LITTLE CREWE SAY A DISGUSTING OFFER BY CARDIFF

Crewe boss' explosive response to Cardiff City's 'disgusting' offer for Perry Ng



The Alex boss insists the League One side are under no pressure to sell their captain in the January window, despite real interest from Cardiff City


"I've spoken to his agent and he was fuming about how the 'deal' came about, how do Cardiff expect to deal like this?.”



By Tom Coleman


Friday 8th January 2021


Crewe Alexandra boss Dave Artell says he's ready to fight to keep hold of captain Perry Ng after revealing the club have rejected a 'disgusting' offer from Cardiff City.

"There is low, but Cardiff went lower than low, we wont be talking again."

Bluebirds boss Neil Harris has confirmed that Ng is a player who the club have been looking at in this window, with City reportedly stepping up their interest in the full-back with an 'undisclosed bid'.

That bid has been rejected by Alex, with Artell stinging in his criticism of the offer, revealing it to be a long way off their valuation of the player.

Ng currently has six months left to run on his current deal at Gresty Road, and Artell admits there is the possibility that he may look to run down his contract before moving on to a higher level in the summer.

But he insists there is currently no pressure on the League One outfit to cash in on one of their star players, and has hit out at the agent he says has helped fuel Cardiff's interest.

"I think we have responded (to the offer), but it didn't warrant a response, it was disgusting," said Artell. "It came about through an agent who is trying to force a deal. He's not working for us because we don't pay agents. He's trying to get a deal going, but he's miles away - between here and Mars to be honest.


"Perry understands that. He's been a terrific leader and a terrific captain. He's got another four months if he runs down his contract, but if he doesn't we have him for another few years.

"I've spoken to his agent and he was fuming about how the 'deal' came about, how do Cardiff expect to deal like this?"

The ongoing Covid-19 pandemic has had a huge financial impact on clubs lower down the footballing pyramid, but Artell insists that a combination of careful planning and the near £400,000 Premier League deal has helped ease financial concerns.

"It doesn't surprise me (the interest in Ng) as we've got good players at this club, and not just Perry," Artell added.

"What I would say is that we don't need to sell. We're in a great financial position, the best we've been in for a number of years."

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It’s becoming embarrassing our club

We can only guess at what was offered, but again it seems to show that we havent got a clue about how to go about football.

This season ranks as one of the worst I have ever known and i've seen it all when we just finished outside the bottom 2 of the old division 4, beaten at home by 5 by Maidstone, and Cambridge hitting 8 against us at Ninian.

I wont board bash, there is no longer any point. I just hope Dalman et al read this forum.

Shame on Cardiff City.

We can only guess at what was offered, but again it seems to show that we havent got a clue about how to go about football.

This season ranks as one of the worst I have ever known and i've seen it all when we just finished outside the bottom 2 of the old division 4, beaten at home by 5 by Maidstone, and Cambridge hitting 8 against us at Ninian.

I wont board bash, there is no longer any point. I just hope Dalman et al read this forum.

Shame on Cardiff City.

Oh come on that's a bit of an exaggeration! There were some very dark days in the dungeon effectively watching non league football. This season is disappointing but hardly a total disaster. We've no idea what weve offered for this player and maybe the tactic is just to unsettle him at the moment. We were all critical in the summer about the window and we signed Harris and Moore. Tutu will be fit again soon so why not be cheeky with bidding for first division players? Too much over negativity about the club at the moment. I don't have faith in Harris but I dont think the club is total shambles either.

We can only guess at what was offered, but again it seems to show that we havent got a clue about how to go about football.

This season ranks as one of the worst I have ever known and i've seen it all when we just finished outside the bottom 2 of the old division 4, beaten at home by 5 by Maidstone, and Cambridge hitting 8 against us at Ninian.

I wont board bash, there is no longer any point. I just hope Dalman et al read this forum.

Shame on Cardiff City.

Oh come on that's a bit of an exaggeration! There were some very dark days in the dungeon effectively watching non league football. This season is disappointing but hardly a total disaster. We've no idea what weve offered for this player and maybe the tactic is just to unsettle him at the moment. We were all critical in the summer about the window and we signed Harris and Moore. Tutu will be fit again soon so why not be cheeky with bidding for first division players? Too much over negativity about the club at the moment. I don't have faith in Harris but I dont think the club is total shambles either.

I have to say after 49yrs of supporting my club through all the dark days, the present regime to
Me only bring shame on how our club is run, from the despicable rebrand, court cases and how we deal with other clubs

Interesting, I still think the dark days of the early nineties were worse. I remember watching us at Torquay literally thinking I can play as good this! The rebrand was unforgivable, Tan has made other mistakes too but I don't feel the same sense of gloom about the club and the season. Always glass half full!

Interesting, I still think the dark days of the early nineties were worse. I remember watching us at Torquay literally thinking I can play as good this! The rebrand was unforgivable, Tan has made other mistakes too but I don't feel the same sense of gloom about the club and the season. Always glass half full!

I’m a half full guy too...I remember the Durban days

Why are people bashing the club without knowing what we offered ?

What is this guy worth in reality?
He is a league 1 full back with 4 months left on his contract before he can walk for nothing.

We might have offered £250k - £500k which is reasonable but Crewe for some reason could be valuing the player in the multi millions.

Just because the crewe manager didn't like the bid it doesnt mean we were wrong , they could just be being unrealistic with the valuation

Its interesting that the club gets pelted for overpaying all the time and now we are trying our luck going apparently lower , we are disgusting and useless.
Our supposed fans are shocking.

We can only guess at what was offered, but again it seems to show that we havent got a clue about how to go about football.

This season ranks as one of the worst I have ever known and i've seen it all when we just finished outside the bottom 2 of the old division 4, beaten at home by 5 by Maidstone, and Cambridge hitting 8 against us at Ninian.

I wont board bash, there is no longer any point. I just hope Dalman et al read this forum.

Shame on Cardiff City.

So you are taking the word of the Crewe manager over the club just because he thinks the offer was too low ?

You are no city fan you are just out to abuse our club and owner at every opportunity wether it is warranted or not

Fair play there are some right drama queen's on here. Talk about a complete over reaction

The club put an offer in (which one no one knows what it was or if an official bid was even made) which is rejected and people are embarrassed because their manager doesn't like it? ffs, get a grip like. We've tried to get an out of contract player on the cheap. Big deal. Well done to the club for trying to do better business.

The board have been slammed for massively over paying on players who havnt been good enough, Flint, Murphy etc. And now its embarrassing because the club have apparently put in a low bid for a player? its how deals are done. We will have our valuation and they'll have theirs. We bid, they say no and we bid again. If a deal is to be done, the transfer will be somewhere in the middle. The alternative is we come straight in with a high offer and potentially over pay on a player.

Interesting, I still think the dark days of the early nineties were worse. I remember watching us at Torquay literally thinking I can play as good this! The rebrand was unforgivable, Tan has made other mistakes too but I don't feel the same sense of gloom about the club and the season. Always glass half full!

But we were a lower league club and we had low crowds and no expectations, we never expected much and we played week in week out Hartlepool, Darlinghton, Halifax , Rochdale, Torquay etc
Players played for the shirt, it was a different world.
If we lost, as long as they gave 100% we went home happy.
I watched City 9 yrs in league 4, never missed one home or away game during that time.

I have had a season season ticket for 49 consecutive seasons.

My family sponsored players, matches and sponsored local players etc
I would actually have tears in my eyes in matches we won and lost.


But I can tell you now I was proud in them days of my club, the badge, the shirt and the closeness of our club.

Now I would never shed a tear, these owners have broken me and many others I know.

Our owners today act like they are Prem, so we expect that in return.
Our club now keeps a distance from its fans and we are just customers as they remind us.
So we expect much more.

Why are people bashing the club without knowing what we offered ?

What is this guy worth in reality?
He is a league 1 full back with 4 months left on his contract before he can walk for nothing.

We might have offered £250k - £500k which is reasonable but Crewe for some reason could be valuing the player in the multi millions.

Just because the crewe manager didn't like the bid it doesnt mean we were wrong , they could just be being unrealistic with the valuation

Its interesting that the club gets pelted for overpaying all the time and now we are trying our luck going apparently lower , we are disgusting and useless.
Our supposed fans are shocking.

Well said Thomas, you do not as a first offer bid what you are prepared to pay, otherwise the selling club will just say it's not enough, offer more

We can only guess at what was offered, but again it seems to show that we havent got a clue about how to go about football.

This season ranks as one of the worst I have ever known and i've seen it all when we just finished outside the bottom 2 of the old division 4, beaten at home by 5 by Maidstone, and Cambridge hitting 8 against us at Ninian.

I wont board bash, there is no longer any point. I just hope Dalman et al read this forum.

Shame on Cardiff City.

One of our best ever right backs was on TV tonight,Mark Delaney was signed from the Welsh League! It’s called negotiating, you don’t initially offer the price the selling club want unless your name is Warnock!

Interesting, I still think the dark days of the early nineties were worse. I remember watching us at Torquay literally thinking I can play as good this! The rebrand was unforgivable, Tan has made other mistakes too but I don't feel the same sense of gloom about the club and the season. Always glass half full!

But we were a lower league club and we had low crowds and no expectations, we never expected much and we played week in week out Hartlepool, Darlinghton, Halifax , Rochdale, Torquay etc
Players played for the shirt, it was a different world.
If we lost, as long as they gave 100% we went home happy.
I watched City 9 yrs in league 4, never missed one home or away game during that time.

I have had a season season ticket for 49 consecutive seasons.

My family sponsored players, matches and sponsored local players etc
I would actually have tears in my eyes in matches we won and lost.


But I can tell you now I was proud in them days of my club, the badge, the shirt and the closeness of our club.

Now I would never shed a tear, these owners have broken me and many others I know.

Our owners today act like they are Prem, so we expect that in return.
Our club now keeps a distance from its fans and we are just customers as they remind us.
So we expect much more.

Well said

We can only guess at what was offered, but again it seems to show that we havent got a clue about how to go about football.

This season ranks as one of the worst I have ever known and i've seen it all when we just finished outside the bottom 2 of the old division 4, beaten at home by 5 by Maidstone, and Cambridge hitting 8 against us at Ninian.

I wont board bash, there is no longer any point. I just hope Dalman et al read this forum.

Shame on Cardiff City.

One of our best ever right backs was on TV tonight,Mark Delaney was signed from the Welsh League! It’s called negotiating, you don’t initially offer the price the selling club want unless your name is Warnock!

I'm not an expert negotiator of course, but perhaps a very poor opening bid that infuriates a potential seller is not good strategy. Crewe seem to be genuinely fuming

We can only guess at what was offered, but again it seems to show that we havent got a clue about how to go about football.

This season ranks as one of the worst I have ever known and i've seen it all when we just finished outside the bottom 2 of the old division 4, beaten at home by 5 by Maidstone, and Cambridge hitting 8 against us at Ninian.

I wont board bash, there is no longer any point. I just hope Dalman et al read this forum.

Shame on Cardiff City.

So you are taking the word of the Crewe manager over the club just because he thinks the offer was too low ?

You are no city fan you are just out to abuse our club and owner at every opportunity wether it is warranted or not

He may be a little misinterpreted on times but I know 'Barclay1' to be a Bluebird supporter and friend to several on this Forum

You, however...

Why are people bashing the club without knowing what we offered ?

What is this guy worth in reality?
He is a league 1 full back with 4 months left on his contract before he can walk for nothing.

We might have offered £250k - £500k which is reasonable but Crewe for some reason could be valuing the player in the multi millions.

Just because the crewe manager didn't like the bid it doesnt mean we were wrong , they could just be being unrealistic with the valuation

Its interesting that the club gets pelted for overpaying all the time and now we are trying our luck going apparently lower , we are disgusting and useless.
Our supposed fans are shocking.

Well said Thomas, you do not as a first offer bid what you are prepared to pay, otherwise the selling club will just say it's not enough, offer more

There's negotiating to be done for sure. However, Cardiff been accused by Crewe of taking the p*ss and made it public. Sounds bitter

Why are people bashing the club without knowing what we offered ?

What is this guy worth in reality?
He is a league 1 full back with 4 months left on his contract before he can walk for nothing.

We might have offered £250k - £500k which is reasonable but Crewe for some reason could be valuing the player in the multi millions.

Just because the crewe manager didn't like the bid it doesnt mean we were wrong , they could just be being unrealistic with the valuation

Its interesting that the club gets pelted for overpaying all the time and now we are trying our luck going apparently lower , we are disgusting and useless.
Our supposed fans are shocking.

Well said Thomas, you do not as a first offer bid what you are prepared to pay, otherwise the selling club will just say it's not enough, offer more

There's negotiating to be done for sure. However, Cardiff been accused by Crewe of taking the p*ss and made it public. Sounds bitter

or maybe just drawing attention to the fact they have a player of interest to a championship club ....in all seriousness how much can 4 months of a league 1 fullbacks contract be worth in compensation ? ..not much is the answer unless of course you have 2 parties both interested..

Unfortunately the likes of little Crewe are going to have to suck it up. Gone are the days of inflated prices and wages.

We’ve suffered from it already with Etheridge and Paterson and gained with the likes of Moore.

There are going to be hundreds of little old Crewe having to sell their players for less inflated prices that’s why there is a salary cap in divisions 1 & 2 and will be throughout the system eventually.

Just guessing if we offered 200k why offer more when we can get him for nothing in August it’s a no brainier.

We can only guess at what was offered, but again it seems to show that we havent got a clue about how to go about football.

This season ranks as one of the worst I have ever known and i've seen it all when we just finished outside the bottom 2 of the old division 4, beaten at home by 5 by Maidstone, and Cambridge hitting 8 against us at Ninian.

I wont board bash, there is no longer any point. I just hope Dalman et al read this forum.

Shame on Cardiff City.

So you are taking the word of the Crewe manager over the club just because he thinks the offer was too low ?

You are no city fan you are just out to abuse our club and owner at every opportunity wether it is warranted or not

He may be a little misinterpreted on times but I know 'Barclay1' to be a Bluebird supporter and friend to several on this Forum

You, however...

Really couldn't care what you think, be been on here probably 8/10 years , Ive been a season ticket holder since the 80s . Even Now (lockdown aside) that I've moved away I still travel 200 miles every game to watch city .

My support for my club is not in question and real supporters don't bash the club and try to make it look bad for no reason whatsoever.

And actually you probably do know me , now that's a thinker. Shall we play guess who ?

Transfer valuations are usually a minefield. The selling clubs want the highest fee possible and the buying club want to pick up the player for as little as possible. All transfers are the same

To put it in perspective, say another championship club came in for Tomlin this window

There would be people on here saying he is injury prone and we should let him leave for nothing to save on his wages, while others would be disgusted if we sold him for less than £3 million as he is possibly our best player when fit

So who would be right and have the correct transfer fee??

It’s only the Crewe’s Managers opinion it’s a poor offer doesn’t mean that it actually is for a player who can leave for nothing in as few months time

Well I would rather this response from Crewe than if we over paid which we have criticised the club for before. Rather than instantly jumping on the negative bandwagon why can’t we be pleased that during this ridiculously difficult time we are actually trying to spend money and buy a right back? We have been demanding one for ages.
Let’s see how it plays out. I like many others have lost faith in the team management but at least he is trying buy a right back. Positivity alert!!!

Interesting, I still think the dark days of the early nineties were worse. I remember watching us at Torquay literally thinking I can play as good this! The rebrand was unforgivable, Tan has made other mistakes too but I don't feel the same sense of gloom about the club and the season. Always glass half full!

But we were a lower league club and we had low crowds and no expectations, we never expected much and we played week in week out Hartlepool, Darlinghton, Halifax , Rochdale, Torquay etc
Players played for the shirt, it was a different world.
If we lost, as long as they gave 100% we went home happy.
I watched City 9 yrs in league 4, never missed one home or away game during that time.

I have had a season season ticket for 49 consecutive seasons.

My family sponsored players, matches and sponsored local players etc
I would actually have tears in my eyes in matches we won and lost.


But I can tell you now I was proud in them days of my club, the badge, the shirt and the closeness of our club.

Now I would never shed a tear, these owners have broken me and many others I know.

Our owners today act like they are Prem, so we expect that in return.
Our club now keeps a distance from its fans and we are just customers as they remind us.
So we expect much more.

Well said

Hahaha now there's a turn up for the books.

I remember those days well. I lived away then but use to go to any game when Cardiff were in town, Lincoln, Hartlepool, Doncaster to name a few. I would recognise the same guys there and fair play to them although small in number, perhaps half a coach load, they made as much noise as the home crowd. A right rowdy mob they were.

WOW lot of knock the owner who has financially kept us afloat and reduced our debt massively who has stuck around despite the abuse he has received
He made a mistake which he reversed the rebrand being dragged up constantly which should IMO left in the past
Give me ONE good reason still dragging up the rebrand mistake does to the benefit of the club please
Crewe got a value for a player unproven at championship with only sixteen weeks not a lot when you say it like that left on his contract
Cardiff city in today’s unprecedented times COVID no fans through gates etc etc have their value
In defence of our club and a message to Crewe
If your not happy with our offer for your player

Fair play there are some right drama queen's on here. Talk about a complete over reaction

The club put an offer in (which one no one knows what it was or if an official bid was even made) which is rejected and people are embarrassed because their manager doesn't like it? ffs, get a grip like. We've tried to get an out of contract player on the cheap. Big deal. Well done to the club for trying to do better business.

The board have been slammed for massively over paying on players who havnt been good enough, Flint, Murphy etc. And now its embarrassing because the club have apparently put in a low bid for a player? its how deals are done. We will have our valuation and they'll have theirs. We bid, they say no and we bid again. If a deal is to be done, the transfer will be somewhere in the middle. The alternative is we come straight in with a high offer and potentially over pay on a player.

Absolutely agree Lew.

I used the ‘drama queen’ analogy on another thread and so many of the posters on here are just looking to moan about the club at any excuse.

Why shouldn’t the club negotiate especially in these times?

If Crewe think the initial offer is too low then f**k em. We either go back with an improved bid or walk away. No different to any other club including the biggest clubs in the world relatively speaking.

Why are people bashing the club without knowing what we offered ?

What is this guy worth in reality?
He is a league 1 full back with 4 months left on his contract before he can walk for nothing.

We might have offered £250k - £500k which is reasonable but Crewe for some reason could be valuing the player in the multi millions.

Just because the crewe manager didn't like the bid it doesnt mean we were wrong , they could just be being unrealistic with the valuation

Its interesting that the club gets pelted for overpaying all the time and now we are trying our luck going apparently lower , we are disgusting and useless.
Our supposed fans are shocking.

Couldn’t have worded it better myself and just to add, surely Cardiff City are entitled to make a bid of any amount, just as the players current team are within their right to refuse the offer. I’d rather go through the negotiations process and risk missing out, than overpay.

Why are people bashing the club without knowing what we offered ?

What is this guy worth in reality?
He is a league 1 full back with 4 months left on his contract before he can walk for nothing.

We might have offered £250k - £500k which is reasonable but Crewe for some reason could be valuing the player in the multi millions.

Just because the crewe manager didn't like the bid it doesnt mean we were wrong , they could just be being unrealistic with the valuation

Its interesting that the club gets pelted for overpaying all the time and now we are trying our luck going apparently lower , we are disgusting and useless.
Our supposed fans are shocking.

Couldn’t have worded it better myself and just to add, surely Cardiff City are entitled to make a bid of any amount, just as the players current team are within their right to refuse the offer. I’d rather go through the negotiations process and risk missing out, than overpay.

Exactly mate and Thomasblue is right.
So many snowflakes on here it’s getting beyond.

We can only guess at what was offered, but again it seems to show that we havent got a clue about how to go about football.

This season ranks as one of the worst I have ever known and i've seen it all when we just finished outside the bottom 2 of the old division 4, beaten at home by 5 by Maidstone, and Cambridge hitting 8 against us at Ninian.

I wont board bash, there is no longer any point. I just hope Dalman et al read this forum.

Shame on Cardiff City.

One of our best ever right backs was on TV tonight,Mark Delaney was signed from the Welsh League! It’s called negotiating, you don’t initially offer the price the selling club want unless your name is Warnock!

I'm not an expert negotiator of course, but perhaps a very poor opening bid that infuriates a potential seller is not good strategy. Crewe seem to be genuinely fuming

Or is their manager trying to stir up as much interest as possible for a player that will probably leave for free in the summer?

Fair play there are some right drama queen's on here. Talk about a complete over reaction

The club put an offer in (which one no one knows what it was or if an official bid was even made) which is rejected and people are embarrassed because their manager doesn't like it? ffs, get a grip like. We've tried to get an out of contract player on the cheap. Big deal. Well done to the club for trying to do better business.

The board have been slammed for massively over paying on players who havnt been good enough, Flint, Murphy etc. And now its embarrassing because the club have apparently put in a low bid for a player? its how deals are done. We will have our valuation and they'll have theirs. We bid, they say no and we bid again. If a deal is to be done, the transfer will be somewhere in the middle. The alternative is we come straight in with a high offer and potentially over pay on a player.

Absolutely agree Lew.

I used the ‘drama queen’ analogy on another thread and so many of the posters on here are just looking to moan about the club at any excuse.

Why shouldn’t the club negotiate especially in these times?

If Crewe think the initial offer is too low then f**k em. We either go back with an improved bid or walk away. No different to any other club including the biggest clubs in the world relatively speaking.

Exactly. If Crewe want to miss out on a potential better deal, either directly from us or by us driving up bids from other clubs, then fine. Their loss.

Theres plenty to be negative about at the moment. Trying to get a player on the cheap isn't one of them. Seems some people will find any excuse to bash the club they apparently support. Its embarrassing.

It’s unbelievable that anyone can see what the screws manager has said as an issue.

Some people on here moan about the debt and how the club have wasted money or sold players on the cheap - they are now criticising the club because we may not be spending enough or trying to players on the cheap!

There were even people earlier in the week saying we have no ambition going after him as how could he be good enough for us?!

Firstly nobody knows what Crewe value him at and what we offered - we could have offered £1m for all we know and they value him at £2m. Clearly that won’t be the case, but the point is that Crewe making that statement means absolutely nothing without context.

They are just trying to drum up interest for a player who is out of contract in a few months time. If we have offered low, it’s a valid negotiating stance and even more so in the current climate.

It’s a real shame that some people seem to be backing Crewe more than our own club, but seems to be the norm now.