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WestCoastBlue wrote:Very very controversial opinion I’m sure, but I’d replace Pele with...
Ibrahimovic
The bloke is 39 and he’s got 20 goals in 24 matches for Milan in the Serie A this season and last. He’s been playing in the top 6 leagues (Netherlands 6th) for 20 years bar a 2 year stint in America. 818 games, 496 goals.
He’s won the Serie A with 3 different teams
He’s won La Liga
He’s won the Eredivisie
He’s won Ligue 1 4 times
He’s won national cups in 5 countries and, arguably, carried Sweden singlehandedly for over a decade.
The man is a machine and doesn’t look like he’s stopping anytime soon, people said he was too old for United when he signed 4 years ago yet in just 53 games he won the League Cup, Community Shield and Europa League.
Pele played in an age where you’d drink and smoke after playing a match with balls made of concrete on pitches with more stones than grass. Football 60 years ago was a completely different game to now.
Pele also only ever played in Brazil and the USA, Ibrahimovic has proven he can play and score against the worlds best in several leagues.
Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:56 pm
Welshman in CA wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:Very very controversial opinion I’m sure, but I’d replace Pele with...
Ibrahimovic
The bloke is 39 and he’s got 20 goals in 24 matches for Milan in the Serie A this season and last. He’s been playing in the top 6 leagues (Netherlands 6th) for 20 years bar a 2 year stint in America. 818 games, 496 goals.
He’s won the Serie A with 3 different teams
He’s won La Liga
He’s won the Eredivisie
He’s won Ligue 1 4 times
He’s won national cups in 5 countries and, arguably, carried Sweden singlehandedly for over a decade.
The man is a machine and doesn’t look like he’s stopping anytime soon, people said he was too old for United when he signed 4 years ago yet in just 53 games he won the League Cup, Community Shield and Europa League.
Pele played in an age where you’d drink and smoke after playing a match with balls made of concrete on pitches with more stones than grass. Football 60 years ago was a completely different game to now.
Pele also only ever played in Brazil and the USA, Ibrahimovic has proven he can play and score against the worlds best in several leagues.
While you make a compelling argument the fact that you had to list all these accomplishments counts as a minus in my mind, compare that list to why Pele, well because he's Pele that why, no need for a list.
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Fairblue27 wrote:Surely Cruyff must feature somewhere?
Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:38 pm
thomasblue wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:Surely Cruyff must feature somewhere?
Could he have done it in todays game with the fitness and skill levels ?
Personally I dont think anyone from before before the 90s would even get near top level professional teams today . Its a totally different game
Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:47 pm
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Fairblue27 wrote:thomasblue wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:Surely Cruyff must feature somewhere?
Could he have done it in todays game with the fitness and skill levels ?
Personally I dont think anyone from before before the 90s would even get near top level professional teams today . Its a totally different game
Surely when considering whether Cruyff, Puskas or Beckenbauer merit inclusion for example you need to consider the playing conditions pitches tackling and diet/fitness regimes prevalent at the time. The thread is who is in the best ever not best since 1990.
Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:43 pm
thomasblue wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:thomasblue wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:Surely Cruyff must feature somewhere?
Could he have done it in todays game with the fitness and skill levels ?
Personally I dont think anyone from before before the 90s would even get near top level professional teams today . Its a totally different game
Surely when considering whether Cruyff, Puskas or Beckenbauer merit inclusion for example you need to consider the playing conditions pitches tackling and diet/fitness regimes prevalent at the time. The thread is who is in the best ever not best since 1990.
Exactly
But is a player from the 60s of the same quality as we see now ?
Totally different game and the skill levels now are way way above then
Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:24 pm
Welshman in CA wrote:thomasblue wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:thomasblue wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:Surely Cruyff must feature somewhere?
Could he have done it in todays game with the fitness and skill levels ?
Personally I dont think anyone from before before the 90s would even get near top level professional teams today . Its a totally different game
Surely when considering whether Cruyff, Puskas or Beckenbauer merit inclusion for example you need to consider the playing conditions pitches tackling and diet/fitness regimes prevalent at the time. The thread is who is in the best ever not best since 1990.
Exactly
But is a player from the 60s of the same quality as we see now ?
Totally different game and the skill levels now are way way above then
Surely this applies the other way. Could today's bunch of overpaid snowflakes have survived and flourished by having the crap kicked out of them in the way Pele did ? Or are they so skillful now that nobody would have got near them ? As you say it is a totally different game now but you're only looking at it one way.
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blue lagoon wrote:How would Bobby Moore handle the modern game
Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:22 pm
Welshman in CA wrote:thomasblue wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:thomasblue wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:Surely Cruyff must feature somewhere?
Could he have done it in todays game with the fitness and skill levels ?
Personally I dont think anyone from before before the 90s would even get near top level professional teams today . Its a totally different game
Surely when considering whether Cruyff, Puskas or Beckenbauer merit inclusion for example you need to consider the playing conditions pitches tackling and diet/fitness regimes prevalent at the time. The thread is who is in the best ever not best since 1990.
Exactly
But is a player from the 60s of the same quality as we see now ?
Totally different game and the skill levels now are way way above then
Surely this applies the other way. Could today's bunch of overpaid snowflakes have survived and flourished by having the crap kicked out of them in the way Pele did ? Or are they so skillful now that nobody would have got near them ? As you say it is a totally different game now but you're only looking at it one way.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:47 pm
frazier wrote:Welshman in CA wrote:thomasblue wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:thomasblue wrote:Fairblue27 wrote:Surely Cruyff must feature somewhere?
Could he have done it in todays game with the fitness and skill levels ?
Personally I dont think anyone from before before the 90s would even get near top level professional teams today . Its a totally different game
Surely when considering whether Cruyff, Puskas or Beckenbauer merit inclusion for example you need to consider the playing conditions pitches tackling and diet/fitness regimes prevalent at the time. The thread is who is in the best ever not best since 1990.
Exactly
But is a player from the 60s of the same quality as we see now ?
Totally different game and the skill levels now are way way above then
Surely this applies the other way. Could today's bunch of overpaid snowflakes have survived and flourished by having the crap kicked out of them in the way Pele did ? Or are they so skillful now that nobody would have got near them ? As you say it is a totally different game now but you're only looking at it one way.
Exactly, George Best had to put up with being hacked from behind on mud bath pitches, blokes like chopper Harris trying to dismember him, and getting practically no protection from the refs. On todays perfect playing surfaces and with the stricter refereeing he would be in his element.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:31 pm
WestCoastBlue wrote:Very very controversial opinion I’m sure, but I’d replace Pele with...
Ibrahimovic
The bloke is 39 and he’s got 20 goals in 24 matches for Milan in the Serie A this season and last. He’s been playing in the top 6 leagues (Netherlands 6th) for 20 years bar a 2 year stint in America. 818 games, 496 goals.
He’s won the Serie A with 3 different teams
He’s won La Liga
He’s won the Eredivisie
He’s won Ligue 1 4 times
He’s won national cups in 5 countries and, arguably, carried Sweden singlehandedly for over a decade.
The man is a machine and doesn’t look like he’s stopping anytime soon, people said he was too old for United when he signed 4 years ago yet in just 53 games he won the League Cup, Community Shield and Europa League.
Pele played in an age where you’d drink and smoke after playing a match with balls made of concrete on pitches with more stones than grass. Football 60 years ago was a completely different game to now.
Pele also only ever played in Brazil and the USA, Ibrahimovic has proven he can play and score against the worlds best in several leagues.
Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:55 pm
thomasblue wrote:Best I've actually seen in my lifetime
343 formation
Manager - Alex Ferguson
Buffon
Cannavaro
Maldini
Sergio Ramos
Ronaldo
Iniesta
Zidane
Messi
Crespo
Rivaldo
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:26 pm
blue lagoon wrote:Ill start it off
Banks
....... Becken ...... ......
...... ......
Ronaldo Maradona Messi
Pele
Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:03 am
blue lagoon wrote:Best for Ronaldo??
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