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Forever Blue wrote:Cardiff City about 14 years ago spent 3 years giving free tickets to all the ethnic communities and really tried their best, they never really wanted to come along, City promoted it massively and work in the surrounding communities to this day inviting them.
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The local schools use our club free of charge to study / learn and use our computers etc .
Cardiff City FC and our fans are more than welcoming to all people from all backgrounds.
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Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:19 pm
davejohns74 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Cardiff City about 14 years ago spent 3 years giving free tickets to all the ethnic communities and really tried their best, they never really wanted to come along, City promoted it massively and work in the surrounding communities to this day inviting them.
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The local schools use our club free of charge to study / learn and use our computers etc .
Cardiff City FC and our fans are more than welcoming to all people from all backgrounds.
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I do agree obviously that the club and our fan base aren’t racist. I just think it was a bit of a shot in the foot not to engage with a local project designed to try and get more people to come along and support the boys, then made worse by the reasoning that they don’t want to be seen promoting ‘reverse racism’
edit: all it would’ve taken is a tweet or something to raise awareness of the project
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The reason why so few people from ethnic minorities attend football matches is that they are led to believe that they will encounter racism the moment they enter the ground. At most clubs this is clearly not the case, but the media have chosen to follow this false narrative that has been created by the so called anti racists who have done more damage to race relations in this country than Enoch Powell ever did. Until someone in authority is brave enough to call out organisations like Kick it Out who fuel the flames, the nonsense will continue. As most of us actually go to games know, there is very little racism at football matches. How can there be when half your side are black?davejohns74 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Cardiff City about 14 years ago spent 3 years giving free tickets to all the ethnic communities and really tried their best, they never really wanted to come along, City promoted it massively and work in the surrounding communities to this day inviting them.
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The local schools use our club free of charge to study / learn and use our computers etc .
Cardiff City FC and our fans are more than welcoming to all people from all backgrounds.
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I do agree obviously that the club and our fan base aren’t racist. I just think it was a bit of a shot in the foot not to engage with a local project designed to try and get more people to come along and support the boys, then made worse by the reasoning that they don’t want to be seen promoting ‘reverse racism’
edit: all it would’ve taken is a tweet or something to raise awareness of the project
Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:29 pm
davejohns74 wrote:edit: all it would’ve taken is a tweet or something to raise awareness of the project
Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:33 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:Just a minor point, but if we're going to import the term BIPoC from the States wouldn't the 'Indigenous' part of the acronym literally be referring to those of us of Celtic origin, who I'm pretty sure are white, thus making the whole phrase completely redundant?
Also, there is no actual time spent in the article to assess the percentages in detail, other than the sweeping assertion that 70% of the ethnic population of Wales.
Even if we take that at face value, most estimates of the non-white population in Cardiff are around 11%.
Within that what percentage are likely to be City fans? How many are male and how many female as more boys will like football than girls statistically? What age ranges? What financial background? All of these would need to be understood to see if there was actually a case to be made. Having skim-read the article, it seems no such question has been asked.
Another massive factor could also simply be the fact that a huge number of football fans are introduced to their team by their parents - if a first-generation immigrant from Syria arrives as a Liverpool fan and has a kid here, is he likely to want his son to grow up as a Liverpool fan or a Cardiff fan? What are the chances of an immigrant arriving in Cardiff a fully-fledged Bluebird desperate to fulfil his life-long dream of visiting the CCS?
With a kind-hearted focus, these lads are just naive and have never been challenged on why they think their observations are all some massive injustice when it could just as easily be that there just aren't that many ethnic minorities who actually want to be Cardiff fans.
A less benevolent look at it, and reading between the lines and paying attention to some of the language used in the article, they're just another pair of grifters on the grievance studies gravy train.
Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:35 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Cardiff City about 14 years ago spent 3 years giving free tickets to all the ethnic communities and really tried their best, they never really wanted to come along, City promoted it massively and work in the surrounding communities to this day inviting them.
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The local schools use our club free of charge to study / learn and use our computers etc .
Cardiff City FC and our fans are more than welcoming to all people from all backgrounds.
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davejohns74 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Cardiff City about 14 years ago spent 3 years giving free tickets to all the ethnic communities and really tried their best, they never really wanted to come along, City promoted it massively and work in the surrounding communities to this day inviting them.
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The local schools use our club free of charge to study / learn and use our computers etc .
Cardiff City FC and our fans are more than welcoming to all people from all backgrounds.
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I do agree obviously that the club and our fan base aren’t racist. I just think it was a bit of a shot in the foot not to engage with a local project designed to try and get more people to come along and support the boys, then made worse by the reasoning that they don’t want to be seen promoting ‘reverse racism’
edit: all it would’ve taken is a tweet or something to raise awareness of the project
Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:37 pm
castleblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Cardiff City about 14 years ago spent 3 years giving free tickets to all the ethnic communities and really tried their best, they never really wanted to come along, City promoted it massively and work in the surrounding communities to this day inviting them.
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The local schools use our club free of charge to study / learn and use our computers etc .
Cardiff City FC and our fans are more than welcoming to all people from all backgrounds.
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Spot on Annis our club has NEVER been racist and lets remember last season our club won the EFL Community Club of the year award for Wales & South West of England:
[b]South West & Wales – Cardiff City
The judges were impressed with Cardiff City FC Community Foundation’s continued commitment to providing an inclusive environment for participation across all areas of their work. Its work engaging over 23,000 individuals has seen the organisation recognised in the industry, receiving a number of high-profile accolades this year.
[/b]Chosen for the outstanding impact they have on the people within their communities, Cardiff City are one of six regional winners selected for the programmes they deliver in a number of important areas, including diversity and inclusion, education and health and wellbeing.
Plenty to be proud of OUR club in winning this award.
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maccydee wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:Just a minor point, but if we're going to import the term BIPoC from the States wouldn't the 'Indigenous' part of the acronym literally be referring to those of us of Celtic origin, who I'm pretty sure are white, thus making the whole phrase completely redundant?
Also, there is no actual time spent in the article to assess the percentages in detail, other than the sweeping assertion that 70% of the ethnic population of Wales.
Even if we take that at face value, most estimates of the non-white population in Cardiff are around 11%.
Within that what percentage are likely to be City fans? How many are male and how many female as more boys will like football than girls statistically? What age ranges? What financial background? All of these would need to be understood to see if there was actually a case to be made. Having skim-read the article, it seems no such question has been asked.
Another massive factor could also simply be the fact that a huge number of football fans are introduced to their team by their parents - if a first-generation immigrant from Syria arrives as a Liverpool fan and has a kid here, is he likely to want his son to grow up as a Liverpool fan or a Cardiff fan? What are the chances of an immigrant arriving in Cardiff a fully-fledged Bluebird desperate to fulfil his life-long dream of visiting the CCS?
With a kind-hearted focus, these lads are just naive and have never been challenged on why they think their observations are all some massive injustice when it could just as easily be that there just aren't that many ethnic minorities who actually want to be Cardiff fans.
A less benevolent look at it, and reading between the lines and paying attention to some of the language used in the article, they're just another pair of grifters on the grievance studies gravy train.
I’d be very surprised if it’s only 11% of Cardiff’s population that is non-white.
Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:15 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:maccydee wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:Just a minor point, but if we're going to import the term BIPoC from the States wouldn't the 'Indigenous' part of the acronym literally be referring to those of us of Celtic origin, who I'm pretty sure are white, thus making the whole phrase completely redundant?
Also, there is no actual time spent in the article to assess the percentages in detail, other than the sweeping assertion that 70% of the ethnic population of Wales.
Even if we take that at face value, most estimates of the non-white population in Cardiff are around 11%.
Within that what percentage are likely to be City fans? How many are male and how many female as more boys will like football than girls statistically? What age ranges? What financial background? All of these would need to be understood to see if there was actually a case to be made. Having skim-read the article, it seems no such question has been asked.
Another massive factor could also simply be the fact that a huge number of football fans are introduced to their team by their parents - if a first-generation immigrant from Syria arrives as a Liverpool fan and has a kid here, is he likely to want his son to grow up as a Liverpool fan or a Cardiff fan? What are the chances of an immigrant arriving in Cardiff a fully-fledged Bluebird desperate to fulfil his life-long dream of visiting the CCS?
With a kind-hearted focus, these lads are just naive and have never been challenged on why they think their observations are all some massive injustice when it could just as easily be that there just aren't that many ethnic minorities who actually want to be Cardiff fans.
A less benevolent look at it, and reading between the lines and paying attention to some of the language used in the article, they're just another pair of grifters on the grievance studies gravy train.
I’d be very surprised if it’s only 11% of Cardiff’s population that is non-white.
I was fairly sure of that stat, but I just looked into it to double-check...
According to these two sites
https://www.citypopulation.de/php/uk-wa ... =W38000130
https://worldpopulationreview.com/world ... population
who seem to have the same numbers, the breakdown is:
White: 84.7%
Asian: 8%
Black: 2.4%
Arab: 1.4%
Mixed White and Black African/Caribbean: 1.6%
Mixed White and Asian: 0.7%
Mixed-other: 0.6%
Other ethnic groups: 0.6%
So depending on how mixed white is classified it's somewhere between 11 and 15% based on those numbers.
That said...
having just checked Stats Wales and according to their data which was updated September this year, it is 20%
https://www.citypopulation.de/php/uk-wa ... =W38000130
So you're probably right and I was airing on the lower side of the estimates
Not too sure how much difference it makes to the wider point though, I don't think these lads argument has asked the questions I've asked and has leapt to an assumption that the reason there are few ethnic minorities at City games is all down to prejudice.
That said always the first to hold my hand up if I got something wrong
Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:08 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:davejohns74 wrote:edit: all it would’ve taken is a tweet or something to raise awareness of the project
That's a fair point.
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