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Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:10 am

Great news Pfizer -BioNtech vaccine is approved by the UK regulator MHRA, and will start being given to UK patients in the next few days :occasion5: :occasion5: :thumbup:

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:15 am

Bluebina wrote:Great news Pfizer -BioNtech vaccine is approved by the UK regulator MHRA, and will start being given to UK patients in the next few days :occasion5: :occasion5: :thumbup:



OMG I actually agree with that prick Piers Morgan for once :o

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:21 am

what did he say ? /

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:26 am

kimble wrote:what did he say ? /



He would take it tomorrow live on TV, it's perfectly safe and will change the World!

We need people to get behind it, too many anti-vaxxer conspiracy nutters may stop people taking it, by frightening people.

Dr Hilary backing him, explaining how safe it is and that it was quick because we were doing the three testing processes and production simultaneously :thumbup:

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:47 am

The UK has become the first country in the world to approve the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine for widespread use.

British regulator, the MHRA, says the jab, which offers up to 95% protection against Covid-19 illness, is safe for rollout next week.

Immunisations could start within days for those who need it the most, such as elderly people in care homes.

The UK has already ordered 40m doses - enough to vaccinate 20m people.

Around 10m doses should be available soon, with the first 800,000 arriving in the UK in the coming days.

It is the fastest ever vaccine to go from concept to reality, taking only 10 months to follow the same developmental steps that normally span a decade.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock tweeted "Help is on its way", and told BBC Breakfast that people will be contacted by the NHS when it is their turn for the jab.

He added: "I'm confident now with the news today that from spring, from Easter onwards, things are going to be better and we're going to have a summer next year that everybody can enjoy."

NHS Chief Executive, Sir Simon Stevens, said the health service was preparing for "the largest-scale vaccination campaign in our country's history".

Around 50 hospitals are on standby and vaccination centres in venues such as conference centres are being set up now.

Although vaccination can start, people still need to remain vigilant and follow coronavirus rules to stop the spread, say experts.

That means sticking with the social distancing and face masks, and testing people who may have the virus and asking them to isolate.

Prof Danny Altman, Professor of Immunology at Imperial College London, said news of the approval was "momentous".

"We have the first emergency approval for use of a really effective vaccine. Truly heroic."

Pfizer said it was a win for science.

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:12 am

I’ll happily have the vaccine, But as it’s passed all safety tests etc.. I’m assuming the government will lift the clause about not being able to sue if have any detrimental side affects,

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:31 pm

Bluebina wrote:
Bluebina wrote:Great news Pfizer -BioNtech vaccine is approved by the UK regulator MHRA, and will start being given to UK patients in the next few days :occasion5: :occasion5: :thumbup:



OMG I actually agree with that prick Piers Morgan for once :o



Piers Morgan ...waw ...

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:09 pm

It is not yet known when all care home residents in Wales will be able to receive a Covid-19 vaccine.

The UK has become the first country in the world to approve the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine for widespread use.

But Wales' chief medical officer Frank Atherton could not say when care home residents would receive it due to storage temperature requirements.

Care home residents and staff are among those identified as a top priority.

Other priority groups include health and social care workers and over-80s.

The jab offers up to 95% protection against Covid-19 illness and the Welsh Government hopes the first vaccines will be given within seven to 14 days.

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:30 pm

I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.

A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.

On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.

For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.

And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:09 pm

JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.

A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.

On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.

For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.

And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.

But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it? :?

The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information

The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift

Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods

Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:40 pm

craig1927 wrote:I’ll happily have the vaccine, But as it’s passed all safety tests etc.. I’m assuming the government will lift the clause about not being able to sue if have any detrimental side affects,



lift it ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 65035.html

Dr Piers Morgan!!!!

Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:06 am

I never knew Prof Piers Morgan was a Global Pandemic Expert or even that he is also a virologist. He's in good company though as there lots of them about all over facebook and twitter.

Piers Morgan doesnt know sh1t from sugar so he is in no place to say whether a vacinne is safe or not. And as for taking it tomorrow - that's the sort of the thing this obnoxious , arrogant feck wit would say. He should have said he'll take when it's his turn to take it - you may have gathered Im not a fan of the phone tapping egotistical moron.

In reality it's simple - there is a vaccine available - it is up to the individual whether or not they decide to take it. Hopefully everyone will. The Pfizer one it seems will go to the top tranche of people and the rest of us will be offered the Oxford vaccine as it's more stable and cheaper according to the medical / science industry.

Re: Dr Piers Morgan!!!!

Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:15 am

ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:I never knew Prof Piers Morgan was a Global Pandemic Expert or even that he is also a virologist. He's in good company though as there lots of them about all over facebook and twitter.

Piers Morgan doesnt know sh1t from sugar so he is in no place to say whether a vacinne is safe or not. And as for taking it tomorrow - that's the sort of the thing this obnoxious , arrogant feck wit would say. He should have said he'll take when it's his turn to take it - you may have gathered Im not a fan of the phone tapping egotistical moron.

In reality it's simple - there is a vaccine available - it is up to the individual whether or not they decide to take it. Hopefully everyone will. The Pfizer one it seems will go to the top tranche of people and the rest of us will be offered the Oxford vaccine as it's more stable and cheaper according to the medical / science industry.




i havent watched him for ages... and have no idea why anyone goes on his show to be ambushed, talked over and screamed at....

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:37 am

Sven wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.

A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.

On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.

For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.

And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.

But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it? :?

The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information

The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift

Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods

Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?


I mean, if you don't consider thorough testing important, and consider skipping it as acceptable, then no I guess it is not in the negative sense. I think the opposite though.

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:04 am

The comments about Pfizer being given legal protection against claims isn’t quite accurate. The government have given them an indemnity that if they do get sued the government will take responsibility and the liability. As the government will be the sole customer in the uk for the vaccine, from a business point of view they simply offered Pfizer terms that were needed to supply what was required. That would have been done to remove any internal hesitation or lack of commitment and allow the company to throw their full resources at achieving a vaccine as quickly as possible. So the ability to sue if it goes tits up is still there. It’s also well documented online how all the pharmaceutical companies were able to achieve a result, as they were already working on coronavirus generally. The BBC documentary, Pandemic, from 2019 opens with the statement that the UK government’s biggest fear is not a terrorist or cyber threat, but a virus originating in China region and all governments were trying to plan for it. Seems it came a bit sooner than expected.
I think I’ll take it when offered, but with a bit of trepidation. I’m in one of the so called vulnerable groups and can’t afford to take the risk of catching it.

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:44 am

Simplesimon wrote:The comments about Pfizer being given legal protection against claims isn’t quite accurate. The government have given them an indemnity that if they do get sued the government will take responsibility and the liability. As the government will be the sole customer in the uk for the vaccine, from a business point of view they simply offered Pfizer terms that were needed to supply what was required. That would have been done to remove any internal hesitation or lack of commitment and allow the company to throw their full resources at achieving a vaccine as quickly as possible. So the ability to sue if it goes tits up is still there. It’s also well documented online how all the pharmaceutical companies were able to achieve a result, as they were already working on coronavirus generally. The BBC documentary, Pandemic, from 2019 opens with the statement that the UK government’s biggest fear is not a terrorist or cyber threat, but a virus originating in China region and all governments were trying to plan for it. Seems it came a bit sooner than expected.
I think I’ll take it when offered, but with a bit of trepidation. I’m in one of the so called vulnerable groups and can’t afford to take the risk of catching it.


It's been added to the Vaccine Damages Payments Act. This means you can only claim if you become severely disabled, nothing else.

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:12 pm

Simplesimon wrote:The comments about Pfizer being given legal protection against claims isn’t quite accurate. The government have given them an indemnity that if they do get sued the government will take responsibility and the liability. As the government will be the sole customer in the uk for the vaccine, from a business point of view they simply offered Pfizer terms that were needed to supply what was required. That would have been done to remove any internal hesitation or lack of commitment and allow the company to throw their full resources at achieving a vaccine as quickly as possible. So the ability to sue if it goes tits up is still there. It’s also well documented online how all the pharmaceutical companies were able to achieve a result, as they were already working on coronavirus generally. The BBC documentary, Pandemic, from 2019 opens with the statement that the UK government’s biggest fear is not a terrorist or cyber threat, but a virus originating in China region and all governments were trying to plan for it. Seems it came a bit sooner than expected.
I think I’ll take it when offered, but with a bit of trepidation. I’m in one of the so called vulnerable groups and can’t afford to take the risk of catching it.



it is accurate to say liability has been removed for these pharmaceutical companies and wrong to say otherwise....
and no the government are not taking on the the full liability...

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:40 pm

JasonFowler1991 wrote:
Sven wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.

A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.

On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.

For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.

And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.

But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it? :?

The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information

The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift

Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods

Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?


I mean, if you don't consider thorough testing important, and consider skipping it as acceptable, then no I guess it is not in the negative sense. I think the opposite though.




Alot of producing a vaccine is taken up with waiting for money and approval of various testing this can take years ...... what as happened now is there as been unprecedented co operation between all governments and unlimited money! As one scientist said instead of wait upto a year for finance to get money to go next stage they were able to hire private plane to go get the stuff immediately! It's been in the making for ten months it was actually started before pandemic started....no short cuts done all the testing stages done its just been quicker decision making and no delays as described.

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:22 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:
Sven wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.

A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.

On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.

For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.

And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.

But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it? :?

The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information

The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift

Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods

Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?


I mean, if you don't consider thorough testing important, and consider skipping it as acceptable, then no I guess it is not in the negative sense. I think the opposite though.




Alot of producing a vaccine is taken up with waiting for money and approval of various testing this can take years ...... what as happened now is there as been unprecedented co operation between all governments and unlimited money! As one scientist said instead of wait upto a year for finance to get money to go next stage they were able to hire private plane to go get the stuff immediately! It's been in the making for ten months it was actually started before pandemic started....no short cuts done all the testing stages done its just been quicker decision making and no delays as described.




its been passed through emergency regulations mate with lots of evidence of trials being much shorter....those are facts along with the liability being removed...

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:03 pm

skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:
Sven wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.

A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.

On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.

For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.

And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.

But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it? :?

The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information

The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift

Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods

Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?


I mean, if you don't consider thorough testing important, and consider skipping it as acceptable, then no I guess it is not in the negative sense. I think the opposite though.




Alot of producing a vaccine is taken up with waiting for money and approval of various testing this can take years ...... what as happened now is there as been unprecedented co operation between all governments and unlimited money! As one scientist said instead of wait upto a year for finance to get money to go next stage they were able to hire private plane to go get the stuff immediately! It's been in the making for ten months it was actually started before pandemic started....no short cuts done all the testing stages done its just been quicker decision making and no delays as described.




its been passed through emergency regulations mate with lots of evidence of trials being much shorter....those are facts along with the liability being removed...


You cannot study the long term effects of anything in one year, so yes, they have cut corners. This was 10 years ago: https://twitter.com/ninnyd101/status/13 ... 86914?s=21

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:17 pm

JasonFowler1991 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:
Sven wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.

A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.

On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.

For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.

And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.

But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it? :?

The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information

The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift

Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods

Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?


I mean, if you don't consider thorough testing important, and consider skipping it as acceptable, then no I guess it is not in the negative sense. I think the opposite though.




Alot of producing a vaccine is taken up with waiting for money and approval of various testing this can take years ...... what as happened now is there as been unprecedented co operation between all governments and unlimited money! As one scientist said instead of wait upto a year for finance to get money to go next stage they were able to hire private plane to go get the stuff immediately! It's been in the making for ten months it was actually started before pandemic started....no short cuts done all the testing stages done its just been quicker decision making and no delays as described.




its been passed through emergency regulations mate with lots of evidence of trials being much shorter....those are facts along with the liability being removed...


You cannot study the long term effects of anything in one year, so yes, they have cut corners. This was 10 years ago: https://twitter.com/ninnyd101/status/13 ... 86914?s=21



So the whole world keeps to normal schedules for side effects protocol? That makes good sense to wait couple years to see if anything happens after taking vaccine.... let's just hope the virus dies off soon otherwise we'll be lockdown for yrs on that basis.

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:19 am

pembroke allan wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:
Sven wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.

A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.

On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.

For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.

And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.

But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it? :?

The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information

The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift

Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods

Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?


I mean, if you don't consider thorough testing important, and consider skipping it as acceptable, then no I guess it is not in the negative sense. I think the opposite though.




Alot of producing a vaccine is taken up with waiting for money and approval of various testing this can take years ...... what as happened now is there as been unprecedented co operation between all governments and unlimited money! As one scientist said instead of wait upto a year for finance to get money to go next stage they were able to hire private plane to go get the stuff immediately! It's been in the making for ten months it was actually started before pandemic started....no short cuts done all the testing stages done its just been quicker decision making and no delays as described.




its been passed through emergency regulations mate with lots of evidence of trials being much shorter....those are facts along with the liability being removed...


You cannot study the long term effects of anything in one year, so yes, they have cut corners. This was 10 years ago: https://twitter.com/ninnyd101/status/13 ... 86914?s=21



So the whole world keeps to normal schedules for side effects protocol? That makes good sense to wait couple years to see if anything happens after taking vaccine.... let's just hope the virus dies off soon otherwise we'll be lockdown for yrs on that basis.



think its down to individuals to figure out for themselves mate.. we all weigh risks against possible gains all the time even if its subconsciously...

Re: Breaking News Pfizer vaccine approved by UK regulator

Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:20 am

skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:
Sven wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:I don't think its fair to call people who are skeptical about a vaccine being fast tracked 'anti vaxxers'.

A vaccine usually goes through years of testing, simply because it takes years to understand full side effects. The vaccine makers will also have legal protection, in the event of any adverse effects.

On top of that, the Pfizer CEO sold his shares on the day of the announcement that they had a successful vaccine, for 5 million. If I was the owner, co-owner or shareholder of a company that is hoping to vaccinated all of the world, I'd not be selling for 5 million. Each dose is a reported 20 dollar cost, there are 7 billion + people in the world and they believe will need at least two vaccination. 20 x 14 billion = 280000000000 - I actually don't even know what number that is. If my company was about to bring in that revenue, no way would I be selling. So although it doesn't prove anything, it does raise questions for me.

For those at the front of the queue, and those willing to volunteer - I hope for your sake the vaccine is safe.

And as for Piers Morgan taking it live on TV, with Matt Hancock - well thats just propaganda 101. Prove to us its safe through testing, not by Piers Corbyn taking it live on tv.

But it hasn't been 'fast tracked' in the negative, has it? :?

The world realised that it needed an answer to COVID-19 and they got together to work it out using both new and existing knowledge on how and why vaccines work, which meant the time spent on finding a solution was many times greater than ever before; not to mention the sharing of information

The EU had a 'dig' at the UK this morning, stating they didn't see how the UK were ahead of the EU in the 'approval' stakes. Pfizer BioNTech put that one straight to bed by saying that the UK responded to any emails between the two within 10 minutes, whilst the EU group weren't quite as swift

Just seems to me that the clever people in this particular sphere of science have pulled one out of the hat when it truly matters and come up with the goods

Why can't that be the simple case to some people? What are they modernly basing their thoughts on?


I mean, if you don't consider thorough testing important, and consider skipping it as acceptable, then no I guess it is not in the negative sense. I think the opposite though.




Alot of producing a vaccine is taken up with waiting for money and approval of various testing this can take years ...... what as happened now is there as been unprecedented co operation between all governments and unlimited money! As one scientist said instead of wait upto a year for finance to get money to go next stage they were able to hire private plane to go get the stuff immediately! It's been in the making for ten months it was actually started before pandemic started....no short cuts done all the testing stages done its just been quicker decision making and no delays as described.




its been passed through emergency regulations mate with lots of evidence of trials being much shorter....those are facts along with the liability being removed...


You cannot study the long term effects of anything in one year, so yes, they have cut corners. This was 10 years ago: https://twitter.com/ninnyd101/status/13 ... 86914?s=21



So the whole world keeps to normal schedules for side effects protocol? That makes good sense to wait couple years to see if anything happens after taking vaccine.... let's just hope the virus dies off soon otherwise we'll be lockdown for yrs on that basis.



think its down to individuals to figure out for themselves mate.. we all weigh risks against possible gains all the time even if its subconsciously...


Exactly. Peoples freedoms should not begin where other peoples fear ends.