Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:10 am
Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:15 am
Bluebina wrote:Great news Pfizer -BioNtech vaccine is approved by the UK regulator MHRA, and will start being given to UK patients in the next few days![]()
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Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:21 am
Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:26 am
kimble wrote:what did he say ? /
Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:47 am
Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:12 am
Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:31 pm
Bluebina wrote:Bluebina wrote:Great news Pfizer -BioNtech vaccine is approved by the UK regulator MHRA, and will start being given to UK patients in the next few days![]()
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OMG I actually agree with that prick Piers Morgan for once
Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:09 pm
Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:30 pm
Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:09 pm
JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.
A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.
On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.
For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.
And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.
Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:40 pm
craig1927 wrote:I’ll happily have the vaccine, But as it’s passed all safety tests etc.. I’m assuming the government will lift the clause about not being able to sue if have any detrimental side affects,
Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:06 am
Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:15 am
ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:I never knew Prof Piers Morgan was a Global Pandemic Expert or even that he is also a virologist. He's in good company though as there lots of them about all over facebook and twitter.
Piers Morgan doesnt know sh1t from sugar so he is in no place to say whether a vacinne is safe or not. And as for taking it tomorrow - that's the sort of the thing this obnoxious , arrogant feck wit would say. He should have said he'll take when it's his turn to take it - you may have gathered Im not a fan of the phone tapping egotistical moron.
In reality it's simple - there is a vaccine available - it is up to the individual whether or not they decide to take it. Hopefully everyone will. The Pfizer one it seems will go to the top tranche of people and the rest of us will be offered the Oxford vaccine as it's more stable and cheaper according to the medical / science industry.
Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:37 am
Sven wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.
A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.
On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.
For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.
And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.
But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it?![]()
The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information
The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift
Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods
Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?
Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:04 am
Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:44 am
Simplesimon wrote:The comments about Pfizer being given legal protection against claims isn’t quite accurate. The government have given them an indemnity that if they do get sued the government will take responsibility and the liability. As the government will be the sole customer in the uk for the vaccine, from a business point of view they simply offered Pfizer terms that were needed to supply what was required. That would have been done to remove any internal hesitation or lack of commitment and allow the company to throw their full resources at achieving a vaccine as quickly as possible. So the ability to sue if it goes tits up is still there. It’s also well documented online how all the pharmaceutical companies were able to achieve a result, as they were already working on coronavirus generally. The BBC documentary, Pandemic, from 2019 opens with the statement that the UK government’s biggest fear is not a terrorist or cyber threat, but a virus originating in China region and all governments were trying to plan for it. Seems it came a bit sooner than expected.
I think I’ll take it when offered, but with a bit of trepidation. I’m in one of the so called vulnerable groups and can’t afford to take the risk of catching it.
Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:12 pm
Simplesimon wrote:The comments about Pfizer being given legal protection against claims isn’t quite accurate. The government have given them an indemnity that if they do get sued the government will take responsibility and the liability. As the government will be the sole customer in the uk for the vaccine, from a business point of view they simply offered Pfizer terms that were needed to supply what was required. That would have been done to remove any internal hesitation or lack of commitment and allow the company to throw their full resources at achieving a vaccine as quickly as possible. So the ability to sue if it goes tits up is still there. It’s also well documented online how all the pharmaceutical companies were able to achieve a result, as they were already working on coronavirus generally. The BBC documentary, Pandemic, from 2019 opens with the statement that the UK government’s biggest fear is not a terrorist or cyber threat, but a virus originating in China region and all governments were trying to plan for it. Seems it came a bit sooner than expected.
I think I’ll take it when offered, but with a bit of trepidation. I’m in one of the so called vulnerable groups and can’t afford to take the risk of catching it.
Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:40 pm
JasonFowler1991 wrote:Sven wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.
A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.
On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.
For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.
And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.
But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it?![]()
The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information
The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift
Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods
Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?
I mean, if you don't consider thorough testing important, and consider skipping it as acceptable, then no I guess it is not in the negative sense. I think the opposite though.
Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:22 pm
pembroke allan wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:Sven wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.
A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.
On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.
For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.
And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.
But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it?![]()
The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information
The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift
Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods
Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?
I mean, if you don't consider thorough testing important, and consider skipping it as acceptable, then no I guess it is not in the negative sense. I think the opposite though.
Alot of producing a vaccine is taken up with waiting for money and approval of various testing this can take years ...... what as happened now is there as been unprecedented co operation between all governments and unlimited money! As one scientist said instead of wait upto a year for finance to get money to go next stage they were able to hire private plane to go get the stuff immediately! It's been in the making for ten months it was actually started before pandemic started....no short cuts done all the testing stages done its just been quicker decision making and no delays as described.
Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:03 pm
skidemin wrote:pembroke allan wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:Sven wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.
A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.
On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.
For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.
And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.
But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it?![]()
The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information
The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift
Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods
Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?
I mean, if you don't consider thorough testing important, and consider skipping it as acceptable, then no I guess it is not in the negative sense. I think the opposite though.
Alot of producing a vaccine is taken up with waiting for money and approval of various testing this can take years ...... what as happened now is there as been unprecedented co operation between all governments and unlimited money! As one scientist said instead of wait upto a year for finance to get money to go next stage they were able to hire private plane to go get the stuff immediately! It's been in the making for ten months it was actually started before pandemic started....no short cuts done all the testing stages done its just been quicker decision making and no delays as described.
its been passed through emergency regulations mate with lots of evidence of trials being much shorter....those are facts along with the liability being removed...
Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:17 pm
JasonFowler1991 wrote:skidemin wrote:pembroke allan wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:Sven wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.
A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.
On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.
For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.
And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.
But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it?![]()
The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information
The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift
Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods
Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?
I mean, if you don't consider thorough testing important, and consider skipping it as acceptable, then no I guess it is not in the negative sense. I think the opposite though.
Alot of producing a vaccine is taken up with waiting for money and approval of various testing this can take years ...... what as happened now is there as been unprecedented co operation between all governments and unlimited money! As one scientist said instead of wait upto a year for finance to get money to go next stage they were able to hire private plane to go get the stuff immediately! It's been in the making for ten months it was actually started before pandemic started....no short cuts done all the testing stages done its just been quicker decision making and no delays as described.
its been passed through emergency regulations mate with lots of evidence of trials being much shorter....those are facts along with the liability being removed...
You cannot study the long term effects of anything in one year, so yes, they have cut corners. This was 10 years ago: https://twitter.com/ninnyd101/status/13 ... 86914?s=21
Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:19 am
pembroke allan wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:skidemin wrote:pembroke allan wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:Sven wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.
A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.
On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.
For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.
And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.
But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it?![]()
The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information
The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift
Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods
Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?
I mean, if you don't consider thorough testing important, and consider skipping it as acceptable, then no I guess it is not in the negative sense. I think the opposite though.
Alot of producing a vaccine is taken up with waiting for money and approval of various testing this can take years ...... what as happened now is there as been unprecedented co operation between all governments and unlimited money! As one scientist said instead of wait upto a year for finance to get money to go next stage they were able to hire private plane to go get the stuff immediately! It's been in the making for ten months it was actually started before pandemic started....no short cuts done all the testing stages done its just been quicker decision making and no delays as described.
its been passed through emergency regulations mate with lots of evidence of trials being much shorter....those are facts along with the liability being removed...
You cannot study the long term effects of anything in one year, so yes, they have cut corners. This was 10 years ago: https://twitter.com/ninnyd101/status/13 ... 86914?s=21
So the whole world keeps to normal schedules for side effects protocol? That makes good sense to wait couple years to see if anything happens after taking vaccine.... let's just hope the virus dies off soon otherwise we'll be lockdown for yrs on that basis.
Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:20 am
skidemin wrote:pembroke allan wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:skidemin wrote:pembroke allan wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:Sven wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.
A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.
On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.
For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.
And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.
But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it?![]()
The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information
The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift
Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods
Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?
I mean, if you don't consider thorough testing important, and consider skipping it as acceptable, then no I guess it is not in the negative sense. I think the opposite though.
Alot of producing a vaccine is taken up with waiting for money and approval of various testing this can take years ...... what as happened now is there as been unprecedented co operation between all governments and unlimited money! As one scientist said instead of wait upto a year for finance to get money to go next stage they were able to hire private plane to go get the stuff immediately! It's been in the making for ten months it was actually started before pandemic started....no short cuts done all the testing stages done its just been quicker decision making and no delays as described.
its been passed through emergency regulations mate with lots of evidence of trials being much shorter....those are facts along with the liability being removed...
You cannot study the long term effects of anything in one year, so yes, they have cut corners. This was 10 years ago: https://twitter.com/ninnyd101/status/13 ... 86914?s=21
So the whole world keeps to normal schedules for side effects protocol? That makes good sense to wait couple years to see if anything happens after taking vaccine.... let's just hope the virus dies off soon otherwise we'll be lockdown for yrs on that basis.
think its down to individuals to figure out for themselves mate.. we all weigh risks against possible gains all the time even if its subconsciously...