Damned whatever he did yesterday if we lost.

No matter what team he put out he was going to be damned whatever he did after losing.

There are people saying he doesn’t know how to put out a winning team. After four wins including v Watford away.

He is getting slated for picking the same team. Imagine he had changed the team and we lost?

We were very poor. Outplayed massively. Quite clearly the players were fatigued as they had played four games on quick succession and anyone who has played football at a reasonable level might be able to inform the rest of us of what impact that had especially when playing against a very good footballing side.

But you can see why he picked that same team. They had performed for him scoring 10 conceding 1. Two good performances and two solid away wins.

A bigger disappointment than that shower of shite was the response on here and Facebook. Not a surprise but still horrific nonetheless.

I have no sympathy at all for him. It was obvious from Tuesdays game we were knackered. He had to rotate. Harris at the very least should not have started and then when it was obvious it wasn't working he should have changed shape and personnel earlier in the game. Even though the team was fatigued the lack of passion and quality was shocking. Not acceptable. Harris is not a 'big game' manager and yesterday was unforgivable and had their been fans there he would deserved a everything he got.
This game broke me and I just want him gone now regardless if results pick up again. He is not a winner.

It's his job to motivate the team, and they didn't look at all motivated yesterday.

The players and manager don't seem to appreciate the importance of that match to the fans.

The last time a team of ours genuinely looked like they understood the importance of a game against Swansea, was when Malky was manager.

I have no sympathy at all for him. It was obvious from Tuesdays game we were knackered. He had to rotate. Harris at the very least should not have started and then when it was obvious it wasn't working he should have changed shape and personnel earlier in the game. Even though the team was fatigued the lack of passion and quality was shocking. Not acceptable. Harris is not a 'big game' manager and yesterday was unforgivable and had their been fans there he would deserved a everything he got.
This game broke me and I just want him gone now regardless if results pick up again. He is not a winner.

He can take the 11 he picked with him as well.

It's his job to motivate the team, and they didn't look at all motivated yesterday.

The players and manager don't seem to appreciate the importance of that match to the fans.

The last time a team of ours genuinely looked like they understood the importance of a game against Swansea, was when Malky was manager.

take it you either did not watch the 2013 game or have just forgotten it.... great to win but thats all you can say about that game.... we were not very good ...

It's his job to motivate the team, and they didn't look at all motivated yesterday.

The players and manager don't seem to appreciate the importance of that match to the fans.

The last time a team of ours genuinely looked like they understood the importance of a game against Swansea, was when Malky was manager.

take it you either did not watch the 2013 game or have just forgotten it.... great to win but thats all you can say about that game.... we were not very good ...

Was it Malky or Bellamy being in the team?

No matter what team he put out he was going to be damned whatever he did after losing.

There are people saying he doesn’t know how to put out a winning team. After four wins including v Watford away.

He is getting slated for picking the same team. Imagine he had changed the team and we lost?

We were very poor. Outplayed massively. Quite clearly the players were fatigued as they had played four games on quick succession and anyone who has played football at a reasonable level might be able to inform the rest of us of what impact that had especially when playing against a very good footballing side.

But you can see why he picked that same team. They had performed for him scoring 10 conceding 1. Two good performances and two solid away wins.

A bigger disappointment than that shower of shite was the response on here and Facebook. Not a surprise but still horrific nonetheless.

Ok keep the winning 11. Surely at half time you see it clearly isn’t working and you change the shape and personnel so we don’t get overrun in midfield like the first half because that would shocking management

No matter what team he put out he was going to be damned whatever he did after losing.

There are people saying he doesn’t know how to put out a winning team. After four wins including v Watford away.

He is getting slated for picking the same team. Imagine he had changed the team and we lost?

We were very poor. Outplayed massively. Quite clearly the players were fatigued as they had played four games on quick succession and anyone who has played football at a reasonable level might be able to inform the rest of us of what impact that had especially when playing against a very good footballing side.

But you can see why he picked that same team. They had performed for him scoring 10 conceding 1. Two good performances and two solid away wins.

A bigger disappointment than that shower of shite was the response on here and Facebook. Not a surprise but still horrific nonetheless.

Ok keep the winning 11. Surely at half time you see it clearly isn’t working and you change the shape and personnel so we don’t get overrun in midfield like the first half because that would shocking management

Brings Pack on when we need a goal he will get stick.

Face it whatever happens Harris is going to get stick from some. It was the same players who played well against in three of out four previous games and got a win against Stoke.

If Pack started he would have got stick for him slowing things down when attacking football worked.
If Hoilet started he would have got stick for picking the more defensive option when Ojo and Wilson have been playing well.
If Glatzel started he would have got stick as Moore and Glatzel haven’t fired as a pair and Harris and Moore have.
If Murphy started I don’t even dare think of the reaction.
If Whyte started it would have been said he’s not good enough.
If Bacuna was moved to midfield, Harris rested and Nelson right back and a new CB played he would have got stick for changing a winning team and matching Swansea and losing creativity.

Anyone else a viable option for change?

Ralls and Vaulks had been lauded as a positive in midfield.
Ojo and Wilson had been lauded as a positive on that wings.
Moore and Harris had been lauded as a positive up top.
Bacuna had been lauded as a positive at right back last couple of games.

My point is. Whatever he did the would have been wrong as we lost.

We are all excellent football managers with hindsight.

It's his job to motivate the team, and they didn't look at all motivated yesterday.

The players and manager don't seem to appreciate the importance of that match to the fans.

The last time a team of ours genuinely looked like they understood the importance of a game against Swansea, was when Malky was manager.

take it you either did not watch the 2013 game or have just forgotten it.... great to win but thats all you can say about that game.... we were not very good ...

Was it Malky or Bellamy being in the team?

no idea what your getting at...but that game was poor.. both sides... of course actually winning makes the difference...but motivated? yes motivated to play park a bus football.....

It's his job to motivate the team, and they didn't look at all motivated yesterday.

The players and manager don't seem to appreciate the importance of that match to the fans.

The last time a team of ours genuinely looked like they understood the importance of a game against Swansea, was when Malky was manager.

take it you either did not watch the 2013 game or have just forgotten it.... great to win but thats all you can say about that game.... we were not very good ...

Was it Malky or Bellamy being in the team?

no idea what your getting at

Was Malky responsible for our players being up for the derby or Bellamy playing?

Most people would have taken the loss on the chin if the team had put the effort in. No passion or effort and being fatigued may have had something to do with it.

Most people would have taken the loss on the chin if the team had put the effort in. No passion or effort and being fatigued may have had something to do with it.

You might well be right there mate.

Neil,

I am not just blaming HARRIS from top to bottom the club has lost its closeness with the fans and don’t realise what yest meant.

I have since spoke to head of Media Wales Paul Abd abd he said the Jacks that were allowed in the Directors box and their Subs when they scored the feeling and passion was unbelievable and when they won it was like winning the World Cup to them.

I can’t say who on the staff sent me an apology saying they let us down and had not realised what the match meant to us

Put our banter aside the club need to be closer to our fans and understand more ASAP.

Our committee and players do not realise how much yest meant to us it was not the 2nil defeat it was the horrible way we played and just never were in it .

Even the coaching staff said to me , we never even I will do !!
I agree with what has been said .
We didn’t raise a glove on them !!

Most people would have taken the loss on the chin if the team had put the effort in. No passion or effort and being fatigued may have had something to do with it.

Spot on

Most people would have taken the loss on the chin if the team had put the effort in. No passion or effort and being fatigued may have had something to do with it.

Spot on

I have to say I don't think there was a noticeable lack of effort from our team yesterday it was just that Swansea were better than us quite a lot better than us at times. Too many of our team had an off day. Smithies made a disastrous mistake for their first goal letting a miscued half hit short through his legs and that set the tone. I would agree that we looked tired by the end and Harris should have used the subsistutes bench much more. Harris is going to have to do a bit of squad rotation and it won't be easy. If Tutti is still unfit in January a good full back is essential even its only another premier league reserve on loan. We desperately need Bacuna's energy and attacking threat in midfield.

I agree with Maccydee, he was knackered either way.

But, he will always be slagged off as he is not the messiah and we love to believe we have a massiah, when we don't we are a right pain in the arse.

By the look of it the Jacks changed to counter us, it worked and it worked for 94 mins.

They played 5 at the back with 3 central midfielders with the highly mobile two up top. Ralls and Vaulks were so outgunned they looked like they were walking in concrete, always second to the ball, they were because it wasn't a fair scrap. This left Harris (M), Wilson and Ojo as passengers and if they did tuck in they are not CM scrappers.

I am an enthusastic amatuer football tactician, but i could see we needed to change after 30 mins. Whether we have the personnel to change is another question. Our very highly paid professional didn't do anything.

I don't think there was much wrong in how we initially set up, but when it obviously wasn't working Harris needed to act and he never.

What is the point of bringing on Whyte at 90 mins ?

It's his job to motivate the team, and they didn't look at all motivated yesterday.

The players and manager don't seem to appreciate the importance of that match to the fans.

The last time a team of ours genuinely looked like they understood the importance of a game against Swansea, was when Malky was manager.

take it you either did not watch the 2013 game or have just forgotten it.... great to win but thats all you can say about that game.... we were not very good ...

Was it Malky or Bellamy being in the team?

no idea what your getting at

Was Malky responsible for our players being up for the derby or Bellamy playing?

no idea , if you thought they were motivated youve also thought it was by those 2
not for me... we were poor....the game was poor...

I agree with Maccydee, he was knackered either way.

But, he will always be slagged off as he is not the messiah and we love to believe we have a massiah, when we don't we are a right pain in the arse.

By the look of it the Jacks changed to counter us, it worked and it worked for 94 mins.

They played 5 at the back with 3 central midfielders with the highly mobile two up top. Ralls and Vaulks were so outgunned they looked like they were walking in concrete, always second to the ball, they were because it wasn't a fair scrap. This left Harris (M), Wilson and Ojo as passengers and if they did tuck in they are not CM scrappers.

I am an enthusastic amatuer football tactician, but i could see we needed to change after 30 mins. Whether we have the personnel to change is another question. Our very highly paid professional didn't do anything.

I don't think there was much wrong in how we initially set up, but when it obviously wasn't working Harris needed to act and he never.

What is the point of bringing on Whyte at 90 mins ?

No point at all bringing Whyte on at 90 mins. I think he would be a shout at right back you know.

It needed a Gunnarrson type player in midfield yesterday for us. Someone who would tell others where to move, who you track etc. Or for our 10 to make the third man.

Your right he was gonna get slated if we lost but its not unique to Cardiff, I've heard United fans slated Fergie no doubt Liverpool fans would slate Klopp.
Lose a Derby managers and players get hammered especially in the hours after the game when emotions are still raw.

Harris did say he was more than happy with the squad but does not rotate and brings on subs when loosing in extra time
ok if we are winning
but we are now allowed 5 subs bagan could have come on yesterday or bencovic and pushed bacuna in mid field to balance up murphy could have used fresh legs instead of ojo but we brought on pack and whyte injury time
No shape

I don’t blame Harris for picking the same 11 but...
1)If things ain’t working, it’s his job to make effective changes...everyone could see we were being over run in midfield.
2)The players lacked the passion and energy to win( don’t forget Swansea’s last game was against st Bournemouth who are flying...not exactly an easy game )

Cooper out thought Harris off the pitch abd the Jack players out fought us on it .
The game seemed to mean more to them as a club than it did to us.
Until the club realises it’s not ‘ just another game ‘ to the supporters of CCFC, nothing will change

I don’t blame Harris for picking the same 11 but...
1)If things ain’t working, it’s his job to make effective changes...everyone could see we were being over run in midfield.
2)The players lacked the passion and energy to win( don’t forget Swansea’s last game was against st Bournemouth who are flying...not exactly an easy game )

Cooper out thought Harris off the pitch abd the Jack players out fought us on it .
The game seemed to mean more to them as a club than it did to us.
Until the club realises it’s not ‘ just another game ‘ to the supporters of CCFC, nothing will change

What changes though to being over run in midfield? We were one nil down very early. An extra midfielder for Harris would be defensive.

The red bottled sending their defender off. We have to take that into account.

I don’t blame Harris for picking the same 11 but...
1)If things ain’t working, it’s his job to make effective changes...everyone could see we were being over run in midfield.
2)The players lacked the passion and energy to win( don’t forget Swansea’s last game was against st Bournemouth who are flying...not exactly an easy game )

Cooper out thought Harris off the pitch abd the Jack players out fought us on it .
The game seemed to mean more to them as a club than it did to us.
Until the club realises it’s not ‘ just another game ‘ to the supporters of CCFC, nothing will change

What changes though to being over run in midfield? We were one nil down very early. An extra midfielder for Harris would be defensive.

The red bottled sending their defender off. We have to take that into account.

Cooper changed his side from Bournemouth game to counter our physicality! Doesnt matter about early goal or 2nd yellow because Harris as stated he made mistake not changing team, so while cooper changed team Harris didn't that is reason we lost because all good managers know when to change side even after 4 straight wins! He could have told fans was resting players on Friday for game at least he could defend himself if we had lost instead had no defence for his mistake

No matter what team he put out he was going to be damned whatever he did after losing.

There are people saying he doesn’t know how to put out a winning team. After four wins including v Watford away.

He is getting slated for picking the same team. Imagine he had changed the team and we lost?

We were very poor. Outplayed massively. Quite clearly the players were fatigued as they had played four games on quick succession and anyone who has played football at a reasonable level might be able to inform the rest of us of what impact that had especially when playing against a very good footballing side.

But you can see why he picked that same team. They had performed for him scoring 10 conceding 1. Two good performances and two solid away wins.

A bigger disappointment than that shower of shite was the response on here and Facebook. Not a surprise but still horrific nonetheless.

I’ve said something similar on social media. His biggest mistake was not making plenty of changes at half-time.

On a positive note, that’s 4 wins from 5, so we’ve improved lately results-wise.

Also, agree with you on the negative responses.

No issue with Harris picking the same 11 as its Hard to change a winning team. But we were shite all game and at no point did Harris try to change the game - and he should be critised for that and its something he needs to sort out ASAP. Harris has talked about having 5 subs available yet no subs were made when the team were clearly tired. Vaulks and ralls were chasing shadows all game and I remember thinking at the time it was only a matter of time before one of them received a second yellow. He should have shifted wilson into the middle and brought on Murphy/whyte for Harris. Swansea are the best team defensively in the league and we were so predictable all game - they didn't even have to work that hard.

We need a win and good performances tomorrow or Harris will be back under pressure.

Its laughable to think the club have even the remotest connection to the fans or understand what the derby game means.remember this is the same regime that gave us Cardiff red.