Are the Welsh Government fit for purpose ?

The state of the NHS in Wales is now at breaking point. They are now trying to cancel life saving cancer treatments so they can use these specialists to treat covid. Also they tried to cancel my wife’s treatment for Multiple Sclerosis on the same basis. But luckily my wife has a consultant with a backbone who stated her treatment and others like her is urgent and vital and without it they could relapse which could result in an admission to hospital and permanent disabilities.



Cancer is a proven killer and it does not need heavily manipulated death statistics to show the death rates from cancer especially if treatments are stopped. Upcoming deaths from cancer will be Wales own shame but I’m sure they will find a way to add that total onto Covid19


Multiple Sclerosis is a evil disease and if you ask my wife what she is more frightened of MS or Covid ? All I will say she isn’t that concerned over Covid no more than she is concerned over influenza.


Not only is Drakeford destroying the hospitality trade in Wales but jobs are being lost, the economy is being destroyed and the NHS is on its knees. But he will blame Westminster for his own mess.


The Welsh Assembly and especially Drakeford are not fit for purpose and I do feel it should be abolished. My view we should have one Government one set of policies for the United Kingdom.


Drakeford is living proof Wales could never go independent.

Doesn't matter who leads what government . A minority of people don't give a fu.. and know better.

Loads of clever people about these days who are entitled to their opinions but who choose to ignore advice I guess.

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Stay safe everyone

I'd rather abolish boris and his bunch of self serving money wasting twats. Wasted £10 billion on paying over the odds for PPE because they failed the country by not having enough stock for an epidemic and ended up paying top dollar in the mad scramble to procure sufficient supplies. They also gave huge contracts to their business friends for face masks which had to be dumped because they didn't meet standards. If anyone needs to be abolished it's the UK government who still think that Britannia rules the waves.

And Wales will become an independent nation despite being held back by the little englanders among us.
The funny thing is that it will be the so called Unionists that will cause the demise and eventual break up of the Union.

I am not going to into politics but I wonder how much money is wasted in the Senedd and all that is there.

The Welsh NHS has been underfunded for many years under Labour UK too but in wales the NHS is at breaking point I work for the NHS and its now scary much worse than last April when we were supposed to be at the peak sadly all hospitals in wales
are in trouble and the main reason is staff we are underfunded and under staffed and now we have staff who have covid and off for 10 days plus staff who are isolating.

So I cannot disagree with you especially with Dickford who doesnt know what he is doing he is making Boris look good
as all Dickford is doing is confusing people and his way is not working as Wales is by far the worst in the UK so his way is clearly not working.

As for the virus being high in Wales at the moment, that is down to the stupidity of people. Loads are playing by their own selfish rules. Nothing that any government can do about it. We don't have enough police and not enough jails to play hard ball with the public

I am not going to into politics but I wonder how much money is wasted in the Senedd and all that is there.

The Welsh NHS has been underfunded for many years under Labour UK too but in wales the NHS is at breaking point I work for the NHS and its now scary much worse than last April when we were supposed to be at the peak sadly all hospitals in wales
are in trouble and the main reason is staff we are underfunded and under staffed and now we have staff who have covid and off for 10 days plus staff who are isolating.

So I cannot disagree with you especially with Dickford who doesnt know what he is doing he is making Boris look good
as all Dickford is doing is confusing people and his way is not working as Wales is by far the worst in the UK so his way is clearly not working.

Childish name calling. The rate will fall in Wales and rise in other parts of the UK. That's how it works. Drakeford is a decent man and is doing his best. The tories don't care about us...they didn't even support our fire break until England decided to do a lockdown then all of a sudden they found the money....miracle!

Nukes I have always thought that devolution would be a waste of time and money and with everyday that goes by this Welsh Labour Government prove my initial thoughts to be spot on.

My wife has advanced breast cancer which was first diagnosed in late 2018 and thanks to the fantastic staff at Velindre they put her on a NEW designer drug which absolutely transformed her condition, by the end of 2019 the cancer has reduced so much it was difficult to find tumours on her scans. The drug did have one downside the potential to reduce immune response and in March this year, following an instruction from PHW and the WAG she was taken off the drug. Her consultant, god bless him, although being unable to see her face to face, another WAG instruction, has worked tirelessly to find her another treatment to stop the cancer taking hold again and at this moment he has. WAG rules mean that she will NEVER be allowed to go back to the designer drug and her consultant has told us that the next stage of treatment, her last option, will be chemo. Like your wife my missus wanted to continue taking the designer drug, because it had her cancer under complete control, and take her chances with Covid. But the WAG know better. How many people in Wales are getting the same treatment simply because of decisions by this WAG and WILL die before their time. I believe it will be thousands maybe tens of thousands.

I fully intend to vote UKIP next May simply because they are committed to abolish the Senedd. As regards Drakeford he is an idiot and a card carrying member of the looney left and cannot be trusted to work in the best interests of the Welsh people. On the BBC on Sunday morning he actually said that in respect of a Post Brexit Trade Deal "Any deal is better than no deal". Says it ALL ABOUT THE IDIOT.

I hope your wife stays safe mate and she gets the treatment she not only needs but deserves.

I am not going to into politics but I wonder how much money is wasted in the Senedd and all that is there.

The Welsh NHS has been underfunded for many years under Labour UK too but in wales the NHS is at breaking point I work for the NHS and its now scary much worse than last April when we were supposed to be at the peak sadly all hospitals in wales
are in trouble and the main reason is staff we are underfunded and under staffed and now we have staff who have covid and off for 10 days plus staff who are isolating.

So I cannot disagree with you especially with Dickford who doesnt know what he is doing he is making Boris look good
as all Dickford is doing is confusing people and his way is not working as Wales is by far the worst in the UK so his way is clearly not working.

Childish name calling. The rate will fall in Wales and rise in other parts of the UK. That's how it works. Drakeford is a decent man and is doing his best. The tories don't care about us...they didn't even support our fire break until England decided to do a lockdown then all of a sudden they found the money....miracle!

Drakeford didn't even support his own constituents when it mattered and had the chance even though he was our A.m..... firebreak your talking about the finding was not given because drakeford went out on his own to bring it in without consulting anyone not even the senedd but expected Westminster to fund it when WG was given money previously to fund things.... drakeford and to a point sturgeon have gone against everything boris as done because one wants independence and other is labour and anti tory .

I'd rather abolish boris and his bunch of self serving money wasting twats. Wasted £10 billion on paying over the odds for PPE because they failed the country by not having enough stock for an epidemic and ended up paying top dollar in the mad scramble to procure sufficient supplies. They also gave huge contracts to their business friends for face masks which had to be dumped because they didn't meet standards. If anyone needs to be abolished it's the UK government who still think that Britannia rules the waves.

And Wales will become an independent nation despite being held back by the little englanders among us.
The funny thing is that it will be the so called Unionists that will cause the demise and eventual break up of the Union.

If it wasn't for the prompt action of these private procurement companies there would have been no PPE available. It has already been acknowledged that the NHS and civil service did not have the ability to act quick enough (too bureaucratic and incompetent, with committee meeting etc) to make a decision. The NHS would have probably appointed a committee or quango to administer it. It would have to have been diversity compliant, so as not to upset anyone. This would have taken months or even years to setup and appoint people.

There was a world wide scramble for PPE so the supply stock available was very low (China bought up everything available during January 2020) and therefore prices were massively inflated.

The pandemic PPE stock level in the UK was decided in 2009, under a Labour government, and any alterations would have been done by the civil servants in Whitehall and the NHS (administrators and doctors) so nothing to do with the Tory government.

Why didn't Wales have any PPE?
Drakeford and Gethin didn't even know what the stock levels were - they openly contradicted each other over whether gloves and gowns were in the stock, or even needed. Comedy gold if it wasn't so dangerous.

Gethin lied that the UK government had taken stock from Wales, and even said he had written proof of the order. I bet you lapped that up. But when asked for the proof of the order he refused to produce it. The company he allegedly ordered it from, had never heard of him, and clearly stated they only dealt with the UK government. When Scotland lied about the same thing at least they had the decency to admit they lied, unlike the arrogant Gethin and Drakeford.

How much vaccine has the Welsh Assembly ordered or paid for? They can't possibly have left it up to Boris and the Tory government to arrange it all for them?
Surely as a caring Labour administration they have arranged for our people to be protected, unlike those nasty money grabbing Tories you hate so much.

Here's a breakdown of some stats I found in about 10 minutes of looking.

Using the most up to date Covid figures this is the breakdown of the total number of cases and deaths between the 4 countries of the UK. The percentage next to population is the percentage share of the total UK population, next to the cases and deaths the percentages shows each countries percentage of the total UK cases and deaths. Red means it's over the population percentage and green means it's under.

England
Population - 56m / 84%
Cases - 1,620k / 85.7%
Deaths - 56,847 / 87.5%
Deaths per million - 1,015.13

Wales
Population - 3.2m / 4.8%
Cases - 103k / 5.4%
Deaths - 2,891 / 4.5%
Deaths per million - 903.44

Scotland
Population - 5.5m / 8.3%
Cases - 108k / 5.7%
Deaths - 4,135 / 6.4%
Deaths per million - 751.82

N. Ireland
Population - 1.9m / 2.9%
Cases - 59k / 3.1%
Deaths - 1,135 / 1.7%
Deaths per million - 597.37

So England's cases and deaths are proportionally higher than their population.
Wales and N.Ireland's cases are proportionally higher than their populations but their deaths are proportionally lower.
Scotland has proportionally lower cases and deaths than their population.
The UK's Deaths per million is 974.6. England is the only country with a DPM that is higher than the UK average

Other comments of note:

- Population Density.
Wales' population is much more condensed than England and there is a strong correlation between Population Density and higher cases/deaths.
35% of Wales' population live in 3 urban areas (cities and suburbs). In England the densest 35% of the population are in 8 urban areas.

- Age Demographic.
Covid is commonly known to affect older populations more than younger and the average deaths are people aged 80.
18.36% of Wales' population are 65+. In England 16.33% of the population are 65+.
5.02% of Wales' population are 80+. In England 4.49% of the population are 80+

Based on density and age demographics Wales should arguably have a higher death rate than England yet our death rate is lower.

Comparing all the above numbers and statistics, The Senedd, Holyrood and Stormont have combatted Covid better than Westminster has.

Nukes I have always thought that devolution would be a waste of time and money and with everyday that goes by this Welsh Labour Government prove my initial thoughts to be spot on.

My wife has advanced breast cancer which was first diagnosed in late 2018 and thanks to the fantastic staff at Velindre they put her on a NEW designer drug which absolutely transformed her condition, by the end of 2019 the cancer has reduced so much it was difficult to find tumours on her scans. The drug did have one downside the potential to reduce immune response and in March this year, following an instruction from PHW and the WAG she was taken off the drug. Her consultant, god bless him, although being unable to see her face to face, another WAG instruction, has worked tirelessly to find her another treatment to stop the cancer taking hold again and at this moment he has. WAG rules mean that she will NEVER be allowed to go back to the designer drug and her consultant has told us that the next stage of treatment, her last option, will be chemo. Like your wife my missus wanted to continue taking the designer drug, because it had her cancer under complete control, and take her chances with Covid. But the WAG know better. How many people in Wales are getting the same treatment simply because of decisions by this WAG and WILL die before their time. I believe it will be thousands maybe tens of thousands.

I fully intend to vote UKIP next May simply because they are committed to abolish the Senedd. As regards Drakeford he is an idiot and a card carrying member of the looney left and cannot be trusted to work in the best interests of the Welsh people. On the BBC on Sunday morning he actually said that in respect of a Post Brexit Trade Deal "Any deal is better than no deal". Says it ALL ABOUT THE IDIOT.

I hope your wife stays safe mate and she gets the treatment she not only needs but deserves.

Gary, that is a very poignant and well thought out post from you again and I feel for what you, your wife and your family are/have been going through but I am heartened by the approach of her Consultant and wish you both well in her recovery

As you may know through your brother, who worked with my late wife, she went through both conditions (MS and then cancer of the Colon)

I know the real Steve (Nukes) and he is a top man, who dedicates his time to his wife and family; the three of us have so much in common when it comes to supporting our partners and I know there are many on this Forum in similar positions

So much has been 'blocked' by WAG in relation to NHS treatments (cancer being a big one) in Wales and we appear more affected by the 'UK postcode lottery' in the treatment stakes

Your comments on WAG (and Welsh Labour) are spot on; I absolutely detest the Senedd's existence and voted twice for it not to exist. It is an expensive waste and serves only to confuse 'national' issues (Covid-19 is certainly a current example) and give second rate 'wannabe' politicians a platform when we already had a functional (if not perfect) Welsh Office

I'd rather abolish boris and his bunch of self serving money wasting twats. Wasted £10 billion on paying over the odds for PPE because they failed the country by not having enough stock for an epidemic and ended up paying top dollar in the mad scramble to procure sufficient supplies. They also gave huge contracts to their business friends for face masks which had to be dumped because they didn't meet standards. If anyone needs to be abolished it's the UK government who still think that Britannia rules the waves.

And Wales will become an independent nation despite being held back by the little englanders among us.
The funny thing is that it will be the so called Unionists that will cause the demise and eventual break up of the Union.

first time you posted this i just thought you were very ill informed...or repeating something from a left wing blog..{ which was why i put all those links up } .. but clearly not....youre aware its rubbish, aware there was a worldwide PPE shortage and aware why there was..... aware that supply and demand drove the prices up and NOBODY could buy at 2019 prices... over the odds does not or ever has meant buying something for its current price just because you think its too expensive.... should every country in the world have said fck it we are not buying... ...

I am not going to into politics but I wonder how much money is wasted in the Senedd and all that is there.

The Welsh NHS has been underfunded for many years under Labour UK too but in wales the NHS is at breaking point I work for the NHS and its now scary much worse than last April when we were supposed to be at the peak sadly all hospitals in wales
are in trouble and the main reason is staff we are underfunded and under staffed and now we have staff who have covid and off for 10 days plus staff who are isolating.

So I cannot disagree with you especially with Dickford who doesnt know what he is doing he is making Boris look good
as all Dickford is doing is confusing people and his way is not working as Wales is by far the worst in the UK so his way is clearly not working.

Childish name calling. The rate will fall in Wales and rise in other parts of the UK. That's how it works. Drakeford is a decent man and is doing his best. The tories don't care about us...they didn't even support our fire break until England decided to do a lockdown then all of a sudden they found the money....miracle!

Drakeford didn't even support his own constituents when it mattered and had the chance even though he was our A.m..... firebreak your talking about the finding was not given because drakeford went out on his own to bring it in without consulting anyone not even the senedd but expected Westminster to fund it when WG was given money previously to fund things.... drakeford and to a point sturgeon have gone against everything boris as done because one wants independence and other is labour and anti tory .

Drakeford and his cabinet are better at consulting than boris. They always, where time allows, talk to all stakeholders before a decision is made.
You are wrong about the funding. When Wales wanted to bring in the fire break the uk furlough scheme was due to change to a weaker version halfway through the fire break. Drakeford asked Johnson to extend the full scheme but he refused...only to extend it a week later when he decided that England needed to lockdown.
Not a very united kingdom!
It never fails to amaze me how many Welsh citizens prefer to stand up for England over Wales. There are so many sell outs in Wales. I've heard it described as battered wives syndrome and even Stockholm Syndrome. Either way it's not normal.

I'd rather abolish boris and his bunch of self serving money wasting twats. Wasted £10 billion on paying over the odds for PPE because they failed the country by not having enough stock for an epidemic and ended up paying top dollar in the mad scramble to procure sufficient supplies. They also gave huge contracts to their business friends for face masks which had to be dumped because they didn't meet standards. If anyone needs to be abolished it's the UK government who still think that Britannia rules the waves.

And Wales will become an independent nation despite being held back by the little englanders among us.
The funny thing is that it will be the so called Unionists that will cause the demise and eventual break up of the Union.

first time you posted this i just thought you were very ill informed...or repeating something from a left wing blog..{ which was why i put all those links up } .. but clearly not....youre aware its rubbish, aware there was a worldwide PPE shortage and aware why there was..... aware that supply and demand drove the prices up and NOBODY could buy at 2019 prices... over the odds does not or ever has meant buying something for its current price just because you think its too expensive.... should every country in the world have said fck it we are not buying... ...

We agree

Any withdrawal of treatment is a disaster.
I've travelled the road of losing a wife and kid to the Big C.
What do any government do with Covid? Leave everything open and then it's down to the survival of the fittest. People need to follow the rules. Some are beyond reasoning with. Some believe it's the flu.
I had one couple say to me they didn't believe in the virus. Well it's not father Christmas.
Staff are exhausted. There's no room at the Inn at the new Cwmbran hospital.
Unless people follow the rules more patients will suffer with loss of funding, resources, consultants, hospital staff.
We need more hospitals doctors staff. However who would want to work in a U. K hospital at the moment.
As for the Welsh assembly I have said from the beginning its full of second class politicians. .
Some of the smaller countries such as New Zealand have done better than the larger ones with Covid19
Maybe small is better.
Give Ireland back to the Irish and the same for the Welsh and Scots

I am not going to into politics but I wonder how much money is wasted in the Senedd and all that is there.

The Welsh NHS has been underfunded for many years under Labour UK too but in wales the NHS is at breaking point I work for the NHS and its now scary much worse than last April when we were supposed to be at the peak sadly all hospitals in wales
are in trouble and the main reason is staff we are underfunded and under staffed and now we have staff who have covid and off for 10 days plus staff who are isolating.

So I cannot disagree with you especially with Dickford who doesnt know what he is doing he is making Boris look good
as all Dickford is doing is confusing people and his way is not working as Wales is by far the worst in the UK so his way is clearly not working.

Childish name calling. The rate will fall in Wales and rise in other parts of the UK. That's how it works. Drakeford is a decent man and is doing his best. The tories don't care about us...they didn't even support our fire break until England decided to do a lockdown then all of a sudden they found the money....miracle!

Drakeford didn't even support his own constituents when it mattered and had the chance even though he was our A.m..... firebreak your talking about the finding was not given because drakeford went out on his own to bring it in without consulting anyone not even the senedd but expected Westminster to fund it when WG was given money previously to fund things.... drakeford and to a point sturgeon have gone against everything boris as done because one wants independence and other is labour and anti tory .

Drakeford and his cabinet are better at consulting than boris. They always, where time allows, talk to all stakeholders before a decision is made.
You are wrong about the funding. When Wales wanted to bring in the fire break the uk furlough scheme was due to change to a weaker version halfway through the fire break. Drakeford asked Johnson to extend the full scheme but he refused...only to extend it a week later when he decided that England needed to lockdown.
Not a very united kingdom!
It never fails to amaze me how many Welsh citizens prefer to stand up for England over Wales. There are so many sell outs in Wales. I've heard it described as battered wives syndrome and even Stockholm Syndrome. Either way it's not normal.

Who did drakeford ask about m4 relief rd before telling world? I said no and that means no was his reply when asked who did he ask for 17 day lockdown? Not senedd...... latest escapade of his senedd asked for it to be discussed before implementation he said no as he decided it was happening regardless of what senedd wanted was debated 7 days after it started! As for money he asked boris after he implemented it not before too bring in something halfway through furlough was asking for trouble he as not asked anyone before putting things on Welsh people.... he asks medical advisers and as long as they agree with him it's ok! as soon as it contradicts him he ignores it and doesn't tell you where he got evidence from typical politicians traite.... as for you syndrome point what a load of bollocks just because people dont like or want Wg or dont like drakeford doesn't mean they stand up for England? and to describe them as sell outs is pathetic just because you are welsh nationalist and others are not pro independence..

I'd rather abolish boris and his bunch of self serving money wasting twats. Wasted £10 billion on paying over the odds for PPE because they failed the country by not having enough stock for an epidemic and ended up paying top dollar in the mad scramble to procure sufficient supplies. They also gave huge contracts to their business friends for face masks which had to be dumped because they didn't meet standards. If anyone needs to be abolished it's the UK government who still think that Britannia rules the waves.

And Wales will become an independent nation despite being held back by the little englanders among us.
The funny thing is that it will be the so called Unionists that will cause the demise and eventual break up of the Union.

first time you posted this i just thought you were very ill informed...or repeating something from a left wing blog..{ which was why i put all those links up } .. but clearly not....youre aware its rubbish, aware there was a worldwide PPE shortage and aware why there was..... aware that supply and demand drove the prices up and NOBODY could buy at 2019 prices... over the odds does not or ever has meant buying something for its current price just because you think its too expensive.... should every country in the world have said fck it we are not buying... ...

I fully understand the concept of supply and demand and how that affects market prices.
The point I was making is that the UK, as the 5th richest country in the world, should have been prepared for a national/worldwide pandemic. It's the duty of the government to keep its citizens protected.
There was a Panorama programme a few months ago where the UK government actually claimed that we were prepared for such an event...but surprise surprise it was all bollocks.
If they had been prepared, as they said they were, then they wouldn't have been forced to pay TEN BILLION POUNDS over the odds on the world market. It was the job of the UK government to preempt the situation. They failed because they are incompetent liars.

I'd rather abolish boris and his bunch of self serving money wasting twats. Wasted £10 billion on paying over the odds for PPE because they failed the country by not having enough stock for an epidemic and ended up paying top dollar in the mad scramble to procure sufficient supplies. They also gave huge contracts to their business friends for face masks which had to be dumped because they didn't meet standards. If anyone needs to be abolished it's the UK government who still think that Britannia rules the waves.

And Wales will become an independent nation despite being held back by the little englanders among us.
The funny thing is that it will be the so called Unionists that will cause the demise and eventual break up of the Union.

first time you posted this i just thought you were very ill informed...or repeating something from a left wing blog..{ which was why i put all those links up } .. but clearly not....youre aware its rubbish, aware there was a worldwide PPE shortage and aware why there was..... aware that supply and demand drove the prices up and NOBODY could buy at 2019 prices... over the odds does not or ever has meant buying something for its current price just because you think its too expensive.... should every country in the world have said fck it we are not buying... ...

I fully understand the concept of supply and demand and how that affects market prices.
The point I was making is that the UK, as the 5th richest country in the world, should have been prepared for a national/worldwide pandemic. It's the duty of the government to keep its citizens protected.
There was a Panorama programme a few months ago where the UK government actually claimed that we were prepared for such an event...but surprise surprise it was all bollocks.
If they had been prepared, as they said they were, then they wouldn't have been forced to pay TEN BILLION POUNDS over the odds on the world market. It was the job of the UK government to preempt the situation. They failed because they are incompetent liars.

What did welsh labour have, 1,000,000 clipboards, 300,000 Tetley tea bags, two gimp masks and 2 pairs of latex gloves for private sessions.

What a load of nonsense, there could be another aids type virus in the future, should Boris stockpile 500 million johnnies just in case?

They were as prepared as almost every other Country bar the ones that had the Sars virus.

I'd rather abolish boris and his bunch of self serving money wasting twats. Wasted £10 billion on paying over the odds for PPE because they failed the country by not having enough stock for an epidemic and ended up paying top dollar in the mad scramble to procure sufficient supplies. They also gave huge contracts to their business friends for face masks which had to be dumped because they didn't meet standards. If anyone needs to be abolished it's the UK government who still think that Britannia rules the waves.

And Wales will become an independent nation despite being held back by the little englanders among us.
The funny thing is that it will be the so called Unionists that will cause the demise and eventual break up of the Union.

first time you posted this i just thought you were very ill informed...or repeating something from a left wing blog..{ which was why i put all those links up } .. but clearly not....youre aware its rubbish, aware there was a worldwide PPE shortage and aware why there was..... aware that supply and demand drove the prices up and NOBODY could buy at 2019 prices... over the odds does not or ever has meant buying something for its current price just because you think its too expensive.... should every country in the world have said fck it we are not buying... ...

I fully understand the concept of supply and demand and how that affects market prices.
The point I was making is that the UK, as the 5th richest country in the world, should have been prepared for a national/worldwide pandemic. It's the duty of the government to keep its citizens protected.
There was a Panorama programme a few months ago where the UK government actually claimed that we were prepared for such an event...but surprise surprise it was all bollocks.
If they had been prepared, as they said they were, then they wouldn't have been forced to pay TEN BILLION POUNDS over the odds on the world market. It was the job of the UK government to preempt the situation. They failed because they are incompetent liars.

you fully understand.... then go on to prove without a shadow of doubt that you do not...
everyone had huge shortages of PPE... everyone.. which drove the price up... and over the odds means paying more than you can aquire them from elsewhere...not what it cost at some time previous.... ive just sold 2 vehicles mate and got 3k less than they were worth last Feb... i didnt get under the odds...i got the going rate...its how things work.. have always worked...what on earth have WAG got them teaching you youngsters i dont know.....
as for pre empt...seriously ? Boris should have been the only person alive to know about covid...

I'd rather abolish boris and his bunch of self serving money wasting twats. Wasted £10 billion on paying over the odds for PPE because they failed the country by not having enough stock for an epidemic and ended up paying top dollar in the mad scramble to procure sufficient supplies. They also gave huge contracts to their business friends for face masks which had to be dumped because they didn't meet standards. If anyone needs to be abolished it's the UK government who still think that Britannia rules the waves.

And Wales will become an independent nation despite being held back by the little englanders among us.
The funny thing is that it will be the so called Unionists that will cause the demise and eventual break up of the Union.

first time you posted this i just thought you were very ill informed...or repeating something from a left wing blog..{ which was why i put all those links up } .. but clearly not....youre aware its rubbish, aware there was a worldwide PPE shortage and aware why there was..... aware that supply and demand drove the prices up and NOBODY could buy at 2019 prices... over the odds does not or ever has meant buying something for its current price just because you think its too expensive.... should every country in the world have said fck it we are not buying... ...

We agree

i put 6 links up for him a couple of weeks ago... from China buying up every piece of gear they could in january... to france burning a billion masks they thought they did not need..but did need...to a german doctors nude ppe protest to various other countries like ourselves buying at now massively inflated rates... ...just ignored them and comes back with over the odds... well i could have bought an 18 can slab of bow for a tenner in feb... its now £17.82 because of the minimum unit price ..its not over the odds,its the new going rate...
how difficult can it be to realise covid is something nobody saw coming and nobody was prepared for.... bloody hell...

Here's a breakdown of some stats I found in about 10 minutes of looking.

Using the most up to date Covid figures this is the breakdown of the total number of cases and deaths between the 4 countries of the UK. The percentage next to population is the percentage share of the total UK population, next to the cases and deaths the percentages shows each countries percentage of the total UK cases and deaths. Red means it's over the population percentage and green means it's under.

England
Population - 56m / 84%
Cases - 1,620k / 85.7%
Deaths - 56,847 / 87.5%
Deaths per million - 1,015.13

Wales
Population - 3.2m / 4.8%
Cases - 103k / 5.4%
Deaths - 2,891 / 4.5%
Deaths per million - 903.44

Scotland
Population - 5.5m / 8.3%
Cases - 108k / 5.7%
Deaths - 4,135 / 6.4%
Deaths per million - 751.82

N. Ireland
Population - 1.9m / 2.9%
Cases - 59k / 3.1%
Deaths - 1,135 / 1.7%
Deaths per million - 597.37

So England's cases and deaths are proportionally higher than their population.
Wales and N.Ireland's cases are proportionally higher than their populations but their deaths are proportionally lower.
Scotland has proportionally lower cases and deaths than their population.
The UK's Deaths per million is 974.6. England is the only country with a DPM that is higher than the UK average

Other comments of note:

- Population Density.
Wales' population is much more condensed than England and there is a strong correlation between Population Density and higher cases/deaths.
35% of Wales' population live in 3 urban areas (cities and suburbs). In England the densest 35% of the population are in 8 urban areas.

- Age Demographic.
Covid is commonly known to affect older populations more than younger and the average deaths are people aged 80.
18.36% of Wales' population are 65+. In England 16.33% of the population are 65+.
5.02% of Wales' population are 80+. In England 4.49% of the population are 80+

Based on density and age demographics Wales should arguably have a higher death rate than England yet our death rate is lower.

Comparing all the above numbers and statistics, The Senedd, Holyrood and Stormont have combatted Covid better than Westminster has.

Simple isn’t it.. London(8M) has a population density 33x that of Wales..combine the large urban areas and its skews the figures again. Also consider influx into the major travel hubs, and larger bame, then the figure is a lot different. NI Govt was suspended for 3 years until Jan 2020, and run by London.

You need to reassess your weightings..

I'd rather abolish boris and his bunch of self serving money wasting twats. Wasted £10 billion on paying over the odds for PPE because they failed the country by not having enough stock for an epidemic and ended up paying top dollar in the mad scramble to procure sufficient supplies. They also gave huge contracts to their business friends for face masks which had to be dumped because they didn't meet standards. If anyone needs to be abolished it's the UK government who still think that Britannia rules the waves.

And Wales will become an independent nation despite being held back by the little englanders among us.
The funny thing is that it will be the so called Unionists that will cause the demise and eventual break up of the Union.

first time you posted this i just thought you were very ill informed...or repeating something from a left wing blog..{ which was why i put all those links up } .. but clearly not....youre aware its rubbish, aware there was a worldwide PPE shortage and aware why there was..... aware that supply and demand drove the prices up and NOBODY could buy at 2019 prices... over the odds does not or ever has meant buying something for its current price just because you think its too expensive.... should every country in the world have said fck it we are not buying... ...

I fully understand the concept of supply and demand and how that affects market prices.
The point I was making is that the UK, as the 5th richest country in the world, should have been prepared for a national/worldwide pandemic. It's the duty of the government to keep its citizens protected.
There was a Panorama programme a few months ago where the UK government actually claimed that we were prepared for such an event...but surprise surprise it was all bollocks.
If they had been prepared, as they said they were, then they wouldn't have been forced to pay TEN BILLION POUNDS over the odds on the world market. It was the job of the UK government to preempt the situation. They failed because they are incompetent liars.

What did welsh labour have, 1,000,000 clipboards, 300,000 Tetley tea bags, two gimp masks and 2 pairs of latex gloves for private sessions.

What a load of nonsense, there could be another aids type virus in the future, should Boris stockpile 500 million johnnies just in case?

They were as prepared as almost every other Country bar the ones that had the Sars virus.

Childish response.

I'd rather abolish boris and his bunch of self serving money wasting twats. Wasted £10 billion on paying over the odds for PPE because they failed the country by not having enough stock for an epidemic and ended up paying top dollar in the mad scramble to procure sufficient supplies. They also gave huge contracts to their business friends for face masks which had to be dumped because they didn't meet standards. If anyone needs to be abolished it's the UK government who still think that Britannia rules the waves.

And Wales will become an independent nation despite being held back by the little englanders among us.
The funny thing is that it will be the so called Unionists that will cause the demise and eventual break up of the Union.

first time you posted this i just thought you were very ill informed...or repeating something from a left wing blog..{ which was why i put all those links up } .. but clearly not....youre aware its rubbish, aware there was a worldwide PPE shortage and aware why there was..... aware that supply and demand drove the prices up and NOBODY could buy at 2019 prices... over the odds does not or ever has meant buying something for its current price just because you think its too expensive.... should every country in the world have said fck it we are not buying... ...

We agree

i put 6 links up for him a couple of weeks ago... from China buying up every piece of gear they could in january... to france burning a billion masks they thought they did not need..but did need...to a german doctors nude ppe protest to various other countries like ourselves buying at now massively inflated rates... ...just ignored them and comes back with over the odds... well i could have bought an 18 can slab of bow for a tenner in feb... its now £17.82 because of the minimum unit price ..its not over the odds,its the new going rate...
how difficult can it be to realise covid is something nobody saw coming and nobody was prepared for.... bloody hell...

But they said they were prepared!!! That's the whole point.

Wales are in this position because of the labour leader wanting a fire break when we did and the Welsh government because they are labour felt that had to follow what he wanted ,let's be fair here the NHS has been run badly in Wales and don't say they have not had the money. 147milion wasted on M4 relief consultation,and as for going totally independent what have Wales got to sustain ourselves not a lot , people up the valleys keep voting for labour ,ask yourself what have they done for you to bring your areas out of poverty,I know the answer do you

Here's a breakdown of some stats I found in about 10 minutes of looking.

Using the most up to date Covid figures this is the breakdown of the total number of cases and deaths between the 4 countries of the UK. The percentage next to population is the percentage share of the total UK population, next to the cases and deaths the percentages shows each countries percentage of the total UK cases and deaths. Red means it's over the population percentage and green means it's under.

England
Population - 56m / 84%
Cases - 1,620k / 85.7%
Deaths - 56,847 / 87.5%
Deaths per million - 1,015.13

Wales
Population - 3.2m / 4.8%
Cases - 103k / 5.4%
Deaths - 2,891 / 4.5%
Deaths per million - 903.44

Scotland
Population - 5.5m / 8.3%
Cases - 108k / 5.7%
Deaths - 4,135 / 6.4%
Deaths per million - 751.82

N. Ireland
Population - 1.9m / 2.9%
Cases - 59k / 3.1%
Deaths - 1,135 / 1.7%
Deaths per million - 597.37

So England's cases and deaths are proportionally higher than their population.
Wales and N.Ireland's cases are proportionally higher than their populations but their deaths are proportionally lower.
Scotland has proportionally lower cases and deaths than their population.
The UK's Deaths per million is 974.6. England is the only country with a DPM that is higher than the UK average

Other comments of note:

- Population Density.
Wales' population is much more condensed than England and there is a strong correlation between Population Density and higher cases/deaths.
35% of Wales' population live in 3 urban areas (cities and suburbs). In England the densest 35% of the population are in 8 urban areas.

- Age Demographic.
Covid is commonly known to affect older populations more than younger and the average deaths are people aged 80.
18.36% of Wales' population are 65+. In England 16.33% of the population are 65+.
5.02% of Wales' population are 80+. In England 4.49% of the population are 80+

Based on density and age demographics Wales should arguably have a higher death rate than England yet our death rate is lower.

Comparing all the above numbers and statistics, The Senedd, Holyrood and Stormont have combatted Covid better than Westminster has.

Simple isn’t it.. London(8M) has a population density 33x that of Wales..combine the large urban areas and its skews the figures again. Also consider influx into the major travel hubs, and larger bame, then the figure is a lot different. NI Govt was suspended for 3 years until Jan 2020, and run by London.

You need to reassess your weightings..

I'm not sure what your point is about the population density of London? Of course a city will have a denser population than an entire country, that's why I specifically didn't compare the population densities of the 2 countries.
Cardiff is 1365x denser than Australia, 565x denser than Russia and 16x denser than England.
If you want to compare cities London's population density is actually only 1.22x greater than Cardiff, 1.47x greater than Newport and 1.56x greater than Swansea.

Cardiff, Swansea and Newport are the 3 largest populated areas in Wales and account for 35% of Wales' population. Comparatively the 8 largest populated area of England account for 35% of England's population.



The N. Irish government may have been suspended for 3 years but from what I understand it has now been re-established and active since Jan 11th 2020, 7 weeks before their first confirmed Covid case and 9 weeks before their first death.

Regardless of N. Ireland, Wales with an arguably denser population and undisputedly older population has fared better than England has.

You said based on demographics, then compared the numbers. Raw data is incomparable.

Ok. This line of being amazed Welsh people want to side with England is driving me up the wall and utterly false.
We are British. For a good couple centuries we have been British. Westminster is the parliament of these isles and has been for a long time!

We aren’t “siding with England “ and the attempts to sew
Division between our countrymen and ourselves is appalling.

Not liking the Welsh assembly as an organisation is just that. Not liking the Welsh assembly. We can have many reasons for that. Wishing we were English is not one of them.

We already have representatives in the form of our mp’s so we don’t have nothings

You said based on demographics, then compared the numbers. Raw data is incomparable.

Which part of my post do you think is incorrect? I genuinely don't see your argument against it.

If you isolate each point and go only off of age demographics then Wales has an older population then England. And it's common knowledge that age is a major factor in Covid deaths yet Wales has a lower death rate than England.

If you want to only look at population density I think I've put forward a reasonable argument to suggest that Wales has a denser population compared to England.

The 3 biggest cities in Wales account for 35% of Wales' population.
The 8 biggest cities in England account for 35% of England's population.

With further research I can tell you the following:
- The Top 10 most populated areas of England account for 21,076,000 people or 38% of the total population.
- The Top 10 most populated areas of Wales account for 1,458,000 people or 46% of the total population.

- The Top 20 most populated areas of England account for 24,925,000 people or 45% of the total population.
- The Top 20 most populated areas of Wales account for 1,798,000 people or 56% of the total population.

You are correct that from a geographical standpoint that Wales has a smaller population density than England. But the virus doesn't infect land, so including the valleys and the mountain ranges of mid wales where no one lives doesn't provide an accurate representation. However when we look at the spread of people in Wales compared to England it's much more dense as our population is much less spread out compared to England's.

If you have disagreements with what I've said please highlight where you think I'm wrong because I believe, whilst we may not have dealt with the virus well, we've dealt with it better than England and Westminster and I'd prefer to be proven wrong than to believe something false.

You’re talking about Geography, not epidemiology. Therein lies the rub..

You’re talking about Geography, not epidemiology. Therein lies the rub..

Except I’m not, I specifically mentioned that taking a countries whole population density is a geographical measure that would be inappropriate in this scenario. Did you even read my comment?

“Epidemiology is the study and analysis of the distribution (who, when, and where), patterns and determinants of health and disease conditions in defined populations.”

That’s a definition of Epidemiology.
I highlighted the population characteristics I was discussing. 35% of each country, one contained within 3 population centres and the other contained within 8 population centres.
Then I showed that the 10 largest populations in Wales and the 10 largest populations in England and explained how the 10 Welsh locations contains a higher percentage of the total population compared to England.
Then I showed the same thing with the 20 largest populations of each country and again showed that Wales has a more dense population.

So again I’ll ask, which bits am I wrong in and how am I wrong? Clearly I’m not getting it so maybe explain it to me with more than 1 sentence. As I said if you can explain to me how I’m wrong I’ll happily accept it but so far you’ve not really provided an argument on your side.