As of 19th March Covid19 is no longer

Considered to be a high consequence infectious disease HCID in the U.K.
now this is in the GOV.UK site so look up the whole article yourself.

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Noted

was said on here numerous times back in March........

was said on here numerous times back in March........

Boris said 5th April - U - TURN

And...????

ALSO note that it says March in 2020 sooo yeah March of this year not next.

And...

Knees and Toes ...

When the covid comes down from the Rhondda
I'll be there.
With my little chip and vaccine I'll be there.

ALSO note that it says March in 2020 sooo yeah March of this year not next.

Yes Sam, March 2020, people post anything to promote conspiracy theories. Totally irrelevant information posted from last March:banghead:

Most don’t really get the point of the post. Ohh well as you were quaking in ya boots lol

I will pass this information on to the families of the 2 people that I know of who lost their lives to the virus since Christmas. Also to friends I have who are working on the NHS frontline desperately trying to cope with the current situation.
Should be a great comfort to them.

I will pass this information on to the families of the 2 people that I know of who lost their lives to the virus since Christmas. Also to friends I have who are working on the NHS frontline desperately trying to cope with the current situation.
Should be a great comfort to them.

Happy New Year to you.....I am truly sorry for your loss, and for anybody who has lost loved ones or friends.

But as we are in a New Year there also needs to be a new sense of realism and perspective in all of this.

This nasty virus is not the total killer that many thought it was 9-10 months ago, when we were all trying to get our heads around WTF was going on. The official figures (which I eye with a massive dose of scepticism BTW) prove this......and yes, I can see the dichotomy in my own sentence.

I have always believed that when your numbers' up, it's up.....and maybe this has helped me in keeping a level head in a crazy world and thus not fearing this virus as so many others seem too.

Even with an effective vaccine, this virus is not going to dissapear, so we have to learn to live with it. For anybody who thinks that lockdowns, and all the other freedom grabs that have been implemented, are going to somehow miraculously get rid of a nasty virus you are sorely mistaken.

So my message to all of you is get on with your lives, don't be reckless, but equally don't be told what you can and cannot do by some mystic power called Government and MSM. You were born to be free.......please exercise that natural right.

Most don’t really get the point of the post. Ohh well as you were quaking in ya boots lol

People get blinded by the numbers and statistics presented on the hour every single day for 10 months. There are another set of statistics that are there to be read and studied by all, but there has been a concerted drive by Govt. Health Bodies, main sections of media, to impress upon the population how to behave in order to limit transmission.

Slightly off-topic, but if you take a while and study the cases of infections throughout the UK throughout the pandemic, there isn't actually any corellation showing numbers dropping after lockdowns etc. - the trend is actually upward. In hindsight it surely would have been better to let those safe to work, go to school, go outdoors, etc, to do so, whilst specifically protecting the vulnerable via homecare visits etc, the 98% who are most at risk..

So Nothing to worry about as it is all going away not rising at all, it's all a government plot

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I will pass this information on to the families of the 2 people that I know of who lost their lives to the virus since Christmas. Also to friends I have who are working on the NHS frontline desperately trying to cope with the current situation.
Should be a great comfort to them.

Happy New Year to you.....I am truly sorry for your loss, and for anybody who has lost loved ones or friends.

But as we are in a New Year there also needs to be a new sense of realism and perspective in all of this.

This nasty virus is not the total killer that many thought it was 9-10 months ago, when we were all trying to get our heads around WTF was going on. The official figures (which I eye with a massive dose of scepticism BTW) prove this......and yes, I can see the dichotomy in my own sentence.

I have always believed that when your numbers' up, it's up.....and maybe this has helped me in keeping a level head in a crazy world and thus not fearing this virus as so many others seem too.

Even with an effective vaccine, this virus is not going to dissapear, so we have to learn to live with it. For anybody who thinks that lockdowns, and all the other freedom grabs that have been implemented, are going to somehow miraculously get rid of a nasty virus you are sorely mistaken.

So my message to all of you is get on with your lives, don't be reckless, but equally don't be told what you can and cannot do by some mystic power called Government and MSM. You were born to be free.......please exercise that natural right.

I think most healthy people under 60 arent really worried about it for themselves but know it can be dangerous to elderly or relatives and friends with serious conditions.

People know it won't disappear and are trying to get on with their lives as much as they possibly can, what the doubters really need to get their heads around is the fact that unless measures are implemented the NHS won't be able to cope.

No government can allow a countries health service to be totally overrun and leave the population dying both from covid and respiratory illnesses in addition to strokes, heart attacks and other serious conditions that could be saved if emergency wards and ICU have beds and staff to save them.

I'm against lockdowns really, but as we've just seen people can't be trusted to be sensible, there are always going to be some people that will ignore the distancing and handwashing measures and mix and spread the virus, which seems to be far more transmissible than most other respiratory viruses.

I can't stand Drakeford or the Welsh assembly and want it shut down as quickly as possible but with regards, this virus he has little choice but to shut things down as the welsh NHS is in such a state it will be completely overrun in the next two weeks after the Christmas indoor super spreading event!

I will pass this information on to the families of the 2 people that I know of who lost their lives to the virus since Christmas. Also to friends I have who are working on the NHS frontline desperately trying to cope with the current situation.
Should be a great comfort to them.

Happy New Year to you.....I am truly sorry for your loss, and for anybody who has lost loved ones or friends.

But as we are in a New Year there also needs to be a new sense of realism and perspective in all of this.

This nasty virus is not the total killer that many thought it was 9-10 months ago, when we were all trying to get our heads around WTF was going on. The official figures (which I eye with a massive dose of scepticism BTW) prove this......and yes, I can see the dichotomy in my own sentence.

I have always believed that when your numbers' up, it's up.....and maybe this has helped me in keeping a level head in a crazy world and thus not fearing this virus as so many others seem too.

What a great post

Even with an effective vaccine, this virus is not going to dissapear, so we have to learn to live with it. For anybody who thinks that lockdowns, and all the other freedom grabs that have been implemented, are going to somehow miraculously get rid of a nasty virus you are sorely mistaken.

So my message to all of you is get on with your lives, don't be reckless, but equally don't be told what you can and cannot do by some mystic power called Government and MSM. You were born to be free.......please exercise that natural right.

I think most healthy people under 60 arent really worried about it for themselves but know it can be dangerous to elderly or relatives and friends with serious conditions.

People know it won't disappear and are trying to get on with their lives as much as they possibly can, what the doubters really need to get their heads around is the fact that unless measures are implemented the NHS won't be able to cope.

No government can allow a countries health service to be totally overrun and leave the population dying both from covid and respiratory illnesses in addition to strokes, heart attacks and other serious conditions that could be saved if emergency wards and ICU have beds and staff to save them.

I'm against lockdowns really, but as we've just seen people can't be trusted to be sensible, there are always going to be some people that will ignore the distancing and handwashing measures and mix and spread the virus, which seems to be far more transmissible than most other respiratory viruses.

I can't stand Drakeford or the Welsh assembly and want it shut down as quickly as possible but with regards, this virus he has little choice but to shut things down as the welsh NHS is in such a state it will be completely overrun in the next two weeks after the Christmas indoor super spreading event!

I will pass this information on to the families of the 2 people that I know of who lost their lives to the virus since Christmas. Also to friends I have who are working on the NHS frontline desperately trying to cope with the current situation.
Should be a great comfort to them.

Happy New Year to you.....I am truly sorry for your loss, and for anybody who has lost loved ones or friends.

But as we are in a New Year there also needs to be a new sense of realism and perspective in all of this.

This nasty virus is not the total killer that many thought it was 9-10 months ago, when we were all trying to get our heads around WTF was going on. The official figures (which I eye with a massive dose of scepticism BTW) prove this......and yes, I can see the dichotomy in my own sentence.

I have always believed that when your numbers' up, it's up.....and maybe this has helped me in keeping a level head in a crazy world and thus not fearing this virus as so many others seem too.

Even with an effective vaccine, this virus is not going to dissapear, so we have to learn to live with it. For anybody who thinks that lockdowns, and all the other freedom grabs that have been implemented, are going to somehow miraculously get rid of a nasty virus you are sorely mistaken.

So my message to all of you is get on with your lives, don't be reckless, but equally don't be told what you can and cannot do by some mystic power called Government and MSM. You were born to be free.......please exercise that natural right.

I think most healthy people under 60 arent really worried about it for themselves but know it can be dangerous to elderly or relatives and friends with serious conditions.

People know it won't disappear and are trying to get on with their lives as much as they possibly can, what the doubters really need to get their heads around is the fact that unless measures are implemented the NHS won't be able to cope.

No government can allow a countries health service to be totally overrun and leave the population dying both from covid and respiratory illnesses in addition to strokes, heart attacks and other serious conditions that could be saved if emergency wards and ICU have beds and staff to save them.

I'm against lockdowns really, but as we've just seen people can't be trusted to be sensible, there are always going to be some people that will ignore the distancing and handwashing measures and mix and spread the virus, which seems to be far more transmissible than most other respiratory viruses.

I can't stand Drakeford or the Welsh assembly and want it shut down as quickly as possible but with regards, this virus he has little choice but to shut things down as the welsh NHS is in such a state it will be completely overrun in the next two weeks after the Christmas indoor super spreading event!

Excellent post. Agree with you 100%

So Nothing to worry about as it is all going away not rising at all, it's all a government plot

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Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days.
I have seen with my own eyes hospitals that are supposed to be bursting at the seams. My Dad again had to go in hospital a few weeks ago at Glangwilli in Carmarthen and my mum was being pressurised not to send him in because the hospital was overrun and A&E was also overrun.
But we had to send him in no choice but we had to take clean cloths for him at his ward and to get there we had to pass through A&E and I’m telling no lies there was three people sat in A&E.
My dad was moved to another ward and my dad was deteriorating and they wouldn’t let my mum in to see him her husband of 63 years.
When he deteriorated to the point of it was coming to end of life we was allowed to see him. In his ward the first room had four beds with only one patient the next four rooms were single beds and only two used one was my dads I never saw the rest of the wards.
Unfortunately my Dad passed on the 29th.
Death rates have not gone up this year and the average over the last ten has been fairly constant but just like the lies of the hospitals we are now being told bodies are stacking up and funerals are now taking about a month. More lies.

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Nuclearblue- My sincere condolensces to you and your family after the passing of your father. I like your posts on here, you speak your mind

Condolensces to you and your family.

You said " Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days."

You really are pushing your agenda of fake news where is your proof of death by any cause? and not from your yummy facebook or other spurious outlets.
You don't think it strange that someone has died after 28 days of being tested for Covid19?
You really have a bee in your bonnet about this Covid19, more daily infections, more daily deaths rising every day!
I said before I would put you on ignore but carried on posting replies, enough is enough, that's it from me, when someone believes in a conspiracy, there is no way in the world that you would convince them otherwise!

You said " Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days."

You really are pushing your agenda of fake news where is your proof of death by any cause? and not from your yummy facebook or other spurious outlets.
You don't think it strange that someone has died after 28 days of being tested for Covid19?
You really have a bee in your bonnet about this Covid19, more daily infections, more daily deaths rising every day!
I said before I would put you on ignore but carried on posting replies, enough is enough, that's it from me, when someone believes in a conspiracy, there is no way in the world that you would convince them otherwise!

I am completely anti fake news and will highlight it as such when it's posted. Many on here know that. So only fair when I point out if it's not and on this occasion he really isn't making it up. It's widely published and has to be included on any graph or stat, such as on the BBC news.

A quick check...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

"Rules were amended over the summer to include deaths in the coronavirus total only if they occurred within 28 days of a positive test. Previously in England, all deaths after a positive test were included."


I think his point being that they are not reporting deaths from coronavirus solely. That the stats are inflated by including this caveat, I think that's obvious to see.

So Nothing to worry about as it is all going away not rising at all, it's all a government plot

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Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days.
I have seen with my own eyes hospitals that are supposed to be bursting at the seams. My Dad again had to go in hospital a few weeks ago at Glangwilli in Carmarthen and my mum was being pressurised not to send him in because the hospital was overrun and A&E was also overrun.
But we had to send him in no choice but we had to take clean cloths for him at his ward and to get there we had to pass through A&E and I’m telling no lies there was three people sat in A&E.
My dad was moved to another ward and my dad was deteriorating and they wouldn’t let my mum in to see him her husband of 63 years.
When he deteriorated to the point of it was coming to end of life we was allowed to see him. In his ward the first room had four beds with only one patient the next four rooms were single beds and only two used one was my dads I never saw the rest of the wards.
Unfortunately my Dad passed on the 29th.
Death rates have not gone up this year and the average over the last ten has been fairly constant but just like the lies of the hospitals we are now being told bodies are stacking up and funerals are now taking about a month. More lies.

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My condolences but your evidence is purely anecdotal and not at all reflective of the wider UK situation. Glangwili is a hospital that serves a town with 15,000 people and some surrounding areas, Carmarthenshire itself has 6 hospitals whilst having a total population of around 190,000 in an area of 2,400 sqkm. For context that's about 13% of all of Wales and nearly twice the size of London (~1,500 sqkm). Carmarthenshire has an extremely small population for it's size and very few large population centres. The worst hit areas for Covid are those with large, dense populations which Carmarthen and Carmarthenshire does not have.

Secondly, Covid patients won't be in A+E or on regular wards. They'll be in ICU. And this is where the major problems arise. ICU capacity is stretched extremely thin and once you run out of ICU space anyone else that needs it will most likely die. This isn't just Covid patients, it's cancer patients, heart attack victims, car crash victims, serious stabbings, extreme burn victims etc. If ICU reaches maximum capacity then it will be more than just Covid patients dying, this was the reason for the lockdown, not to eliminate the virus but to control the damage. I've tried to look if Glangwili has any ICU beds but I couldn't find any information. As mentioned in the previous paragraph, hospitals like Glangwili aren't the type to be overrun.

As for the rest of the UK though hospital admissions are rising and capacity is running out, this applies for Wales as well. There is mountains of evidence to support this.

This is a breakdown of hospital bed usage and availability in Wales which goes back to April. During the first peak in April around 1000 general hospital beds were for Covid with an additional ~200 ventilated beds occupied. In May these numbers dropped to ~900 and ~150 respectively.
June was ~750 and ~130.
July was ~500 and ~120.
August was ~300 and ~120.
The pattern is clear to see, however the numbers for December show that hospitalisations are worse than the first peak in April.
December has an average of ~2100 general beds being used for Covid and back up to ~200 ventilated beds occupied.

https://statswales.gov.wales/Catalogue/ ... y-date-use

As for your comment about death rates you're wrong, death rates have gone up.
Compare the numbers for England and Wales in 2020 compared to previous years using the ONS stats below.
The data for 2020 stops at October 31st but in short:
2020, Jan to Oct = 499,281
2019, Jan to Dec = 529,553
2018, Jan to Dec = 540,165
2017, Jan to Dec = 532,103

The November and December stats:
2019 = 92,500
2018 = 85,517
2017 = 90,528

The average deaths for November and December of the past 3 years are 89,515. If we add the average of the last 3 years to the Jan - Oct numbers for 2020 we get 588,796 deaths for 2020. If we assume the death rate for the past 2 months was in line with the average that still puts this year as the deadliest of the past 4 years and with a massive ~55,000 more deaths than usual or over 10% higher than usual. That's if the numbers stay in line with the average and don't increase.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... lresidence


Even a general look at case numbers and death numbers show that November and December have seen more cases and more deaths than during the first peak in March/April.

Same old arguments being posted here. Full of people who have no patience.
Putting the government stats aside, a pandemic is happening; people are dying of coronavirus and some hospitals are full to overflowing with covid patients. If you can't accept that and have no time for the restrictions put in place then it's your choice. Infact, if you caught the virus and it got onto your lungs, you'd soon change your tune!
I simply can't believe that the news reports from hospitals are made up with actors making it all up, even if you think the government are.

Nuclearblue- My sincere condolensces to you and your family after the passing of your father. I like your posts on here, you speak your mind

Ditto,condolences to you and yours nukes,sad time for you all.
Keep posting mate,dont worry about those who choose to ignore you,they have their mind/s set(by the bolloxks figures they wash us over with,every day!

I am 58,and as far back as I can remember, the nhs(hospitals) have ALWAYS struggled at this time of year!!
The snippets you posted just proves it! We struggle not because of covid,but because of lack of funding for extra intensive care capacity,the fault of a succession of governments cutbacks!!

Nuclearblue- My sincere condolensces to you and your family after the passing of your father. I like your posts on here, you speak your mind

Ditto,condolences to you and yours nukes,sad time for you all.
Keep posting mate,dont worry about those who choose to ignore you,they have their mind/s set(by the bolloxks figures they wash us over with,every day!

I am 58,and as far back as I can remember, the nhs(hospitals) have ALWAYS struggled at this time of year!!
The snippets you posted just proves it! We struggle not because of covid,but because of lack of funding for extra intensive care capacity,the fault of a succession of governments cutbacks!!

You said " Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days."

You really are pushing your agenda of fake news where is your proof of death by any cause? and not from your yummy facebook or other spurious outlets.
You don't think it strange that someone has died after 28 days of being tested for Covid19?
You really have a bee in your bonnet about this Covid19, more daily infections, more daily deaths rising every day!
I said before I would put you on ignore but carried on posting replies, enough is enough, that's it from me, when someone believes in a conspiracy, there is no way in the world that you would convince them otherwise!

To question the prevailing zeitgeist isn't 'conspiracy theory'. Some people aren't content to accept every word that comes out of the Authorities and Government's mouths as gospel. For every doctor you see or hear on the BBC spreading panic as they tell us we're close to Armageddon there are another 100 who are calmly getting on with their job without drama. It's healthy to debate. No doubt you're still waiting for those WMD's that Toni Blair and George Bush told us were hidden, to turn up..

You said " Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days."

You really are pushing your agenda of fake news where is your proof of death by any cause? and not from your yummy facebook or other spurious outlets.
You don't think it strange that someone has died after 28 days of being tested for Covid19?
You really have a bee in your bonnet about this Covid19, more daily infections, more daily deaths rising every day!
I said before I would put you on ignore but carried on posting replies, enough is enough, that's it from me, when someone believes in a conspiracy, there is no way in the world that you would convince them otherwise!

its not fake news though its something most people know and his links are not from facebook.
using conspiracy theory, fake news and hoax all the time does not change the facts that you are afraid to accept... ...

You said " Total deaths is a sham it was death from any cause within 60 days of a positive Covid test, it is now 28 days."

You really are pushing your agenda of fake news where is your proof of death by any cause? and not from your yummy facebook or other spurious outlets.
You don't think it strange that someone has died after 28 days of being tested for Covid19?
You really have a bee in your bonnet about this Covid19, more daily infections, more daily deaths rising every day!
I said before I would put you on ignore but carried on posting replies, enough is enough, that's it from me, when someone believes in a conspiracy, there is no way in the world that you would convince them otherwise!

its not fake news though its something most people know and his links are not from facebook.
using conspiracy theory, fake news and hoax all the time does not change the facts that you are afraid to accept... ...

Oh but it does! Saves them from looking for themselves,the hospitals have been at "breaking point" for the last ten years+,why didnt we lockdown at them times,to ease the pressure? Yes there was no corona,but didnt stop the hospitals being full at winter! For the simple reason,we dont have eniugh icu beds,especially in wales! We are simply underfunded by consecutive goverments,and even when covid is done,hospitals will be shouting the same as they are now,EVERY WINTER.

Same old arguments being posted here. Full of people who have no patience.
Putting the government stats aside, a pandemic is happening; people are dying of coronavirus and some hospitals are full to overflowing with covid patients. If you can't accept that and have no time for the restrictions put in place then it's your choice. Infact, if you caught the virus and it got onto your lungs, you'd soon change your tune!
I simply can't believe that the news reports from hospitals are made up with actors making it all up, even if you think the government are.

will this patience return to life those whose deaths would normally have been avoided...shorten NHS waiting lists. cure depression, stop suicides... re create jobs... return the money people have lost and clear the debts many now have...send people back in time to spend some of it with lost loved ones, time theyve been deprived of... and will it mean our children and grandchildren will not have to pay for this over decades.... ?
im ok too mate but that does not mean everyone else is...