Updated: I am sticking my neck out and say that we have

I am sticking my neck out and say that we have a damn good chance of making the play-offs. I do not believe we have any chance of automatic promotion - as we do not have the quality and already the points gap is building up .

As it stands - today we are 10th (with a game in hand over some) and my reasoning is :



(1) None of the clubs below us will finish above us. .


(2) From those above us , I can not see Middlesbrough , Barnsley Stoke or Reading finishing above us.


(3) I see Bristol City and Brentford as our only credible competitors.

This means 3 clubs competing for 2 spots.

(4) If Harris gets the backing in January and if recruits wisely our chances will improve further - but I look at this as a bonus and we can make it without.



My conclusion is that we should calm down ........ we are in a good spot.


What do you think ?






Updated:



It looks to me that January is what the season is about .

Is Harris in or out ? and are we recruiting or not ? and whatever changes we make in players and/or manager ..... will those decisions prove to be the right ones ?

We will soon find out. Over to you Mr Tan .

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Sack harris. Back new manager in january

We draw too many games. Harris inherently is defensive, keep it tight and nick one manager and will get found our more often than not against the top teams.

After the lockdown it was do or die, there wasn't a downside to going for it as we couldn't get relegated and if we never made the playoffs, Warnocks poor start would be blamed.

The pressure of this year has suffocated him. When he was backed up against the wall 5 games ago he brought in Harris a hard working youngster to help Moore and it worked until the jack manager toyed with him.

With this squad you have to go 433, as Warnock did. Harris expects his wide men to do even more defensive work than Warnock. Harry Wilson is closer to Smithies than the opposition goalie, he is a gloried full back. Which is what i think the Josh issue is. But 433 means 3 forwards being forwards and he won't do that.

I wouldn't give him a penny. I also wonder if Liverpool can recall Wilson for a permanent transfer, I would be shocked if they never had that clause inserted.

Warnock bought Glatzel & Pack, both were not typical Warnock players, he knew it and left. We need to maximize Glatzel attributes over the next month and playing him up top on his own is a recipe for disaster, Lets see if Harris has any invention, i very much doubt it. Murphy Glatzel and Wilson with limited defensive duties should be enough to scare nearly all the teams in this league.
I am afraid our manager is too afraid to lose.

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Nigel Harris:


I personally think Reading have more midfield quality than us even if they're not the most convincing side. They have had their big blip too.

I do fear all the current Top 6 have that touch more quality than the rest but I hope to be wrong, I am also not sure we will be any closer to them by January which is crucial for the board. Harris certainly another needs 4 wins out next 5 and beat Brentford to be there.

The issue is if we're still off the pace by Jan will the Board back Harris when things seem to be a little uneasy? Likewise, will they change managers now when I expect they will not back him in January? I just don't see we will show the ambition to go for it so it's down to the current squad to sort themselves out.

Interesting to see if they also do anything to Bennett, Hoillett, Cunningham going out of contract in May. Not sure any will be offered new ones (especially anywhere near current terms) so do they try to sell in Jan or let them go for £0 in May?

I dare say the players and manager are under no illusions about our views but I still think we can make the playoffs and then who knows.

Annis, if Harris gets terrible results over the festive fixtures I can see him going by the FA cup fixture.

Either way the team needs a RB, 2 midfielders, winger and a poacher of a striker so that’s 5 in on loan and bought. If we don’t it’ll mean the club are happy to finish in the top ten.

It boils down to whether the powers to be trust Harris to deliver.

I agree with Pulipnewport ..in regards of what we need.. Harris hasn t got the Nous to out think other managers...
this team needs a shake up and a decent manager . We see some games where they are up for it and then some when they are not...this must have a lot to do with the manager is asking of them..if not then they shouldn t be playing football for a living.

I want to see my team fighting for the manager on the pitch..they are not

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Nigel Harris:


I personally think Reading have more midfield quality than us even if they're not the most convincing side. They have had their big blip too.

I do fear all the current Top 6 have that touch more quality than the rest but I hope to be wrong, I am also not sure we will be any closer to them by January which is crucial for the board. Harris certainly another needs 4 wins out next 5 and beat Brentford to be there.

The issue is if we're still off the pace by Jan will the Board back Harris when things seem to be a little uneasy? Likewise, will they change managers now when I expect they will not back him in January? I just don't see we will show the ambition to go for it so it's down to the current squad to sort themselves out.

Interesting to see if they also do anything to Bennett, Hoillett, Cunningham going out of contract in May. Not sure any will be offered new ones (especially anywhere near current terms) so do they try to sell in Jan or let them go for £0 in May?

I certainly think that Bennett, Hoilett and Cunningham may go unless they sign a new contract and I would back that even though I think Bennett and Hoilett still have something to offer and would cost a lot to replace.

The Board now have a very difficult decision to make. Many of us wanted Harris gone before the 4 wins in a row, but after the nature of the Swansea defeat I'm veering more towards making a longer term decision and accepting Harris is incapable of a sustained period of improved results.

That said, there is no point in sacking Harris if there isn't a better option available/willing to take us forward.

We've now been down a number of routes for managers. Personally, I think that a strong manager close to the players but also understanding the club is now really important.

Whereas this time last year I was against Bellamy coming back, I think now is probably his time. Get him on board with an experienced assistant and Bamba on the staff and then give them a clear 18-24 months to change the philosophy and build from the bottom, which is something none of the recent managers have done.

I can see both sides of the argument about Harris but we do seem to lurch from one good spell to a bad one with alarming regularity and given the squad he has at his disposal that can't be excused for much longer.

Sack harris. Back new manager in january

Bilic about to be sacked at WBA he would be ideal.

Sack harris. Back new manager in january

Bilic about to be sacked at WBA he would be ideal.

He's terrible, yes he's won promotion but with a strong squad.

There should be some panic and some decent Managers come available by mid-January, hold fire until we can definitely get better, and it gives Harris a chance to show if he can do it or not?

It looks to me that January is what the season is about .

Is Harris in or out ? and are we recruiting or not ? and whatever changes we make in players and/or manager ..... will those decisions prove to be the right ones ?

We will soon find out. Over to you Mr Tan .

Despite how inconsistent we've been this season we are not a far off the playoffs now. A win tonight and we are 3 points off 6th. I think we need to bring in 2 players in January and get lucky with injuries to stand a chance though.

I'd create funds by selling cunningham (he leaves for free in the summer) and I'd bring in a rb as a priority. Although we do need a creative midfielder as well. Any signings should be made with the aim of moving the team towards a better passing game.

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Neil Disson:

Positivity is the best way forward. Negativity damages morale. Everyone roll your sleeves up and get behind the team you love and forget past results - yes, including THAT one

I am sticking my neck out and say that we have a damn good chance of making the play-offs. I do not believe we have any chance of automatic promotion - as we do not have the quality and already the points gap is building up .

As it stands - today we are 10th (with a game in hand over some) and my reasoning is :



(1) None of the clubs below us will finish above us. .


(2) From those above us , I can not see Middlesbrough , Barnsley Stoke or Reading finishing above us.


(3) I see Bristol City and Brentford as our only credible competitors.

This means 3 clubs competing for 2 spots.

(4) If Harris gets the backing in January and if recruits wisely our chances will improve further - but I look at this as a bonus and we can make it without.



My conclusion is that we should calm down ........ we are in a good spot.


What do you think ?






Updated:



It looks to me that January is what the season is about .

Is Harris in or out ? and are we recruiting or not ? and whatever changes we make in players and/or manager ..... will those decisions prove to be the right ones ?

We will soon find out. Over to you Mr Tan .

Fair assessment Annis, recent results show we are not a million miles away but we are very inconsistent, and if we go behind you can see the heads go down and confidence drain away.

Losing Moore is a bit of a worry, can Glatzel and Harris form the same sort of partnership, fingers crossed?

I love your belief Annis but I think we have nothing better than a punchers chance of making the playoffs. On an average season we would need 75 points to make the playoffs and we have 28 games left to get the 49 points to get us there.

At best we have been inconsistent this season with to many games drawn or lost, at the moment 1/3 of our games lost, and we are not even at the halfway point of the season. So far we have won around 48% of the points available to reach the playoffs we need to win 59% of the points available, where is the improvement going to come from?

I don't believe the club should give NH anymore money as I think there is a big risk of it being wasted, however with a new manager they would have to offer him support in January and maybe it will be possible.

The only thing I'm confident about is like you I don't think we will finish lower than we are at the moment but whilst I hope we can make the playoffs it's to big an ask.

Unless of course in January we get a fit Lee Tomlin back in the team so let's hope his operation has solved the problem.

I love your belief Annis but I think we have nothing better than a punchers chance of making the playoffs. On an average season we would need 75 points to make the playoffs and we have 28 games left to get the 49 points to get us there.

At best we have been inconsistent this season with to many games drawn or lost, at the moment 1/3 of our games lost, and we are not even at the halfway point of the season. So far we have won around 48% of the points available to reach the playoffs we need to win 59% of the points available, where is the improvement going to come from?

I don't believe the club should give NH anymore money as I think there is a big risk of it being wasted, however with a new manager they would have to offer him support in January and maybe it will be possible.

The only thing I'm confident about is like you I don't think we will finish lower than we are at the moment but whilst I hope we can make the playoffs it's to big an ask.

Unless of course in January we get a fit Lee Tomlin back in the team so let's hope his operation has solved the problem.

Gary,

As usual your posts are honest and fair


But if the current board keep Neil Harris beyond January, then they must believe in him, so for me they have to then back him.

Thankfully relegation is out

Midd table def, but with our strike force, we should be good enough for the play-offs.

My worry like you is Harris is VERY inconsistent.

I love your belief Annis but I think we have nothing better than a punchers chance of making the playoffs. On an average season we would need 75 points to make the playoffs and we have 28 games left to get the 49 points to get us there.

At best we have been inconsistent this season with to many games drawn or lost, at the moment 1/3 of our games lost, and we are not even at the halfway point of the season. So far we have won around 48% of the points available to reach the playoffs we need to win 59% of the points available, where is the improvement going to come from?

I don't believe the club should give NH anymore money as I think there is a big risk of it being wasted, however with a new manager they would have to offer him support in January and maybe it will be possible.

The only thing I'm confident about is like you I don't think we will finish lower than we are at the moment but whilst I hope we can make the playoffs it's to big an ask.

Unless of course in January we get a fit Lee Tomlin back in the team so let's hope his operation has solved the problem.

Gary,

As usual your posts are honest and fair


But if the current board keep Neil Harris beyond January, then they must believe in him, so for me they have to then back him.

Thankfully relegation is out

Midd table def, but with our strike force, we should be good enough for the play-offs.

My worry like you is Harris is VERY inconsistent.

Annid, you're right about the board backing Harris. If he is not going to be backed in January then there is no point keeping him on as manager and should be replaced with someone who they will back. We need a rb and a creative midfielder. So signing those types players will be needed anyway regardless of who is manager.

With no chance of relegation and being in touching distance of the playoffs, Harris will be here until the end of the season. But he needs to be backed in January to make at least 1 addition.

I love your belief Annis but I think we have nothing better than a punchers chance of making the playoffs. On an average season we would need 75 points to make the playoffs and we have 28 games left to get the 49 points to get us there.

At best we have been inconsistent this season with to many games drawn or lost, at the moment 1/3 of our games lost, and we are not even at the halfway point of the season. So far we have won around 48% of the points available to reach the playoffs we need to win 59% of the points available, where is the improvement going to come from?

I don't believe the club should give NH anymore money as I think there is a big risk of it being wasted, however with a new manager they would have to offer him support in January and maybe it will be possible.

The only thing I'm confident about is like you I don't think we will finish lower than we are at the moment but whilst I hope we can make the playoffs it's to big an ask.

Unless of course in January we get a fit Lee Tomlin back in the team so let's hope his operation has solved the problem.

Gary,

As usual your posts are honest and fair


But if the current board keep Neil Harris beyond January, then they must believe in him, so for me they have to then back him.

Thankfully relegation is out

Midd table def, but with our strike force, we should be good enough for the play-offs.

My worry like you is Harris is VERY inconsistent.

Fair enough Annis if NH is still here in January the board should support him IF they are serious about making the playoffs. But I want him gone and I believe IF fans had been at the Coventry and Jacks game both NH and the board would have got a clear view of how the faithful are feeling about things.

I think NH can thank his lucky stars fans were not in the ground on Saturday because I believe it would have got ugly.

Sack harris. Back new manager in january

Bilic about to be sacked at WBA he would be ideal.

He's terrible even though he won promotion at his first attempt. OK mate enjoy your day.


He's terrible, yes he's won promotion but with a strong squad.

There should be some panic and some decent Managers come available by mid-January, hold fire until we can definitely get better, and it gives Harris a chance to show if he can do it or not?

I agree with Pulipnewport ..in regards of what we need.. Harris hasn t got the Nous to out think other managers...
this team needs a shake up and a decent manager . We see some games where they are up for it and then some when they are not...this must have a lot to do with the manager is asking of them..if not then they shouldn t be playing football for a living.

I want to see my team fighting for the manager on the pitch..they are not

The displays in the 4 previous games say different though,its the defeat to the jacks that he and players deserve stick for!! 12 from 15 points on offer is promotion form in truth,the big question is can they keep that sort of form up?

I agree with Pulipnewport ..in regards of what we need.. Harris hasn t got the Nous to out think other managers...
this team needs a shake up and a decent manager . We see some games where they are up for it and then some when they are not...this must have a lot to do with the manager is asking of them..if not then they shouldn t be playing football for a living.

I want to see my team fighting for the manager on the pitch..they are not

The displays in the 4 previous games say different though,its the defeat to the jacks that he and players deserve stick for!! 12 from 15 points on offer is promotion form in truth,the big question is can they keep that sort of form up?

I love your belief Annis but I think we have nothing better than a punchers chance of making the playoffs. On an average season we would need 75 points to make the playoffs and we have 28 games left to get the 49 points to get us there.

At best we have been inconsistent this season with to many games drawn or lost, at the moment 1/3 of our games lost, and we are not even at the halfway point of the season. So far we have won around 48% of the points available to reach the playoffs we need to win 59% of the points available, where is the improvement going to come from?

I don't believe the club should give NH anymore money as I think there is a big risk of it being wasted, however with a new manager they would have to offer him support in January and maybe it will be possible.

The only thing I'm confident about is like you I don't think we will finish lower than we are at the moment but whilst I hope we can make the playoffs it's to big an ask.

Unless of course in January we get a fit Lee Tomlin back in the team so let's hope his operation has solved the problem.

Gary,

As usual your posts are honest and fair


But if the current board keep Neil Harris beyond January, then they must believe in him, so for me they have to then back him.

Thankfully relegation is out

Midd table def, but with our strike force, we should be good enough for the play-offs.

My worry like you is Harris is VERY inconsistent.

Fair enough Annis if NH is still here in January the board should support him IF they are serious about making the playoffs. But I want him gone and I believe IF fans had been at the Coventry and Jacks game both NH and the board would have got a clear view of how the faithful are feeling about things.

I think NH can thank his lucky stars fans were not in the ground on Saturday because I believe it would have got ugly.

100% Spot on there Gary, Neil Harris has got away with it due to No fans .

I love your belief Annis but I think we have nothing better than a punchers chance of making the playoffs. On an average season we would need 75 points to make the playoffs and we have 28 games left to get the 49 points to get us there.

At best we have been inconsistent this season with to many games drawn or lost, at the moment 1/3 of our games lost, and we are not even at the halfway point of the season. So far we have won around 48% of the points available to reach the playoffs we need to win 59% of the points available, where is the improvement going to come from?

I don't believe the club should give NH anymore money as I think there is a big risk of it being wasted, however with a new manager they would have to offer him support in January and maybe it will be possible.

The only thing I'm confident about is like you I don't think we will finish lower than we are at the moment but whilst I hope we can make the playoffs it's to big an ask.

Unless of course in January we get a fit Lee Tomlin back in the team so let's hope his operation has solved the problem.

Gary,

As usual your posts are honest and fair


But if the current board keep Neil Harris beyond January, then they must believe in him, so for me they have to then back him.

Thankfully relegation is out

Midd table def, but with our strike force, we should be good enough for the play-offs.

My worry like you is Harris is VERY inconsistent.

Fair enough Annis if NH is still here in January the board should support him IF they are serious about making the playoffs. But I want him gone and I believe IF fans had been at the Coventry and Jacks game both NH and the board would have got a clear view of how the faithful are feeling about things.

I think NH can thank his lucky stars fans were not in the ground on Saturday because I believe it would have got ugly.

100% Spot on there Gary, Neil Harris has got away with it due to No fans .

Annis, if Harris gets terrible results over the festive fixtures I can see him going by the FA cup fixture.

Either way the team needs a RB, 2 midfielders, winger and a poacher of a striker so that’s 5 in on loan and bought. If we don’t it’ll mean the club are happy to finish in the top ten.

It boils down to whether the powers to be trust Harris to deliver.

Karl, a decision has to be made before or early into the next transfer window; and Neil Harris should be told (probably already knows) he is under pressure to deliver

I know for a fact that the club have (ahem) 'sounded out' other managerial possibilities but are still standing by their current manager....for now

Annis, if Harris gets terrible results over the festive fixtures I can see him going by the FA cup fixture.

Either way the team needs a RB, 2 midfielders, winger and a poacher of a striker so that’s 5 in on loan and bought. If we don’t it’ll mean the club are happy to finish in the top ten.

It boils down to whether the powers to be trust Harris to deliver.

Karl, a decision has to be made before or early into the next transfer window; and Neil Harris should be told (probably already knows) he is under pressure to deliver

I know for a fact that the club have (ahem) 'sounded out' other managerial possibilities but are still standing by their current manager....for now

Hi Chris, I think Harris knows he’s on thin ice especially when VT told him he wants to be in top 6 in January.

Harris has to change this team starting tonight we all know where changes have to be made. I just think Harris inexperience let’s him down.

If he does go who next! I’m not sure it would work but Bellamy would be up there for his passion. If he did come I’d like Osian Roberts with him. Welsh passion in abundance.

Let's see how the table looks after tonights game. But I wouldn't write anyone off this early. If you put a run together in The Championship you can move rapidly, we saw what a difference 4 games could make before the Swansea game. I also remember a Neil Warnock Crystal Palace side making up a huge gap, to reach the play offs and gain promotion before.

4 mins gone 4 throws from vaulks ffs

Its all about the parachute payments, thats all these feckers are interested in...WBA prime example and we are no different, not we as in us but the board. All about the money and particularly now.

No chance with this midfield. It’s crap and I have said the same for ages. Ralls is not even average, vaulks is worse and pack is beyond words. We don’t need midfielders who can turn up now and then. We are desperate for a couple of midfielders who will boss the game and dictate it.