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New poll Neil Harris

Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:25 pm

After the last four games should Harris still be sacked ?

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:29 am

I wanted him gone after the conventry game but he has saved his skin big time with the last 4 results. Particularly as 3 of them were good performances as well. Stoke was a battle but good to see us grind out a win when playing poorly. My only criticism of Harris this season is why did he wait so long to switch tactics!? We could all see where we ere failing after a few games but he stuck with the slow build up play for 12 or so games when it should have been dropped much earlier in the season. Could have been pushing for top 2 now instead of chasing top 6.

He's found a good balance for the team now though so onwards and upwards.

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:14 am

Escott1927 wrote:I wanted him gone after the conventry game but he has saved his skin big time with the last 4 results. Particularly as 3 of them were good performances as well. Stoke was a battle but good to see us grind out a win when playing poorly. My only criticism of Harris this season is why did he wait so long to switch tactics!? We could all see where we ere failing after a few games but he stuck with the slow build up play for 12 or so games when it should have been dropped much earlier in the season. Could have been pushing for top 2 now instead of chasing top 6.

He's found a good balance for the team now though so onwards and upwards.


:thumbup: completely agree with all of that :bluebird:

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:40 am

Escott1927 wrote:I wanted him gone after the conventry game but he has saved his skin big time with the last 4 results. Particularly as 3 of them were good performances as well. Stoke was a battle but good to see us grind out a win when playing poorly. My only criticism of Harris this season is why did he wait so long to switch tactics!? We could all see where we ere failing after a few games but he stuck with the slow build up play for 12 or so games when it should have been dropped much earlier in the season. Could have been pushing for top 2 now instead of chasing top 6.

He's found a good balance for the team now though so onwards and upwards.


Problem is he was trying to evolve our football which so many of the fans were crying out for.

But unfortunately playing possession football and passing it round the back with the personel we have in defence is just not an option. Fair enough our possession stats increased but we invited so much pressure onto ourselves and our defence is not good enough to cope with that and the mistakes duly followed.

In my opinion we have now gone back to the warnock way of playing (34% possession against watford), which is effective for the players we have and getting results. As long as we are winning nobody cares about this, but as soon as we are not the criticism will no doubt come back about the style of play again...

But long may our run of form continue and harris proves the haters wrong :bluescarf:

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:32 am

TaffEmbankment wrote:
Escott1927 wrote:I wanted him gone after the conventry game but he has saved his skin big time with the last 4 results. Particularly as 3 of them were good performances as well. Stoke was a battle but good to see us grind out a win when playing poorly. My only criticism of Harris this season is why did he wait so long to switch tactics!? We could all see where we ere failing after a few games but he stuck with the slow build up play for 12 or so games when it should have been dropped much earlier in the season. Could have been pushing for top 2 now instead of chasing top 6.

He's found a good balance for the team now though so onwards and upwards.


Problem is he was trying to evolve our football which so many of the fans were crying out for.

But unfortunately playing possession football and passing it round the back with the personel we have in defence is just not an option. Fair enough our possession stats increased but we invited so much pressure onto ourselves and our defence is not good enough to cope with that and the mistakes duly followed.

In my opinion we have now gone back to the warnock way of playing (34% possession against watford), which is effective for the players we have and getting results. As long as we are winning nobody cares about this, but as soon as we are not the criticism will no doubt come back about the style of play again...

But long may our run of form continue and harris proves the haters wrong :bluescarf:

That's a very good point you make Taff, about the evolution of style of play that a lot of posters on here seemed to clamour for. Personally I was, and still am, happy with the Warnock style as I feel it is more exciting to watch and individual errors are not punished as harshly as we have seen this season.

Quite frankly our defenders/holding midfielders are just not capable of playing tiki-taka football, but they are very capable of stopping teams scoring when that is their number one goal. :bluebird:

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:55 am

Should we do this every game?

And let people vote twice or more when they change their mind?

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:58 am

TaffEmbankment wrote:
Escott1927 wrote:I wanted him gone after the conventry game but he has saved his skin big time with the last 4 results. Particularly as 3 of them were good performances as well. Stoke was a battle but good to see us grind out a win when playing poorly. My only criticism of Harris this season is why did he wait so long to switch tactics!? We could all see where we ere failing after a few games but he stuck with the slow build up play for 12 or so games when it should have been dropped much earlier in the season. Could have been pushing for top 2 now instead of chasing top 6.

He's found a good balance for the team now though so onwards and upwards.


Problem is he was trying to evolve our football which so many of the fans were crying out for.

But unfortunately playing possession football and passing it round the back with the personel we have in defence is just not an option. Fair enough our possession stats increased but we invited so much pressure onto ourselves and our defence is not good enough to cope with that and the mistakes duly followed.

In my opinion we have now gone back to the warnock way of playing (34% possession against watford), which is effective for the players we have and getting results. As long as we are winning nobody cares about this, but as soon as we are not the criticism will no doubt come back about the style of play again...

But long may our run of form continue and harris proves the haters wrong :bluescarf:


We could all see what he was trying to do, and that should still be the direction the club should be aiming for. But the transition needs to be balanced. We still need to be competitive and win games. Mozza and Nelson have their strengths at cb. Playing with the ball at their feet isn't one of them. We just havnt got the players to play that way and two new cb's and cm's would be required to do it effectively.

We've definitely gone more direct which suits this squad better. But I wouldn't say it was quite warnock ball, not last seasons warnock ball anyway. Smithies plays it short for a start. He would have been subbed if he did that under warnock :lol:

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:25 pm

Anyone would be an idiot to sack a manager after four consecutive wins, owners and fans should back a manager after that, end of January we will know how far we have come under Harris :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :bluebird:

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:39 pm

The long and short of it is that the game is results driven. Has he delivered over the last 3 weeks - Yes.

Even the Bristol City game showed glimpses of change.

I’ve been very critical of him recently but you can see that he has been instructing the players to pass and move more! I’d even be accepting of a few draws so long as we are gaining possession, passing the ball and showing progression on the field.

The fans and the board got on his case. He reacted. So should he stay - Yes!

It’s all about how he copes from now until Jan. For me personally Christmas is the best time of the year for footy, non stop, plenty of it on the tele and loads of surprise results. Of course for a manager it’s a f*cking logistical nightmare having so many games in a short amount of time. Only the toughest survive the Christmas period. Those who fare well this time of year tend to be the ones in the playoffs around March/April time.

Bring it on!

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:10 pm

As has been said its a results game and at the end of the day Harris will survive by his results.

The problem Harris had before these 4 consecutive wins, a terrible run of results, awful football and yet the first team has an abundance of quality and openly admitted by Neil Harris himself.

Over all in the last 2 weeks football has improved, but above all that, 4 consecutive wins :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Malky & Warnock got the results and promotions, so the type of football was irrelevant to the majority, they only moan about that if the winning dries up.

I believe Neil Harris should be backed fully in January and have the rest of the season to get on with it at least now :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:26 pm

I voted "no" as i did four weeks ago and i really don't rate him. Its pointless sacking a manager mid season unless something really is amiss.

My fears have been eased. I felt Harris was so trying to prove himself a young, trendy English manager and the bandwagon of riches that dishes up for you and your family that he sacrifice common sense in favour of being "modern".

The DNA for out club since DJ left has been lets say practical and ruthlessly effective.

I love the concept of "moneyball". i first read up on it when Malky mentioned it many years ago and its so basic I am surprised so many follow trends.
The Jacks were years ahead of the competition with their recruitment. They took highly skilled but deemed too small to handle the EFL and created a style of possession based skill that took the opposition out of the game by not letting them have the ball. It bores the nuts off me, but lots love it and they were everyone's darlings for a few season. But it took seasons.

Malky and Warnock had slightly different version of their game plan. Malky bored you stupid and scored with a set play, Warnock needed to pace of the wingers to counter attack. All are successful when you have the right players.

This higher tempo physical game suits our players, play that way then. not trying to be en vogue. Fcuk the pundits.

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:36 pm

13% yes ?

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:06 pm

I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.

I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:26 pm

Yeah let’s sack him.

Maybe new manager bounce will get us 4 wins on the trot. Oh hang on.

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:36 pm

Crayfish wrote:I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.

I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.




everyone wanted him gone after the Coventry game mate....well almost everyone as there were a few still thinking its still early doors and 8 points is just 3 wins.... which as youve pointed out ..it isnt...

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:30 pm

I was deffo a Harris out supporter, now I've got to give him credit. It has got to continue as we are still playing catch up, but credit where credit is due.

Do this poll again Mid Jan! Haha...

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:59 pm

I to am happy give him more time because he has accepted what the fans and board wanted which is to attack and be less defence minded
it was horrible to watch us against coventry so along as we don't revert back to defence mode frightened of loosing a game i am happy for him to remain and the proof is there we have won 4
by been on the front foot and long may it continue.

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:15 pm

skidemin wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.

I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.




everyone wanted him gone after the Coventry game mate....well almost everyone as there were a few still thinking its still early doors and 8 points is just 3 wins.... which as youve pointed out ..it isnt...


I didn’t want him gone. I still had some loyalty after getting to the play offs. I was more annoyed with the players than Harris.

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:57 pm

maccydee wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.

I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.




everyone wanted him gone after the Coventry game mate....well almost everyone as there were a few still thinking its still early doors and 8 points is just 3 wins.... which as youve pointed out ..it isnt...


I didn’t want him gone. I still had some loyalty after getting to the play offs. I was more annoyed with the players than Harris.



the players didnt just decide to go out and play that system mate... and came back in enough games after the shackles came off to show there was no lack of desire....

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:58 pm

In a season there are ups and downs and its a balancing act in which Harris seems to be on the up trend. So full support against the jacks.

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:20 pm

skidemin wrote:
maccydee wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.

I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.




everyone wanted him gone after the Coventry game mate....well almost everyone as there were a few still thinking its still early doors and 8 points is just 3 wins.... which as youve pointed out ..it isnt...


I didn’t want him gone. I still had some loyalty after getting to the play offs. I was more annoyed with the players than Harris.



the players didnt just decide to go out and play that system mate... and came back in enough games after the shackles came off to show there was no lack of desire....


Understand that. He has put Harris in instead of Glatzel/Wilson/Ojo/Murphy. Not sure the system changed much the players on the pitch started playing differently. They definitely upped their game.

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:47 pm

maccydee wrote:
skidemin wrote:
maccydee wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.

I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.




everyone wanted him gone after the Coventry game mate....well almost everyone as there were a few still thinking its still early doors and 8 points is just 3 wins.... which as youve pointed out ..it isnt...


I didn’t want him gone. I still had some loyalty after getting to the play offs. I was more annoyed with the players than Harris.



the players didnt just decide to go out and play that system mate... and came back in enough games after the shackles came off to show there was no lack of desire....


Understand that. He has put Harris in instead of Glatzel/Wilson/Ojo/Murphy. Not sure the system changed much the players on the pitch started playing differently. They definitely upped their game.



really...ive seen a huge change... we get the ball try to score as opposed to trying to make 10 ponderous passes in our own half which seemed inevitably to a mistake and being 1 nil down.... my loyalty is with the players mate must have been so frustrating week after week knowing full well you could be blowing rubbish teams off but mr cautious wanting you to be a pennyland version of man citeh instead....

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:58 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
Escott1927 wrote:I wanted him gone after the conventry game but he has saved his skin big time with the last 4 results. Particularly as 3 of them were good performances as well. Stoke was a battle but good to see us grind out a win when playing poorly. My only criticism of Harris this season is why did he wait so long to switch tactics!? We could all see where we ere failing after a few games but he stuck with the slow build up play for 12 or so games when it should have been dropped much earlier in the season. Could have been pushing for top 2 now instead of chasing top 6.

He's found a good balance for the team now though so onwards and upwards.


:thumbup: completely agree with all of that :bluebird:



Didnt realise we played nuns?? Pmsl.

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:27 pm

Sorry, Nukes; way too early for this...the last 'poll' was based on a long run of poor performances/defeats

A defeat or two (particularly with the scum game on Saturday) will unbalance many again without shadow of doubt

Not being negative but let's see how it goes over a period :thumbright: :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:47 pm

Voted stay
EVERYBODY GET BEHIND HIM AND THE SQUAD SIMPLE :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:14 pm

skidemin wrote:
maccydee wrote:
skidemin wrote:
maccydee wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.

I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.




everyone wanted him gone after the Coventry game mate....well almost everyone as there were a few still thinking its still early doors and 8 points is just 3 wins.... which as youve pointed out ..it isnt...


I didn’t want him gone. I still had some loyalty after getting to the play offs. I was more annoyed with the players than Harris.



the players didnt just decide to go out and play that system mate... and came back in enough games after the shackles came off to show there was no lack of desire....


Understand that. He has put Harris in instead of Glatzel/Wilson/Ojo/Murphy. Not sure the system changed much the players on the pitch started playing differently. They definitely upped their game.



really...ive seen a huge change... we get the ball try to score as opposed to trying to make 10 ponderous passes in our own half which seemed inevitably to a mistake and being 1 nil down.... my loyalty is with the players mate must have been so frustrating week after week knowing full well you could be blowing rubbish teams off but mr cautious wanting you to be a pennyland version of man citeh instead....


How we played against Barnsley which was before Coventry.

The intent was there the players didn’t perform.

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:29 pm

maccydee wrote:
skidemin wrote:
maccydee wrote:
skidemin wrote:
maccydee wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.

I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.




everyone wanted him gone after the Coventry game mate....well almost everyone as there were a few still thinking its still early doors and 8 points is just 3 wins.... which as youve pointed out ..it isnt...


I didn’t want him gone. I still had some loyalty after getting to the play offs. I was more annoyed with the players than Harris.



the players didnt just decide to go out and play that system mate... and came back in enough games after the shackles came off to show there was no lack of desire....


Understand that. He has put Harris in instead of Glatzel/Wilson/Ojo/Murphy. Not sure the system changed much the players on the pitch started playing differently. They definitely upped their game.



really...ive seen a huge change... we get the ball try to score as opposed to trying to make 10 ponderous passes in our own half which seemed inevitably to a mistake and being 1 nil down.... my loyalty is with the players mate must have been so frustrating week after week knowing full well you could be blowing rubbish teams off but mr cautious wanting you to be a pennyland version of man citeh instead....


How we played against Barnsley which was before Coventry.

The intent was there the players didn’t perform.



the intent was there to fight back for draws... whats changed is the formation the game plan and a manager that was at last chance saloon actually trusting them to be what most of us knew they were....

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:04 pm

Wow what a turnaround. End of last season Harris was the best thing since sliced bread. A couple of weeks ago in a massive poll over 90% wanted Harris sacked. Now it’s well over 80% want him to stay.
But if we lose against the Jacks Saturday I wonder what the poll will say then ? Football fans ehh

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:45 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:Wow what a turnaround. End of last season Harris was the best thing since sliced bread. A couple of weeks ago in a massive poll over 90% wanted Harris sacked. Now it’s well over 80% want him to stay.
But if we lose against the Jacks Saturday I wonder what the poll will say then ? Football fans ehh


The poll would change during the game.

Facebook during the Stoke game was ridiculous.

Re: New poll Neil Harris

Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:20 am

maccydee wrote:
Nuclearblue wrote:Wow what a turnaround. End of last season Harris was the best thing since sliced bread. A couple of weeks ago in a massive poll over 90% wanted Harris sacked. Now it’s well over 80% want him to stay.
But if we lose against the Jacks Saturday I wonder what the poll will say then ? Football fans ehh


The poll would change during the game.

Facebook during the Stoke game was ridiculous.

You is both spot on with your comments...

Some of ours are as fickle as...

Just look at that DEANO clown last weekend; couldn't wait to write the team off at half-time and then disappeared as fast as a BarryWelsh88 and certain others (all of whom should know better of late) weren't too far behind :roll: