Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:41 pm
Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:56 am
Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:43 pm
thomasblue wrote:Its ridiculous that anybody from any country is allowed to travel for holidays at the moment . It is the main contributing factor to this second outbreak in my opinion.
Until this is under control it should be essential travel only, probably needed until Easter to make sure every country is clear andnits should be a Europe wide effort.
It is pointless having these restrictions in place if we are going to let people just go abroad and bring it back starting a third wave. All these small holiday islands throughout Europe may get clear quicker due to having smaller populations but they won't stay that way long if they choose money over health
Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:15 pm
skidemin wrote:thomasblue wrote:Its ridiculous that anybody from any country is allowed to travel for holidays at the moment . It is the main contributing factor to this second outbreak in my opinion.
Until this is under control it should be essential travel only, probably needed until Easter to make sure every country is clear andnits should be a Europe wide effort.
It is pointless having these restrictions in place if we are going to let people just go abroad and bring it back starting a third wave. All these small holiday islands throughout Europe may get clear quicker due to having smaller populations but they won't stay that way long if they choose money over health
money over health.....no its corona virus over general health { which includes having money to live }..
Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:41 pm
Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:16 pm
JJ1927 wrote:Like most of the regs- such as no spectators at all at sporting events-they are imposed without any sensible thought.
Statistically if you go to a country with a lower infection rate than us -which is most of the world at the moment- and come back two weeks later, you are less likely to have covid than if you had stayed here!! You are therefore no risk to the UK when you are away and less of a risk when you come back
Whilst i can begin to understand the restriction on holiday travel, what is the logic in having any quarantine on travel to such countries, particularly in respect of business and essential travel?
Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:26 pm
I take your point on holidays particularly as people are likely to be mixing far more but cant see it for other travel apart from the obvious difficulty in deciding what is non holiday travel.thomasblue wrote:JJ1927 wrote:Like most of the regs- such as no spectators at all at sporting events-they are imposed without any sensible thought.
Statistically if you go to a country with a lower infection rate than us -which is most of the world at the moment- and come back two weeks later, you are less likely to have covid than if you had stayed here!! You are therefore no risk to the UK when you are away and less of a risk when you come back
Whilst i can begin to understand the restriction on holiday travel, what is the logic in having any quarantine on travel to such countries, particularly in respect of business and essential travel?
Because these places don't count the holiday makers in figures who have hardly been tested before entering and exiting the destinations. If they allow people to holiday from higher
Infection countries than us and we all mix in the same bars and restaurants it makes no difference if the local population infection rate is low . They are likely to be spreading it to other holiday makers which is very likely to have been one of the reasons for the second wave across europe along with universities which again is down to travel only this time nationally from high risk areas.
Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:42 pm
JJ1927 wrote:I take your point on holidays particularly as people are likely to be mixing far more but cant see it for other travel apart from the obvious difficulty in deciding what is non holiday travel.thomasblue wrote:JJ1927 wrote:Like most of the regs- such as no spectators at all at sporting events-they are imposed without any sensible thought.
Statistically if you go to a country with a lower infection rate than us -which is most of the world at the moment- and come back two weeks later, you are less likely to have covid than if you had stayed here!! You are therefore no risk to the UK when you are away and less of a risk when you come back
Whilst i can begin to understand the restriction on holiday travel, what is the logic in having any quarantine on travel to such countries, particularly in respect of business and essential travel?
Because these places don't count the holiday makers in figures who have hardly been tested before entering and exiting the destinations. If they allow people to holiday from higher
Infection countries than us and we all mix in the same bars and restaurants it makes no difference if the local population infection rate is low . They are likely to be spreading it to other holiday makers which is very likely to have been one of the reasons for the second wave across europe along with universities which again is down to travel only this time nationally from high risk areas.
Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:44 am
Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:01 am
thomasblue wrote:JJ1927 wrote:Like most of the regs- such as no spectators at all at sporting events-they are imposed without any sensible thought.
Statistically if you go to a country with a lower infection rate than us -which is most of the world at the moment- and come back two weeks later, you are less likely to have covid than if you had stayed here!! You are therefore no risk to the UK when you are away and less of a risk when you come back
Whilst i can begin to understand the restriction on holiday travel, what is the logic in having any quarantine on travel to such countries, particularly in respect of business and essential travel?
Because these places don't count the holiday makers in figures who have hardly been tested before entering and exiting the destinations. If they allow people to holiday from higher
Infection countries than us and we all mix in the same bars and restaurants it makes no difference if the local population infection rate is low . They are likely to be spreading it to other holiday makers which is very likely to have been one of the reasons for the second wave across europe along with universities which again is down to travel only this time nationally from high risk areas.
Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:54 am
Forever Blue wrote:thomasblue wrote:JJ1927 wrote:Like most of the regs- such as no spectators at all at sporting events-they are imposed without any sensible thought.
Statistically if you go to a country with a lower infection rate than us -which is most of the world at the moment- and come back two weeks later, you are less likely to have covid than if you had stayed here!! You are therefore no risk to the UK when you are away and less of a risk when you come back
Whilst i can begin to understand the restriction on holiday travel, what is the logic in having any quarantine on travel to such countries, particularly in respect of business and essential travel?
Because these places don't count the holiday makers in figures who have hardly been tested before entering and exiting the destinations. If they allow people to holiday from higher
Infection countries than us and we all mix in the same bars and restaurants it makes no difference if the local population infection rate is low . They are likely to be spreading it to other holiday makers which is very likely to have been one of the reasons for the second wave across europe along with universities which again is down to travel only this time nationally from high risk areas.
UK caused 95% of the spread of the virus themselves due to incompetent leaders and many irresponsible people.
In Saturday in Cardiff, Primark had ques beyond outside all next to each other and jam packed inside.
Plus giving notice they are shutting bars etc down and guess what for 4 nights before bars packed out, I could go and on and this is why the UK is the worst in Europe.
Funny our bars , restaurants and shops are still open but the rate of the virus is not going up here, it’s all about being responsible![]()
Thomas,
Well you count MALLORCA out on your list, as we had virtually zero holiday makers this year and anyone who arrives here is tested through two different machines at different places in the airport and when you leave Bristol to get here you go through the best machines in the world .
But guess what when you arrive in Bristol nothing for arrivals you could not make it up.
Also Thomas, I know two major cases through irresponsible people in Bristol and Bridgend why the virus is spreading fast and this is happening allocators the UK and no one takes responsibility.
Answer this Thomas,
How come over here we have concerts, football , bars open etc etc and the virus is not spreading here with a population of 1.4mill?
I will tell you why it’s people who need to take responsibility for their actions and a good leader .
We’ve learnt from the first virus and our rules have never changed here on the Stei ness of masks, hand wash, rules when you go places and out and they are followed and this is since the 15th March and the rules are still here and respected.
Thomas, Dont forger I have been back many times to the UK this year and I live here and seen it on both sides for myself how the virus has been dealt with.
Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:59 am
Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:16 am
thomasblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:thomasblue wrote:JJ1927 wrote:Like most of the regs- such as no spectators at all at sporting events-they are imposed without any sensible thought.
Statistically if you go to a country with a lower infection rate than us -which is most of the world at the moment- and come back two weeks later, you are less likely to have covid than if you had stayed here!! You are therefore no risk to the UK when you are away and less of a risk when you come back
Whilst i can begin to understand the restriction on holiday travel, what is the logic in having any quarantine on travel to such countries, particularly in respect of business and essential travel?
Because these places don't count the holiday makers in figures who have hardly been tested before entering and exiting the destinations. If they allow people to holiday from higher
Infection countries than us and we all mix in the same bars and restaurants it makes no difference if the local population infection rate is low . They are likely to be spreading it to other holiday makers which is very likely to have been one of the reasons for the second wave across europe along with universities which again is down to travel only this time nationally from high risk areas.
UK caused 95% of the spread of the virus themselves due to incompetent leaders and many irresponsible people.
In Saturday in Cardiff, Primark had ques beyond outside all next to each other and jam packed inside.
Plus giving notice they are shutting bars etc down and guess what for 4 nights before bars packed out, I could go and on and this is why the UK is the worst in Europe.
Funny our bars , restaurants and shops are still open but the rate of the virus is not going up here, it’s all about being responsible![]()
Thomas,
Well you count MALLORCA out on your list, as we had virtually zero holiday makers this year and anyone who arrives here is tested through two different machines at different places in the airport and when you leave Bristol to get here you go through the best machines in the world .
But guess what when you arrive in Bristol nothing for arrivals you could not make it up.
Also Thomas, I know two major cases through irresponsible people in Bristol and Bridgend why the virus is spreading fast and this is happening allocators the UK and no one takes responsibility.
Answer this Thomas,
How come over here we have concerts, football , bars open etc etc and the virus is not spreading here with a population of 1.4mill?
I will tell you why it’s people who need to take responsibility for their actions and a good leader .
We’ve learnt from the first virus and our rules have never changed here on the Stei ness of masks, hand wash, rules when you go places and out and they are followed and this is since the 15th March and the rules are still here and respected.
Thomas, Dont forger I have been back many times to the UK this year and I live here and seen it on both sides for myself how the virus has been dealt with.
You live on a tiny island where it is much easier to control this virus
Spain has the worst infection rate in Europe. If they are so good at controlling this why have they had 1.5 million confirmed cases and only just behind on deaths because they stopped reporting them for 2 months ?
Mallorca has done well and should be open as they are but you cannot deny that the spread was through holiday makers and movement of people.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Study.html
This strain is call 20a.eu1 and it originated in Spain
Can you back up the british are 95% to blame claim with any facts or is that your opinion ?
Most of Spain are on lockdown
They had 1600 deaths in a single day last week which is way higher than the UK
They have over 20,000 people in hospital compared to the uk's 11,000.
They only last week changed the way they count deaths back to like they did before May and figures rocketed. How many actual deaths have they missed in the months they were not counting properly?
I would feel safer in the UK personally.
This wasn't about Spain anyway it was about holidays across europe
Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:50 pm
thomasblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:thomasblue wrote:JJ1927 wrote:Like most of the regs- such as no spectators at all at sporting events-they are imposed without any sensible thought.
Statistically if you go to a country with a lower infection rate than us -which is most of the world at the moment- and come back two weeks later, you are less likely to have covid than if you had stayed here!! You are therefore no risk to the UK when you are away and less of a risk when you come back
Whilst i can begin to understand the restriction on holiday travel, what is the logic in having any quarantine on travel to such countries, particularly in respect of business and essential travel?
Because these places don't count the holiday makers in figures who have hardly been tested before entering and exiting the destinations. If they allow people to holiday from higher
Infection countries than us and we all mix in the same bars and restaurants it makes no difference if the local population infection rate is low . They are likely to be spreading it to other holiday makers which is very likely to have been one of the reasons for the second wave across europe along with universities which again is down to travel only this time nationally from high risk areas.
UK caused 95% of the spread of the virus themselves due to incompetent leaders and many irresponsible people.
In Saturday in Cardiff, Primark had ques beyond outside all next to each other and jam packed inside.
Plus giving notice they are shutting bars etc down and guess what for 4 nights before bars packed out, I could go and on and this is why the UK is the worst in Europe.
Funny our bars , restaurants and shops are still open but the rate of the virus is not going up here, it’s all about being responsible![]()
Thomas,
Well you count MALLORCA out on your list, as we had virtually zero holiday makers this year and anyone who arrives here is tested through two different machines at different places in the airport and when you leave Bristol to get here you go through the best machines in the world .
But guess what when you arrive in Bristol nothing for arrivals you could not make it up.
Also Thomas, I know two major cases through irresponsible people in Bristol and Bridgend why the virus is spreading fast and this is happening allocators the UK and no one takes responsibility.
Answer this Thomas,
How come over here we have concerts, football , bars open etc etc and the virus is not spreading here with a population of 1.4mill?
I will tell you why it’s people who need to take responsibility for their actions and a good leader .
We’ve learnt from the first virus and our rules have never changed here on the Stei ness of masks, hand wash, rules when you go places and out and they are followed and this is since the 15th March and the rules are still here and respected.
Thomas, Dont forger I have been back many times to the UK this year and I live here and seen it on both sides for myself how the virus has been dealt with.
You live on a tiny island where it is much easier to control this virus
Spain has the worst infection rate in Europe. If they are so good at controlling this why have they had 1.5 million confirmed cases and only just behind on deaths because they stopped reporting them for 2 months ?
Mallorca has done well and should be open as they are but you cannot deny that the spread was through holiday makers and movement of people.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Study.html
This strain is call 20a.eu1 and it originated in Spain
Can you back up the british are 95% to blame claim with any facts or is that your opinion ?
Most of Spain are on lockdown
They had 1600 deaths in a single day last week which is way higher than the UK
They have over 20,000 people in hospital compared to the uk's 11,000.
They only last week changed the way they count deaths back to like they did before May and figures rocketed. How many actual deaths have they missed in the months they were not counting properly?
I would feel safer in the UK personally.
This wasn't about Spain anyway it was about holidays across europe
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:56 am
Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:39 pm
Isawgarystevensscoreagoal wrote:What happened on November 4th Annis? I guess some form of catch up for earlier statistics but Google not telling me. Any idea?
Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:46 pm
Isawgarystevensscoreagoal wrote:It's not where you've been, it's what you've done when you've been there.