I disagree with Neil Harris:

Neil Harris brings up again that the team is missing the fans , I agree to that, but not that it would change Harris home results that much.

We thrashed Barnsley last week because for the first time this season Harris went out all attack and played like a home side should.

Most of the time, we play defensively at home and make the usual costly errors.



My point is Harris last week blamed us failing lately due to the the play offs 4 months ago , now it’s not having crowds , but his record proves they never really changed much under Harris.


But of course having our fans at home should make a massive difference and has done for our previous managers



THE FACTS ARE THERE.

When Neil Harris had home crowds under Neil Harris:

PLAYED 10.

Won 1

Drawn 7

Lost 2







After the Bristol City home defeat on Friday night.

NEIL HARRIS:


"Let's be honest, I won't beat around the bush, we've missed the fans at home," Harris said.

"When it's not going great for you at home, when games are tight, when the opponent and the referee are just managing the game like Bristol did tonight and Reading did before, Middlesbrough, the way they slowed the game down, you need the passionate fan base here to galvanise and get on the referee.”

"We are missing them but that's not why we've not won the game tonight, that's because we were not clinical enough."

“We could of one some of those draws with our fans behind us and yes we want them back as soon as possible.”

“Look, every team is lifted by its fans, but Cardiff's are especially vociferous. Home and away, so we would of had a few more wins behind us.”

When there are 20,000-plus inside and Cardiff City Stadium is in full voice, it is positively rocking and the players openly admit the atmosphere lifts them.







Just one win at home this season is not enough and I am in no doubt that the City fans being present would have changed that record.

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3 months at Cardiff City Stadium with crowds under Neil Harris before stadiums had no crowds.


PLAYED 10.

Won 1

Drawn 7

Lost 2




Sat 21st Dec Cardiff City 0 Preston North End 0 Crowd 22,625 Away Support ( 515 )



Thu 26th Dec 3pm Cardiff City 1 Millwall 1 Crowd 23,583 Away Support (478 )





Saturday January 4th 3pm FACUP 3rd Cardiff City 2 Carlisle United 2 Crowd 5,282 Away Support ( 719)


Sunday 12pm 12th Jan Cardiff City 0 Swansea City 0 Live Sky Crowd Away 28,528 Support (2,018 )



Tues 28th Jan Cardiff City 2 WBA 1 Crowd 22,517 Away Support (1,038 )



Friday 31st Jan Cardiff City 1 Reading 1



Tuesday 2nd Feb Cardiff City 3 Reading 3 Cardiff lost 4-3 on penalties FA CUP





Sat 15th Feb Cardiff City 2 Wigan Athletic 2



Tue 25th Feb Cardiff City 0 Nottingham Forest 1


Sat 29th Feb Cardiff City 2 Brentford 2

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I think the fans may well show their discontent if they were there.

I think the fans may well show their discontent if they were there.

100% they would Andrew, our home form is nothing but a disgrace .

Wont beat about the bush..haven't missed turning up to the games this season.

Reply FB:

Peter Edwards:

Harris clutching at straws.

sorry...but he won 3 and drew 1 of his first 4 games...2 of those wins were at home..
after that he won 1 in 8 pre lockdown..

for a total of 3 wins in 10 gam,es with fans
4 wins in 11 without fans...
we have also played a play off semni and 2 fa cup games here without winning so his over all home wins is 7 wins in 24....

sorry...but he won 3 and drew 1 of his first 4 games...2 of those wins were at home..
after that he won 1 in 8 pre lockdown..

for a total of 3 wins in 10 gam,es with fans
4 wins in 11 without fans...
we have also played a play off semni and 2 fa cup games here without winning so his over all home wins is 7 wins in 24....

I just took his last 10 home games with crowds and for me that’s not good enough.


PLAYED 10.

Won 1

Drawn 7

Lost 2

sorry...but he won 3 and drew 1 of his first 4 games...2 of those wins were at home..
after that he won 1 in 8 pre lockdown..

for a total of 3 wins in 10 gam,es with fans
4 wins in 11 without fans...
we have also played a play off semni and 2 fa cup games here without winning so his over all home wins is 7 wins in 24....

I just took his last 10 home games with crowds and for me that’s not good enough.


PLAYED 10.

Won 1

Drawn 7

Lost 2

you included the FA cup games
no its nowhere near good enough mate....
how i see it...ghas had 2 extremely good bursts ...........a new manager bounce 4 games...10 points..the form of champions...
a nine game nothing to lose re start 9 games 19 points again the form of champions....
and the other...28 games mediocre at best..

Reply on Twitter:

@phiillip

Changed a winning formation Moore kept looking to the bench could see his frustration

sorry...but he won 3 and drew 1 of his first 4 games...2 of those wins were at home..
after that he won 1 in 8 pre lockdown..

for a total of 3 wins in 10 gam,es with fans
4 wins in 11 without fans...
we have also played a play off semni and 2 fa cup games here without winning so his over all home wins is 7 wins in 24....

I just took his last 10 home games with crowds and for me that’s not good enough.


PLAYED 10.

Won 1

Drawn 7

Lost 2

you included the FA cup games
no its nowhere near good enough mate....
how i see it...ghas had 2 extremely good bursts ...........a new manager bounce 4 games...10 points..the form of champions...
a nine game nothing to lose re start 9 games 19 points again the form of champions....
and the other...28 games mediocre at best..

Agreed

My point was Harris last week blamed us failing lately due to the play offs 4 months ago , now it’s not having crowds , but his record proves they never really changed much under Harris.

Reply FB:

Jeff Potter:

Sounds like a man that's under pressure and throws out a flimsy excuse tbh, yes we give the team a lift but if the formation or tactics stay the same in the games we have not been there we still have the same results in my mind.

Wont beat about the bush..haven't missed turning up to the games this season.

Funnily enough I said the same last night mate.

Harris keeps coming up with excuses but it's the results that count at the end of the day and we are a very inconsistent team at the moment.

To be fair to Moore and Glatzel though the service to them has been appalling especially from crosses and dead ball situations.

Harris is under huge pressure now to turn this around asap or I can see him sacked within the next 3 games.

If that happens I'd live to see Eddie Howe appointed but the board will probably have other ideas.

Harris keeps coming up with excuses but it's the results that count at the end of the day and we are a very inconsistent team at the moment.

To be fair to Moore and Glatzel though the service to them has been appalling especially from crosses and dead ball situations.

Harris is under huge pressure now to turn this around asap or I can see him sacked within the next 3 games.

If that happens I'd live to see Eddie Howe appointed but the board will probably have other ideas.

The two big strikers is so outdated.I would have thought playing Wilson in the number 10 role and Murphy coming on as sub would have been the first choice.Baglan should have played.Allowing Bacuna to push forward from midfield.Where the hell is Benkovic,what a pointless signing .
On paper it's not a bad squad.Trouble is we play on grass not paper.

Harris keeps coming up with excuses but it's the results that count at the end of the day and we are a very inconsistent team at the moment.

To be fair to Moore and Glatzel though the service to them has been appalling especially from crosses and dead ball situations.

Harris is under huge pressure now to turn this around asap or I can see him sacked within the next 3 games.

If that happens I'd live to see Eddie Howe appointed but the board will probably have other ideas.

The two big strikers is so outdated.I would have thought playing Wilson in the number 10 role and Murphy coming on as sub would have been the first choice.Baglan should have played.Allowing Bacuna to push forward from midfield.Where the hell is Benkovic,what a pointless signing .
On paper it's not a bad squad.Trouble is we play on grass not paper.

Agree about the 2 bug strikers being outdated but that's the only option we have up top at the moment.

We needed a partnership like bothroyd and Chopra or Thorne and ernie, a tall striker who can hold the ball up or win flick ons etc and someone small with pace to run onto them but we havent got that option

Can't help think a certain Neil Warnock would have played the team missing the fans card well before now.

Can't help think a certain Neil Warnock would have played the team missing the fans card well before now.

yes he says it all the time....

Can't help think a certain Neil Warnock would have played the team missing the fans card well before now.

yes he says it all the time....

All managers deflect the blame away from them. Let's not pretend warnock would do any different. He used to blame everyone and their dog before saying something was down to him.

Can't help think a certain Neil Warnock would have played the team missing the fans card well before now.

yes he says it all the time....

All managers deflect the blame away from them. Let's not pretend warnock would do any different. He used to blame everyone and their dog before saying something was down to him.

where is the pretending ? he thinks...wtf has warnock got to do with it ?

Can't help think a certain Neil Warnock would have played the team missing the fans card well before now.

yes he says it all the time....

All managers deflect the blame away from them. Let's not pretend warnock would do any different. He used to blame everyone and their dog before saying something was down to him.

where is the pretending ? he thinks...wtf has warnock got to do with it ?

I didn't bring him up im just adding to the thread - which is about one of Harris's excuses why we arnt doing as well as we should. Id imagine the comment about warnock was saying that if he was here in this position he would probably have said the same thing.

I think the fans may well show their discontent if they were there.

100% they would Andrew, our home form is nothing but a disgrace .

The only positive from this continued sporting lockdown is that we don't have to travel, fight for parking, pay OTT prices for average food and beverages, watch a drab Harris-inspired game in cold (often) wet conditions and then fight our way out to go home...

But in all seriousness (apparently I have to let people know in advance I'm talking tongue-in-cheek these days) it could be argued that his 'style' is not any worse than our previous manager; but then again, it could be argued that our previous manager got the results that placated the majority of supporters and actual 'performances' were often overlooked

Not anti-Harris; but he does need to start delivering and he does need to stop passing the buck all the time

Yes, Warnocks tenure was painful even during promotion, apart from when we had Victor Camarasa, Gunnarson, Arter. Nothings changed because it’s the same players in midfield, and the two hoof ball specialists at the back. Pack has been a big disappointment really.

Yes, Warnocks tenure was painful even during promotion, apart from when we had Victor Camarasa, Gunnarson, Arter. Nothings changed because it’s the same players in midfield, and the two hoof ball specialists at the back. Pack has been a big disappointment really.

I agree on Pack: he's been largely disappointing after a very promising start to his Bluebird career

I think the fans may well show their discontent if they were there.

100% they would Andrew, our home form is nothing but a disgrace .

The only positive from this continued sporting lockdown is that we don't have to travel, fight for parking, pay OTT prices for average food and beverages, watch a drab Harris-inspired game in cold (often) wet conditions and then fight our way out to go home...

But in all seriousness (apparently I have to let people know in advance I'm talking tongue-in-cheek these days) it could be argued that his 'style' is not any worse than our previous manager; but then again, it could be argued that our previous manager got the results that placated the majority of supporters and actual 'performances' were often overlooked

Not anti-Harris; but he does need to start delivering and he does need to stop passing the buck all the time

A bad performance will always be forgotten about with a victory. Who doesn't like winning. But when the football is poor to watch and the results not much better it doesn't take long for people to lose patience. Warnocks promotion season wasnt pretty but it was very effective and we were top 4 all season so who cared. This season reminds me of the start we had last season though - dire football, bad results, Derby loses and excuses from the manager. I think Harris is 1-2 games away from a similar outcome to warnock.

Yes, Warnocks tenure was painful even during promotion, apart from when we had Victor Camarasa, Gunnarson, Arter. Nothings changed because it’s the same players in midfield, and the two hoof ball specialists at the back. Pack has been a big disappointment really.

I agree on Pack: he's been largely disappointing after a very promising start to his Bluebird career

I think pack needs more creative players in front of him who make better attacking runs to be more effective. Ralls, bacuna and vaulks are too similar and are there to break up play rather than create.

Yes, Warnocks tenure was painful even during promotion, apart from when we had Victor Camarasa, Gunnarson, Arter. Nothings changed because it’s the same players in midfield, and the two hoof ball specialists at the back. Pack has been a big disappointment really.

I agree on Pack: he's been largely disappointing after a very promising start to his Bluebird career

I think pack needs more creative players in front of him who make better attacking runs to be more effective. Ralls, bacuna and vaulks are too similar and are there to break up play rather than create.

You could put Mane, Sterling and Salah in Packs team and he still would not be good enough. He would still go sideways and backwards after too many slow touches and the runners would be fed up of Pack taking forever to decide what to do.

Yes, Warnocks tenure was painful even during promotion, apart from when we had Victor Camarasa, Gunnarson, Arter. Nothings changed because it’s the same players in midfield, and the two hoof ball specialists at the back. Pack has been a big disappointment really.

I agree on Pack: he's been largely disappointing after a very promising start to his Bluebird career

I think pack needs more creative players in front of him who make better attacking runs to be more effective. Ralls, bacuna and vaulks are too similar and are there to break up play rather than create.

You could put Mane, Sterling and Salah in Packs team and he still would not be good enough. He would still go sideways and backwards after too many slow touches and the runners would be fed up of Pack taking forever to decide what to do.

Or does he go sideways and backwards because there is nothing in front of him? I'm not a huge fan of pack, he sits too deep and his pace causes us problems. But I do think the players in front of him don't help his game.

Yes, Warnocks tenure was painful even during promotion, apart from when we had Victor Camarasa, Gunnarson, Arter. Nothings changed because it’s the same players in midfield, and the two hoof ball specialists at the back. Pack has been a big disappointment really.

I agree on Pack: he's been largely disappointing after a very promising start to his Bluebird career

I think pack needs more creative players in front of him who make better attacking runs to be more effective. Ralls, bacuna and vaulks are too similar and are there to break up play rather than create.

You could put Mane, Sterling and Salah in Packs team and he still would not be good enough. He would still go sideways and backwards after too many slow touches and the runners would be fed up of Pack taking forever to decide what to do.

Or does he go sideways and backwards because there is nothing in front of him? I'm not a huge fan of pack, he sits too deep and his pace causes us problems. But I do think the players in front of him don't help his game.

Pack is obviously playing as directed as he keeps his place presently. He leaves us a man light in midfield when he plays deep as he does. And he is just so slow with and without the ball.