Fans in grounds, ruining it for ourselves

Whatever your thoughts on the pandemic, in England at least they have finally allowed a small amount of fans back in and some of the pictures iv seen just show that if it carries on that freedom will soon get taken away.

Some of the Clubs need to get their act together, very little social distancing between Liverpool fans. I just saw pictures on the news and and could see pockets of them all grouped together towards the back.

The ground holds 50,000, jist spread them out instead of grouping them in one stand?

Just going to end up ruining it for ourselves if there's a spike and leave ourselves as fans open to be blamed and have this little bit of light taken away.

Whatever your thoughts on the pandemic, in England at least they have finally allowed a small amount of fans back in and some of the pictures iv seen just show that if it carries on that freedom will soon get taken away.

Some of the Clubs need to get their act together, very little social distancing between Liverpool fans. I just saw pictures on the news and and could see pockets of them all grouped together towards the back.

The ground holds 50,000, jist spread them out instead of grouping them in one stand?

Just going to end up ruining it for ourselves if there's a spike and leave ourselves as fans open to be blamed and have this little bit of light taken away.

its clubs as much as fans.... i assumed 2k meant 500 behind both goals and 500 on each side... most seem to have one end open with the whole 2k in that end.....

Whatever your thoughts on the pandemic, in England at least they have finally allowed a small amount of fans back in and some of the pictures iv seen just show that if it carries on that freedom will soon get taken away.

Some of the Clubs need to get their act together, very little social distancing between Liverpool fans. I just saw pictures on the news and and could see pockets of them all grouped together towards the back.

The ground holds 50,000, jist spread them out instead of grouping them in one stand?

Just going to end up ruining it for ourselves if there's a spike and leave ourselves as fans open to be blamed and have this little bit of light taken away.

its clubs as much as fans.... i assumed 2k meant 500 behind both goals and 500 on each side... most seem to have one end open with the whole 2k in that end.....

I agree mate hence saying clubs need to get their act together.

They are just giving the powers that be an excuse to put a stop to the fans from being allowed back which is madness given how much everyone has fought to try and get us back in.

I thought the same.

I'm guessing they did it to cut costs on stewarding etc.

I thought the same.

I'm guessing they did it to cut costs on stewarding etc.

strange. .but ive seen something very similar when UEFA brought in a safety based rule about standing fans { on the way to all seater }... where a rule was brought in that no more than 20% of attendance could stand.. invariably a club with a 50k capacity would open one standing section and put the whole 10k in there ,leaving other standing areas completely empty.. which of course was defeating the object...

Same social distancing as in shops! I know just finished shopping in Cardiff.... it's not about how they sit its about seeing if it can work more you get in less space fans have? But did see game where it was like Noah's ark fans sat two by two with 2 seat gap between fans as well! Let's not knock fans already.

Same social distancing as in shops! I know just finished shopping in Cardiff.... it's not about how they sit its about seeing if it can work more you get in less space fans have? But did see game where it was like Noah's ark fans sat two by two with 2 seat gap between fans as well! Let's not knock fans already.

Well if it's about seeing how it works I think the answer is it hasn't.

The point is the government have let 2,000 fans in socially distance and if they see fans are not socially distanced then they will soon put a stop to it which will be criminal given the size of the stadiums so the Clubs need to use their loafs and think about it before it's to late. They have plenty of time to do it. 2,000 fans, 500 in each stand, not 2,000 in one stand grouped together.

It's not rocket science then in time we can push for more fans to be allowed in.

Whatever your thoughts on the pandemic, in England at least they have finally allowed a small amount of fans back in and some of the pictures iv seen just show that if it carries on that freedom will soon get taken away.

Some of the Clubs need to get their act together, very little social distancing between Liverpool fans. I just saw pictures on the news and and could see pockets of them all grouped together towards the back.

The ground holds 50,000, jist spread them out instead of grouping them in one stand?

Just going to end up ruining it for ourselves if there's a spike and leave ourselves as fans open to be blamed and have this little bit of light taken away.

I saw it too; but instantly realised Liverpool 'fans' are the exception to any and all rules, so it's okay

Same social distancing as in shops! I know just finished shopping in Cardiff.... it's not about how they sit its about seeing if it can work more you get in less space fans have? But did see game where it was like Noah's ark fans sat two by two with 2 seat gap between fans as well! Let's not knock fans already.

i saw those regimented pairs too...assume it was pairs of family members.... but seriously ? one thousand pairs in a stadium that holds even 20k leaves 18k empty seats , thats a pair then 18 empty seats... then another pair .. or even a pair with an empty row both infront and behind and 9 empty seats between you and the next pair... thats not what i was looking at...

Surely 2k fans need X amount of stewards . So if 500 fans are in each stand, then no extra stewards needed ? Just spread the stewards around.

Same social distancing as in shops! I know just finished shopping in Cardiff.... it's not about how they sit its about seeing if it can work more you get in less space fans have? But did see game where it was like Noah's ark fans sat two by two with 2 seat gap between fans as well! Let's not knock fans already.

i saw those regimented pairs too...assume it was pairs of family members.... but seriously ? one thousand pairs in a stadium that holds even 20k leaves 18k empty seats , thats a pair then 18 empty seats... then another pair .. or even a pair with an empty row both infront and behind and 9 empty seats between you and the next pair... thats not what i was looking at...

No it wasnt I saw same as you looked in regulated but not only at liverpool but lots of games across Europe as well..... tbh its pointless trying to do 2x2 all time as that's not the real world even in these times its not happening in any walks of life so why should it be different at football ? It's a case be careful be hygienic and wear a mask when required
Ps daughter went to a show in London that's got to be more risky than outside at football?

Same social distancing as in shops! I know just finished shopping in Cardiff.... it's not about how they sit its about seeing if it can work more you get in less space fans have? But did see game where it was like Noah's ark fans sat two by two with 2 seat gap between fans as well! Let's not knock fans already.

Well if it's about seeing how it works I think the answer is it hasn't.

The point is the government have let 2,000 fans in socially distance and if they see fans are not socially distanced then they will soon put a stop to it which will be criminal given the size of the stadiums so the Clubs need to use their loafs and think about it before it's to late. They have plenty of time to do it. 2,000 fans, 500 in each stand, not 2,000 in one stand grouped together.

It's not rocket science then in time we can push for more fans to be allowed in.

Have you heared any complaints from MPs A.Ms about fans at stadiums or commentators watching games mention what you are complaining about? Football fans get treated differently from Joe public all the time since the 80s and Thatcher... if theatre goers can sit in close proximity under the guise of social distancing as my daughter witnessed yesterday why cant football fans ? 99.9% were wearing masks as per protocol (.1% excempt like me ..... so your saying need spread out more great now but what happens when tier 1 area as match with 4k in stadium open up whole stadium and count the spaces so fans are 2mtr apart? Got up start somewhere no need to whinge about fans being close together when it happens all time in other places as I witnessed in Cardiff today. Give fans a break been long time without going to games

Yes Allen, it was actually discussed on the radio earlier about why the fans were so close together in such a big stadium

I'm not sure what your banging on about to be honest as everyone can see it and I'm not sure why you think I'm having a go at fans, on the contrary I would prefer it if MORE can go but if events like the weekend continue then I can guarantee you it will just give Witty/Valace and Co chance to put a swift stop to it and Football will be the next on the 'blame list' alongside pubs, and people going in each others houses.

So it's pretty simple, if we can have fans in SPREAD THEM OUT.

Yes Allen, it was actually discussed on the radio earlier about why the fans were so close together in such a big stadium

I'm not sure what your banging on about to be honest as everyone can see it and I'm not sure why you think I'm having a go at fans, on the contrary I would prefer it if MORE can go but if events like the weekend continue then I can guarantee you it will just give Witty/Valace and Co chance to put a swift stop to it and Football will be the next on the 'blame list' alongside pubs, and people going in each others houses.

So it's pretty simple, if we can have fans in SPREAD THEM OUT.

Your OP and statement say you having a go at fans ! As for spreading out fans simple maths tell you 2 fans = 4 seats used and that doesn't give you 2mtrs if want to be precise on social distancing ... so 4k fans = 8k seats required! Then there is keeping them apart at halftime full time so to saying SPREAD THEM APART is being simplistic at best! It is a test scenario not exact science? and be extremely hard to blame fans unless there track and trace says they're to blame ... if you saw Brighton game that is the scenario I highlighted several months ago as to how fans would be separated? double the crowd and you can see the problem of having crowds return! So what's alternative mmm Dont bother having crowds until next season even then that may not be possible as social distancing here for another 6months at least according to experts

Yes Allen, it was actually discussed on the radio earlier about why the fans were so close together in such a big stadium

I'm not sure what your banging on about to be honest as everyone can see it and I'm not sure why you think I'm having a go at fans, on the contrary I would prefer it if MORE can go but if events like the weekend continue then I can guarantee you it will just give Witty/Valace and Co chance to put a swift stop to it and Football will be the next on the 'blame list' alongside pubs, and people going in each others houses.

So it's pretty simple, if we can have fans in SPREAD THEM OUT.

Your OP and statement say you having a go at fans ! As for spreading out fans simple maths tell you 2 fans = 4 seats used and that doesn't give you 2mtrs if want to be precise on social distancing ... so 4k fans = 8k seats required! Then there is keeping them apart at halftime full time so to saying SPREAD THEM APART is being simplistic at best! It is a test scenario not exact science? and be extremely hard to blame fans unless there track and trace says they're to blame ... if you saw Brighton game that is the scenario I highlighted several months ago as to how fans would be separated? double the crowd and you can see the problem of having crowds return! So what's alternative mmm Dont bother having crowds until next season even then that may not be possible as social distancing here for another 6months at least according to experts

They haven’t said social distancing here for six months.

What has been said is that the reason for social distancing and other restrictions is to stop people being hospitalised and dying. Once the most vulnerable get vaccinated it should reduce hospital admissions and deaths as 99% of the deaths have been from the vulnerable list first to get vaccinated. Once that happens restrictions can be eased considerably as no longer will people be at risk of death or being hospitalised in the numbers that would cause issues. It all depends on the numbers. If 4,000 a day have it but no one is dying and very few hospitalised then restrictions will quickly cease. Probably springtime.

Yes Allen, it was actually discussed on the radio earlier about why the fans were so close together in such a big stadium

I'm not sure what your banging on about to be honest as everyone can see it and I'm not sure why you think I'm having a go at fans, on the contrary I would prefer it if MORE can go but if events like the weekend continue then I can guarantee you it will just give Witty/Valace and Co chance to put a swift stop to it and Football will be the next on the 'blame list' alongside pubs, and people going in each others houses.

So it's pretty simple, if we can have fans in SPREAD THEM OUT.

Your OP and statement say you having a go at fans ! As for spreading out fans simple maths tell you 2 fans = 4 seats used and that doesn't give you 2mtrs if want to be precise on social distancing ... so 4k fans = 8k seats required! Then there is keeping them apart at halftime full time so to saying SPREAD THEM APART is being simplistic at best! It is a test scenario not exact science? and be extremely hard to blame fans unless there track and trace says they're to blame ... if you saw Brighton game that is the scenario I highlighted several months ago as to how fans would be separated? double the crowd and you can see the problem of having crowds return! So what's alternative mmm Dont bother having crowds until next season even then that may not be possible as social distancing here for another 6months at least according to experts

They haven’t said social distancing here for six months.

What has been said is that the reason for social distancing and other restrictions is to stop people being hospitalised and dying. Once the most vulnerable get vaccinated it should reduce hospital admissions and deaths as 99% of the deaths have been from the vulnerable list first to get vaccinated. Once that happens restrictions can be eased considerably as no longer will people be at risk of death or being hospitalised in the numbers that would cause issues. It all depends on the numbers. If 4,000 a day have it but no one is dying and very few hospitalised then restrictions will quickly cease. Probably springtime.

i agree.... in theory { if the vaccines are anywhere like whats been claimed } numbers of deaths and hospital admissions should drop off a cliff by the time the second level of most at risk have been vaccinated..

Yes Allen, it was actually discussed on the radio earlier about why the fans were so close together in such a big stadium

I'm not sure what your banging on about to be honest as everyone can see it and I'm not sure why you think I'm having a go at fans, on the contrary I would prefer it if MORE can go but if events like the weekend continue then I can guarantee you it will just give Witty/Valace and Co chance to put a swift stop to it and Football will be the next on the 'blame list' alongside pubs, and people going in each others houses.

So it's pretty simple, if we can have fans in SPREAD THEM OUT.

Your OP and statement say you having a go at fans ! As for spreading out fans simple maths tell you 2 fans = 4 seats used and that doesn't give you 2mtrs if want to be precise on social distancing ... so 4k fans = 8k seats required! Then there is keeping them apart at halftime full time so to saying SPREAD THEM APART is being simplistic at best! It is a test scenario not exact science? and be extremely hard to blame fans unless there track and trace says they're to blame ... if you saw Brighton game that is the scenario I highlighted several months ago as to how fans would be separated? double the crowd and you can see the problem of having crowds return! So what's alternative mmm Dont bother having crowds until next season even then that may not be possible as social distancing here for another 6months at least according to experts

im struggling to see your point Allan... surely they should be as far apart as possible no matter how many...

Yes Allen, it was actually discussed on the radio earlier about why the fans were so close together in such a big stadium

I'm not sure what your banging on about to be honest as everyone can see it and I'm not sure why you think I'm having a go at fans, on the contrary I would prefer it if MORE can go but if events like the weekend continue then I can guarantee you it will just give Witty/Valace and Co chance to put a swift stop to it and Football will be the next on the 'blame list' alongside pubs, and people going in each others houses.

So it's pretty simple, if we can have fans in SPREAD THEM OUT.

Your OP and statement say you having a go at fans ! As for spreading out fans simple maths tell you 2 fans = 4 seats used and that doesn't give you 2mtrs if want to be precise on social distancing ... so 4k fans = 8k seats required! Then there is keeping them apart at halftime full time so to saying SPREAD THEM APART is being simplistic at best! It is a test scenario not exact science? and be extremely hard to blame fans unless there track and trace says they're to blame ... if you saw Brighton game that is the scenario I highlighted several months ago as to how fans would be separated? double the crowd and you can see the problem of having crowds return! So what's alternative mmm Dont bother having crowds until next season even then that may not be possible as social distancing here for another 6months at least according to experts

im struggling to see your point Allan... surely they should be as far apart as possible no matter how many...

Yes they should be two meters apart!! So should shoppers so should many other places keep strictly to two meters but they dont.... but let's make micro manage football fans so they comply or they'll get stopped from going as O.P alludes too....
Guess all the fans and clubs need to take look at Brighton as that is official way of social distancing at football grounds whilst inside the bowl Nice to live in perfect I suppose...

Yes Allen, it was actually discussed on the radio earlier about why the fans were so close together in such a big stadium

I'm not sure what your banging on about to be honest as everyone can see it and I'm not sure why you think I'm having a go at fans, on the contrary I would prefer it if MORE can go but if events like the weekend continue then I can guarantee you it will just give Witty/Valace and Co chance to put a swift stop to it and Football will be the next on the 'blame list' alongside pubs, and people going in each others houses.

So it's pretty simple, if we can have fans in SPREAD THEM OUT.

Your OP and statement say you having a go at fans ! As for spreading out fans simple maths tell you 2 fans = 4 seats used and that doesn't give you 2mtrs if want to be precise on social distancing ... so 4k fans = 8k seats required! Then there is keeping them apart at halftime full time so to saying SPREAD THEM APART is being simplistic at best! It is a test scenario not exact science? and be extremely hard to blame fans unless there track and trace says they're to blame ... if you saw Brighton game that is the scenario I highlighted several months ago as to how fans would be separated? double the crowd and you can see the problem of having crowds return! So what's alternative mmm Dont bother having crowds until next season even then that may not be possible as social distancing here for another 6months at least according to experts

No it doesn't, when I say ruining it for 'ourselves', I mean football as an industry, a family, that includes us all. My gripe, as I stated in my post is predominantly with the Clubs, who, despite months to prepare failed to put adequate processes to keep 2,000 fans apart in a 50,000 seater stadium and instead packed them into one stand. At Reading they had to make an announcement in the game asking people to move apart, it was the Clubs fault for putting them in one stand.

Yes, I alluded to groups of fans together at the back of the Kop that shouldn't be, also seen by others on this board and talked about on the radio. I'm not having a go at them, if they have been put in that position why wouldn't they think its OK but ultimately if that continues fans in stadiums will be stopped which is what NONE OF US WANT.

It's not my fault if you can't decipher a post that talks about the current events but I woukd be grateful I'd you would not put words in my mouth going forward, as at no point have I 'had a go' at the fans, unless you deem stating facts as doing so.

Thanks.

Yes Allen, it was actually discussed on the radio earlier about why the fans were so close together in such a big stadium

I'm not sure what your banging on about to be honest as everyone can see it and I'm not sure why you think I'm having a go at fans, on the contrary I would prefer it if MORE can go but if events like the weekend continue then I can guarantee you it will just give Witty/Valace and Co chance to put a swift stop to it and Football will be the next on the 'blame list' alongside pubs, and people going in each others houses.

So it's pretty simple, if we can have fans in SPREAD THEM OUT.

Your OP and statement say you having a go at fans ! As for spreading out fans simple maths tell you 2 fans = 4 seats used and that doesn't give you 2mtrs if want to be precise on social distancing ... so 4k fans = 8k seats required! Then there is keeping them apart at halftime full time so to saying SPREAD THEM APART is being simplistic at best! It is a test scenario not exact science? and be extremely hard to blame fans unless there track and trace says they're to blame ... if you saw Brighton game that is the scenario I highlighted several months ago as to how fans would be separated? double the crowd and you can see the problem of having crowds return! So what's alternative mmm Dont bother having crowds until next season even then that may not be possible as social distancing here for another 6months at least according to experts

im struggling to see your point Allan... surely they should be as far apart as possible no matter how many...

Yes they should be two meters apart!! So should shoppers so should many other places keep strictly to two meters but they dont.... but let's make micro manage football fans so they comply or they'll get stopped from going as O.P alludes too....
Guess all the fans and clubs need to take look at Brighton as that is official way of social distancing at football grounds whilst inside the bowl Nice to live in perfect I suppose...

I agree with your points about fans at football but the comparison with shoppers is slightly misleading.

The guidance on what constitutes close contact is "having face-to-face contact with someone less than a metre away (even if a face-covering or face-mask is worn) or being within 2 metres of an infected person for 15 minutes or more". Shopping you are unlikely to be within a metre unless people are being really stupid and certainly not within 2 metres of someone for 15 minutes.

But going back to football, as log as we can maintain a 1 metre distance between people waling around the concourse/entrances and then 2 metres once sat down there shouldn't be a problem according to the governments own guidance !!

Perhaps Mr Drakeford should have a read