players that put heart and soul into every game - Moore, Mozza and Smithies.

To further prove we have have a piss poor board I bet we hire a manager to get us through the season then end up giving him a chance in July then sacking him in the autumn.

If we had ambition we’d hire a good strong manager now and give him 2 seasons. That squad is shite. If anyone disagrees then your clearly not of a football mind.

I bet managers take one look at the last 10 years and either demand big money or just laugh at us.

This season was the first season in 11 years I’ve not paid for a season ticket and thank f**k I didn’t!

Plenty of clubs bring in players and then fire managers - maybe not so quickly. People want a DoF but those roles tend to focus on identifying and bringing in players to provide to the manager, based on a style and that seems to have been the case here. The managers job is to coach the team and get them playing - Harris couldn’t do that. The board have supplied players like Wilson, Moore, Ojo...they are more than decent by this standard.

By the way, they have moved plenty of players out!

Cheaper manager - plenty of clubs do. It’s football economics. I didn’t want NH, but we’re you complaining when they hired Warnock.

Plan - they tried it with Trollope, Ole and with Harris. In all instances they talked about a philosophy. It didn’t work with either - maybe because they appointed the wrong person, maybe that we all have impatience.

We are hardly a laughing stock over the last 10 years - always challenging for the play offs, 1 cup final and 2 promotions. Yes they were followed by relegations but we have fared better than most clubs in that time.

Are the board perfect - of course not, but I’m not sure how much more they could have done this season to provide a squad capable of competing. Yes we are short in a couple of positions, but Harris should have been able to have done much more with this team.

I know we all know this but it’s not just Neil Harris fault we are where we are. The board is absolutely shocking.

What kind of club let’s a manager bring in 2 players then sacks him.

What kind of club takes a cheaper option in a manager over extra money and ambition.

We don’t own our own training facilities.

We don’t have a style of play.

We have a stale team. If it is true that the board run the squad then why haven’t they moved players out. No one has a more stale squad than us. We have 3 players that put heart and soul into every game - Moore, Mozza and Smithies.

To further prove we have have a piss poor board I bet we hire a manager to get us through the season then end up giving him a chance in July then sacking him in the autumn.

If we had ambition we’d hire a good strong manager now and give him 2 seasons. That squad is shite. If anyone disagrees then your clearly not of a football mind.

I bet managers take one look at the last 10 years and either demand big money or just laugh at us.

This season was the first season in 11 years I’ve not paid for a season ticket and thank f**k I didn’t!

Plenty of clubs bring in players and then fire managers - maybe not so quickly. People want a DoF but those roles tend to focus on identifying and bringing in players to provide to the manager, based on a style and that seems to have been the case here. The managers job is to coach the team and get them playing - Harris couldn’t do that. The board have supplied players like Wilson, Moore, Ojo...they are more than decent by this standard.

By the way, they have moved plenty of players out!

Cheaper manager - plenty of clubs do. It’s football economics. I didn’t want NH, but we’re you complaining when they hired Warnock.

Plan - they tried it with Trollope, Ole and with Harris. In all instances they talked about a philosophy. It didn’t work with either - maybe because they appointed the wrong person, maybe that we all have impatience.

We are hardly a laughing stock over the last 10 years - always challenging for the play offs, 1 cup final and 2 promotions. Yes they were followed by relegations but we have fared better than most clubs in that time.

Are the board perfect - of course not, but I’m not sure how much more they could have done this season to provide a squad capable of competing. Yes we are short in a couple of positions, but Harris should have been able to have done much more with this team.

When a club changes its colours then reverts back a season later you become a laughing stock.

How we handled Sala was the tipping point.

Giving a manager money to spend then sacking him!!? Hardly makes us look professional!

How you can defend their actions I don’t know.

We have had a poor style of football since Dave Jones. Let’s not pretend it’s anything better than average.

I’m agreeing with Blakey, Gabbidon and Perry. Our team is shocking. Players who don’t want to play and dead wood!!

If we hire Pearson I’d love to be a fly on the wall and listen to that hair dryer treatment!

To add - our academy and youth system speaks for itself. Any notable players come through in the last 10 years?? Name me 5.

I know we all know this but it’s not just Neil Harris fault we are where we are. The board is absolutely shocking.

What kind of club let’s a manager bring in 2 players then sacks him.

What kind of club takes a cheaper option in a manager over extra money and ambition.

We don’t own our own training facilities.

We don’t have a style of play.

We have a stale team. If it is true that the board run the squad then why haven’t they moved players out. No one has a more stale squad than us. We have 3 players that put heart and soul into every game - Moore, Mozza and Smithies.

To further prove we have have a piss poor board I bet we hire a manager to get us through the season then end up giving him a chance in July then sacking him in the autumn.

If we had ambition we’d hire a good strong manager now and give him 2 seasons. That squad is shite. If anyone disagrees then your clearly not of a football mind.

I bet managers take one look at the last 10 years and either demand big money or just laugh at us.

This season was the first season in 11 years I’ve not paid for a season ticket and thank f**k I didn’t!

Plenty of clubs bring in players and then fire managers - maybe not so quickly. People want a DoF but those roles tend to focus on identifying and bringing in players to provide to the manager, based on a style and that seems to have been the case here. The managers job is to coach the team and get them playing - Harris couldn’t do that. The board have supplied players like Wilson, Moore, Ojo...they are more than decent by this standard.

By the way, they have moved plenty of players out!

Cheaper manager - plenty of clubs do. It’s football economics. I didn’t want NH, but we’re you complaining when they hired Warnock.

Plan - they tried it with Trollope, Ole and with Harris. In all instances they talked about a philosophy. It didn’t work with either - maybe because they appointed the wrong person, maybe that we all have impatience.

We are hardly a laughing stock over the last 10 years - always challenging for the play offs, 1 cup final and 2 promotions. Yes they were followed by relegations but we have fared better than most clubs in that time.

Are the board perfect - of course not, but I’m not sure how much more they could have done this season to provide a squad capable of competing. Yes we are short in a couple of positions, but Harris should have been able to have done much more with this team.

When a club changes its colours then reverts back a season later you become a laughing stock.

How we handled Sala was the tipping point.

Giving a manager money to spend then sacking him!!? Hardly makes us look professional!

How you can defend their actions I don’t know.

We have had a poor style of football since Dave Jones. Let’s not pretend it’s anything better than average.

I’m agreeing with Blakey, Gabbidon and Perry. Our team is shocking. Players who don’t want to play and dead wood!!

If we hire Pearson I’d love to be a fly on the wall and listen to that hair dryer treatment!

Hang on - are we are laughing stock because of the football style or because of the kit...which happens almost a decade ago and has long been reversed.

As for Sala - it’s shocking that you would take a tragedy like that and use it to throw rocks and say that turns this club into a laughing stock. I assume that you’re a legal expert, so what would you have done differently to the lawyers that have been advising the club so far?

As for letting him sign players - would you have waited another 6 games to sack Harris? We signed a RB as we didn’t have anyone in that position and a young kid who could be a great investment. Plenty of clubs sack managers within weeks of transfer windows closing.

Yes our team is shocking at the moment and especially midfield - but many of these players got promoted under Warnock and players that we have got in are more than proven at this level of above.

Again, my view is the turgid season so far sits firmly with Harris who had no football credentials to get the job in the first place and displayed absolutely zero leadership capability. Now what I do blame the board for is hiring him in the first place!

I know we all know this but it’s not just Neil Harris fault we are where we are. The board is absolutely shocking.

What kind of club let’s a manager bring in 2 players then sacks him.

What kind of club takes a cheaper option in a manager over extra money and ambition.

We don’t own our own training facilities.

We don’t have a style of play.

We have a stale team. If it is true that the board run the squad then why haven’t they moved players out. No one has a more stale squad than us. We have 3 players that put heart and soul into every game - Moore, Mozza and Smithies.

To further prove we have have a piss poor board I bet we hire a manager to get us through the season then end up giving him a chance in July then sacking him in the autumn.

If we had ambition we’d hire a good strong manager now and give him 2 seasons. That squad is shite. If anyone disagrees then your clearly not of a football mind.

I bet managers take one look at the last 10 years and either demand big money or just laugh at us.

This season was the first season in 11 years I’ve not paid for a season ticket and thank f**k I didn’t!

Plenty of clubs bring in players and then fire managers - maybe not so quickly. People want a DoF but those roles tend to focus on identifying and bringing in players to provide to the manager, based on a style and that seems to have been the case here. The managers job is to coach the team and get them playing - Harris couldn’t do that. The board have supplied players like Wilson, Moore, Ojo...they are more than decent by this standard.

By the way, they have moved plenty of players out!

Cheaper manager - plenty of clubs do. It’s football economics. I didn’t want NH, but we’re you complaining when they hired Warnock.

Plan - they tried it with Trollope, Ole and with Harris. In all instances they talked about a philosophy. It didn’t work with either - maybe because they appointed the wrong person, maybe that we all have impatience.

We are hardly a laughing stock over the last 10 years - always challenging for the play offs, 1 cup final and 2 promotions. Yes they were followed by relegations but we have fared better than most clubs in that time.

Are the board perfect - of course not, but I’m not sure how much more they could have done this season to provide a squad capable of competing. Yes we are short in a couple of positions, but Harris should have been able to have done much more with this team.

When a club changes its colours then reverts back a season later you become a laughing stock.

How we handled Sala was the tipping point.

Giving a manager money to spend then sacking him!!? Hardly makes us look professional!

How you can defend their actions I don’t know.

We have had a poor style of football since Dave Jones. Let’s not pretend it’s anything better than average.

I’m agreeing with Blakey, Gabbidon and Perry. Our team is shocking. Players who don’t want to play and dead wood!!

If we hire Pearson I’d love to be a fly on the wall and listen to that hair dryer treatment!

Hang on - are we are laughing stock because of the football style or because of the kit...which happens almost a decade ago and has long been reversed.

As for Sala - it’s shocking that you would take a tragedy like that and use it to throw rocks and say that turns this club into a laughing stock. I assume that you’re a legal expert, so what would you have done differently to the lawyers that have been advising the club so far?

As for letting him sign players - would you have waited another 6 games to sack Harris? We signed a RB as we didn’t have anyone in that position and a young kid who could be a great investment. Plenty of clubs sack managers within weeks of transfer windows closing.

Yes our team is shocking at the moment and especially midfield - but many of these players got promoted under Warnock and players that we have got in are more than proven at this level of above.

Again, my view is the turgid season so far sits firmly with Harris who had no football credentials to get the job in the first place and displayed absolutely zero leadership capability. Now what I do blame the board for is hiring him in the first place!

This guy is just a cheer leader for bashing club only need to look at the rhetoric used to see that!

Hardly bashing the club when I’ve spent thousands on the club - season tickets, one off tickets (cup games) merch, taking the kids along to watch. Have a word, mate!

What the whole denying Nantes transfer money wasn’t embarrassing!?? Really!? The media, other clubs, pundits etc have all said it’s been handled poorly!!

As I’ve said above. The ex pros - Perry, Gabbidon, Blakey have all said the club needs big big changes. I’m echoing what the PRO’s have said to support my opinions.

When the ground reopens will I buy another season ticket to support my club, yes! Does this give me the right to vent my opinion or ‘bash’ the club? I’d like to think so.

As for the Warnock comment. He joined the club in 2016 and left in November 2019! I had the best out of some of those players 3 or 4 years ago!!! Wake up!

Hardly bashing the club when I’ve spent thousands on the club - season tickets, one off tickets (cup games) merch, taking the kids along to watch. Have a word, mate!



What the whole denying Nantes transfer money wasn’t embarrassing!?? Really!? The media, other clubs, pundits etc have all said it’s been handled poorly!!

As I’ve said above. The ex pros - Perry, Gabbidon, Blakey have all said the club needs big big changes. I’m echoing what the PRO’s have said to support my opinions.

When the ground reopens will I buy another season ticket to support my club, yes! Does this give me the right to vent my opinion or ‘bash’ the club? I’d like to think so.

Man c bought players before appt manager and so have others as well as selling without manager knowing it happened very recently! Sala you like others including ex players or journalists have know idea what is the true picture is but guess you would hand over 15m just to look good! Could go on but wont bother..... some have pragmatic look at what happens at club and see it from their prospective as things mentioned here as happened at other clubs even withholding money
in dispute over transfer.... lots fans bought ST to support club this season (I have) your choice to not support club at this time .... but yes "EVERYONE" is entitled to opinion all on here.

:o Thomas where are you

What's thomas got to do with it just because he like others dont share your delight at bashing club? This forum is about opinions as I've just been informed so dont mock laugh others for not sharing yours.

ALLAN Do not tell me what to do...what I said was not mocking him i was waiting for Thomas to come in to support Tan. as he does .if you couldn t see that then you ought to think more carefully before you start labelling people.

Add the fans to that.

No way would any manager get two years.

To add - our academy and youth system speaks for itself. Any notable players come through in the last 10 years?? Name me 5.

Stop saying ten years.

We didn’t have players from academy 5 years before that.

I know we all know this but it’s not just Neil Harris fault we are where we are. The board is absolutely shocking.

What kind of club let’s a manager bring in 2 players then sacks him.

What kind of club takes a cheaper option in a manager over extra money and ambition.

We don’t own our own training facilities.

We don’t have a style of play.

We have a stale team. If it is true that the board run the squad then why haven’t they moved players out. No one has a more stale squad than us. We have 3 players that put heart and soul into every game - Moore, Mozza and Smithies.

To further prove we have have a piss poor board I bet we hire a manager to get us through the season then end up giving him a chance in July then sacking him in the autumn.

If we had ambition we’d hire a good strong manager now and give him 2 seasons. That squad is shite. If anyone disagrees then your clearly not of a football mind.

I bet managers take one look at the last 10 years and either demand big money or just laugh at us.

This season was the first season in 11 years I’ve not paid for a season ticket and thank f**k I didn’t!

Plenty of clubs bring in players and then fire managers - maybe not so quickly. People want a DoF but those roles tend to focus on identifying and bringing in players to provide to the manager, based on a style and that seems to have been the case here. The managers job is to coach the team and get them playing - Harris couldn’t do that. The board have supplied players like Wilson, Moore, Ojo...they are more than decent by this standard.

By the way, they have moved plenty of players out!

Cheaper manager - plenty of clubs do. It’s football economics. I didn’t want NH, but we’re you complaining when they hired Warnock.

Plan - they tried it with Trollope, Ole and with Harris. In all instances they talked about a philosophy. It didn’t work with either - maybe because they appointed the wrong person, maybe that we all have impatience.

We are hardly a laughing stock over the last 10 years - always challenging for the play offs, 1 cup final and 2 promotions. Yes they were followed by relegations but we have fared better than most clubs in that time.

Are the board perfect - of course not, but I’m not sure how much more they could have done this season to provide a squad capable of competing. Yes we are short in a couple of positions, but Harris should have been able to have done much more with this team.

When a club changes its colours then reverts back a season later you become a laughing stock.

How we handled Sala was the tipping point.

Giving a manager money to spend then sacking him!!? Hardly makes us look professional!

How you can defend their actions I don’t know.

We have had a poor style of football since Dave Jones. Let’s not pretend it’s anything better than average.

I’m agreeing with Blakey, Gabbidon and Perry. Our team is shocking. Players who don’t want to play and dead wood!!

If we hire Pearson I’d love to be a fly on the wall and listen to that hair dryer treatment!

We didn’t change back the season after. The red lasted as long as we were winning.

I know we all know this but it’s not just Neil Harris fault we are where we are. The board is absolutely shocking.

What kind of club let’s a manager bring in 2 players then sacks him.

What kind of club takes a cheaper option in a manager over extra money and ambition.

We don’t own our own training facilities.

We don’t have a style of play.

We have a stale team. If it is true that the board run the squad then why haven’t they moved players out. No one has a more stale squad than us. We have 3 players that put heart and soul into every game - Moore, Mozza and Smithies.

To further prove we have have a piss poor board I bet we hire a manager to get us through the season then end up giving him a chance in July then sacking him in the autumn.

If we had ambition we’d hire a good strong manager now and give him 2 seasons. That squad is shite. If anyone disagrees then your clearly not of a football mind.

I bet managers take one look at the last 10 years and either demand big money or just laugh at us.

This season was the first season in 11 years I’ve not paid for a season ticket and thank f**k I didn’t!

Or would you prefer supporting Bury, Chester, Wigan, Portsmouth, Sunderland, etc etc because I wouldn’t want you to support my club and I use support very loosely

Mick McCarthy as our new manager!

Nuff said!

Mick McCarthy as our new manager!

Nuff said!

There’s giving him a chance ffs

Mick McCarthy as our new manager!

Nuff said!

I really hope he makes you eat your words, talk about throwing somebody under the bus before he even gets appointed. Give him a chance ffs, he’s not my choice but I will back him because he is probably going to manage the club I love. I hope he does the business because that will mean my club, Cardiff City, will be successful.
Give him a chance fella and if he fails I will be with you in bashing him

I’m more than happy to.

It’s the wins I give a shit about. I can cope with a loss if we’ve played good football. If he has us mid table put with a new style of flowing football il be happy. If we’re launching the ball up field, conceding goals when we have 7 players in our box defending then il quite happily have a rant.

Until then he’ll have my full support. Plus, he’s possibly the most likeable manager in football!!

Wasn't there people questioning when Harris said 'it's a club decision' (or something like that) when signing one of the players? Maybe they were asked for by our new manager.

Wasn't there people questioning when Harris said 'it's a club decision' (or something like that) when signing one of the players? Maybe they were asked for by our new manager.

You are correct the players were signed for any new manager.

It’s unbelievable to think that a possible new manager wouldn’t have a say on players he fancied prior or arriving. Makes one think he’s still in post somewhere maybe!

Hardly bashing the club when I’ve spent thousands on the club - season tickets, one off tickets (cup games) merch, taking the kids along to watch. Have a word, mate!

What the whole denying Nantes transfer money wasn’t embarrassing!?? Really!? The media, other clubs, pundits etc have all said it’s been handled poorly!!

As I’ve said above. The ex pros - Perry, Gabbidon, Blakey have all said the club needs big big changes. I’m echoing what the PRO’s have said to support my opinions.

When the ground reopens will I buy another season ticket to support my club, yes! Does this give me the right to vent my opinion or ‘bash’ the club? I’d like to think so.

Of course you have the right to ‘bash’ the club, but there should be some balance.

You seem to be basing your opinion though on ex pros who have never even run a club or been managers.

And as for Nantes - so because other fans and pundits were saying it was bad then the money should just have been paid. Of course it is bad - 2 men died. Nothing like that situation has ever happened before so other clubs and media have no precedent to work from or sit on their high horse about.
There is a man who has been charged with a criminal offence and questions on the legality of the transfer - would you really want the club to pay money if they aren’t obliged to?

:o Thomas where are you

I’d like to see him too. Put this chap in his place.

Completey agree

Hardly bashing the club when I’ve spent thousands on the club - season tickets, one off tickets (cup games) merch, taking the kids along to watch. Have a word, mate!

What the whole denying Nantes transfer money wasn’t embarrassing!?? Really!? The media, other clubs, pundits etc have all said it’s been handled poorly!!

As I’ve said above. The ex pros - Perry, Gabbidon, Blakey have all said the club needs big big changes. I’m echoing what the PRO’s have said to support my opinions.

When the ground reopens will I buy another season ticket to support my club, yes! Does this give me the right to vent my opinion or ‘bash’ the club? I’d like to think so.

Of course you have the right to ‘bash’ the club, but there should be some balance.

You seem to be basing your opinion though on ex pros who have never even run a club or been managers.

And as for Nantes - so because other fans and pundits were saying it was bad then the money should just have been paid. Of course it is bad - 2 men died. Nothing like that situation has ever happened before so other clubs and media have no precedent to work from or sit on their high horse about.
There is a man who has been charged with a criminal offence and questions on the legality of the transfer - would you really want the club to pay money if they aren’t obliged to?

Top post fella!! This guy does nothing but throw stones at the hierarchy at any opportunity. The very fact he used the poor sala tragedy as leverage,when there are criminal proceedings taking place,speaks volumes to me.
And I have defended tan,and continue to do so,yes the colour change was awful,but that is now part of our club's HISTORY now!! Have I, or will I ever forget? No, of course not,but I have forgiven him.

Hardly bashing the club when I’ve spent thousands on the club - season tickets, one off tickets (cup games) merch, taking the kids along to watch. Have a word, mate!

What the whole denying Nantes transfer money wasn’t embarrassing!?? Really!? The media, other clubs, pundits etc have all said it’s been handled poorly!!

As I’ve said above. The ex pros - Perry, Gabbidon, Blakey have all said the club needs big big changes. I’m echoing what the PRO’s have said to support my opinions.

When the ground reopens will I buy another season ticket to support my club, yes! Does this give me the right to vent my opinion or ‘bash’ the club? I’d like to think so.

Of course you have the right to ‘bash’ the club, but there should be some balance.

You seem to be basing your opinion though on ex pros who have never even run a club or been managers.

And as for Nantes - so because other fans and pundits were saying it was bad then the money should just have been paid. Of course it is bad - 2 men died. Nothing like that situation has ever happened before so other clubs and media have no precedent to work from or sit on their high horse about.
There is a man who has been charged with a criminal offence and questions on the legality of the transfer - would you really want the club to pay money if they aren’t obliged to?

Top post fella!! This guy does nothing but throw stones at the hierarchy at any opportunity. The very fact he used the poor sala tragedy as leverage,when there are criminal proceedings taking place,speaks volumes to me.
And I have defended tan,and continue to do so,yes the colour change was awful,but that is now part of our club's HISTORY now!! Have I, or will I ever forget? No, of course not,but I have forgiven him.

Finally, people starting to see these people for what they are...

Sadly, it's not just him and it seems to be getting worse

Hardly bashing the club when I’ve spent thousands on the club - season tickets, one off tickets (cup games) merch, taking the kids along to watch. Have a word, mate!

What the whole denying Nantes transfer money wasn’t embarrassing!?? Really!? The media, other clubs, pundits etc have all said it’s been handled poorly!!

As I’ve said above. The ex pros - Perry, Gabbidon, Blakey have all said the club needs big big changes. I’m echoing what the PRO’s have said to support my opinions.

When the ground reopens will I buy another season ticket to support my club, yes! Does this give me the right to vent my opinion or ‘bash’ the club? I’d like to think so.

Of course you have the right to ‘bash’ the club, but there should be some balance.

You seem to be basing your opinion though on ex pros who have never even run a club or been managers.

And as for Nantes - so because other fans and pundits were saying it was bad then the money should just have been paid. Of course it is bad - 2 men died. Nothing like that situation has ever happened before so other clubs and media have no precedent to work from or sit on their high horse about.
There is a man who has been charged with a criminal offence and questions on the legality of the transfer - would you really want the club to pay money if they aren’t obliged to?

Top post fella!! This guy does nothing but throw stones at the hierarchy at any opportunity. The very fact he used the poor sala tragedy as leverage,when there are criminal proceedings taking place,speaks volumes to me.
And I have defended tan,and continue to do so,yes the colour change was awful,but that is now part of our club's HISTORY now!! Have I, or will I ever forget? No, of course not,but I have forgiven him.

Finally, people starting to see these people for what they are...

Sadly, it's not just him and it seems to be getting worse

Glad not on my own regarding what was posted.

What I will say to you all once again shows Tan / Committee more bullshit about building for the future we keep hearing every 2yr years , this is def not building for the future