More to this Hughes Appointment than meets the eye??

If indeed the appointment of Hughes has had the affect of moving Steve Morison sideways, downwards or out of the door, ( I may be way off the mark here) could it have been done behind Harris back, as Harris was clearly pleased to appoint a close former colleague to the ranks.

If this is the case, and it was a move sanctioned by anyone other than Harris, it certainly undermines his authority and position. My question is, is it intended to undermine his authority with a view to him losing allies, and ultimately forcing a resignation?

Resign, no compo to pay...?

Not in the know, just a wild guess, but if Morison's position is under threat, Harris wouldnt be happy at all.


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If indeed the appointment of Hughes has had the affect of moving Steve Morison sideways, downwards or out of the door, ( I may be way off the mark here) could it have been done behind Harris back, as Harris was clearly pleased to appoint a close former colleague to the ranks.

If this is the case, and it was a move sanctioned by anyone other than Harris, it certainly undermines his authority and position. My question is, is it intended to undermine his authority with a view to him losing allies, and ultimately forcing a resignation?

Resign, no compo to pay...?

Not in the know, just a wild guess, but if Morison's position is under threat, Harris wouldnt be happy at all.


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For me Jonny, this is more than interesting and could be undermining Neil Harris as Steve Morrison was Harris choice as head coach of the U23’s and yes they’ve had awful results this year, but Morrison and Harris were suppose to be the dream team if you read their comments in February.

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I don’t understand the change, unless they are trying to push Harris out without having to pay him off?
Be interesting to read Neil Harris comments on it all?

If indeed the appointment of Hughes has had the affect of moving Steve Morison sideways, downwards or out of the door, ( I may be way off the mark here) could it have been done behind Harris back, as Harris was clearly pleased to appoint a close former colleague to the ranks.

If this is the case, and it was a move sanctioned by anyone other than Harris, it certainly undermines his authority and position. My question is, is it intended to undermine his authority with a view to him losing allies, and ultimately forcing a resignation?

Resign, no compo to pay...?

Not in the know, just a wild guess, but if Morison's position is under threat, Harris wouldnt be happy at all.


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isnt this a different job ?
more chiefs than indians...

Many businesses operate in a manner with a view to forcing a resignation.

Not saying that's the case here at all, but the thought does cross my mind. Harris might be fully behind the appointment, but I would find that strange.

Many businesses operate in a manner with a view to forcing a resignation.

Not saying that's the case here at all, but the thought does cross my mind. Harris might be fully behind the appointment, but I would find that strange.

i thought Morrison was appointed purely as under 23s manager..
Hughes has been appointed in a role encompassing the whole of the academy..
i thought that was James McCarthys job....

If indeed the appointment of Hughes has had the affect of moving Steve Morison sideways, downwards or out of the door, ( I may be way off the mark here) could it have been done behind Harris back, as Harris was clearly pleased to appoint a close former colleague to the ranks.

If this is the case, and it was a move sanctioned by anyone other than Harris, it certainly undermines his authority and position. My question is, is it intended to undermine his authority with a view to him losing allies, and ultimately forcing a resignation?

Resign, no compo to pay...?

Not in the know, just a wild guess, but if Morison's position is under threat, Harris wouldnt be happy at all.


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isnt this a different job ?
more chiefs than indians...

Way to Many Chief’s



Official

Club Appointment | David Hughes

Cardiff City FC is very pleased to announce the appointment of former Bluebirds defender David Hughes as Academy Head of Coaching From U9 to U23'S.



CARDIFF CITY FC.


David’s remit at Cardiff City FC will be to oversee our entire Academy coaching department, lead on coach and player development across all age groups from U9 to U23 and work with first team staff to ensure a smooth transition for players through the Academy and into the first team environment.


(Steve Morrison was appointed head coach of the Cardiff City U23’s in February 2020 by first team Manager Neil Harris.
Morrison was reunited with Cardiff manager Neil Harris - who he played under at Millwall - and hoped to follow his former boss into senior management, they called it the dream team to join up together at Cardiff City.)

Fair enough... so then it's a promotion for McCarthy as they were pictured together for the club statement?

Fair enough... so then it's a promotion for McCarthy as they were pictured together for the club statement?

But why say Hughes is overseeing U23’s?

Surely that is undermining Steve Morrison?

Fair enough... so then it's a promotion for McCarthy as they were pictured together for the club statement?

But why say Hughes is overseeing U23’s?

Surely that is undermining Steve Morrison?

i dont know mate but some of these jobs certainly seem to overlap each other...

Indeed, fans can't get their head around it, I wonder if Harris can?

It's an important appointment, because it brings through the future of the club. Surely Harris should/could/would have commented?

If indeed the appointment of Hughes has had the affect of moving Steve Morison sideways, downwards or out of the door, ( I may be way off the mark here) could it have been done behind Harris back, as Harris was clearly pleased to appoint a close former colleague to the ranks.

If this is the case, and it was a move sanctioned by anyone other than Harris, it certainly undermines his authority and position. My question is, is it intended to undermine his authority with a view to him losing allies, and ultimately forcing a resignation?

Resign, no compo to pay...?

Not in the know, just a wild guess, but if Morison's position is under threat, Harris wouldnt be happy at all.


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For me Jonny, this is more than interesting and could be undermining Neil Harris as Steve Morrison was Harris choice as head coach of the U23’s and yes they’ve had awful results this year, but Morrison and Harris were suppose to be the dream team if you read their comments in February.

https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopi ... 2&t=218416

I don’t understand the change, unless they are trying to push Harris out without having to pay him off?
Be interesting to read Neil Harris comments on it all?

i dont think this will make Harris resign.But if he was to go for some reason and his team left with him then the develoment side of things could carry on.
this appointment covers u9 to u23 so whoever does it will need to take a over view of a lot of things.Our club desperately needs to produce home grown players.its an area that has been neglected or failed one way or other to such an extent that we have lost a generation of talent.I welcome this appointment and look no further than the fact it was needed to shake the system by its roots.This is a top priority imo and I hope the board realise it.

If indeed the appointment of Hughes has had the affect of moving Steve Morison sideways, downwards or out of the door, ( I may be way off the mark here) could it have been done behind Harris back, as Harris was clearly pleased to appoint a close former colleague to the ranks.

If this is the case, and it was a move sanctioned by anyone other than Harris, it certainly undermines his authority and position. My question is, is it intended to undermine his authority with a view to him losing allies, and ultimately forcing a resignation?

Resign, no compo to pay...?

Not in the know, just a wild guess, but if Morison's position is under threat, Harris wouldnt be happy at all.


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For me Jonny, this is more than interesting and could be undermining Neil Harris as Steve Morrison was Harris choice as head coach of the U23’s and yes they’ve had awful results this year, but Morrison and Harris were suppose to be the dream team if you read their comments in February.

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I don’t understand the change, unless they are trying to push Harris out without having to pay him off?
Be interesting to read Neil Harris comments on it all?

i dont think this will make Harris resign.But if he was to go for some reason and his team left with him then the develoment side of things could carry on.
this appointment covers u9 to u23 so whoever does it will need to take a over view of a lot of things.Our club desperately needs to produce home grown players.its an area that has been neglected or failed one way or other to such an extent that we have lost a generation of talent.I welcome this appointment and look no further than the fact it was needed to shake the system by its roots.This is a top priority imo and I hope the board realise it.

Every time we hear the same an over all etc etc

Of course it’s a priority but when does it stop with people in and out.

Every time they say it’s a new beginning for them all.

But we go on and on with new appointments, clear outs.


How about stability after over 11yrs of doing this time and time again.

Appoint Bellamy as first team manager and give him the remit to oversee who looks after the academy.

Simples.

If indeed the appointment of Hughes has had the affect of moving Steve Morison sideways, downwards or out of the door, ( I may be way off the mark here) could it have been done behind Harris back, as Harris was clearly pleased to appoint a close former colleague to the ranks.

If this is the case, and it was a move sanctioned by anyone other than Harris, it certainly undermines his authority and position. My question is, is it intended to undermine his authority with a view to him losing allies, and ultimately forcing a resignation?

Resign, no compo to pay...?

Not in the know, just a wild guess, but if Morison's position is under threat, Harris wouldnt be happy at all.


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For me Jonny, this is more than interesting and could be undermining Neil Harris as Steve Morrison was Harris choice as head coach of the U23’s and yes they’ve had awful results this year, but Morrison and Harris were suppose to be the dream team if you read their comments in February.

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I don’t understand the change, unless they are trying to push Harris out without having to pay him off?
Be interesting to read Neil Harris comments on it all?

i dont think this will make Harris resign.But if he was to go for some reason and his team left with him then the develoment side of things could carry on.
this appointment covers u9 to u23 so whoever does it will need to take a over view of a lot of things.Our club desperately needs to produce home grown players.its an area that has been neglected or failed one way or other to such an extent that we have lost a generation of talent.I welcome this appointment and look no further than the fact it was needed to shake the system by its roots.This is a top priority imo and I hope the board realise it.

Every time we hear the same an over all etc etc

Of course it’s a priority but when does it stop with people in and out.

Every time they say it’s a new beginning for them all.

But we go on and on with new appointments, clear outs.


How about stability after over 11yrs of doing this time and time again.

yes , its a revamp every year.. lots of bigging people up and then next year more new recruits more bigging up and a new plan... how about sacking whoever appointed the failures ?

Indeed, fans can't get their head around it, I wonder if Harris can?

It's an important appointment, because it brings through the future of the club. Surely Harris should/could/would have commented?

Its quite easy really!morrison is still coach of u 23's,hughes has been appointed to oversee academy from age 9 to u23's,soobviosly he couldn't be coach of u23's,otherwise he wouldnt be able to oversee all the other age groups as well,hes not here to coach,but to make sure all is in good order right through the age groups! There is nothing yo read into imho.harris has stated,he wants the younsters training,and being around the 1st team a lot more,which is progress in itself as far as instilling whats needed to make it,for any youngster who has the talent,and drive/ambition to make the grade.

Indeed, fans can't get their head around it, I wonder if Harris can?

It's an important appointment, because it brings through the future of the club. Surely Harris should/could/would have commented?

Its quite easy really!morrison is still coach of u 23's,hughes has been appointed to oversee academy from age 9 to u23's,soobviosly he couldn't be coach of u23's,otherwise he wouldnt be able to oversee all the other age groups as well,hes not here to coach,but to make sure all is in good order right through the age groups! There is nothing yo read into imho.harris has stated,he wants the younsters training,and being around the 1st team a lot more,which is progress in itself as far as instilling whats needed to make it,for any youngster who has the talent,and drive/ambition to make the grade.

so...who was previously doing this job....

Indeed, fans can't get their head around it, I wonder if Harris can?

It's an important appointment, because it brings through the future of the club. Surely Harris should/could/would have commented?

Its quite easy really!morrison is still coach of u 23's,hughes has been appointed to oversee academy from age 9 to u23's,soobviosly he couldn't be coach of u23's,otherwise he wouldnt be able to oversee all the other age groups as well,hes not here to coach,but to make sure all is in good order right through the age groups! There is nothing yo read into imho.harris has stated,he wants the younsters training,and being around the 1st team a lot more,which is progress in itself as far as instilling whats needed to make it,for any youngster who has the talent,and drive/ambition to make the grade.

so...who was previously doing this job....

?? But that's not what the topics about, i think people are looking for something that isnt there! Dont remember this amount of scrutiny regarding the youth when neil warnock was here? And we still didnt have any success with bringing the kids through to 1st team.hughes has been given remit of overseeing the processes,if he has replaced someone(not sure who,or if he has)maybe it was needed.

If indeed the appointment of Hughes has had the affect of moving Steve Morison sideways, downwards or out of the door, ( I may be way off the mark here) could it have been done behind Harris back, as Harris was clearly pleased to appoint a close former colleague to the ranks.

If this is the case, and it was a move sanctioned by anyone other than Harris, it certainly undermines his authority and position. My question is, is it intended to undermine his authority with a view to him losing allies, and ultimately forcing a resignation?

Resign, no compo to pay...?

Not in the know, just a wild guess, but if Morison's position is under threat, Harris wouldnt be happy at all.


https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopi ... 2&t=218416

For me Jonny, this is more than interesting and could be undermining Neil Harris as Steve Morrison was Harris choice as head coach of the U23’s and yes they’ve had awful results this year, but Morrison and Harris were suppose to be the dream team if you read their comments in February.

https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopi ... 2&t=218416

I don’t understand the change, unless they are trying to push Harris out without having to pay him off?
Be interesting to read Neil Harris comments on it all?

andy legg was the manager of the under 23s until he lost his job in February to Steve Morrison so if results have been awfull what where results like when Andy legg was manger and if results have been awfull under Morrison and why hasnt it improved

Indeed, fans can't get their head around it, I wonder if Harris can?

It's an important appointment, because it brings through the future of the club. Surely Harris should/could/would have commented?

Its quite easy really!morrison is still coach of u 23's,hughes has been appointed to oversee academy from age 9 to u23's,soobviosly he couldn't be coach of u23's,otherwise he wouldnt be able to oversee all the other age groups as well,hes not here to coach,but to make sure all is in good order right through the age groups! There is nothing yo read into imho.harris has stated,he wants the younsters training,and being around the 1st team a lot more,which is progress in itself as far as instilling whats needed to make it,for any youngster who has the talent,and drive/ambition to make the grade.

so...who was previously doing this job....

?? But that's not what the topics about, i think people are looking for something that isnt there! Dont remember this amount of scrutiny regarding the youth when neil warnock was here? And we still didnt have any success with bringing the kids through to 1st team.hughes has been given remit of overseeing the processes,if he has replaced someone(not sure who,or if he has)maybe it was needed.

so..you dont know but thought youd get a mandatory neil warnock mention in { and yes it was, more in fact } .

If indeed the appointment of Hughes has had the affect of moving Steve Morison sideways, downwards or out of the door, ( I may be way off the mark here) could it have been done behind Harris back, as Harris was clearly pleased to appoint a close former colleague to the ranks.

If this is the case, and it was a move sanctioned by anyone other than Harris, it certainly undermines his authority and position. My question is, is it intended to undermine his authority with a view to him losing allies, and ultimately forcing a resignation?

Resign, no compo to pay...?

Not in the know, just a wild guess, but if Morison's position is under threat, Harris wouldnt be happy at all.


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For me Jonny, this is more than interesting and could be undermining Neil Harris as Steve Morrison was Harris choice as head coach of the U23’s and yes they’ve had awful results this year, but Morrison and Harris were suppose to be the dream team if you read their comments in February.

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I don’t understand the change, unless they are trying to push Harris out without having to pay him off?
Be interesting to read Neil Harris comments on it all?

i dont think this will make Harris resign.But if he was to go for some reason and his team left with him then the develoment side of things could carry on.
this appointment covers u9 to u23 so whoever does it will need to take a over view of a lot of things.Our club desperately needs to produce home grown players.its an area that has been neglected or failed one way or other to such an extent that we have lost a generation of talent.I welcome this appointment and look no further than the fact it was needed to shake the system by its roots.This is a top priority imo and I hope the board realise it.

Terry, you sound like Vince Alm?

Way over protective and acting like you know

I am also fed up of always hearing a new management with our youngsters

The guy has been involved with Watford and villa as well as the Welsh setup. Maybe this appointment is a move by the club to try sort out our failing youth setup??? We all know how bad its been. To fix it the club do need to bring additional experienced people in.

Indeed, fans can't get their head around it, I wonder if Harris can?

It's an important appointment, because it brings through the future of the club. Surely Harris should/could/would have commented?

Its quite easy really!morrison is still coach of u 23's,hughes has been appointed to oversee academy from age 9 to u23's,soobviosly he couldn't be coach of u23's,otherwise he wouldnt be able to oversee all the other age groups as well,hes not here to coach,but to make sure all is in good order right through the age groups! There is nothing yo read into imho.harris has stated,he wants the younsters training,and being around the 1st team a lot more,which is progress in itself as far as instilling whats needed to make it,for any youngster who has the talent,and drive/ambition to make the grade.

so...who was previously doing this job....

?? But that's not what the topics about, i think people are looking for something that isnt there! Dont remember this amount of scrutiny regarding the youth when neil warnock was here? And we still didnt have any success with bringing the kids through to 1st team.hughes has been given remit of overseeing the processes,if he has replaced someone(not sure who,or if he has)maybe it was needed.

so..you dont know but thought youd get a mandatory neil warnock mention in { and yes it was, more in fact } .

As a fact then,any manager of the last 10 years,I metioned warnock as he was manager,if you choose ymto see it as a "mandatory " mention,yourchoice! I have praised him in the past so dont make out I hate him,as I have posted before,he is one of the best we have had!so do you know who hughes has replaced then,if indeed he has replaced anyone?? As I have said,as far as I am concerned there is ,"nothing to see here"

I think its simply an over arching role of all levels up to and including U23 , he won't be a coach of all those sides each level will have its own man in charge . Morrison may now report to him though.

The guy has been involved with Watford and villa as well as the Welsh setup. Maybe this appointment is a move by the club to try sort out our failing youth setup??? We all know how bad its been. To fix it the club do need to bring additional experienced people in.

You wouldnt think so!people seem to be looking for any scab to pick with the set up of our club! The lack of ANY player to break through(until bagan) shows something isnt working,whatever that may be,as the saying goes,if it aint broke,then dont "fix" it.
Well unless we are all blind,something is "broke" with the lack of youngsters coming through,so it needs "fixing"

If indeed the appointment of Hughes has had the affect of moving Steve Morison sideways, downwards or out of the door, ( I may be way off the mark here) could it have been done behind Harris back, as Harris was clearly pleased to appoint a close former colleague to the ranks.

If this is the case, and it was a move sanctioned by anyone other than Harris, it certainly undermines his authority and position. My question is, is it intended to undermine his authority with a view to him losing allies, and ultimately forcing a resignation?

Resign, no compo to pay...?

Not in the know, just a wild guess, but if Morison's position is under threat, Harris wouldnt be happy at all.


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Well its nice to be compared to Vince.All i know is our friends down the road are constantly producing their own players and that goes back to the days of the Allchurch brothers decades ago while we fall short of the mark.Like a lot of others i was involved in youth football and i know the talent is out there I dont care who does it but we need to improve big time.
We seem to bring kids on for years but then just when they should be getting a chance in the senior team they are loaned out to some obscure side never to be seen again.



For me Jonny, this is more than interesting and could be undermining Neil Harris as Steve Morrison was Harris choice as head coach of the U23’s and yes they’ve had awful results this year, but Morrison and Harris were suppose to be the dream team if you read their comments in February.

https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopi ... 2&t=218416

I don’t understand the change, unless they are trying to push Harris out without having to pay him off?
Be interesting to read Neil Harris comments on it all?

i dont think this will make Harris resign.But if he was to go for some reason and his team left with him then the develoment side of things could carry on.
this appointment covers u9 to u23 so whoever does it will need to take a over view of a lot of things.Our club desperately needs to produce home grown players.its an area that has been neglected or failed one way or other to such an extent that we have lost a generation of talent.I welcome this appointment and look no further than the fact it was needed to shake the system by its roots.This is a top priority imo and I hope the board realise it.

Terry, you sound like Vince Alm?

Way over protective and acting like you know

I am also fed up of always hearing a new management with our youngsters

The guy has been involved with Watford and villa as well as the Welsh setup. Maybe this appointment is a move by the club to try sort out our failing youth setup??? We all know how bad its been. To fix it the club do need to bring additional experienced people in.

You wouldnt think so!people seem to be looking for any scab to pick with the set up of our club! The lack of ANY player to break through(until bagan) shows something isnt working,whatever that may be,as the saying goes,if it aint broke,then dont "fix" it.
Well unless we are all blind,something is "broke" with the lack of youngsters coming through,so it needs "fixing"

The guy has been involved with Watford and villa as well as the Welsh setup. Maybe this appointment is a move by the club to try sort out our failing youth setup??? We all know how bad its been. To fix it the club do need to bring additional experienced people in.

You wouldnt think so!people seem to be looking for any scab to pick with the set up of our club! The lack of ANY player to break through(until bagan) shows something isnt working,whatever that may be,as the saying goes,if it aint broke,then dont "fix" it.
Well unless we are all blind,something is "broke" with the lack of youngsters coming through,so it needs "fixing"

It does seem that way sometimes. An experienced coach is hired to help with the academy and his appointment was made to undermine the manager to make him resign so we don't have to pay him off. Bizarre.

The academy has been shite for years despite several revamps. This could be another failed attempt or it could be a step in the right direction to a better run academy. Only time will tell but change/experience is clearly needed in the academy to get the players through.