Inclusivity v Ability

Ability should and must determine suitability.

Nathan Blake again on the box.

Positive discrimination is not the answer.

I find the best person for whatever it is be it sport / work always comes out on top no matter what colour/religion they are! Saying got to have so many B.A.M.E people in a job/sport is wrong .....

I find the best person for whatever it is be it sport / work always comes out on top no matter what colour/religion they are! Saying got to have so many B.A.M.E people in a job/sport is wrong .....

Absolutely

I’m all for reducing barriers and helping /supporting people from all backgrounds to embrace opportunities to grow and develop. But discrimination is wrong in all forms. Calling it positive doesn’t make it less discriminatory. You could argue that in decades gone by when men were seen as favourable to women. That was just positive discrimination towards men. Any discrimination will have a negative consequence.
Why should I as a white man be held back in favour of someone less qualified to counter injustice that occurred before I was even born?
Absolutely give everyone access to skills training and education. Let their free will choose the path they follow in life. But to borrow and paraphrase an excellent mans words. judge on the content of their character not the colour of their skin or indeed their sexuality or any other trait that the progressives seem to be important.

I find the best person for whatever it is be it sport / work always comes out on top no matter what colour/religion they are! Saying got to have so many B.A.M.E people in a job/sport is wrong .....

Absolutely

Obviously theres injustices and discrimination but that works both ways in my experience! Footballs Rooney rule is bonkers we all know a manager is only as good as his next win and you cannot falsely put in B.A.M.E person just to fill a quata that will be detrimental for clubs in long run... the reason so few of them is that they are not good enough just like white managers are not (according to fans)

Nathan Blake is on the radio as he is a Cardiff cult hero who’s remained in the area and has pursued a career in media. Whole other argument regarding players going straight into media, but to suggest Nathan Blake is purely there because of the colour of his skin is ridiculous and you have to question what your mindset or motive was for even suggesting it.

Leighton James is the same for Swansea, remained local and pursued a media career. Would you also like to suggest that as a pundit from a less inclusive generation that he got the job for being white?

Equality of opportunity of course, but certainly not equality of outcome. People should get positions based on competence, not based on anything else.

Nathan Blake is on the radio as he is a Cardiff cult hero who’s remained in the area and has pursued a career in media. Whole other argument regarding players going straight into media, but to suggest Nathan Blake is purely there because of the colour of his skin is ridiculous and you have to question what your mindset or motive was for even suggesting it.

Leighton James is the same for Swansea, remained local and pursued a media career. Would you also like to suggest that as a pundit from a less inclusive generation that he got the job for being white?

I'd have to agree with you. I do believe there are instances of people getting roles for the reasons you've mentioned above, but I don't think Blakey falls into that category.

I believe Blake was referring to sport as a whole not just football management, the same thing is probably rife in most walks of life, give a man an opportunity and see how he gets on, no positive discrimination but equally no anti ethnic discrimination either
If you go on ability then all prospective candidates should have had the same equal opportunities earlier in their career so as they can be judged on that, he's suggesting that ethnic minority people don't get given that chance in the first place to be judged on any ability they possess to be able to move up the ladder.
If you can't get on the first rung how can you be judged on your ability? you've achieved nothing previously so can't be looked at on ability.
Not agreeing or disagreeing with his thought process I would say there's definitely a racist problem though in certain circles of power.

A typically binary fore or against discussion again

This is a far more nuanced discussion.

How do you break generations of society norms without interference ?

The civil service recruits the best of the best every year with diversity as its core policy and always seems to recruit based upon ability. They recruit heavily based upon education, which appears fair, why shouldn't it be ? Except that it tends to then recruit the same fee paying school "elite" that it has for the last 200 years.
Should we bring in quota's then to ensure at least 50% are from comprehensive school system, they probably are brighter just not as well educated?

How do you get women into manufacturing or men into nursing or child care.

Its simple to state recruit on ability, they have been, but do you really want to rip open the current system ?

Blakey didn't get the Cardiff City pundit gig because he is black, he got it as a local boy (nuport), who played his early game at Ninian and went onto better things and did what ex pro's do. He is a Jason Perry with more caps and premier league games