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Nathan jones

Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:17 pm

That’s my choice
Who do you want in???

Re: Nathan jones

Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:41 pm

Robert Page

Re: Nathan jones

Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:51 pm

Billic or Pearson no nonsense managers sought the players out

Re: Nathan jones

Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:54 pm

Paul Cook, Bellamy and Bamba

The 3 could be Manager, coach and dof

No way any of those 3 would put up with that nonsense served up tonight, the players would shite themselves coming back into the dressing room to face those 3

Re: Nathan jones

Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:58 pm

pengamblue wrote:Billic or Pearson no nonsense managers sought the players out

Yup any one of those for me too. Maybe Bilic first choice.

Re: Nathan jones

Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:11 am

oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Paul Cook, Bellamy and Bamba

The 3 could be Manager, coach and dof

No way any of those 3 would put up with that nonsense served up tonight, the players would shite themselves coming back into the dressing room to face those 3



Not a bad shout in truth :thumbup: :old: :bluebird:

Re: Nathan jones

Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:20 am

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
pengamblue wrote:Billic or Pearson no nonsense managers sought the players out

Yup any one of those for me too. Maybe Bilic first choice.

Beginning to see the value of Pearson; but not so much Billic

Still prefer to see a Craig Bellamy combination with a trusted AN Other tried out until the end of the season

Re: Nathan jones

Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:44 am

Sven wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
pengamblue wrote:Billic or Pearson no nonsense managers sought the players out

Yup any one of those for me too. Maybe Bilic first choice.

Beginning to see the value of Pearson; but not so much Billic

Still prefer to see a Craig Bellamy combination with a trusted AN Other tried out until the end of the season


I don’t get the Bilic route - his two clubs English football have both been clubs with money to spend and I’m not sure he did that well at either. He got West Brom promoted, but many managers have.

Pearson for me for a tried and trusted route (and someone already out of work) - he did well at Watford last season getting instant results. He has had success in this division, is no nonsense and was the manager who put the groundwork in for Leicester’s title win. He’d also bring Craig Shakespeare who was pretty highly regarded in terms of player recruitment.

I’d love Bellamy - it would be brilliant or awful, but I think Bellamy is too sensible to take this job at this stage. He is unlikely to get much money to spend, so he is probably better sticking to his education in Belgium for the time being abs continuing to build himself ready for the right role...be that this one or something else.

Either way the club have to have a better plan - I keep looking at what Brentford are doing with amazement. Low crowds, good football, outstanding recruitment, good managers and challenging way about their ‘level’ for a few seasons now.

Re: Nathan jones

Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:52 pm

Brentford’s Chairman is a fan.. that’s a massive difference in what you do. Like not changing the colour of the shirt. The more I look back at that now, the worse it gets. Complete misunderstanding of a British football club. Stop looking is the answer.

Re: Nathan jones

Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:08 pm

rumpo kid wrote:Brentford’s Chairman is a fan.. that’s a massive difference in what you do. Like not changing the colour of the shirt. The more I look back at that now, the worse it gets. Complete misunderstanding of a British football club. Stop looking is the answer.


I'm not overly impressed with the Brentford model.

People criticise Tan for interference but the Brentford owner demands that any manager bases selection and recruitment on stats with very little leeway.

They may be punching above their weight to be fair, but they still haven't actually got promoted and have had to sell a number of their top players.

Imagine the outcry on here if we had to sell Keifer Moore at the end of the season like they had to sell Ollie Watkins :o :roll: :lol:

Re: Nathan jones

Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:40 pm

rumpo kid wrote:Brentford’s Chairman is a fan.. that’s a massive difference in what you do. Like not changing the colour of the shirt. The more I look back at that now, the worse it gets. Complete misunderstanding of a British football club. Stop looking is the answer.

Hello, we changed back to blue and the owner apologised some time ago!

Unless you're 'Frozen' in time, just let it go...! :D

Re: Nathan jones

Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:24 pm

bluesince62 wrote:
oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Paul Cook, Bellamy and Bamba

The 3 could be Manager, coach and dof

No way any of those 3 would put up with that nonsense served up tonight, the players would shite themselves coming back into the dressing room to face those 3



Not a bad shout in truth :thumbup: :old: :bluebird:


Throw Rob Page in there as well he wont take any shit either

Re: Nathan jones

Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:59 pm

Some strange names on this thread

Paul Cook failed in his only season at this level and got relegated , he's a lower league manager in the russel slade mould

Robert Page and Nathan Jones wouldnt even be mentioned if they were not Welsh. They wouldn't be on any other championship teams radar.

Bellamy has only ever looked after kids teams and hasn't been massively successful at that

Bamba has no experience whatsoever and still wants to play not manage

We are scraping the barrel with these names

Bilic would get us promoted but bring us straight back down , he's a foreign Warnock

Pearson is the only real name on this thread we should be looking at in my opinion

Re: Nathan jones

Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:16 pm

He was my first choice before Harris came, and I continue to be impressed by his work; Gareth Ainsworth.

Re: Nathan jones

Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:26 pm

thomasblue wrote:Some strange names on this thread

Paul Cook failed in his only season at this level and got relegated , he's a lower league manager in the russel slade mould

Robert Page and Nathan Jones wouldnt even be mentioned if they were not Welsh. They wouldn't be on any other championship teams radar.

Bellamy has only ever looked after kids teams and hasn't been massively successful at that

Bamba has no experience whatsoever and still wants to play not manage

We are scraping the barrel with these names

Bilic would get us promoted but bring us straight back down , he's a foreign Warnock

Pearson is the only real name on this thread we should be looking at in my opinion



not really Paul Cook had a small budget kept Wigan up the first year and got relegated last { 2nd year } not by results but by a pretty unfair points deduction.. picking up as many points as we did 2nd half of last season with a wage bill a quarter of ours..... 3 promotions plus a play off spot in 7 full seasons.. ..slade has one play offs and zero promotions in 25 years..
would be a realistic appointment... i agree bamba and bellers no real experience...but pearson and billic would both probably want promises of a war chest which i do not see us promising...

Re: Nathan jones

Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:28 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Brentford’s Chairman is a fan.. that’s a massive difference in what you do. Like not changing the colour of the shirt. The more I look back at that now, the worse it gets. Complete misunderstanding of a British football club. Stop looking is the answer.


I'm not overly impressed with the Brentford model.

People criticise Tan for interference but the Brentford owner demands that any manager bases selection and recruitment on stats with very little leeway.

They may be punching above their weight to be fair, but they still haven't actually got promoted and have had to sell a number of their top players.

Imagine the outcry on here if we had to sell Keifer Moore at the end of the season like they had to sell Ollie Watkins :o :roll: :lol:


Yes, that stats thing is a bit weird, but you have to say they’re good to watch and knocking on the door. Plus they’ve made a mint on transfers. If we were doing what they are, you’d call it good management.

Re: Nathan jones

Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:36 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Brentford’s Chairman is a fan.. that’s a massive difference in what you do. Like not changing the colour of the shirt. The more I look back at that now, the worse it gets. Complete misunderstanding of a British football club. Stop looking is the answer.


I'm not overly impressed with the Brentford model.

People criticise Tan for interference but the Brentford owner demands that any manager bases selection and recruitment on stats with very little leeway.

They may be punching above their weight to be fair, but they still haven't actually got promoted and have had to sell a number of their top players.

Imagine the outcry on here if we had to sell Keifer Moore at the end of the season like they had to sell Ollie Watkins :o :roll: :lol:


How can you not be impressed with it?

They have one of the smallest grounds in the league, yet they have been competing near the top for a few seasons now. They had a blip right at the end of last season, but we head and shoulders about many teams.

As for them selling - they bring players in for relatively low fees, develop them abs sell them on for massive money...allowing them to bring in more quality. It’s exactly the type of transfer strategy we should be seeing here. I’d happily sell KM for £30m at the end of the season as it means he’d have done bloody well for us and it would mean a huge profit.

Re: Nathan jones

Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:37 am

Blue78 wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Brentford’s Chairman is a fan.. that’s a massive difference in what you do. Like not changing the colour of the shirt. The more I look back at that now, the worse it gets. Complete misunderstanding of a British football club. Stop looking is the answer.


I'm not overly impressed with the Brentford model.

People criticise Tan for interference but the Brentford owner demands that any manager bases selection and recruitment on stats with very little leeway.

They may be punching above their weight to be fair, but they still haven't actually got promoted and have had to sell a number of their top players.

Imagine the outcry on here if we had to sell Keifer Moore at the end of the season like they had to sell Ollie Watkins :o :roll: :lol:


How can you not be impressed with it?

They have one of the smallest grounds in the league, yet they have been competing near the top for a few seasons now. They had a blip right at the end of last season, but we head and shoulders about many teams.

As for them selling - they bring players in for relatively low fees, develop them abs sell them on for massive money...allowing them to bring in more quality. It’s exactly the type of transfer strategy we should be seeing here. I’d happily sell KM for £30m at the end of the season as it means he’d have done bloody well for us and it would mean a huge profit.


Financially they have a great model. If cardiff did that people would be having a go at Tan for taking all the money and not reinvesting properly.

They have been lucky over the last few seasons where they somehow have manged to find quality cheaper replacements , that won't work evert time and will eventually get caught out.

What is the point in finding these players if you just sell them every year without building a complete squad to get promotion ?

People say we should look at them and follow the model but what have they achieved apart from boosting the owners bank account ?

Re: Nathan jones

Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:44 am

skidemin wrote:
thomasblue wrote:Some strange names on this thread

Paul Cook failed in his only season at this level and got relegated , he's a lower league manager in the russel slade mould

Robert Page and Nathan Jones wouldnt even be mentioned if they were not Welsh. They wouldn't be on any other championship teams radar.

Bellamy has only ever looked after kids teams and hasn't been massively successful at that

Bamba has no experience whatsoever and still wants to play not manage

We are scraping the barrel with these names

Bilic would get us promoted but bring us straight back down , he's a foreign Warnock

Pearson is the only real name on this thread we should be looking at in my opinion



not really Paul Cook had a small budget kept Wigan up the first year and got relegated last { 2nd year } not by results but by a pretty unfair points deduction.. picking up as many points as we did 2nd half of last season with a wage bill a quarter of ours..... 3 promotions plus a play off spot in 7 full seasons.. ..slade has one play offs and zero promotions in 25 years..
would be a realistic appointment... i agree bamba and bellers no real experience...but pearson and billic would both probably want promises of a war chest which i do not see us promising...



I cant see us going for any of them and dont really think any other than Pearson would do a good job here in reality.

Paul Cook whichever way you look at it would be a massive gamble and it wouldn't even be 50/50 hes a good lower league manager but we should be setting our sights higher if we want sustained success and the fans to get behind the team. A named manger brings excitement and in turn boosts belief in the players

Re: Nathan jones

Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:41 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Brentford’s Chairman is a fan.. that’s a massive difference in what you do. Like not changing the colour of the shirt. The more I look back at that now, the worse it gets. Complete misunderstanding of a British football club. Stop looking is the answer.


I'm not overly impressed with the Brentford model.

People criticise Tan for interference but the Brentford owner demands that any manager bases selection and recruitment on stats with very little leeway.

They may be punching above their weight to be fair, but they still haven't actually got promoted and have had to sell a number of their top players.

Imagine the outcry on here if we had to sell Keifer Moore at the end of the season like they had to sell Ollie Watkins :o :roll: :lol:


Considering they are a small club they have come a long way in a pretty short amount of time. They play good football and buy players and sell on for big profits which is reinvested in the squad. They got to the playoff final last year and looks like they will be pushing for top 2 again this season. What's not to like?

We might have been in the prem twice but they are in a better position on and off the pitch.

Re: Nathan jones

Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:08 pm

A lot of names quoted on here, Cook, Ainsworth, Page, Jones, Bamba are never gonna manage in the Premier league. Full stop.

Pearson is in a different class, Bellars I can see managing a Prem team, as perhaps Giggs.

Tan is afraid to get a top class manager as it will show up his lack of football knowledge.

Me? I'd plough as much money at, and give whatever funding he wanted to Steven Gerrard (I know it won't happen) ..... but I dare Tan to just think about it!

Re: Nathan jones

Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:17 pm

Barclay1 wrote:A lot of names quoted on here, Cook, Ainsworth, Page, Jones, Bamba are never gonna manage in the Premier league. Full stop.

Pearson is in a different class, Bellars I can see managing a Prem team, as perhaps Giggs.

Tan is afraid to get a top class manager as it will show up his lack of football knowledge.

Me? I'd plough as much money at, and give whatever funding he wanted to Steven Gerrard (I know it won't happen) ..... but I dare Tan to just think about it!


Why would he be afraid to get a top class manager?

He signed Solskjaer who is now in charge at arguably the biggest club in the world and was widely regarded as one of the best young managers when we signed him. He was not scared then.

He signed Warnock who is the most successful manager at our level EVER and has more football knowledge than everybody on this forum put together , he was not scared then.

He signed Malky who was a highly rated championship manager at the time. He got us promoted and was successful here, he was not scared then.

Bellamy has not shown anything to show he could manage at our level let alone the premier league

Giggs had a go at Man utd and admitted himself that full time club management is not for him and he struggles with the permanent nature of it. He is now lucky enough to be in charge of probably the most talented Wales side ever and is doing a decent job. He is not a Premier league manager.

Stephen Gerrard is managing a team in a two horse race. He is expected to get second place as a minimum.
In the two years he has been at Rangers he has not won any trophies, they are looking food this season as Celtic are having a particularly bad season by the clubs normal standards.
He has shown nothing yet to suggest he will manage at a higher level.

Re: Nathan jones

Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:56 pm

thomasblue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
thomasblue wrote:Some strange names on this thread

Paul Cook failed in his only season at this level and got relegated , he's a lower league manager in the russel slade mould

Robert Page and Nathan Jones wouldnt even be mentioned if they were not Welsh. They wouldn't be on any other championship teams radar.

Bellamy has only ever looked after kids teams and hasn't been massively successful at that

Bamba has no experience whatsoever and still wants to play not manage

We are scraping the barrel with these names

Bilic would get us promoted but bring us straight back down , he's a foreign Warnock

Pearson is the only real name on this thread we should be looking at in my opinion



not really Paul Cook had a small budget kept Wigan up the first year and got relegated last { 2nd year } not by results but by a pretty unfair points deduction.. picking up as many points as we did 2nd half of last season with a wage bill a quarter of ours..... 3 promotions plus a play off spot in 7 full seasons.. ..slade has one play offs and zero promotions in 25 years..
would be a realistic appointment... i agree bamba and bellers no real experience...but pearson and billic would both probably want promises of a war chest which i do not see us promising...



I cant see us going for any of them and dont really think any other than Pearson would do a good job here in reality.

Paul Cook whichever way you look at it would be a massive gamble and it wouldn't even be 50/50 hes a good lower league manager but we should be setting our sights higher if we want sustained success and the fans to get behind the team. A named manger brings excitement and in turn boosts belief in the players



they are all gambles mate.. but he has a record of knowing how to win and also of how to turn things around..i know its lower leagues apart from Wigan .. but you can only do jobs your given.. certainly less of a gamble than Harris... as for the players, id imagine 3 promotions and being someone who played over 400 games at the same level as they are playing at would get you plenty of respect...

Re: Nathan jones

Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:23 pm

I’d love to see Bellers given a chance. I’ve always thought he could be a brilliant manager. Reality is that it would be a punt which could go either way, but we’re hardly offering any incoming managers a wad of cash so we can’t be overly selective.

I feel people are massively overrating Pearson. He spent years getting Leicester promoted having been massively bankrolled. He was on last chance saloon the year they finally made it. Since then he was sacked by Derby having had a big dressing room revolt against him. He came in and did well at Watford before being very harshly dismissed.

I do like Paul Cook and, if the board want a change of style, he stands out as a very good option. Anyone saying ‘well he got relegated’ has no understanding of the reality of the situation. IMO he did very well under challenging circumstances.

If we want to follow the Warnock approach, I’d certainly not be against Pullis. It’s really hard to tell whether or not he’s still got it in him to deliver what he did st Stoke or Palace but I’d be up for finding out. He did ok at Boro and it sounds like he was under a complete looney at Wednesday

Re: Nathan jones

Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:10 am

Dazzy wrote:I’d love to see Bellers given a chance. I’ve always thought he could be a brilliant manager. Reality is that it would be a punt which could go either way, but we’re hardly offering any incoming managers a wad of cash so we can’t be overly selective.

I feel people are massively overrating Pearson. He spent years getting Leicester promoted having been massively bankrolled. He was on last chance saloon the year they finally made it. Since then he was sacked by Derby having had a big dressing room revolt against him. He came in and did well at Watford before being very harshly dismissed.

I do like Paul Cook and, if the board want a change of style, he stands out as a very good option. Anyone saying ‘well he got relegated’ has no understanding of the reality of the situation. IMO he did very well under challenging circumstances.

If we want to follow the Warnock approach, I’d certainly not be against Pullis. It’s really hard to tell whether or not he’s still got it in him to deliver what he did st Stoke or Palace but I’d be up for finding out. He did ok at Boro and it sounds like he was under a complete looney at Wednesday



In what way does Cook stand out as a good option ?

He has had no success at this level at all other than apparently doing a decent job in the lower leagues for a Wigan team which was already one of the favourites to go up when he was appointed, he has nothing on his record to show he could handle a big championship club.

A few cup wins against Premier league teams mean nothing.

We have messed about with these type of managers already and they have failed miserably.

Russell Slade
Paul Trollope
Neil Harris

This team needs a tried and tested manager at top end of the Championship or bottom of Premier league who has a name big enough for the fans to believe in and get behind. The fans need that excitement that comes with a well known name to bring the club back together again like Warnock did.

Re: Nathan jones

Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:48 am

I’d love a tried and tested manager. Hughton would be been my first choice before he went to Forest. Eddie Howe would be a dream appointment. There’s not many who’ve been there and done it with an unblemished track record though.

The football that Wigan we’re playing and the brilliant recruitment almost allowed them to escape the drop despite the points deduction.

As I say, bar Howe (who I don’t think would come), I’d personally give Bellamy the job when it comes up.

Re: Nathan jones

Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:20 am

Dazzy wrote:I’d love a tried and tested manager. Hughton would be been my first choice before he went to Forest. Eddie Howe would be a dream appointment. There’s not many who’ve been there and done it with an unblemished track record though.

The football that Wigan we’re playing and the brilliant recruitment almost allowed them to escape the drop despite the points deduction.

As I say, bar Howe (who I don’t think would come), I’d personally give Bellamy the job when it comes up.


I agree Howe is the main choice but that will depend on what few things all coming together including the boards ambition for the club and Howes willingness to drop a division and start again. Its not out of the question nobody else higher up seems interested.

Wigans recruitment was at a lower level. Signing big name , big wage championship and premier league players is a totally different ball game. Totally different levels.

Its also interesting the fact a lot of people wanted Hughton and Pulis.

Hughton is failing badly at Forest with a good squad, Pulis didn't win a single game at WednesdY and got sacked.

It shows how hard it is to actually pick a manager at this level. The big name won't drop down and the lower names are not good enough .

Re: Nathan jones

Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:29 am

Sven wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Brentford’s Chairman is a fan.. that’s a massive difference in what you do. Like not changing the colour of the shirt. The more I look back at that now, the worse it gets. Complete misunderstanding of a British football club. Stop looking is the answer.

Hello, we changed back to blue and the owner apologised some time ago!

Unless you're 'Frozen' in time, just let it go...! :D

Spot on, harping on about the same drivel by a certain few, or is it just an agenda to always attack Vincent Tan

Re: Nathan jones

Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:23 am

piledriver64 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Brentford’s Chairman is a fan.. that’s a massive difference in what you do. Like not changing the colour of the shirt. The more I look back at that now, the worse it gets. Complete misunderstanding of a British football club. Stop looking is the answer.


I'm not overly impressed with the Brentford model.

People criticise Tan for interference but the Brentford owner demands that any manager bases selection and recruitment on stats with very little leeway.

They may be punching above their weight to be fair, but they still haven't actually got promoted and have had to sell a number of their top players.

Imagine the outcry on here if we had to sell Keifer Moore at the end of the season like they had to sell Ollie Watkins :o :roll: :lol:


It's a brilliant model, the reason they have to sell is that they are a small club with no financial backing, the model itself works way better than trying to bring players through an academy.

Re: Nathan jones

Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:03 pm

thomasblue wrote:
Dazzy wrote:I’d love a tried and tested manager. Hughton would be been my first choice before he went to Forest. Eddie Howe would be a dream appointment. There’s not many who’ve been there and done it with an unblemished track record though.

The football that Wigan we’re playing and the brilliant recruitment almost allowed them to escape the drop despite the points deduction.

As I say, bar Howe (who I don’t think would come), I’d personally give Bellamy the job when it comes up.


I agree Howe is the main choice but that will depend on what few things all coming together including the boards ambition for the club and Howes willingness to drop a division and start again. Its not out of the question nobody else higher up seems interested.

Wigans recruitment was at a lower level. Signing big name , big wage championship and premier league players is a totally different ball game. Totally different levels.

Its also interesting the fact a lot of people wanted Hughton and Pulis.

Hughton is failing badly at Forest with a good squad, Pulis didn't win a single game at WednesdY and got sacked.

It shows how hard it is to actually pick a manager at this level. The big name won't drop down and the lower names are not good enough .


You make some good points. What I’d say about Hughton is that he normally needs time to build a team. If Forest are patient, then I think he’ll get them promoted but that could be a couple of seasons from now.

Pullis is an interesting one. Did poorly at West Brom, albeit in the prem, having done an amazing job at Palace. Did ok at Boro - though he’d smash it but didn’t reach the heights I’d expected - then it was a debacle at Wednesday. Clearly their owner is of his head though. Pullis can’t have completely lost it, and his style is still working for teams.