Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:41 am
Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:57 am
Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:21 am
thomasblue wrote:They have a hell of a lot of experience
Vincent tan has owned a top level football club for over a decade whilst also owner multiple other clubs around the world
In fact he is the 4th longest serving owner in the league
Dalman has been a director and chairman of this club for over 8 years including two premier League seasons
Ken Choo has been here over 6 years involved in different departments of the club
They are all also very successful businessmen who know how to run this club off the pitch.
Harris has been involved in the game for over 20 years at this level
They are very experienced now and the "they are not football men" does not wash anymore. How long do they have to be here to become football men ?
This "they are not football men" dig is just a way of abusing Tan because they have nothing to moan about at the moment other than a few poor results on the pitch
Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:24 am
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:25 am
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:34 am
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:45 am
Always City wrote:thomasblue wrote:They have a hell of a lot of experience
Vincent tan has owned a top level football club for over a decade whilst also owner multiple other clubs around the world
In fact he is the 4th longest serving owner in the league
Dalman has been a director and chairman of this club for over 8 years including two premier League seasons
Ken Choo has been here over 6 years involved in different departments of the club
They are all also very successful businessmen who know how to run this club off the pitch.
Harris has been involved in the game for over 20 years at this level
They are very experienced now and the "they are not football men" does not wash anymore. How long do they have to be here to become football men ?
This "they are not football men" dig is just a way of abusing Tan because they have nothing to moan about at the moment other than a few poor results on the pitch
Mate, regarding football they have only experience of f*cking up contracts, fees, injuries, they no jack shit.
yes mate away from football good businessmen, but we need football men at the top as well as good businessmen![]()
Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:23 pm
Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:52 pm
thomasblue wrote:They have a hell of a lot of experience
Vincent tan has owned a top level football club for over a decade whilst also owner multiple other clubs around the world
In fact he is the 4th longest serving owner in the league
Dalman has been a director and chairman of this club for over 8 years including two premier League seasons
Ken Choo has been here over 6 years involved in different departments of the club
They are all also very successful businessmen who know how to run this club off the pitch.
Harris has been involved in the game for over 20 years at this level
They are very experienced now and the "they are not football men" does not wash anymore. How long do they have to be here to become football men ?
This "they are not football men" dig is just a way of abusing Tan because they have nothing to moan about at the moment other than a few poor results on the pitch
Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:34 pm
kimble wrote:its all about opinions.. i respect yours but mine is they are not football men...
Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:49 pm
Forever Blue wrote:kimble wrote:its all about opinions.. i respect yours but mine is they are not football men...
And mine ,a fact and 100% all clueless on football![]()
Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:57 pm
thomasblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:kimble wrote:its all about opinions.. i respect yours but mine is they are not football men...
And mine ,a fact and 100% all clueless on football![]()
The football facts are clear in black and white :
10 years in the game
Two promotions
League Cup final
Four play off finishes
Transfer records broken both buying and selling allowing us to be financially secure
Big name managers hired
Big name premier league loan signings
Most successful decade in the clubs history under our apparent useless transfer committee
Hey ho I'm guessing our u23s currently struggling because they are mostly last seasons u18s mean they know nothing about football
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:12 pm
Forever Blue wrote:thomasblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:kimble wrote:its all about opinions.. i respect yours but mine is they are not football men...
And mine ,a fact and 100% all clueless on football![]()
The football facts are clear in black and white :
10 years in the game
Two promotions
League Cup final
Four play off finishes
Transfer records broken both buying and selling allowing us to be financially secure
Big name managers hired
Big name premier league loan signings
Most successful decade in the clubs history under our apparent useless transfer committee
Hey ho I'm guessing our u23s currently struggling because they are mostly last seasons u18s mean they know nothing about football
10 managers / 6 CEO’S
WASTED About £300mill and still in debt after all that success
And more debt than when they arrived , it should be zero by now.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:50 pm
thomasblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:thomasblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:kimble wrote:its all about opinions.. i respect yours but mine is they are not football men...
And mine ,a fact and 100% all clueless on football![]()
The football facts are clear in black and white :
10 years in the game
Two promotions
League Cup final
Four play off finishes
Transfer records broken both buying and selling allowing us to be financially secure
Big name managers hired
Big name premier league loan signings
Most successful decade in the clubs history under our apparent useless transfer committee
Hey ho I'm guessing our u23s currently struggling because they are mostly last seasons u18s mean they know nothing about football
10 managers / 6 CEO’S
WASTED About £300mill and still in debt after all that success
And more debt than when they arrived , it should be zero by now.
Its actually 6 permanent managers and one of those only lasted 3 months before the club sacked him. Two of the others won promotion, Harris made the play offs first season, Solskjaer went on to manage the biggest club in the world and the other two were bought in to clear the squad out to start again.
You are counting David kerslake who was temporary for about a week and Gabbidon/Young pairing which were also temporary which let's be honest is only to try and make it look bad.
A whilst back you were saying that tan hasn't backed his managers now all of a sudden he has spent £300million. Average that out and its £30million per year .
I would say at championship level that is definitely called backing your managers.
The best is serviceable and manageable which was not the case with previous owners. He has kept his word regarding the debt to equity.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:56 pm
thomasblue wrote:Always City wrote:thomasblue wrote:They have a hell of a lot of experience
Vincent tan has owned a top level football club for over a decade whilst also owner multiple other clubs around the world
In fact he is the 4th longest serving owner in the league
Dalman has been a director and chairman of this club for over 8 years including two premier League seasons
Ken Choo has been here over 6 years involved in different departments of the club
They are all also very successful businessmen who know how to run this club off the pitch.
Harris has been involved in the game for over 20 years at this level
They are very experienced now and the "they are not football men" does not wash anymore. How long do they have to be here to become football men ?
This "they are not football men" dig is just a way of abusing Tan because they have nothing to moan about at the moment other than a few poor results on the pitch
Mate, regarding football they have only experience of f*cking up contracts, fees, injuries, they no jack shit.
yes mate away from football good businessmen, but we need football men at the top as well as good businessmen![]()
How are injuries the fault of the transfer committee?
The vassell issue i will conceed but who else have they signed that went wrong ?
People act like we are the only club who sign players that do not work out , for every bad signing we have had two good ones.
Was Zahore a mistake ? Signed him for peanuts , scored the goals to get us promoted then made massive profit on him.
How about Patterson who was injured when we signed him but turned out to be a great signing for cheap
Smithies was a bargain at £3mill
How about the free signings of Bamba , Etheridge , Hoilett and Mendez-Laing ?
All three went on to be a huge part of our promotion season
How about a the big name loan signings they have forked out on like Camarasa, Arter , Wilson , Bellamy , Ramsey
Were they mistakes ?
What about the appointments of two managers who won us promotion ?
Or the appointment of solskjaer who even though didn't work out here went on to manage arguably one of the biggest clubs in the world.
I would say there record is only shit if you only look at the bad points and ignore the good.
Nobody is perfect and this is not a computer game, mistakes happen at every club no matter how long you have been involved in football.
It was Warnock who signed Vassell , Flint and Niasse who all flopped but he's been involved in football for 50 years , or was he not a football man either ?
Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:01 pm
maccydee wrote:thomasblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:thomasblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:kimble wrote:its all about opinions.. i respect yours but mine is they are not football men...
And mine ,a fact and 100% all clueless on football![]()
The football facts are clear in black and white :
10 years in the game
Two promotions
League Cup final
Four play off finishes
Transfer records broken both buying and selling allowing us to be financially secure
Big name managers hired
Big name premier league loan signings
Most successful decade in the clubs history under our apparent useless transfer committee
Hey ho I'm guessing our u23s currently struggling because they are mostly last seasons u18s mean they know nothing about football
10 managers / 6 CEO’S
WASTED About £300mill and still in debt after all that success
And more debt than when they arrived , it should be zero by now.
Its actually 6 permanent managers and one of those only lasted 3 months before the club sacked him. Two of the others won promotion, Harris made the play offs first season, Solskjaer went on to manage the biggest club in the world and the other two were bought in to clear the squad out to start again.
You are counting David kerslake who was temporary for about a week and Gabbidon/Young pairing which were also temporary which let's be honest is only to try and make it look bad.
A whilst back you were saying that tan hasn't backed his managers now all of a sudden he has spent £300million. Average that out and its £30million per year .
I would say at championship level that is definitely called backing your managers.
The best is serviceable and manageable which was not the case with previous owners. He has kept his word regarding the debt to equity.
He has backed various managers in the transfer market. While still being responsible for the considerable debt the club had. When Tan took over we had very few actual assets. Else Ridsdale would have sold them. Instead he spent first season with little income as it had all been spent.
Then the red debacle which meant Tan spent loads as he promised.
With some on here if he cuts back he has no ambition if he spends he is adding to the debt.
He never will and never can win. The usual suspects chat on about 35 managers and the committee and 16 CEOs and 300 million in etc etc.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:03 pm
Always City wrote:thomasblue wrote:Always City wrote:thomasblue wrote:They have a hell of a lot of experience
Vincent tan has owned a top level football club for over a decade whilst also owner multiple other clubs around the world
In fact he is the 4th longest serving owner in the league
Dalman has been a director and chairman of this club for over 8 years including two premier League seasons
Ken Choo has been here over 6 years involved in different departments of the club
They are all also very successful businessmen who know how to run this club off the pitch.
Harris has been involved in the game for over 20 years at this level
They are very experienced now and the "they are not football men" does not wash anymore. How long do they have to be here to become football men ?
This "they are not football men" dig is just a way of abusing Tan because they have nothing to moan about at the moment other than a few poor results on the pitch
Mate, regarding football they have only experience of f*cking up contracts, fees, injuries, they no jack shit.
yes mate away from football good businessmen, but we need football men at the top as well as good businessmen![]()
How are injuries the fault of the transfer committee?
The vassell issue i will conceed but who else have they signed that went wrong ?
People act like we are the only club who sign players that do not work out , for every bad signing we have had two good ones.
Was Zahore a mistake ? Signed him for peanuts , scored the goals to get us promoted then made massive profit on him.
How about Patterson who was injured when we signed him but turned out to be a great signing for cheap
Smithies was a bargain at £3mill
How about the free signings of Bamba , Etheridge , Hoilett and Mendez-Laing ?
All three went on to be a huge part of our promotion season
How about a the big name loan signings they have forked out on like Camarasa, Arter , Wilson , Bellamy , Ramsey
Were they mistakes ?
What about the appointments of two managers who won us promotion ?
Or the appointment of solskjaer who even though didn't work out here went on to manage arguably one of the biggest clubs in the world.
I would say there record is only shit if you only look at the bad points and ignore the good.
Nobody is perfect and this is not a computer game, mistakes happen at every club no matter how long you have been involved in football.
It was Warnock who signed Vassell , Flint and Niasse who all flopped but he's been involved in football for 50 years , or was he not a football man either ?
Committee go through their files, look at their backgrounds, they are responsible for their medical history, they decide wages, contracts, just so so so many bad signings under them
Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:17 pm
thomasblue wrote:Always City wrote:thomasblue wrote:Always City wrote:thomasblue wrote:They have a hell of a lot of experience
Vincent tan has owned a top level football club for over a decade whilst also owner multiple other clubs around the world
In fact he is the 4th longest serving owner in the league
Dalman has been a director and chairman of this club for over 8 years including two premier League seasons
Ken Choo has been here over 6 years involved in different departments of the club
They are all also very successful businessmen who know how to run this club off the pitch.
Harris has been involved in the game for over 20 years at this level
They are very experienced now and the "they are not football men" does not wash anymore. How long do they have to be here to become football men ?
This "they are not football men" dig is just a way of abusing Tan because they have nothing to moan about at the moment other than a few poor results on the pitch
Mate, regarding football they have only experience of f*cking up contracts, fees, injuries, they no jack shit.
yes mate away from football good businessmen, but we need football men at the top as well as good businessmen![]()
How are injuries the fault of the transfer committee?
The vassell issue i will conceed but who else have they signed that went wrong ?
People act like we are the only club who sign players that do not work out , for every bad signing we have had two good ones.
Was Zahore a mistake ? Signed him for peanuts , scored the goals to get us promoted then made massive profit on him.
How about Patterson who was injured when we signed him but turned out to be a great signing for cheap
Smithies was a bargain at £3mill
How about the free signings of Bamba , Etheridge , Hoilett and Mendez-Laing ?
All three went on to be a huge part of our promotion season
How about a the big name loan signings they have forked out on like Camarasa, Arter , Wilson , Bellamy , Ramsey
Were they mistakes ?
What about the appointments of two managers who won us promotion ?
Or the appointment of solskjaer who even though didn't work out here went on to manage arguably one of the biggest clubs in the world.
I would say there record is only shit if you only look at the bad points and ignore the good.
Nobody is perfect and this is not a computer game, mistakes happen at every club no matter how long you have been involved in football.
It was Warnock who signed Vassell , Flint and Niasse who all flopped but he's been involved in football for 50 years , or was he not a football man either ?
Committee go through their files, look at their backgrounds, they are responsible for their medical history, they decide wages, contracts, just so so so many bad signings under them
Name them ?
Then name me a club who hasn't made transfer mistakes. There is no perfect science to this business every transfer carries risks. The committee would take medical advice from doctors and physios so if a transfer goes wrong like Richards and Vassell it is more down to them than the committee
Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:27 pm
Always City wrote:thomasblue wrote:Always City wrote:thomasblue wrote:Always City wrote:thomasblue wrote:They have a hell of a lot of experience
Vincent tan has owned a top level football club for over a decade whilst also owner multiple other clubs around the world
In fact he is the 4th longest serving owner in the league
Dalman has been a director and chairman of this club for over 8 years including two premier League seasons
Ken Choo has been here over 6 years involved in different departments of the club
They are all also very successful businessmen who know how to run this club off the pitch.
Harris has been involved in the game for over 20 years at this level
They are very experienced now and the "they are not football men" does not wash anymore. How long do they have to be here to become football men ?
This "they are not football men" dig is just a way of abusing Tan because they have nothing to moan about at the moment other than a few poor results on the pitch
Mate, regarding football they have only experience of f*cking up contracts, fees, injuries, they no jack shit.
yes mate away from football good businessmen, but we need football men at the top as well as good businessmen![]()
How are injuries the fault of the transfer committee?
The vassell issue i will conceed but who else have they signed that went wrong ?
People act like we are the only club who sign players that do not work out , for every bad signing we have had two good ones.
Was Zahore a mistake ? Signed him for peanuts , scored the goals to get us promoted then made massive profit on him.
How about Patterson who was injured when we signed him but turned out to be a great signing for cheap
Smithies was a bargain at £3mill
How about the free signings of Bamba , Etheridge , Hoilett and Mendez-Laing ?
All three went on to be a huge part of our promotion season
How about a the big name loan signings they have forked out on like Camarasa, Arter , Wilson , Bellamy , Ramsey
Were they mistakes ?
What about the appointments of two managers who won us promotion ?
Or the appointment of solskjaer who even though didn't work out here went on to manage arguably one of the biggest clubs in the world.
I would say there record is only shit if you only look at the bad points and ignore the good.
Nobody is perfect and this is not a computer game, mistakes happen at every club no matter how long you have been involved in football.
It was Warnock who signed Vassell , Flint and Niasse who all flopped but he's been involved in football for 50 years , or was he not a football man either ?
Committee go through their files, look at their backgrounds, they are responsible for their medical history, they decide wages, contracts, just so so so many bad signings under them
Name them ?
Then name me a club who hasn't made transfer mistakes. There is no perfect science to this business every transfer carries risks. The committee would take medical advice from doctors and physios so if a transfer goes wrong like Richards and Vassell it is more down to them than the committee
Mate, you aint a fan, i think you have been sussed your on the club pay roll, caught out mate![]()
Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:28 pm
Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:32 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Well the committee really made a balls up with this seasons signings didnt they?
Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:00 pm
thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Well the committee really made a balls up with this seasons signings didnt they?
Yep
3 of our 4 top scorers this year were signedast transfer window
Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:06 pm
thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Well the committee really made a balls up with this seasons signings didnt they?
Yep
3 of our 4 top scorers this year were signedast transfer window
Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:11 pm
pembroke allan wrote:thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Well the committee really made a balls up with this seasons signings didnt they?
Yep
3 of our 4 top scorers this year were signedast transfer window
Not sure what's going on with this board but all getting is snipping and digs at club/owner it's like open season ! They've done good and bad same as all clubs with committees? Rather than blame them why not blame managers who sighn players like vessels! committee only facilitate buying players the manager wants...
Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:13 pm
thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Well the committee really made a balls up with this seasons signings didnt they?
Yep
3 of our 4 top scorers this year were signedast transfer window
Not sure what's going on with this board but all getting is snipping and digs at club/owner it's like open season ! They've done good and bad same as all clubs with committees? Rather than blame them why not blame managers who sighn players like vessels! committee only facilitate buying players the manager wants...
Totally agree mate
When the board do something wrong by all means say something but they've done a great job last few years, verdict is out on the Harris appointment but other than that they are doing a good job. Blaming them for a signing that was signed by a guy with over 50 years experience in the game then saying its Tans fault because he's not a football man is just wrong
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:17 pm
pembroke allan wrote:thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Well the committee really made a balls up with this seasons signings didnt they?
Yep
3 of our 4 top scorers this year were signedast transfer window
Not sure what's going on with this board but all getting is snipping and digs at club/owner it's like open season ! They've done good and bad same as all clubs with committees? Rather than blame them why not blame managers who sighn players like vessels! committee only facilitate buying players the manager wants...
Totally agree mate
When the board do something wrong by all means say something but they've done a great job last few years, verdict is out on the Harris appointment but other than that they are doing a good job. Blaming them for a signing that was signed by a guy with over 50 years experience in the game then saying its Tans fault because he's not a football man is just wrong
not only this its this yes man crap biggest yes man was Mackay for saying nothing about red? But hes the darling of people yet slade ect are ridiculed for doing things 99% of managers do at other clubs in same situation.... lots sheep on here that's for sure.
Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:01 am
pembroke allan wrote:thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Well the committee really made a balls up with this seasons signings didnt they?
Yep
3 of our 4 top scorers this year were signedast transfer window
Not sure what's going on with this board but all getting is snipping and digs at club/owner it's like open season ! They've done good and bad same as all clubs with committees? Rather than blame them why not blame managers who sighn players like vessels! committee only facilitate buying players the manager wants...
Totally agree mate
When the board do something wrong by all means say something but they've done a great job last few years, verdict is out on the Harris appointment but other than that they are doing a good job. Blaming them for a signing that was signed by a guy with over 50 years experience in the game then saying its Tans fault because he's not a football man is just wrong
not only this its this yes man crap biggest yes man was Mackay for saying nothing about red? But hes the darling of people yet slade ect are ridiculed for doing things 99% of managers do at other clubs in same situation.... lots sheep on here that's for sure.
Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:02 am
Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Well the committee really made a balls up with this seasons signings didnt they?
Yep
3 of our 4 top scorers this year were signedast transfer window
Not sure what's going on with this board but all getting is snipping and digs at club/owner it's like open season ! They've done good and bad same as all clubs with committees? Rather than blame them why not blame managers who sighn players like vessels! committee only facilitate buying players the manager wants...
Totally agree mate
When the board do something wrong by all means say something but they've done a great job last few years, verdict is out on the Harris appointment but other than that they are doing a good job. Blaming them for a signing that was signed by a guy with over 50 years experience in the game then saying its Tans fault because he's not a football man is just wrong
not only this its this yes man crap biggest yes man was Mackay for saying nothing about red? But hes the darling of people yet slade ect are ridiculed for doing things 99% of managers do at other clubs in same situation.... lots sheep on here that's for sure.
Wrong Allan Red fan, Malky was brought here to manage a team not to get involved in the politics side .
As you read what I said the other day, I chatted to Malky about the colour quite strongly and he stated his job was to get his players to win games .
It was up to our fans to stand up for our identity, but we won’t go in to that again as to this day I can’t stand those that accepted the despicable red![]()
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Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:46 am
maccydee wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Well the committee really made a balls up with this seasons signings didnt they?
Yep
3 of our 4 top scorers this year were signedast transfer window
Not sure what's going on with this board but all getting is snipping and digs at club/owner it's like open season ! They've done good and bad same as all clubs with committees? Rather than blame them why not blame managers who sighn players like vessels! committee only facilitate buying players the manager wants...
Totally agree mate
When the board do something wrong by all means say something but they've done a great job last few years, verdict is out on the Harris appointment but other than that they are doing a good job. Blaming them for a signing that was signed by a guy with over 50 years experience in the game then saying its Tans fault because he's not a football man is just wrong
not only this its this yes man crap biggest yes man was Mackay for saying nothing about red? But hes the darling of people yet slade ect are ridiculed for doing things 99% of managers do at other clubs in same situation.... lots sheep on here that's for sure.
Wrong Allan Red fan, Malky was brought here to manage a team not to get involved in the politics side .
As you read what I said the other day, I chatted to Malky about the colour quite strongly and he stated his job was to get his players to win games .
It was up to our fans to stand up for our identity, but we won’t go in to that again as to this day I can’t stand those that accepted the despicable red![]()
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Then how can any manager be called a yes man?
They are all here to manage the team not get involved in politics.
Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:01 am
Forever Blue wrote:maccydee wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:thomasblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Well the committee really made a balls up with this seasons signings didnt they?
Yep
3 of our 4 top scorers this year were signedast transfer window
Not sure what's going on with this board but all getting is snipping and digs at club/owner it's like open season ! They've done good and bad same as all clubs with committees? Rather than blame them why not blame managers who sighn players like vessels! committee only facilitate buying players the manager wants...
Totally agree mate
When the board do something wrong by all means say something but they've done a great job last few years, verdict is out on the Harris appointment but other than that they are doing a good job. Blaming them for a signing that was signed by a guy with over 50 years experience in the game then saying its Tans fault because he's not a football man is just wrong
not only this its this yes man crap biggest yes man was Mackay for saying nothing about red? But hes the darling of people yet slade ect are ridiculed for doing things 99% of managers do at other clubs in same situation.... lots sheep on here that's for sure.
Wrong Allan Red fan, Malky was brought here to manage a team not to get involved in the politics side .
As you read what I said the other day, I chatted to Malky about the colour quite strongly and he stated his job was to get his players to win games .
It was up to our fans to stand up for our identity, but we won’t go in to that again as to this day I can’t stand those that accepted the despicable red![]()
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Then how can any manager be called a yes man?
They are all here to manage the team not get involved in politics.
Slade, Trollope, Harris. never had the backbone like Malky or Warnock and were def YES men without a doubt.