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Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:18 pm

1.Benkovic has to start
2.Baccuna has to play in the middle
3.Wilson has to play in the No 10 Role

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given

Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:16 am

Absolutely Sir. Spot on. At last a poster with common sense.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given

Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:37 am

Hard to disagree with that! :ayatollah:

Let's go with it and see what happens (with either the recovered Moore or Glatzel at the top) :bluescarf:

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:42 am

Agree.

Won't happen though. He'll bring in Pack for the suspended Ralls and Glatzel for the injured Moore.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:30 am

Issue 1 Is That Tutu Is Injured
So There Is No Replacement

Benkovic May Still Be Unfit
And Wilson Should Stick To The Wing Alongside Ojo

I just think its Swansea that were up for the game more so than us so in some games teams will not be as threatening such as Wycombe Birmingham And Rotherham.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:39 am

Llantwit Blue wrote:1.Benkovic has to start
2.Baccuna has to play in the middle
3.Wilson has to play in the No 10 Role

Agree
But who would you play at right back?

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:15 am

Sam ReaN wrote:Issue 1 Is That Tutu Is Injured
So There Is No Replacement

Benkovic May Still Be Unfit
And Wilson Should Stick To The Wing Alongside Ojo

I just think its Swansea that were up for the game more so than us so in some games teams will not be as threatening such as Wycombe Birmingham And Rotherham.

Not time to mess with my Tutu

Benkovic fit but maybe not up to game speed?

Wilson needs to be brought inside as a No.10 with Ojo going out to the wing and staying there

Swansea were set 'up' for the game after 6 minutes when they went 1-0 ahead and the Bluebirds offered little to test their decent defence

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:42 am

How do you get Benzoic up to game speed or match fit if you don't play him???

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:42 am

robbo wrote:How do you get Benzoic up to game speed or match fit if you don't play him???

I just meant he might not be at point of entry to the first eleven :thumbright:

Personally, I'd play him and give one of the the other centre backs a rest or move Nelson to full back :ayatollah:

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:02 am

Agreed. Benkovic is warming the bench atm. Get him playing.

Wilson needs to change position. Clearly where he’s playing now isn’t doing anyone any favours.

Harris please recruit in January!! Centre back please.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:34 am

Agree about Wilson. He can play on the right but not in a 4 as he isn’t able to get forward very much and spends a lot of time defending, we are basically just playing him for his set piece ability. Either he needs to play in the right of a five, or as I would prefer he needs to play behind glatzel on Wednesday.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:40 am

With you there Mo ...but Harris wont do it ...that s why he has to go...0-1 in 2mins to Bristol city 0-1 to swans 6mins and at home and unable to recover two Home Derbies. Warnock went after the Bristol loss last year Harris needs to go....those 4 wins were papering over the cracks....they cannot sustain those levels.and Harris seems unable to change things ..no plan B

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:13 am

Agree as long as Nelson doesn’t go to full back...would rather see bennet switch to rb and Cunningham /Bagan start..

Wilson scored 15 goal I think for derby and was played as a 10 a fair bit.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:15 am

Also, he needs to start giving Benkovic game time otherwise he’s a pointless signing and we need to see what he’s about

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:19 am

Blueman39 wrote:Agree as long as Nelson doesn’t go to full back...would rather see bennet switch to rb and Cunningham /Bagan start..

Wilson scored 15 goal I think for derby and was played as a 10 a fair bit.



Its almost become a trend in top clubs inverted full backs to counter inverted forwards. Bennett or Cunningham needs to play right back.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:19 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:Agree.

Won't happen though. He'll bring in Pack for the suspended Ralls and Glatzel for the injured Moore.

Unfortunately I agree.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:09 am

Benkovic must start otherwise why put him in bench as he could be called upon after 10mins then what leave on bench because to long left in game? What's wrong with began playing along with benkovic? Changes are required why not the ones us fans have called for past few weeks. They wont weaken the side that's for sure

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:56 pm

llan bluebird wrote:
Blueman39 wrote:Agree as long as Nelson doesn’t go to full back...would rather see bennet switch to rb and Cunningham /Bagan start..

Wilson scored 15 goal I think for derby and was played as a 10 a fair bit.



Its almost become a trend in top clubs inverted full backs to counter inverted forwards. Bennett or Cunningham needs to play right back.


Which clubs?

Liverpool Robertson left Alex Arnold right.
Spurs Reguillon left Aurier right
Manure Shaw left bissaka right
Southampton Bertrand left peters right
Man City cancelo left walker right
Chelsea chilwell left james right

Inverted full backs would have little positives and actually offer a contrast.
One player who can go outside and one who can go insider.

Bennett right back is no worse an option than Nelson though I don’t think.
Or why not Cunningham right back?

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:14 pm

The problem is Harris is essentially a very cautious manager He is not going to play players out of position or take any risks. His motto is if it ain't broke don't fix it and even if it is broke be wary about fixing it. I suspect he is going to play Benkovi so little Leiceter will recall him in January probably just as actually need him. We are certainly not getting the best out of Wilson at the moment he has been so ordinary in the last couple of games Whyte could have done better. We should definately try him up front in place of Harris he scored loads for Derby in that position. I can't really see Mark Harris scoring that many.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:21 pm

4. If we lose there will be loads on here slating him saying he should have done something they wouldn’t write before the match.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:31 pm

Right back is not the issue at the moment , the left hand side of our defence is what's casing the issue. Bacuna has done a decent job filling in so I wouldnt risk moving Nelson to right back.

We are conceding most of our goals because of the Bennett / Nelson partnership. Drop them both.

I think given the injuries then a move to a back 3 with wing backs would be the better idea.

Bring in Benkovic and Bamba to sit in with Morrison.

Bring Bacuna into the middle with Vaulks

Play Hoilett and Ojo Wide

Put Wilson as the playmaker in the centre

Partner Glatzel with Murphy up front

3412 formation allows us to get out best defenders and attacking players on the pitch. It so makes it easy to adjust formations if required without using a sub.

Smithies

Morrison
Benkovic
Bamba

Ojo
Bacuna
Vaulks
Hoilett

Wilson
Glatzel
Murphy

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:49 pm

thomasblue wrote:Right back is not the issue at the moment , the left hand side of our defence is what's casing the issue. Bacuna has done a decent job filling in so I wouldnt risk moving Nelson to right back.

We are conceding most of our goals because of the Bennett / Nelson partnership. Drop them both.

I think given the injuries then a move to a back 3 with wing backs would be the better idea.

Bring in Benkovic and Bamba to sit in with Morrison.

Bring Bacuna into the middle with Vaulks

Play Hoilett and Ojo Wide

Put Wilson as the playmaker in the centre

Partner Glatzel with Murphy up front

3412 formation allows us to get out best defenders and attacking players on the pitch. It so makes it easy to adjust formations if required without using a sub.

Smithies

Morrison
Benkovic
Bamba

Ojo
Bacuna
Vaulks
Hoilett

Wilson
Glatzel
Murphy


Not sure how much pace Benko has but that’s a lack of pace at the back.

Putting a lot on Ojo and Hoilett defensively when they aren’t really defensively sound.

We can still get outnumbered in midfield.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:04 pm

maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:Right back is not the issue at the moment , the left hand side of our defence is what's casing the issue. Bacuna has done a decent job filling in so I wouldnt risk moving Nelson to right back.

We are conceding most of our goals because of the Bennett / Nelson partnership. Drop them both.

I think given the injuries then a move to a back 3 with wing backs would be the better idea.

Bring in Benkovic and Bamba to sit in with Morrison.

Bring Bacuna into the middle with Vaulks

Play Hoilett and Ojo Wide

Put Wilson as the playmaker in the centre

Partner Glatzel with Murphy up front

3412 formation allows us to get out best defenders and attacking players on the pitch. It so makes it easy to adjust formations if required without using a sub.

Smithies

Morrison
Benkovic
Bamba

Ojo
Bacuna
Vaulks
Hoilett

Wilson
Glatzel
Murphy


Not sure how much pace Benko has but that’s a lack of pace at the back.

Putting a lot on Ojo and Hoilett defensively when they aren’t really defensively sound.

We can still get outnumbered in midfield.

Good call, Neil; your football knowledge is right up there, fella! :clap: :ayatollah:

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:13 pm

When the chips are down you need people in the trenches and still somebody wants to play Murphy you couldn’t make it up.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:15 pm

maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:Right back is not the issue at the moment , the left hand side of our defence is what's casing the issue. Bacuna has done a decent job filling in so I wouldnt risk moving Nelson to right back.

We are conceding most of our goals because of the Bennett / Nelson partnership. Drop them both.

I think given the injuries then a move to a back 3 with wing backs would be the better idea.

Bring in Benkovic and Bamba to sit in with Morrison.

Bring Bacuna into the middle with Vaulks

Play Hoilett and Ojo Wide

Put Wilson as the playmaker in the centre

Partner Glatzel with Murphy up front

3412 formation allows us to get out best defenders and attacking players on the pitch. It so makes it easy to adjust formations if required without using a sub.

Smithies

Morrison
Benkovic
Bamba

Ojo
Bacuna
Vaulks
Hoilett

Wilson
Glatzel
Murphy


Not sure how much pace Benko has but that’s a lack of pace at the back.

Putting a lot on Ojo and Hoilett defensively when they aren’t really defensively sound.

We can still get outnumbered in midfield.



No the problem is midfield where Bacuna is needed,I’d play the under 23s right back whoever he is.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:36 pm

theclaw wrote:
maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:Right back is not the issue at the moment , the left hand side of our defence is what's casing the issue. Bacuna has done a decent job filling in so I wouldnt risk moving Nelson to right back.

We are conceding most of our goals because of the Bennett / Nelson partnership. Drop them both.

I think given the injuries then a move to a back 3 with wing backs would be the better idea.

Bring in Benkovic and Bamba to sit in with Morrison.

Bring Bacuna into the middle with Vaulks

Play Hoilett and Ojo Wide

Put Wilson as the playmaker in the centre

Partner Glatzel with Murphy up front

3412 formation allows us to get out best defenders and attacking players on the pitch. It so makes it easy to adjust formations if required without using a sub.

Smithies

Morrison
Benkovic
Bamba

Ojo
Bacuna
Vaulks
Hoilett

Wilson
Glatzel
Murphy


Not sure how much pace Benko has but that’s a lack of pace at the back.

Putting a lot on Ojo and Hoilett defensively when they aren’t really defensively sound.

We can still get outnumbered in midfield.



No the problem is midfield where Bacuna is needed,I’d play the under 23s right back whoever he is.


Ralls and Bacuna or vaulks and Bacuna wouldn’t have made a difference yesterday I don’t think.

We have consistently had this issue when playing teams who play three in centre midfield.

Speaking of right backs. Wouldn’t it be awesome if we had a right back like Roberts? What a player.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:38 pm

I played football for years not very successfully I must add. But I used to play both right and left back so don’t for one minute believe a professional footballer couldn’t play on either side. I would either stay with the four at the back options being Bennett Cunningham or Bagan playing at right back although in Bagans case if he does start then it would be better to help him settle keep him at left back. Or play a three of Morrison Nelson and Benkovic with two wing backs.

Option 1
Smithies

Cunningham Benkovic Nelson or Morrison Bennett or Bagan

Ojo Bacuna Vaulks or Pack Hoilett

Wilson

Glatzel

Option 2
Smithies

Morrison Nelson Benkovic

Pack

Ojo Bacuna Vaulks Hoilett

Wilson

Glatzel

Hopefully Tutu will be back soon but come January yes we need another right back but still for me middle of the park we still lack quality and a leader as been the case for I don’t know how many seasons and we still desperately need pace out wide to give Moore the service he needs we have to get wingers who can beat fullbacks on the outside.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:39 pm

maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:Right back is not the issue at the moment , the left hand side of our defence is what's casing the issue. Bacuna has done a decent job filling in so I wouldnt risk moving Nelson to right back.

We are conceding most of our goals because of the Bennett / Nelson partnership. Drop them both.

I think given the injuries then a move to a back 3 with wing backs would be the better idea.

Bring in Benkovic and Bamba to sit in with Morrison.

Bring Bacuna into the middle with Vaulks

Play Hoilett and Ojo Wide

Put Wilson as the playmaker in the centre

Partner Glatzel with Murphy up front

3412 formation allows us to get out best defenders and attacking players on the pitch. It so makes it easy to adjust formations if required without using a sub.

Smithies

Morrison
Benkovic
Bamba

Ojo
Bacuna
Vaulks
Hoilett

Wilson
Glatzel
Murphy


Not sure how much pace Benko has but that’s a lack of pace at the back.

Putting a lot on Ojo and Hoilett defensively when they aren’t really defensively sound.

We can still get outnumbered in midfield.


If played right then no need to get outnumbered. What would you do stick 6 midfielders in and no strikers. If players work hard and to the job asked of them properly then we wouldn't get outnumbered.

If the defensive midfielders do the job properly then there would be little need for Hoett and Ojo to have a lot of defensive duties and cod concentrate on offensive duties.
If we actually played with the ball instead of long balls and throws all the time we would have players in position to control the game rather than chase the ball all the time.

How can you say its a lack of pace when you admit yourself you do not know the player ?

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:41 pm

thomasblue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:Right back is not the issue at the moment , the left hand side of our defence is what's casing the issue. Bacuna has done a decent job filling in so I wouldnt risk moving Nelson to right back.

We are conceding most of our goals because of the Bennett / Nelson partnership. Drop them both.

I think given the injuries then a move to a back 3 with wing backs would be the better idea.

Bring in Benkovic and Bamba to sit in with Morrison.

Bring Bacuna into the middle with Vaulks

Play Hoilett and Ojo Wide

Put Wilson as the playmaker in the centre

Partner Glatzel with Murphy up front

3412 formation allows us to get out best defenders and attacking players on the pitch. It so makes it easy to adjust formations if required without using a sub.

Smithies

Morrison
Benkovic
Bamba

Ojo
Bacuna
Vaulks
Hoilett

Wilson
Glatzel
Murphy


Not sure how much pace Benko has but that’s a lack of pace at the back.

Putting a lot on Ojo and Hoilett defensively when they aren’t really defensively sound.

We can still get outnumbered in midfield.


If played right then no need to get outnumbered. What would you do stick 6 midfielders in and no strikers. If players work hard and to the job asked of them properly then we wouldn't get outnumbered.

If the defensive midfielders do the job properly then there would be little need for Hoett and Ojo to have a lot of defensive duties and cod concentrate on offensive duties.
If we actually played with the ball instead of long balls and throws all the time we would have players in position to control the game rather than chase the ball all the time.

How can you say its a lack of pace when you admit yourself you do not know the player ?


Because Morrison and Bamba are not pacy.

Re: Wednesday Night 3 Things A Given?

Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:43 pm

Llantwit Blue wrote:When the chips are down you need people in the trenches and still somebody wants to play Murphy you couldn’t make it up.


He would flourish as a striker

His movement and goal record suggest he has everything needed to play up front. Even though he has struggled with little consistent game time he is still the best "winger" at the club.

What do you think we should do with a £11million pound player ?

Just let him rot in the stands until his contract is up ?