" To put some perspective into our position "

" To put some perspective into our position "


I have been looking at what it has taken to reach the playoffs in the Championship since title was changed from League 1. The teams that have made the playoffs at the end of the season (6th place) those clubs have on average gained 36 points after 23 games.

After last night the very best we can achieve is 32 points IF we beat Rotherham on Saturday and I think that is a very big IF the way we are playing. So in reality what are the chances of us actually making the playoffs? well I think history tells us there is more chance that Trump will be declared the winner of the US Election. So should the focus of the club actually change from reaching the top 6 to getting to a point of safety. For safety we only need 7 wins and out of 24 games and that sounds easy but the way we are playing is it.

Last season the Jacks made the playoffs with 70 points and they had 37 after 23 games, in the 2nd half of the season they won just 8 games, Forest lost out on goal difference again they had 37 points after 23 games and again they also won just 8 of their last 23 games. Then look at Hull after 23 games they had 33 points, more than we will have if we win at Rotherham, their league position was 11th we are currently 15th and even with a win on Saturday our best place would be 11th. Hull made changes in January including selling Jarrod Bowen and went on to win just 3 of their last 23 games finishing bottom.

In my opinion we are in a worse position than when the club got rid of Trollope and in NH we have a manager who must, in my opinion, take the lions share of the blame for the position we find ourselves in. To use HIS own words he is the one who advices the Committee, he is the one who has spoken about the both the quality and numbers in the squad being fine. He is the one who accepted the challenge of making the top 6, in fact it was only last week he was accepting that a top 2 finish was gone, No shit Sherlock. In the last 17 years only one team, a Roy Keane inspired Sunderland, have gained automatic promotion from such a poor position and they had 34 points after 23 games, but Sunderland went on to win 17 of their remaining 23 games and clinch the title. No chance of anything like that off NH.

Our owner needs to wake up and smell the coffee and quickly in my opinion because, as Hull proved last season, it's only to easy to completely implode and get relegated. Every second that NH remains that nightmare grows bigger.

There are good proven managers available with the likes of Pearson and Pulis being the outstanding, so for me our club needs to move quickly and support him in January.

Superb post and something i have eluded too in other posts.

Unfortunately VT will only move when we are heading down, and that is way too late.

Relegation and implosion of this group is happening, the same as at Hull.

Oh for a decent manager who can gel this group together before it is too late.

Gary, excellent post backed up by facts

Let's hope the board take notice of what the fans are saying for once m8

Great thoughts from Gary once again; and they sum it up nicely...

Gary, excellent post backed up by facts

Thanks Annis. You have been saying for a few weeks now that VT should back NH in the January transfer window a point of view I absolutely agree with, except I want a different manager to splash the cash.

The question is now if you were VT would you give NH a single penny? I wouldn't which is why I've wanted him gone for weeks.

The thing is with little or no money around in football I think this is the perfect time to buy because you will probably get fantastic value for money. For me it needs an owner with balls to grab the bull by the horns get the right manager and support him with the cash.

No team has taken this division by the throat yet so anything is still possible.

Superb post. Time is ebbing away fast, and the longer action is delayed, the worse it’s going to get for our club!!!

Well written and informative post, foresight and stark reality.

Superb post sadly the 3 people who need to take note tan choo and dalman probably won't.

Gary, excellent post backed up by facts

Thanks Annis. You have been saying for a few weeks now that VT should back NH in the January transfer window a point of view I absolutely agree with, except I want a different manager to splash the cash.

The question is now if you were VT would you give NH a single penny? I wouldn't which is why I've wanted him gone for weeks.

The thing is with little or no money around in football I think this is the perfect time to buy because you will probably get fantastic value for money. For me it needs an owner with balls to grab the bull by the horns get the right manager and support him with the cash.

No team has taken this division by the throat yet so anything is still possible.

An owner with football knowledge or expert advice around him. We don't have that which is my worry.

Excellent OP

The question is what we do for the second half a season. The playoffs are gone, we just need to ensure our championship status and we'll do that comfortably when Kieffer is back.

Do we think he is the man and this is the start of a transition. What we say to Harris and the media (fans) are two completely different things, keep the money tight and above all don't get relegated ? Obviously playoff would be nice.

Or is he not the man and start the hunt for the next manager now, no point sacking him yet though as the bloke we want is already employed.

Sack him and bring in a caretaker... Can't see that

Kieffer Moore is the biggest loss as we do not have a replacement. 1.5 seasons in, I can now see what Bobby Glatzel does, he is a link up player who is good around or in the box. But we don't have the passing ability to move the ball forward in a controlled manner or playing through the thirds. So we play him as a back to goal target man and he isn't.
Harris is shagged either way and that's why we look terrible.

I think they'll stick with him and they'll be lots of movement in the summer.

Superb post sadly the 3 people who need to take note tan choo and dalman probably won't.

Don’t worry they have taken note but Tan is the only one who will or will not change the manager.

Gary, excellent post backed up by facts

Thanks Annis. You have been saying for a few weeks now that VT should back NH in the January transfer window a point of view I absolutely agree with, except I want a different manager to splash the cash.

The question is now if you were VT would you give NH a single penny? I wouldn't which is why I've wanted him gone for weeks.

The thing is with little or no money around in football I think this is the perfect time to buy because you will probably get fantastic value for money. For me it needs an owner with balls to grab the bull by the horns get the right manager and support him with the cash.

No team has taken this division by the throat yet so anything is still possible.

A good post but I’ve said before that I don’t want the club giving Harris any money this transfer window.

Gary, excellent post backed up by facts

Thanks Annis. You have been saying for a few weeks now that VT should back NH in the January transfer window a point of view I absolutely agree with, except I want a different manager to splash the cash.

The question is now if you were VT would you give NH a single penny? I wouldn't which is why I've wanted him gone for weeks.

The thing is with little or no money around in football I think this is the perfect time to buy because you will probably get fantastic value for money. For me it needs an owner with balls to grab the bull by the horns get the right manager and support him with the cash.

No team has taken this division by the throat yet so anything is still possible.

Gary,

Once again, you make many valid points
The problem is, if your backing Harris to stay beyond the transfer market closing, then he needs to be backed, because if he feels he cant back him with money, then he has NO faith in Neil Harris so there for Harris should not be kept on.

To be fair Harris has done a Russell Slade for Tan, cleared a lot of expensive dead wood and reduced the wages. They have also sold numerous players, without buying as many. So no money spent out under Harris.

23 players including 10 under 23's have gone and only 3 permanent signings brought in by Harris in over a year.
Loan signings on the whole, very good

Harris originally kept saying, he still had a big squad, full of quality, exactly what Dalman wanted him to say.
Then we lost at home to Forest and Harris spoke out, but with in 48hrs, Dalman silenced Harris.

The last month all Harris done is moan, moan, moan.

You, myself and everyone knows, during Oct,Nov, Dec clubs get injuries and suspensions, so our squad would never be big enough IF, we want to get promotion.

If we sack Harris, only another yes man would take our club on with NO money.

I am with you, now is the time with a bit of money, we could steal players.

This season, we had £36mill last parachute payment, plus money for every game we are live on tv for
(not many clubs had money like that coming in).


For me we should of strengthened more, if you believe in your manager.
Because next year, we will be up against clubs with money coming in and we wont be getting any.

This rubbish 11yrs later, about a team full of our academy, is years away and fans wont wait.

People can call for Harris to go all they like, but do they honestly trust the board to find the correct replacement? Trollope, Slade, OGS were all handpicked by Dalman & co. The problem runs far deeper than just the current manager.

Excellent OP

The question is what we do for the second half a season. The playoffs are gone, we just need to ensure our championship status and we'll do that comfortably when Kieffer is back.

Do we think he is the man and this is the start of a transition. What we say to Harris and the media (fans) are two completely different things, keep the money tight and above all don't get relegated ? Obviously playoff would be nice.

Or is he not the man and start the hunt for the next manager now, no point sacking him yet though as the bloke we want is already employed.

Sack him and bring in a caretaker... Can't see that

Kieffer Moore is the biggest loss as we do not have a replacement. 1.5 seasons in, I can now see what Bobby Glatzel does, he is a link up player who is good around or in the box. But we don't have the passing ability to move the ball forward in a controlled manner or playing through the thirds. So we play him as a back to goal target man and he isn't.
Harris is shagged either way and that's why we look terrible.

I think they'll stick with him and they'll be lots of movement in the summer.

Agreed, overall the thread is negative looking at the worst-case scenario which isn't going to happen, with Moore back we will probably finish in the top half at around 10th.

The most important person at any club is the manager, what's the point spend Millions on players if your manager can't get the best out of them, I think we stick with Harris and target top Managers for our level and wait, many decent Manager will become available by the start of next season.

What's the point of wasting another year or two with a dud like Pullis, Bellamy (who knows if he can manage) or Pearson, unless they are clearly better than Harris, we should take some time and wait.

I heard Nigel Pearson interviewed on Radio 5 awhile back...he has Long Covid....can't see him up to the rigours of sorting out CCFC for some time....
He would have been my choice....

Excellent OP

The question is what we do for the second half a season. The playoffs are gone, we just need to ensure our championship status and we'll do that comfortably when Kieffer is back.

Do we think he is the man and this is the start of a transition. What we say to Harris and the media (fans) are two completely different things, keep the money tight and above all don't get relegated ? Obviously playoff would be nice.

Or is he not the man and start the hunt for the next manager now, no point sacking him yet though as the bloke we want is already employed.

Sack him and bring in a caretaker... Can't see that

Kieffer Moore is the biggest loss as we do not have a replacement. 1.5 seasons in, I can now see what Bobby Glatzel does, he is a link up player who is good around or in the box. But we don't have the passing ability to move the ball forward in a controlled manner or playing through the thirds. So we play him as a back to goal target man and he isn't.
Harris is shagged either way and that's why we look terrible.

I think they'll stick with him and they'll be lots of movement in the summer.

Agreed, overall the thread is negative looking at the worst-case scenario which isn't going to happen, with Moore back we will probably finish in the top half at around 10th.

The most important person at any club is the manager, what's the point spend Millions on players if your manager can't get the best out of them, I think we stick with Harris and target top Managers for our level and wait, many decent Manager will become available by the start of next season.

What's the point of wasting another year or two with a dud like Pullis, Bellamy (who knows if he can manage) or Pearson, unless they are clearly better than Harris, we should take some time and wait.

I think you make some great points. We have both Moore and Tomlin out injured and that was bound to affect our form. Harris is a victim of circumstance to some degree but a good manager really earns his corn when faced with problems like that and unfortunately he has come up short.

We shouldn't waste our time on a panic appointment now but look ahead to the summer and employ a decent manager then as you suggest.

Can’t see the logic in employing a Manager just to clean the cupboards. Or is it that any ambitious Manager wouldn’t take it..