Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:44 am
Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:42 am
Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:49 am
maccydee wrote:Personally I think it’s a weapon that was released accidentally from the lab.
However once out (if a weapon or not) it was very difficult to contain.
If it isn’t a weapon or man made I can’t see how China can get the blame really.
Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:16 am
maccydee wrote:Personally I think it’s a weapon that was released accidentally from the lab.
However once out (if a weapon or not) it was very difficult to contain.
If it isn’t a weapon or man made I can’t see how China can get the blame really.
Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:59 am
nubbsy wrote:maccydee wrote:Personally I think it’s a weapon that was released accidentally from the lab.
However once out (if a weapon or not) it was very difficult to contain.
If it isn’t a weapon or man made I can’t see how China can get the blame really.
Exactly what I said from the start
Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:42 pm
maccydee wrote:Personally I think it’s a weapon that was released accidentally from the lab.
However once out (if a weapon or not) it was very difficult to contain.
If it isn’t a weapon or man made I can’t see how China can get the blame really.
Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:56 pm
skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:Personally I think it’s a weapon that was released accidentally from the lab.
However once out (if a weapon or not) it was very difficult to contain.
If it isn’t a weapon or man made I can’t see how China can get the blame really.
a weapon that kills such a small proportion of people . the majority of whom are very old and very weak.... ?
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:14 pm
maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:Personally I think it’s a weapon that was released accidentally from the lab.
However once out (if a weapon or not) it was very difficult to contain.
If it isn’t a weapon or man made I can’t see how China can get the blame really.
a weapon that kills such a small proportion of people . the majority of whom are very old and very weak.... ?
Spreads quickly. Makes people ill. Takes up a lot of hospital capacity. Kills people.
This wasn’t meant to be released unless at war.
It spreads before symptoms show if symptoms show.
Imagine a situation where there is a world war and this gets spread amongst America and Europe. It would have a significant effect on the war effort.
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:23 pm
skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:Personally I think it’s a weapon that was released accidentally from the lab.
However once out (if a weapon or not) it was very difficult to contain.
If it isn’t a weapon or man made I can’t see how China can get the blame really.
a weapon that kills such a small proportion of people . the majority of whom are very old and very weak.... ?
Spreads quickly. Makes people ill. Takes up a lot of hospital capacity. Kills people.
This wasn’t meant to be released unless at war.
It spreads before symptoms show if symptoms show.
Imagine a situation where there is a world war and this gets spread amongst America and Europe. It would have a significant effect on the war effort.
come on mate.... the vast majority { 80 % } do not get ill or get it mildly especially those of fighting age where the percentage of asymptomatic or very mild is even higher.... its not the spanish flu , which btw was around at the same time as a war.... you know this...as does everyone but for some reason choose an alternative version...
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:27 pm
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:42 pm
maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:Personally I think it’s a weapon that was released accidentally from the lab.
However once out (if a weapon or not) it was very difficult to contain.
If it isn’t a weapon or man made I can’t see how China can get the blame really.
a weapon that kills such a small proportion of people . the majority of whom are very old and very weak.... ?
Spreads quickly. Makes people ill. Takes up a lot of hospital capacity. Kills people.
This wasn’t meant to be released unless at war.
It spreads before symptoms show if symptoms show.
Imagine a situation where there is a world war and this gets spread amongst America and Europe. It would have a significant effect on the war effort.
come on mate.... the vast majority { 80 % } do not get ill or get it mildly especially those of fighting age where the percentage of asymptomatic or very mild is even higher.... its not the spanish flu , which btw was around at the same time as a war.... you know this...as does everyone but for some reason choose an alternative version...
Look at the fear it has spread. Can’t deny hospital admissions are through the roof and that’s with lockdown.
It was designed to be released during a war with China.
Just my opinion.
Where are the stats about 80% don’t get symptoms from?
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:45 pm
Sven wrote:Sorry, I thought this was a 'Roathy' thread...!![]()
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Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:45 pm
skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:Personally I think it’s a weapon that was released accidentally from the lab.
However once out (if a weapon or not) it was very difficult to contain.
If it isn’t a weapon or man made I can’t see how China can get the blame really.
a weapon that kills such a small proportion of people . the majority of whom are very old and very weak.... ?
Spreads quickly. Makes people ill. Takes up a lot of hospital capacity. Kills people.
This wasn’t meant to be released unless at war.
It spreads before symptoms show if symptoms show.
Imagine a situation where there is a world war and this gets spread amongst America and Europe. It would have a significant effect on the war effort.
come on mate.... the vast majority { 80 % } do not get ill or get it mildly especially those of fighting age where the percentage of asymptomatic or very mild is even higher.... its not the spanish flu , which btw was around at the same time as a war.... you know this...as does everyone but for some reason choose an alternative version...
Look at the fear it has spread. Can’t deny hospital admissions are through the roof and that’s with lockdown.
It was designed to be released during a war with China.
Just my opinion.
Where are the stats about 80% don’t get symptoms from?
where are the stats...everywhere....but it seems the majority would ignore even if boris personally knocked their door and screamed it at them.. what exactly do you think is happening with these covid outbreaks at football clubs....they turn up and test them after training and some are positive.... you know this...its just a wind up ?
and yes ,that is the lockdown theory our government along with others are following.... but there are plenty of studies from equally good and respected bodies that suggest the opposite.... and yes our hospitals are full...what do you consider through the roof ? 10% more. 20% more.. 50 % .?
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:49 pm
skidemin wrote:Sven wrote:Sorry, I thought this was a 'Roathy' thread...!![]()
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no just people leaving their imagination overide facts that they know....
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:53 pm
maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:Personally I think it’s a weapon that was released accidentally from the lab.
However once out (if a weapon or not) it was very difficult to contain.
If it isn’t a weapon or man made I can’t see how China can get the blame really.
a weapon that kills such a small proportion of people . the majority of whom are very old and very weak.... ?
Spreads quickly. Makes people ill. Takes up a lot of hospital capacity. Kills people.
This wasn’t meant to be released unless at war.
It spreads before symptoms show if symptoms show.
Imagine a situation where there is a world war and this gets spread amongst America and Europe. It would have a significant effect on the war effort.
come on mate.... the vast majority { 80 % } do not get ill or get it mildly especially those of fighting age where the percentage of asymptomatic or very mild is even higher.... its not the spanish flu , which btw was around at the same time as a war.... you know this...as does everyone but for some reason choose an alternative version...
Look at the fear it has spread. Can’t deny hospital admissions are through the roof and that’s with lockdown.
It was designed to be released during a war with China.
Just my opinion.
Where are the stats about 80% don’t get symptoms from?
where are the stats...everywhere....but it seems the majority would ignore even if boris personally knocked their door and screamed it at them.. what exactly do you think is happening with these covid outbreaks at football clubs....they turn up and test them after training and some are positive.... you know this...its just a wind up ?
and yes ,that is the lockdown theory our government along with others are following.... but there are plenty of studies from equally good and respected bodies that suggest the opposite.... and yes our hospitals are full...what do you consider through the roof ? 10% more. 20% more.. 50 % .?
I’m not just talking hospital admissions in this country.
It’s a perfect weapon. I think it was in that lab and got out into that wet market. Which got transmitted to humans which then spread.
Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:03 pm
maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:Sven wrote:Sorry, I thought this was a 'Roathy' thread...!![]()
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no just people leaving their imagination overide facts that they know....
My imagination is being supplemented by the facts. How do facts show it’s not a weapon.
The ideal weapon doesn’t kill everyone necessarily it stops people from working.
In the Second World War bombing campaigns didn’t want to cause mass death necessarily they wanted to stop production. Imagine a virus spreading through the population hospitalising people, making people worried about catching it.
It’s doing that now in peacetime imagine it during a war.
In fact if it killed more it wouldn’t spread so well as has been specified consistently throughout the pandemic.
I am Roathy.
Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:04 pm
skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:Sven wrote:Sorry, I thought this was a 'Roathy' thread...!![]()
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no just people leaving their imagination overide facts that they know....
My imagination is being supplemented by the facts. How do facts show it’s not a weapon.
The ideal weapon doesn’t kill everyone necessarily it stops people from working.
In the Second World War bombing campaigns didn’t want to cause mass death necessarily they wanted to stop production. Imagine a virus spreading through the population hospitalising people, making people worried about catching it.
It’s doing that now in peacetime imagine it during a war.
In fact if it killed more it wouldn’t spread so well as has been specified consistently throughout the pandemic.
I am Roathy.
its not though..you can imagine it running through the population hospitalising loads all you want but try reality....we have had 3 and a half million positives mate... positives not ill..... go figure...
Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:07 pm
maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:Sven wrote:Sorry, I thought this was a 'Roathy' thread...!![]()
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no just people leaving their imagination overide facts that they know....
My imagination is being supplemented by the facts. How do facts show it’s not a weapon.
The ideal weapon doesn’t kill everyone necessarily it stops people from working.
In the Second World War bombing campaigns didn’t want to cause mass death necessarily they wanted to stop production. Imagine a virus spreading through the population hospitalising people, making people worried about catching it.
It’s doing that now in peacetime imagine it during a war.
In fact if it killed more it wouldn’t spread so well as has been specified consistently throughout the pandemic.
I am Roathy.
its not though..you can imagine it running through the population hospitalising loads all you want but try reality....we have had 3 and a half million positives mate... positives not ill..... go figure...
1 in 8 have had it. This was with us locking down for a significant amount of time. Imagine had we not done that?
Have you seen the figures from America?
Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:00 pm
skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:Sven wrote:Sorry, I thought this was a 'Roathy' thread...!![]()
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no just people leaving their imagination overide facts that they know....
My imagination is being supplemented by the facts. How do facts show it’s not a weapon.
The ideal weapon doesn’t kill everyone necessarily it stops people from working.
In the Second World War bombing campaigns didn’t want to cause mass death necessarily they wanted to stop production. Imagine a virus spreading through the population hospitalising people, making people worried about catching it.
It’s doing that now in peacetime imagine it during a war.
In fact if it killed more it wouldn’t spread so well as has been specified consistently throughout the pandemic.
I am Roathy.
its not though..you can imagine it running through the population hospitalising loads all you want but try reality....we have had 3 and a half million positives mate... positives not ill..... go figure...
1 in 8 have had it. This was with us locking down for a significant amount of time. Imagine had we not done that?
Have you seen the figures from America?
yes mate they have had slightly less deaths per million population than our selves.... more cases per million and more asymptomatic cases per million......
and yes ive imagine us being in a better place....there is zero evidence lock downs work.,..zero...but i think its another one you know but do nor accept
Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:07 pm
maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:Sven wrote:Sorry, I thought this was a 'Roathy' thread...!![]()
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no just people leaving their imagination overide facts that they know....
My imagination is being supplemented by the facts. How do facts show it’s not a weapon.
The ideal weapon doesn’t kill everyone necessarily it stops people from working.
In the Second World War bombing campaigns didn’t want to cause mass death necessarily they wanted to stop production. Imagine a virus spreading through the population hospitalising people, making people worried about catching it.
It’s doing that now in peacetime imagine it during a war.
In fact if it killed more it wouldn’t spread so well as has been specified consistently throughout the pandemic.
I am Roathy.
its not though..you can imagine it running through the population hospitalising loads all you want but try reality....we have had 3 and a half million positives mate... positives not ill..... go figure...
1 in 8 have had it. This was with us locking down for a significant amount of time. Imagine had we not done that?
Have you seen the figures from America?
yes mate they have had slightly less deaths per million population than our selves.... more cases per million and more asymptomatic cases per million......
and yes ive imagine us being in a better place....there is zero evidence lock downs work.,..zero...but i think its another one you know but do nor accept
It’s something we will never know for sure. Plenty say lockdowns are a good thing plenty say they aren’t
Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:31 pm
Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:07 pm
Sven wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:Sven wrote:Sorry, I thought this was a 'Roathy' thread...!![]()
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no just people leaving their imagination overide facts that they know....
My imagination is being supplemented by the facts. How do facts show it’s not a weapon.
The ideal weapon doesn’t kill everyone necessarily it stops people from working.
In the Second World War bombing campaigns didn’t want to cause mass death necessarily they wanted to stop production. Imagine a virus spreading through the population hospitalising people, making people worried about catching it.
It’s doing that now in peacetime imagine it during a war.
In fact if it killed more it wouldn’t spread so well as has been specified consistently throughout the pandemic.
I am Roathy.
its not though..you can imagine it running through the population hospitalising loads all you want but try reality....we have had 3 and a half million positives mate... positives not ill..... go figure...
1 in 8 have had it. This was with us locking down for a significant amount of time. Imagine had we not done that?
Have you seen the figures from America?
yes mate they have had slightly less deaths per million population than our selves.... more cases per million and more asymptomatic cases per million......
and yes ive imagine us being in a better place....there is zero evidence lock downs work.,..zero...but i think its another one you know but do nor accept
It’s something we will never know for sure. Plenty say lockdowns are a good thing plenty say they aren’t
Current scientific thinking is 'lockdowns' are not the answer...
Luckily, we've not had any of note over here...![]()
Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:09 pm
WestCoastBlue wrote:Gotta agree with Skidemin here, if it’s a weapon it’s a shit one. Biological and Chemical weapons have been used for over 100 years in warfare, at this stage they can be fine tuned for maximum disaster. Natural diseases like Smallpox and Ebola are already more dangerous than Covid with zero genetic modification. As for releasing it as a form of an attack you’d be much better releasing something that spreads rapidly but kills quickly, otherwise you run the risk of it ending up on your own shores.
Secondly, if it came from a lab creating bioweapons it would make no sense doing so in a lab in a massive urban population centre. On the border with Mongolia or the Gobi desert or in the jungles would all be much safer and more secretive.
If it turns out it originated from a lab environment I think a more likely case is poor security measures in cleaning and disposing of samples. Whether we ever know the truth is another matter entirely.
Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:16 pm
Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:34 pm
maccydee wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:Gotta agree with Skidemin here, if it’s a weapon it’s a shit one. Biological and Chemical weapons have been used for over 100 years in warfare, at this stage they can be fine tuned for maximum disaster. Natural diseases like Smallpox and Ebola are already more dangerous than Covid with zero genetic modification. As for releasing it as a form of an attack you’d be much better releasing something that spreads rapidly but kills quickly, otherwise you run the risk of it ending up on your own shores.
Secondly, if it came from a lab creating bioweapons it would make no sense doing so in a lab in a massive urban population centre. On the border with Mongolia or the Gobi desert or in the jungles would all be much safer and more secretive.
If it turns out it originated from a lab environment I think a more likely case is poor security measures in cleaning and disposing of samples. Whether we ever know the truth is another matter entirely.
How is not the ideal weapon?
The way it spreads so easily even when not symptomatic, mutates, kills, gives significant lung issues for survivors. Takes up hospital capacity.
It also has plausible deniability.
Perfect weapon.
Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:36 pm
maccydee wrote:https://fullfact.org/health/can-we-believe-lockdown-sceptics/
Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:38 pm
WestCoastBlue wrote:maccydee wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:Gotta agree with Skidemin here, if it’s a weapon it’s a shit one. Biological and Chemical weapons have been used for over 100 years in warfare, at this stage they can be fine tuned for maximum disaster. Natural diseases like Smallpox and Ebola are already more dangerous than Covid with zero genetic modification. As for releasing it as a form of an attack you’d be much better releasing something that spreads rapidly but kills quickly, otherwise you run the risk of it ending up on your own shores.
Secondly, if it came from a lab creating bioweapons it would make no sense doing so in a lab in a massive urban population centre. On the border with Mongolia or the Gobi desert or in the jungles would all be much safer and more secretive.
If it turns out it originated from a lab environment I think a more likely case is poor security measures in cleaning and disposing of samples. Whether we ever know the truth is another matter entirely.
How is not the ideal weapon?
The way it spreads so easily even when not symptomatic, mutates, kills, gives significant lung issues for survivors. Takes up hospital capacity.
It also has plausible deniability.
Perfect weapon.
In a wartime scenario it’s ineffective in the sense the vast majority of fighting age and working age people escape unscathed. The way it spreads as well means if you release it one country it can very easily reach you and your allies.
Several things would make it a much more viable weapon. Airborne, higher lethality, shorter life span, etc. Think of things like Anthrax, Ebola, Plague strains.
Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:51 pm
maccydee wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:maccydee wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:Gotta agree with Skidemin here, if it’s a weapon it’s a shit one. Biological and Chemical weapons have been used for over 100 years in warfare, at this stage they can be fine tuned for maximum disaster. Natural diseases like Smallpox and Ebola are already more dangerous than Covid with zero genetic modification. As for releasing it as a form of an attack you’d be much better releasing something that spreads rapidly but kills quickly, otherwise you run the risk of it ending up on your own shores.
Secondly, if it came from a lab creating bioweapons it would make no sense doing so in a lab in a massive urban population centre. On the border with Mongolia or the Gobi desert or in the jungles would all be much safer and more secretive.
If it turns out it originated from a lab environment I think a more likely case is poor security measures in cleaning and disposing of samples. Whether we ever know the truth is another matter entirely.
How is not the ideal weapon?
The way it spreads so easily even when not symptomatic, mutates, kills, gives significant lung issues for survivors. Takes up hospital capacity.
It also has plausible deniability.
Perfect weapon.
In a wartime scenario it’s ineffective in the sense the vast majority of fighting age and working age people escape unscathed. The way it spreads as well means if you release it one country it can very easily reach you and your allies.
Several things would make it a much more viable weapon. Airborne, higher lethality, shorter life span, etc. Think of things like Anthrax, Ebola, Plague strains.
Absolutely true anthrax is deadly. But not easy to weaponise. Ebola easier to control.
It’s not about affecting the troops but affecting what goes on at home.
It’s referenced in the art of war.
Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:12 pm
skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:maccydee wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:Gotta agree with Skidemin here, if it’s a weapon it’s a shit one. Biological and Chemical weapons have been used for over 100 years in warfare, at this stage they can be fine tuned for maximum disaster. Natural diseases like Smallpox and Ebola are already more dangerous than Covid with zero genetic modification. As for releasing it as a form of an attack you’d be much better releasing something that spreads rapidly but kills quickly, otherwise you run the risk of it ending up on your own shores.
Secondly, if it came from a lab creating bioweapons it would make no sense doing so in a lab in a massive urban population centre. On the border with Mongolia or the Gobi desert or in the jungles would all be much safer and more secretive.
If it turns out it originated from a lab environment I think a more likely case is poor security measures in cleaning and disposing of samples. Whether we ever know the truth is another matter entirely.
How is not the ideal weapon?
The way it spreads so easily even when not symptomatic, mutates, kills, gives significant lung issues for survivors. Takes up hospital capacity.
It also has plausible deniability.
Perfect weapon.
In a wartime scenario it’s ineffective in the sense the vast majority of fighting age and working age people escape unscathed. The way it spreads as well means if you release it one country it can very easily reach you and your allies.
Several things would make it a much more viable weapon. Airborne, higher lethality, shorter life span, etc. Think of things like Anthrax, Ebola, Plague strains.
Absolutely true anthrax is deadly. But not easy to weaponise. Ebola easier to control.
It’s not about affecting the troops but affecting what goes on at home.
It’s referenced in the art of war.
indeed..at home...production has stopped...food rationing. .our transportation system has come to a halt....
Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:39 pm
maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:maccydee wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:Gotta agree with Skidemin here, if it’s a weapon it’s a shit one. Biological and Chemical weapons have been used for over 100 years in warfare, at this stage they can be fine tuned for maximum disaster. Natural diseases like Smallpox and Ebola are already more dangerous than Covid with zero genetic modification. As for releasing it as a form of an attack you’d be much better releasing something that spreads rapidly but kills quickly, otherwise you run the risk of it ending up on your own shores.
Secondly, if it came from a lab creating bioweapons it would make no sense doing so in a lab in a massive urban population centre. On the border with Mongolia or the Gobi desert or in the jungles would all be much safer and more secretive.
If it turns out it originated from a lab environment I think a more likely case is poor security measures in cleaning and disposing of samples. Whether we ever know the truth is another matter entirely.
How is not the ideal weapon?
The way it spreads so easily even when not symptomatic, mutates, kills, gives significant lung issues for survivors. Takes up hospital capacity.
It also has plausible deniability.
Perfect weapon.
In a wartime scenario it’s ineffective in the sense the vast majority of fighting age and working age people escape unscathed. The way it spreads as well means if you release it one country it can very easily reach you and your allies.
Several things would make it a much more viable weapon. Airborne, higher lethality, shorter life span, etc. Think of things like Anthrax, Ebola, Plague strains.
Absolutely true anthrax is deadly. But not easy to weaponise. Ebola easier to control.
It’s not about affecting the troops but affecting what goes on at home.
It’s referenced in the art of war.
indeed..at home...production has stopped...food rationing. .our transportation system has come to a halt....
You say it like there has been no impact to the country.