Need some proper rules re vaccine

There are plenty who ain’t gonna have it no matter what. That, of course is their choice. But if you refuse a vaccination.

If they are drinkers, smokers, they take drugs, pain killers f**k even vape they are already filling themselves with shite.

Those people need to remain under lockdown until herd immunity is achieved. Literally a vaccinated person should be their guard.

The world has changed. We need to recover.

Personally I disagree that they should have to remain under lockdown. If they choose not to take the vaccine that’s their choice and they’re entitled to make it. But the freedom of choice doesn’t mean a freedom from consequences, if a business owner decides only vaccinated people are allowed in then people shouldn’t kick up a fuss. Likewise if the NHS say treatment will be administered to those who are vaccinated but the vaccine didn’t take (I think the error margin was ~10%? Someone correct me if I’m wrong) before the people who refused the vaccine they should also be willing to accept that consequence.

To clarify I can’t see the NHS going to such extremes but pubs, cafes, sporting events, music events etc I can see that happening. I also think that’s fair enough as some business owners might think the risk is worth it whereas some may think otherwise.

There are plenty who ain’t gonna have it no matter what. That, of course is their choice. But if you refuse a vaccination.

If they are drinkers, smokers, they take drugs, pain killers f**k even vape they are already filling themselves with shite.

Those people need to remain under lockdown until herd immunity is achieved. Literally a vaccinated person should be their guard.

The world has changed. We need to recover.

the world hasnt changed a great deal... we have another virus that is killing less than 1 in a thousand people..
the world has had viruses worse than this before and will again.. god forbid a worse one in my lifetime , proper cant handle this unreasonable stuff..
as for all this authoritarian milarky ... waw..
whats changed is people who somehow think life has guarantees..

It’s people’s choice whether they have the vaccine BUT - it should be a reasonable excuse. For example for health reasons if you have the vaccine it will likely cause a lot more harm than if you were to get the flu. Catching the flu in itself can be dangerous. I had flu last Xmas and could have died I was in hospital and very ill. It took me weeks and weeks to get over it. My mother, sister and father had the flu jab but because I was already unwell I decided not to have it for the first time in years. I’ve had the jab many a time and never had any reaction to it. I literally went to 2 places being careful and guess what I caught it! I of course gave it to my parents and sister for whom I was staying with. My sister and mother had a extremely mild version of it and were better in a day and my father was abit unwell for a few days longer in bed. That said they had a hell of a lot less version than me and we believe it is because they were vaccinated it prevented them having the full brunt of it. I believe if my father hadn’t been vaccinated he could well have died at 83 or ended up in hospital very ill. So to me personally vaccinations are life saving and not only that can prevent the number of infections in the community therefore keeping numbers down.

Going back to reasonable excuses if someone has misinformation about vaccinations than it could be they just need educating. There seems to be so much misinformation out there about lots of things. I don’t know how many people have said to me I don’t want the vaccine because I could get the flu or Covid or whatever it is - you cannot get the virus from the vaccine as it is synthetic and not containing the live virus. Sometimes you can be a little under the weather for a couple of days but not enough to stop you from working etc and it’s a lot better than having the real virus. It’s very possible that phobias as a result of inaccurate information could result in many not taking it up. There will be people out there who are conspiracy theorists who think they are giving us something untoward and they will not take the vaccine. Whatever a persons reason for not taking the vaccine I believe they should access all the Information they need first before making a decision - from health care professionals that is and not from some fake news they’ve read or speaking to joe blogs down the road.

If you are worried about having a vaccine speak to a healthcare professional for advice. Don’t forget they have trailed this vaccine in thousands of people. For me personally I will be having the vaccine without a doubt.

When you balance up the pros and cons I personally would take the vaccine every single time to protect myself and others around me. To get life back to normal.

What's the difference here between taking vaccine and following the "rules" for the last seven months?

Plenty have followed rules but would not chose to take vaccine. Plenty of others have blatantly disregarded rules but it's all OK if they have vaccination?

I would have forgotten about fines months ago and anyone who breaches covid law, maybe for second time, loses their right to NHS treatment and is last in line for vaccine whether they want it or not.

Nothing wrong with taking a vaccine as long as it is tested over a period of time like the flu vaccine has been, and that it actually works and has no long term health problems. This vaccine has only been tested over a very short time, so no one knows if there will be side effects that will not show up for years. Personally if the vaccine turns out to work with no side effects then I would definitely have it, but there is no way that I would have it if it was released tomorrow, I would need convincing over a long period of time, maybe years, that it would not be detrimental to my health.

There are plenty who ain’t gonna have it no matter what. That, of course is their choice. But if you refuse a vaccination.

If they are drinkers, smokers, they take drugs, pain killers f**k even vape they are already filling themselves with shite.

Those people need to remain under lockdown until herd immunity is achieved. Literally a vaccinated person should be their guard.

The world has changed. We need to recover.

Yes and the scariest thing of all is that the general public like yourself accepting promoting imprisoning citizens because they disagree with the government. This mentality is now deeply embedded in peoples minds. That's scary!

There are plenty who ain’t gonna have it no matter what. That, of course is their choice. But if you refuse a vaccination.

If they are drinkers, smokers, they take drugs, pain killers f**k even vape they are already filling themselves with shite.

Those people need to remain under lockdown until herd immunity is achieved. Literally a vaccinated person should be their guard.

The world has changed. We need to recover.

A bit extreme but to protect the worlds health systems, I could understand why governments may need vaccination/immunity passports in high-risk areas like planes, pubs, gyms, places indoors with poor ventilation. The non-vaccinated community would eventually catch the virus but it would slow the pace of spread and allow the health systems to cope. They need to cope and not be overrun with covid so that normal services such as heart operations and cancer treatment can continue at full pace without restrictions.

Nothing wrong with taking a vaccine as long as it is tested over a period of time like the flu vaccine has been, and that it actually works and has no long term health problems. This vaccine has only been tested over a very short time, so no one knows if there will be side effects that will not show up for years. Personally if the vaccine turns out to work with no side effects then I would definitely have it, but there is no way that I would have it if it was released tomorrow, I would need convincing over a long period of time, maybe years, that it would not be detrimental to my health.

Fair enough but if 50% of people take that view, things can't get back to normal, the health service would still be stretched, and more people will die from covid and non-covid related illnesses such as cancer because the NHS would not have the full capacity while dealing with the non vaccinated community still catching and spreading covid.

There will be thousands who refuse to take any vaccine that’s the nature of the times we live in.

Education will be the primary directive on encouraging those people.

There will be added incentives applied to help that ie; refusal of airlines/countries to admit people without being vaccinated.

People applying for jobs wouldn’t get the job without proving they had been vaccinated.

Can’t see the NHS refusing treatment to someone who hadn’t been vaccinated however who knows as they certainly wouldn’t want them in hospital spreading it again or dealing with them in icu because they thought they knew better.

Before anyone refuses any vaccine they would have to way up the hurdles they could face by not having it?

The following people don't get the vaccine, even if they want it:-

1. People who think the virus is a hoax
2. People who think the lockdowns were unnecessary
3. people who blatantly ignored lockdown rules
4. People who don't think this virus is different to any other pandemic.

There are plenty who ain’t gonna have it no matter what. That, of course is their choice. But if you refuse a vaccination.

If they are drinkers, smokers, they take drugs, pain killers f**k even vape they are already filling themselves with shite.

Those people need to remain under lockdown until herd immunity is achieved. Literally a vaccinated person should be their guard.

The world has changed. We need to recover.

Yes and the scariest thing of all is that the general public like yourself accepting promoting imprisoning citizens because they disagree with the government. This mentality is now deeply embedded in peoples minds. That's scary!

its really concerning, and shocking..not the virus or the vaccine but how bonkers some people are... .its been obvious that a quick fix experimental corners cut vaccine with claims of an insanely high success rate has been the only way out for months though..as a large proportion have been terrified and aint budging from that stance. how well it works really dont much matter... economy first deal with any side effects later... in that im a massive fan....just not going to be part of the trials..

The following people don't get the vaccine, even if they want it:-

1. People who think the virus is a hoax
2. People who think the lockdowns were unnecessary
3. people who blatantly ignored lockdown rules
4. People who don't think this virus is different to any other pandemic.

You can't ban all thickos we need more than 70% uptake

The following people don't get the vaccine, even if they want it:-

1. People who think the virus is a hoax
2. People who think the lockdowns were unnecessary
3. people who blatantly ignored lockdown rules
4. People who don't think this virus is different to any other pandemic.

You can't ban all thickos we need more than 70% uptake

tbh mate i doubt anyone in cats 1,2 and 4 would be remotely interested in trialing any substances... and im not to sure too many would pass a polygraph to qualify for cat 3... been lots of do what i say not as i do going on...mostly small breaches but breaches never the less...
and yes of course...thickos, blogs, fake news, conspiracy theories... keep saying them as its a good way of self justifying that what your preaching makes sense when it really does not....and...deep down.. you know it...
there is ZERO chance they would be pumping this corners cut vaccine or any other stuff out without the fearfactor and it being the only out ..bit shocked the claim stopped at 90%.

The following people don't get the vaccine, even if they want it:-

1. People who think the virus is a hoax
2. People who think the lockdowns were unnecessary
3. people who blatantly ignored lockdown rules
4. People who don't think this virus is different to any other pandemic.

So basically,anyone that thinks differently or for themselves?? So by your way of thinking,there will be many hundreds of thousands that will be excluded,just because of their thoughts/actions?

The following people don't get the vaccine, even if they want it:-

1. People who think the virus is a hoax
2. People who think the lockdowns were unnecessary
3. people who blatantly ignored lockdown rules
4. People who don't think this virus is different to any other pandemic.

There was a document signed by over 7,000 scientists opposing the lockdown. But obv you're very well informed by the news so no need to pay any attention there I guess!

The following people don't get the vaccine, even if they want it:-

1. People who think the virus is a hoax
2. People who think the lockdowns were unnecessary
3. people who blatantly ignored lockdown rules
4. People who don't think this virus is different to any other pandemic.

There was a document signed by over 7,000 scientists opposing the lockdown. But obv you're very well informed by the news so no need to pay any attention there I guess!

That document is no way reliable unfortunately. It was an open document where anyone could sign, for example some of the names included Mickey Mouse, Cominic Dummings, Doctor Who, etc. Some people from this forum even signed it when it first got brought up in a thread.

Although I disagree with the person you’re responding to, if someone wants the vaccine they should have access to it I think.

The following people don't get the vaccine, even if they want it:-

1. People who think the virus is a hoax
2. People who think the lockdowns were unnecessary
3. people who blatantly ignored lockdown rules
4. People who don't think this virus is different to any other pandemic.

You can't ban all thickos we need more than 70% uptake

tbh mate i doubt anyone in cats 1,2 and 4 would be remotely interested in trialing any substances... and im not to sure too many would pass a polygraph to qualify for cat 3... been lots of do what i say not as i do going on...mostly small breaches but breaches never the less...
and yes of course...thickos, blogs, fake news, conspiracy theories... keep saying them as its a good way of self justifying that what your preaching makes sense when it really does not....and...deep down.. you know it...
there is ZERO chance they would be pumping this corners cut vaccine or any other stuff out without the fearfactor and it being the only out ..bit shocked the claim stopped at 90%.

It was a joke, I didn't agree with the firebreak or the 2nd lockdown in England, although strong measure was needed in covid hotspots like Merthyr and Oldham.

Mr Johnson would be happy to receive a coronavirus vaccine, Number 10 has said.

On a visit to a Tesco distribution centre in south-east London on Wednesday, Mr Johnson said the prospect of a vaccine and the ramping up of testing were "two big boxing gloves" to "pummel" the virus with, but said: "Neither of them is capable of delivering a knock-out blow on its own.

"That's why this country needs to continue to work hard to keep discipline and to observe the measures we've put in."