Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:25 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:29 am
Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:14 am
Escott1927 wrote:I wanted him gone after the conventry game but he has saved his skin big time with the last 4 results. Particularly as 3 of them were good performances as well. Stoke was a battle but good to see us grind out a win when playing poorly. My only criticism of Harris this season is why did he wait so long to switch tactics!? We could all see where we ere failing after a few games but he stuck with the slow build up play for 12 or so games when it should have been dropped much earlier in the season. Could have been pushing for top 2 now instead of chasing top 6.
He's found a good balance for the team now though so onwards and upwards.
Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:40 am
Escott1927 wrote:I wanted him gone after the conventry game but he has saved his skin big time with the last 4 results. Particularly as 3 of them were good performances as well. Stoke was a battle but good to see us grind out a win when playing poorly. My only criticism of Harris this season is why did he wait so long to switch tactics!? We could all see where we ere failing after a few games but he stuck with the slow build up play for 12 or so games when it should have been dropped much earlier in the season. Could have been pushing for top 2 now instead of chasing top 6.
He's found a good balance for the team now though so onwards and upwards.
Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:32 am
TaffEmbankment wrote:Escott1927 wrote:I wanted him gone after the conventry game but he has saved his skin big time with the last 4 results. Particularly as 3 of them were good performances as well. Stoke was a battle but good to see us grind out a win when playing poorly. My only criticism of Harris this season is why did he wait so long to switch tactics!? We could all see where we ere failing after a few games but he stuck with the slow build up play for 12 or so games when it should have been dropped much earlier in the season. Could have been pushing for top 2 now instead of chasing top 6.
He's found a good balance for the team now though so onwards and upwards.
Problem is he was trying to evolve our football which so many of the fans were crying out for.
But unfortunately playing possession football and passing it round the back with the personel we have in defence is just not an option. Fair enough our possession stats increased but we invited so much pressure onto ourselves and our defence is not good enough to cope with that and the mistakes duly followed.
In my opinion we have now gone back to the warnock way of playing (34% possession against watford), which is effective for the players we have and getting results. As long as we are winning nobody cares about this, but as soon as we are not the criticism will no doubt come back about the style of play again...
But long may our run of form continue and harris proves the haters wrong
Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:55 am
Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:58 am
TaffEmbankment wrote:Escott1927 wrote:I wanted him gone after the conventry game but he has saved his skin big time with the last 4 results. Particularly as 3 of them were good performances as well. Stoke was a battle but good to see us grind out a win when playing poorly. My only criticism of Harris this season is why did he wait so long to switch tactics!? We could all see where we ere failing after a few games but he stuck with the slow build up play for 12 or so games when it should have been dropped much earlier in the season. Could have been pushing for top 2 now instead of chasing top 6.
He's found a good balance for the team now though so onwards and upwards.
Problem is he was trying to evolve our football which so many of the fans were crying out for.
But unfortunately playing possession football and passing it round the back with the personel we have in defence is just not an option. Fair enough our possession stats increased but we invited so much pressure onto ourselves and our defence is not good enough to cope with that and the mistakes duly followed.
In my opinion we have now gone back to the warnock way of playing (34% possession against watford), which is effective for the players we have and getting results. As long as we are winning nobody cares about this, but as soon as we are not the criticism will no doubt come back about the style of play again...
But long may our run of form continue and harris proves the haters wrong
Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:25 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:39 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:10 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:26 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:36 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:06 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:26 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:36 pm
Crayfish wrote:I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.
I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.
Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:30 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:59 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:15 pm
skidemin wrote:Crayfish wrote:I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.
I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.
everyone wanted him gone after the Coventry game mate....well almost everyone as there were a few still thinking its still early doors and 8 points is just 3 wins.... which as youve pointed out ..it isnt...
Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:57 pm
maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:Crayfish wrote:I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.
I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.
everyone wanted him gone after the Coventry game mate....well almost everyone as there were a few still thinking its still early doors and 8 points is just 3 wins.... which as youve pointed out ..it isnt...
I didn’t want him gone. I still had some loyalty after getting to the play offs. I was more annoyed with the players than Harris.
Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:58 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:20 pm
skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:Crayfish wrote:I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.
I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.
everyone wanted him gone after the Coventry game mate....well almost everyone as there were a few still thinking its still early doors and 8 points is just 3 wins.... which as youve pointed out ..it isnt...
I didn’t want him gone. I still had some loyalty after getting to the play offs. I was more annoyed with the players than Harris.
the players didnt just decide to go out and play that system mate... and came back in enough games after the shackles came off to show there was no lack of desire....
Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:47 pm
maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:Crayfish wrote:I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.
I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.
everyone wanted him gone after the Coventry game mate....well almost everyone as there were a few still thinking its still early doors and 8 points is just 3 wins.... which as youve pointed out ..it isnt...
I didn’t want him gone. I still had some loyalty after getting to the play offs. I was more annoyed with the players than Harris.
the players didnt just decide to go out and play that system mate... and came back in enough games after the shackles came off to show there was no lack of desire....
Understand that. He has put Harris in instead of Glatzel/Wilson/Ojo/Murphy. Not sure the system changed much the players on the pitch started playing differently. They definitely upped their game.
Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:58 pm
piledriver64 wrote:Escott1927 wrote:I wanted him gone after the conventry game but he has saved his skin big time with the last 4 results. Particularly as 3 of them were good performances as well. Stoke was a battle but good to see us grind out a win when playing poorly. My only criticism of Harris this season is why did he wait so long to switch tactics!? We could all see where we ere failing after a few games but he stuck with the slow build up play for 12 or so games when it should have been dropped much earlier in the season. Could have been pushing for top 2 now instead of chasing top 6.
He's found a good balance for the team now though so onwards and upwards.
completely agree with all of that
Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:27 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:47 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:14 pm
skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:Crayfish wrote:I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.
I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.
everyone wanted him gone after the Coventry game mate....well almost everyone as there were a few still thinking its still early doors and 8 points is just 3 wins.... which as youve pointed out ..it isnt...
I didn’t want him gone. I still had some loyalty after getting to the play offs. I was more annoyed with the players than Harris.
the players didnt just decide to go out and play that system mate... and came back in enough games after the shackles came off to show there was no lack of desire....
Understand that. He has put Harris in instead of Glatzel/Wilson/Ojo/Murphy. Not sure the system changed much the players on the pitch started playing differently. They definitely upped their game.
really...ive seen a huge change... we get the ball try to score as opposed to trying to make 10 ponderous passes in our own half which seemed inevitably to a mistake and being 1 nil down.... my loyalty is with the players mate must have been so frustrating week after week knowing full well you could be blowing rubbish teams off but mr cautious wanting you to be a pennyland version of man citeh instead....
Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:29 pm
maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:skidemin wrote:Crayfish wrote:I admit that I wanted him gone after Coventry as the results had been bad with a squad that should have been producing much better. They were so bad that even if we beat Swansea and make it five wins on the trot we will still not be in the playoffs in fact we could win seven on the trot and still not make the playoffs. It looked like he had lost the dressing room but obviously he had not. The odd thing is he has achieved the four wins with basically the same team with the addition of Mark Harris that was so bad before.
I don't think Mark Harris has been the difference he has done ok but not exceptionally well. For me the difference is we are playing a good old fashioned four four two and it's working,we are scoring more goals and it's not at the expense of letting more in. I know it's regarded as old fashioned by some but it works and it's working for us. The combination of Harris starting and working defences hard and bringing on Glatzel against a tiring defence works well. It may just be that Harris has found the winning formula. Absolutely every reason to continue with him.
everyone wanted him gone after the Coventry game mate....well almost everyone as there were a few still thinking its still early doors and 8 points is just 3 wins.... which as youve pointed out ..it isnt...
I didn’t want him gone. I still had some loyalty after getting to the play offs. I was more annoyed with the players than Harris.
the players didnt just decide to go out and play that system mate... and came back in enough games after the shackles came off to show there was no lack of desire....
Understand that. He has put Harris in instead of Glatzel/Wilson/Ojo/Murphy. Not sure the system changed much the players on the pitch started playing differently. They definitely upped their game.
really...ive seen a huge change... we get the ball try to score as opposed to trying to make 10 ponderous passes in our own half which seemed inevitably to a mistake and being 1 nil down.... my loyalty is with the players mate must have been so frustrating week after week knowing full well you could be blowing rubbish teams off but mr cautious wanting you to be a pennyland version of man citeh instead....
How we played against Barnsley which was before Coventry.
The intent was there the players didn’t perform.
Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:04 pm
Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:45 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Wow what a turnaround. End of last season Harris was the best thing since sliced bread. A couple of weeks ago in a massive poll over 90% wanted Harris sacked. Now it’s well over 80% want him to stay.
But if we lose against the Jacks Saturday I wonder what the poll will say then ? Football fans ehh
Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:20 am
maccydee wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:Wow what a turnaround. End of last season Harris was the best thing since sliced bread. A couple of weeks ago in a massive poll over 90% wanted Harris sacked. Now it’s well over 80% want him to stay.
But if we lose against the Jacks Saturday I wonder what the poll will say then ? Football fans ehh
The poll would change during the game.
Facebook during the Stoke game was ridiculous.