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Glatzel pen? Good save or poor pen?

Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:29 pm

Firstly, I couldn't see any reason for a penalty. Can someone explain what it as for?

Secondly, I thought it was a decent pen, hit low, hard and to the corner. A good save by Etheridge, but as a previous poster said, perhaps the angle of his run really did telegraph its destination.

For a keeper to get to that though, I think was pretty darn good. I'd have Glatzel take pens over Ralls....

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:37 pm

Barclay1 wrote:Firstly, I couldn't see any reason for a penalty. Can someone explain what it as for?

Secondly, I thought it was a decent pen, hit low, hard and to the corner. A good save by Etheridge, but as a previous poster said, perhaps the angle of his run really did telegraph its destination.

For a keeper to get to that though, I think was pretty darn good. I'd have Glatzel take pens over Ralls....


Good save rather than a poor pen in my eyes

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:39 pm

Not a great pen obviously, well read by Etheridge. Just felt Glatzel didn't disguise his body shape enough. Was annoyed Wilson wasn't demanding the pen however. Harry needs to step up more.

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:53 pm

I think that pen would have beaten most keepers... even if they dived the right way.

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:05 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:I think that pen would have beaten most keepers... even if they dived the right way.



Have to agree,he struck it well,Etheridge makes a habit of saving pens remember! Shame he guessed right for this one!! The last pen RG took,he absolutely smashed in.so in my eyes,a very good save.

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:10 pm

Nothing wrong with pen you must give credit to Etheridge wasnt hardest hit pen but right in corner.....glatzel scored from last pen he took .

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:19 pm

It wasn't the worst penalty I've ever seen but it was slightly telegraphed and maybe just lacking a bit of power that might have made it harder for a one handed save.

Glatzel may have weaknesses but his finishing with his feet isn't one of them. As has been said, I'd definitely give him the next one.

Mind you, trust Cardiff City to find the one German who misses penalties :roll: :banghead: :laughing5: :laughing5:

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:31 pm

I mean it's easy to say it was "Telegraphed" in hindsight, but how does Etheridge know he's not showing him down the left side on purpose before slotting it in the opposite corner, as so many other players regularly do?

As with all pens for keeper and striker, it's a gamble. At the end of the day Glatzel hit his with good power and placement, and Etheridge has made an outstanding save (whether or not he left his line early I doubt we'll find out).

I think if repeated against other keepers that pen wouldn't be saved more often than not.

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:39 pm

There are two places in the goal where if you put your penalty no goalkeeper will ever be able to save it, that's top right hand corner or top left hand corner.

I'm not even talking about the postage stamp but anywhere near the top corners will be an automatic goal assuming you hit the target.

I am always amazed at how few professional footballers including highly paid strikers can't or won't put the ball in the top corners from a penalty. If you knew you were going to be a penalty taker either regularly or even very occasionally (yes I'm talking to you Junior Hoilett) you should be practising putting the ball as near to the top corners as you can.

Glatzel's wasn't the worst penalty I've ever seen but because it was on the ground then as soon as Etheridge guessed the right way he had a chance of saving it. If Glatzel had been able to put the ball in the same corner but five or six feet off the ground Etheridge would have got nowhere near it.

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:58 pm

davids wrote:There are two places in the goal where if you put your penalty no goalkeeper will ever be able to save it, that's top right hand corner or top left hand corner.

I'm not even talking about the postage stamp but anywhere near the top corners will be an automatic goal assuming you hit the target.

I am always amazed at how few professional footballers including highly paid strikers can't or won't put the ball in the top corners from a penalty. If you knew you were going to be a penalty taker either regularly or even very occasionally (yes I'm talking to you Junior Hoilett) you should be practising putting the ball as near to the top corners as you can.

Glatzel's wasn't the worst penalty I've ever seen but because it was on the ground then as soon as Etheridge guessed the right way he had a chance of saving it. If Glatzel had been able to put the ball in the same corner but five or six feet off the ground Etheridge would have got nowhere near it.


All about preferences but most goalkeepers and coaches would say that bottom corners are the most difficult to save because as a keeper launches the natural movement is for the body to go up first, additionally keepers tend to be big blokes so getting down to low shots often causes them more problems.

Coaches of takers would also favour low penalties as if you aim for the top corner you've got no leeway if you get too far under it !!

Of course, if you can send the keeper the wrong way it doesn't matter whether you hit it high or low :lol: :lol:

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:30 pm

You always hear of commentators saying that a penalty was at a comfortable height for the keeper to save. This wasn't. Etheridge had to get a hand down to it so it was a good save from a decent penalty.
Didn't Etheridge save his first 2 or 3 penalties in the premier and nearly set a record?

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:39 pm

Floppsy wrote:You always hear of commentators saying that a penalty was at a comfortable height for the keeper to save. This wasn't. Etheridge had to get a hand down to it so it was a good save from a decent penalty.
Didn't Etheridge save his first 2 or 3 penalties in the premier and nearly set a record?



Yes was one away from record... also saved one in previous game I think :thumbup:

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:46 pm

Barclay1 wrote:Firstly, I couldn't see any reason for a penalty. Can someone explain what it as for?

Secondly, I thought it was a decent pen, hit low, hard and to the corner. A good save by Etheridge, but as a previous poster said, perhaps the angle of his run really did telegraph its destination.

For a keeper to get to that though, I think was pretty darn good. I'd have Glatzel take pens over Ralls....


I'm pretty sure it was for hand ball & we all know about Etheridge & penalties, we also all knew he was likely to save it no matter who took it.

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:47 pm

I've never missed a penalty.

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:51 pm

A decent strike by Glatzel but Etheridge seemed to have done his homework (maybe knew already?), moved off his line slightly and got a strong hand to the ball after diving the right way

Thankfully, it didn't matter in the end and we move on... :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:47 pm

It was both, Glatzel looked very nervous, Etheridge psyched him out, went behind for a drink while staring at him, took his time coming back and into position adding to the pressure, banged the bar and top of the net, all this time Glatzel looked under pressure. He then telegraphed what he was going to do with a fairly slow and quite short run-up.

Etheridge won the psychological battle and made a very good save.

It's easy to say but Glatzel should have walked away from it, got his head right, then gone through his drill when Etheridge was in position.

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:49 pm

davids wrote:There are two places in the goal where if you put your penalty no goalkeeper will ever be able to save it, that's top right hand corner or top left hand corner.

I'm not even talking about the postage stamp but anywhere near the top corners will be an automatic goal assuming you hit the target.

I am always amazed at how few professional footballers including highly paid strikers can't or won't put the ball in the top corners from a penalty. If you knew you were going to be a penalty taker either regularly or even very occasionally (yes I'm talking to you Junior Hoilett) you should be practising putting the ball as near to the top corners as you can.

Glatzel's wasn't the worst penalty I've ever seen but because it was on the ground then as soon as Etheridge guessed the right way he had a chance of saving it. If Glatzel had been able to put the ball in the same corner but five or six feet off the ground Etheridge would have got nowhere near it.


I agree, it seems so obvious?

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:53 pm

Bluebina wrote:
davids wrote:There are two places in the goal where if you put your penalty no goalkeeper will ever be able to save it, that's top right hand corner or top left hand corner.

I'm not even talking about the postage stamp but anywhere near the top corners will be an automatic goal assuming you hit the target.

I am always amazed at how few professional footballers including highly paid strikers can't or won't put the ball in the top corners from a penalty. If you knew you were going to be a penalty taker either regularly or even very occasionally (yes I'm talking to you Junior Hoilett) you should be practising putting the ball as near to the top corners as you can.

Glatzel's wasn't the worst penalty I've ever seen but because it was on the ground then as soon as Etheridge guessed the right way he had a chance of saving it. If Glatzel had been able to put the ball in the same corner but five or six feet off the ground Etheridge would have got nowhere near it.


I agree, it seems so obvious?


Harry Wilson wanted it too, I was screaming give it to Wilson you, but he never and the rest is history. Wilson is a much more confident player and would have buried it (IMO).

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:19 pm

Good save for me. We all know Etheridge is an excellent keeper for penalties. HE saved our blushes more than once. Add in Glatzel has probably practiced penalties against Etheridge. Etheridge would have inside knowledge.

For me I Would have given it to Wilson. More of an unknown for Etheridge. Just glad it didn't cost us the game. GLatzel has really stood up well of late I hope it doesn't knock his confidence.

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:23 pm

Probably just a case of he's faced them a hundred times. Well guessed and a strong save.

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:52 pm

Bluebina wrote:It was both, Glatzel looked very nervous, Etheridge psyched him out, went behind for a drink while staring at him, took his time coming back and into position adding to the pressure, banged the bar and top of the net, all this time Glatzel looked under pressure. He then telegraphed what he was going to do with a fairly slow and quite short run-up.

Etheridge won the psychological battle and made a very good save.

It's easy to say but Glatzel should have walked away from it, got his head right, then gone through his drill when Etheridge was in position.


All so obvious!! Yes it is with hindsight isnt it?
The last pen glatzel took,he buried,dint think ot was nerves at all,he hit it well,and as we all have said,Etheridge is a top penalty stopper.

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:13 pm

Was nothing to do with the run up. Watch it back, glatzel is trying to be clever and misleading and looks to the left side about 3 times, then runs up and hits it right. I called it the second he looked left! Not badly hit, great save.

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:35 pm

nubbsy wrote:Was nothing to do with the run up. Watch it back, glatzel is trying to be clever and misleading and looks to the left side about 3 times, then runs up and hits it right. I called it the second he looked left! Not badly hit, great save.

They played and trained together so Etheridge had a fair idea where it was going. Maybe Wilson should have took it.. But who cares we won

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Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:53 pm

Decent pen and decent save. I wanted glatzel to take it....he played well overall

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Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:14 am

Etheridge loves a penalty save!

3 saved for us in the Prem.

Bournemouth, Newcastle & Leicester.

He's saved 2 out of 3 for Birmingham now as well.

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Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:28 am

bluesince62 wrote:
Bluebina wrote:It was both, Glatzel looked very nervous, Etheridge psyched him out, went behind for a drink while staring at him, took his time coming back and into position adding to the pressure, banged the bar and top of the net, all this time Glatzel looked under pressure. He then telegraphed what he was going to do with a fairly slow and quite short run-up.

Etheridge won the psychological battle and made a very good save.

It's easy to say but Glatzel should have walked away from it, got his head right, then gone through his drill when Etheridge was in position.


All so obvious!! Yes it is with hindsight isnt it?
The last pen glatzel took,he buried,dint think ot was nerves at all,he hit it well,and as we all have said,Etheridge is a top penalty stopper.



Sorry on the obvious post I was referring to hitting top right or top left they almost always go in, just read and it's not clear what I was saying. :thumbup: