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Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:41 pm
Total Covid deaths in Australia:
909
Covid deaths in UK in last 24 hours:
1162
Utterly tragic. This government has failed us completely.
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:54 pm
Correct but not just uk infection rate very high across Europe.
Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:49 am
As someone who lives in australia we have been able to close borders to all countries and including different states.
There has been lockdowns which you couldnt go futher than 20kms from your own house unless you have to work etc.
My state (Western Australia) has really only now started to let people in without having to isolate but our premier doesnt hesitate to close the border to certain states if there is any cases of COVID in the community.
I believe we are 270+ days without a community transmission of COVID here in WA. The only actives cases are return travellers who are in hotel quarrentine.
What are the Lockdown procedures in the UK? You guys are still able to travel through europe etc without having to isolate????
Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:15 am
Its not just UK. Spain has over 50000 deaths still getting over 20000 cases a day.they had a very strict lockdown.France and Italy similar to Britain 70000 deaths.
Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:24 am
Perth_bluebird wrote:As someone who lives in australia we have been able to close borders to all countries and including different states.
There has been lockdowns which you couldnt go futher than 20kms from your own house unless you have to work etc.
My state (Western Australia) has really only now started to let people in without having to isolate but our premier doesnt hesitate to close the border to certain states if there is any cases of COVID in the community.
I believe we are 270+ days without a community transmission of COVID here in WA. The only actives cases are return travellers who are in hotel quarrentine.
What are the Lockdown procedures in the UK? You guys are still able to travel through europe etc without having to isolate????
Comparison with Australia or New Zealand for that matter is barely relevant. They really have enormous geographical advantages when it comes to dealing with a disease largely needing close contact. They're remote, have a hundredth of the population density of the UK. Clearly a zero approach helps, I see they've locked down Brisbane today on the basis of a single positive test. Hardly practical here we had 400k last week. An average age 6 years younger will help enormously with the sickness and mortality rate.
Of more interest how we compare with like countries. What I find interesting is the countries who were vaunted for dealing with it very well on the basis of their " state of the art " test and track systems are now wallowing in this infection mire much like the rest of us. What were the likes of Germany, Slovakia, Czech Rep etc doing last time that they're not doing now ? I see even Ireland who are practically at the end of the European world have had 14.5 k positive tests in two days. That's equivalent to us having nearly 200k in 2 days. So why did these countries fare so better the first time round. Clearly nothing they knowingly did or surely they'd still be doing it.
Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:51 am
Exactly Spain was hailed as a model lockdown.now they've hit over 50000 dead .france and Italy similar to us at 70000
Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:17 am
What are the infection rates like in Sweden? I understand their lockdowns are a lot less stringent than anywhere else.
Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:30 am
It’s difficult to compare one country to another and impossible to compare the UK with Australia.
I was in Australia a week before lockdown and a friend who lives in Perth has just told me that things there are pretty much normal. Saying that, Perth is one of the most isolated cities in the world.
The one thing they did right - as did Thailand - was to restrict entry to travellers earlier than we are now doing.
Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:40 am
Ray Bishop wrote:What are the infection rates like in Sweden? I understand their lockdowns are a lot less stringent than anywhere else.
Sweden’s ‘lockdowns’ we’re all voluntary but now they are getting higher infection rates per population than anywhere in Europe apparently.
Strict lockdown rules are being brought in.
Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:03 am
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:Ray Bishop wrote:What are the infection rates like in Sweden? I understand their lockdowns are a lot less stringent than anywhere else.
Sweden’s ‘lockdowns’ we’re all voluntary but now they are getting higher infection rates per population than anywhere in Europe apparently.
Strict lockdown rules are being brought in.
I'm not supporting the approach in Sweden, far from it but they currently have the 14th highest infection rate in Europe and 18th highest death rate. Very high in comparison with neighbours Finland and Norway but as is everywhere else bar The Isle of Man. Infections are up across Europe due mainly to testing and they don't appear much worse there than the average. The voluntary lockdown was pretty well observed by the elderly but they suffered with high mortality just like they have everywhere else. They'll be an interesting comparison when they analyse the stats at the end of this. I suspect they'll come to the conclusion that not much more could have been done with the the way western Europe lives it life. An average age10 years higher than most of the rest of the world, densely populated and used to huge levels of personal freedoms. All big factors against naturally tackling this disease.
Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:43 pm
We are an island,and as such had complete control of closing borders/flights in and out,the sad truth is the government as they have many times,screwed it up royally!! No checks on returning ex pats,stranded citizens,plus plenty of flights to affected areas still operating,all without so much as a temperature check on incoming passengers,citizens included.
Race meeting allowed to carry on,60k a day over 3 days!! Football fans allowed in,in numbers from a known infected country etc etc. Is it any wonder its got to the state it is,?
Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:56 pm
How come Spain is so bad then?.they had very tough lock down from day one but still have had over 50000 deaths and still getting a lot of cases.
Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:50 pm
Perth_bluebird wrote:As someone who lives in australia we have been able to close borders to all countries and including different states.
There has been lockdowns which you couldnt go futher than 20kms from your own house unless you have to work etc.
My state (Western Australia) has really only now started to let people in without having to isolate but our premier doesnt hesitate to close the border to certain states if there is any cases of COVID in the community.
I believe we are 270+ days without a community transmission of COVID here in WA. The only actives cases are return travellers who are in hotel quarrentine.
What are the Lockdown procedures in the UK? You guys are still able to travel through europe etc without having to isolate????
Nah.. my brother just gone back, had to test negative in UK, and is in 7 day isolation in Germany. It’s spread here because some people don’t give a monkeys.. all the high rates in Cardiff are in the student areas.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:19 am
Covid-19: UK sees highest daily toll of 1,325 deaths
A further 1,325 people have died in the UK within 28 days of a positive Covid test - the biggest figure reported in a single day since the pandemic began.
It means there have been just short of 80,000 deaths by that measure - as another 68,053 new cases were recorded.
Public Health England (PHE) said the number of deaths would "continue to rise until we stop the spread".
It comes as the government launches a new campaign in England urging people to "act like you've got" the virus.
The campaign, including an advert fronted by England's chief medical officer, Prof Chris Whitty, is intended to remind the public Covid is spreading fast, with large numbers showing no symptoms.
'Alarming rate'
In the advert, Prof Whitty says: "Covid-19, especially the new variant, is spreading quickly across the country.
"This puts many people at risk of serious disease and is placing a lot of pressure on our NHS.
"Once more, we must all stay home. If it is essential to go out remember, wash your hands, cover your face indoors and keep your distance from others."
Prime Minister Boris Johnson said: "Our hospitals are under more pressure than at any other time since the start of the pandemic, and infection rates across the entire country continue to soar at an alarming rate."
Hospital leaders have warned of stretched staffing with 31,624 coronavirus patients in UK hospitals on Wednesday - 46% above the peak during the first wave last year.
Dr Ian Higginson, vice president of Royal College of Emergency Medicine, said the situation in London and south-east England was "pretty dire" and would get worse in the rest of the country before long.
"We're heading for some really dark times, I fear, in this phase of the pandemic," he said.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:21 am
Friday saw 619,941 tests conducted in the 24 hours to 09:00 GMT - also a new record.
England, much of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland continue to be under strict national measures, with stay-at-home orders in place for most people.
The R number - the rate at which an infected person passes on the virus to someone else - is now estimated to be between 1.0 to 1.4, meaning the epidemic is growing between 0% and 6% per day.
Covid infections rose by almost a third between Boxing Day and 3 January, reaching 70,000 new cases a day according to a major study.
In a different piece of research, an estimated 1.2 million people in total had Covid over a similar time period, the Office for National Statistics said.
Boris Johnson pledged on Thursday to use England's lockdown to implement an "unprecedented national effort" to offer vaccination to those at the highest risk from Covid by 15 February.
He said the Army would be drafted in to use "battle preparation techniques" to achieve the goal, which could see up to 15 million people offered a vaccine by the middle of next month.
In another development, from next week all travellers to the UK will need to show a recent negative test result before they arrive.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:24 am
bluesince62 wrote:We are an island,and as such had complete control of closing borders/flights in and out,the sad truth is the government as they have many times,screwed it up royally!! No checks on returning ex pats,stranded citizens,plus plenty of flights to affected areas still operating,all without so much as a temperature check on incoming passengers,citizens included.
Race meeting allowed to carry on,60k a day over 3 days!! Football fans allowed in,in numbers from a known infected country etc etc. Is it any wonder its got to the state it is,?
yes we are and have had incoming flights... but only from countries with flights running and that have airports open... we are by no means unique ..as for the cheltenham festival..really ? .. there were 10s of millions out the following weekend in cities and towns all over Europe { people feared restrictions so went for it everywhere } .and a full fixture list the weekend prior right across Europe even in countries at the time far more effected by it than ourselves . .no doubt with hindsight lots would be different but not just here...at the point where the Cheltenham festrival started we had a combined total of 293 cases and 3 deaths.....and nobody saw what was to come or whats happening now did they ? what all governments had to go on was..China had gone into initial meltdown...locked down and sorted it... ? or so it seemed..so lockdown...
Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:51 am
In my opinion, the reason why there's not many cases here in Australia and we are leading pretty much normal pre covid lives, is that we banned Aussie citizens from trading abroad and banned everyone from travelling here apart from those with exemptions or returning convicts. Those who are allowed to enter Australia have to do 14 days compulsory quarantine in medi hotels under guard. It is expensive and removes your right to travel but it is why my brewery can mostly remain open and we can lead normal lives and keep the economy going. My business is currently closed for three days as Brisbane lock down due to one case in the community. It's really strict but it seems to work. Meanwhile in the UK.... People were going on overseas holidays, people could fly into the UK from many countries etc. That's the difference.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:48 am
Sadly, too many people don't take the restrictions seriously enough. The student aspect has not been a factor since September. Rates in Merthyr, Bridgend, RCT and even Vale of Glamorgan have been higher than Cardiff for weeks now so this is no longer about university campus spread though that didn't help earlier for sure
rumpo kid wrote:Perth_bluebird wrote:As someone who lives in australia we have been able to close borders to all countries and including different states.
There has been lockdowns which you couldnt go futher than 20kms from your own house unless you have to work etc.
My state (Western Australia) has really only now started to let people in without having to isolate but our premier doesnt hesitate to close the border to certain states if there is any cases of COVID in the community.
I believe we are 270+ days without a community transmission of COVID here in WA. The only actives cases are return travellers who are in hotel quarrentine.
What are the Lockdown procedures in the UK? You guys are still able to travel through europe etc without having to isolate????
Nah.. my brother just gone back, had to test negative in UK, and is in 7 day isolation in Germany. It’s spread here because some people don’t give a monkeys.. all the high rates in Cardiff are in the student areas.
Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:21 am
Well whatever Italy and France are doing isn't working as they are on par with us at 70000 deaths.
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