VAR SCRAP IT?

Does Var need to be scrapped! Bamford for Leeds had goal disallowed by var because he stretched hand out to point where wanted ball var called it offside because his hand was offside..you can clearly see feet not offside or his body just a hand!! Truly awful decision and var official was a referee I believe..

Does Var need to be scrapped! Bamford for Leeds had goal disallowed by var because he stretched hand out to point where wanted ball var called it offside because his hand was offside..you can clearly see feet not offside or his body just a hand!! Truly awful decision and var official was a referee I believe..

Football is better with human error! Var has been a failure imho,that disallowed bamford goal takes the p!ss.shocking!!!

Does Var need to be scrapped! Bamford for Leeds had goal disallowed by var because he stretched hand out to point where wanted ball var called it offside because his hand was offside..you can clearly see feet not offside or his body just a hand!! Truly awful decision and var official was a referee I believe..

Football is better with human error! Var has been a failure imho,that disallowed bamford goal takes the p!ss.shocking!!!

Even before they put lines up you could see he was onside except for he stretched hand out to signal where wanted ball? You cannot score with hand so how can you give offside?

Pathetic decision, how is any ref disallowing that? So now you can't wave an arm in case your fingernail is offside.

Does Var need to be scrapped! Bamford for Leeds had goal disallowed by var because he stretched hand out to point where wanted ball var called it offside because his hand was offside..you can clearly see feet not offside or his body just a hand!! Truly awful decision and var official was a referee I believe..

A shocking decision; particularly as the offending part to be deemed offside must be one with which you could reasonably score a goal and the hand wasn't one of those last time I looked (Argentina apart, of course)

Does Var need to be scrapped! Bamford for Leeds had goal disallowed by var because he stretched hand out to point where wanted ball var called it offside because his hand was offside..you can clearly see feet not offside or his body just a hand!! Truly awful decision and var official was a referee I believe..

A shocking decision; particularly as the offending part to be deemed offside must be one with which you could reasonably score a goal and the hand wasn't one of those last time I looked (Argentina apart, of course)

Of course master riley or whoever controls var will say his hand is clearly offside or the lines they use gives different angle one which we wont be able to see bit like earlier in season when lines they showed on tv showed onside but the ones var used showed differently... they supposed to have decided a protocol for offside they've obviously forgotten to tell var or referees

Yes,get rid,it's a ridiculous tool and not used consistently or correctly.

Yes,get rid,it's a ridiculous tool and not used consistently or correctly.

Love for riley or whoever to come on tv and explain how a hand can be given offside? Much rather our incompetent referees in championship than an incompetent official who cannot see something using a still photo not that you needed anything to see that he was never offside it was that clear.

Does Var need to be scrapped! Bamford for Leeds had goal disallowed by var because he stretched hand out to point where wanted ball var called it offside because his hand was offside..you can clearly see feet not offside or his body just a hand!! Truly awful decision and var official was a referee I believe..

Football is better with human error! Var has been a failure imho,that disallowed bamford goal takes the p!ss.shocking!!!

it comes down to human opinion with or without VAR.. the clear and obvious sounded good...a deliberate hand ball , 2 yards off side,,a terrible tackle...that the ref has missed...but its never been that from day 1... they can not resist trying to micro manage games...clear and obvious is watching a game thinking jesus how isnt that handball, a pen etc... rewind and yes its obvious... not this 5 minutes studying 10 camera angles only to get the ref to decide on a monitor....crap....

Does Var need to be scrapped! Bamford for Leeds had goal disallowed by var because he stretched hand out to point where wanted ball var called it offside because his hand was offside..you can clearly see feet not offside or his body just a hand!! Truly awful decision and var official was a referee I believe..

Football is better with human error! Var has been a failure imho,that disallowed bamford goal takes the p!ss.shocking!!!

it comes down to human opinion with or without VAR.. the clear and obvious sounded good...a deliberate hand ball , 2 yards off side,,a terrible tackle...that the ref has missed...but its never been that from day 1... they can not resist trying to micro manage games...clear and obvious is watching a game thinking jesus how isnt that handball, a pen etc... rewind and yes its obvious... not this 5 minutes studying 10 camera angles only to get the ref to decide on a monitor....crap....

If you saw original incident at time like me you can see hes onside from still picture taken at distance....... how does var make that offside when like you say got ten camera angles to look at..... before you had on field officials having an opinion on making a decision now you got an extra official with technology using his opinion on incident and he makes the balls up of all balls up and that cannot be good for game surely..

Does Var need to be scrapped! Bamford for Leeds had goal disallowed by var because he stretched hand out to point where wanted ball var called it offside because his hand was offside..you can clearly see feet not offside or his body just a hand!! Truly awful decision and var official was a referee I believe..

A shocking decision; particularly as the offending part to be deemed offside must be one with which you could reasonably score a goal and the hand wasn't one of those last time I looked (Argentina apart, of course)[/quote

Or scotland for that matter sven.

Make your own minds up - Patrick Bamford: Did Leeds United striker have goal ruled out for pointing?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54855596

It's a crock of shit. Farcical use of technology at the top end making the game wholly unrepresentative of the game played every where else.
Imagine some of the calls in the play ground with kids copying their heroes.

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It's a crock of shit. Farcical use of technology at the top end making the game wholly unrepresentative of the game played every where else.
Imagine some of the calls in the play ground with kids copying their heroes.

As you can see hes onside even without the lines you can see it! I've heared them say technically its offside as his arm is in offside position? NUTS decision... and another thing var does is get refs to go over to monitor when a feather touches a player in box and every time ref gives pen like tonight in Fulham game... contact does not mean foul in football but var is making it so! ref was 5yards away and doesn't point to spot yet 2mins later he is after watching super slow motion and still frame of incident .. var is producing cheats and its wrong and ruining game

It’s unfortunate that the people running VAR have never played football themselves.

Mike Riley for one never played the game so how can he have any idea of it. It’s just a position for him which earns him good money and lacking any common sense makes it worse.

The majority of the referees are similar have not played the game it’s just a job to them.

Until you have officials who have played the game it won’t change, we had bad decisions before VAR and they continue because the same people hold the same positions. Until they see that it won’t change.

It’s unfortunate that the people running VAR have never played football themselves.

Mike Riley for one never played the game so how can he have any idea of it. It’s just a position for him which earns him good money and lacking any common sense makes it worse.

The majority of the referees are similar have not played the game it’s just a job to them.

Until you have officials who have played the game it won’t change, we had bad decisions before VAR and they continue because the same people hold the same positions. Until they see that it won’t change.

The official today doing var at leeds game was Mike dean a premier league referee!! I thought they stopped the nonsense of armpit offside but apparently no ones told the referees? Technically its offside but but only when you use the dots to calibrated where each players body part is which gave the judgement that his hand was in offside position..... clearly that will be the official response and officials will blame the laws of game for var making this decision. Var needs to go as it clearly is not fit for purpose no matter how hard they try to make it work they cannot distinguish between offside or handball when it comes to var... whatever happened to law that stating must be standing in offside position to be offside? Because with naked eye you can see he was standing behind defence onside.

Does Var need to be scrapped! Bamford for Leeds had goal disallowed by var because he stretched hand out to point where wanted ball var called it offside because his hand was offside..you can clearly see feet not offside or his body just a hand!! Truly awful decision and var official was a referee I believe..

Football is better with human error! Var has been a failure imho,that disallowed bamford goal takes the p!ss.shocking!!!

Totally agree 62er.
Trouble is that managers and pundits spent forever pinpointing the errors that referees made for every match and they were the ones calling out for video referees. Now they don’t like it.

Does Var need to be scrapped! Bamford for Leeds had goal disallowed by var because he stretched hand out to point where wanted ball var called it offside because his hand was offside..you can clearly see feet not offside or his body just a hand!! Truly awful decision and var official was a referee I believe..

Football is better with human error! Var has been a failure imho,that disallowed bamford goal takes the p!ss.shocking!!!

Totally agree 62er.
Trouble is that managers and pundits spent forever pinpointing the errors that referees made for every match and they were the ones calling out for video referees. Now they don’t like it.

Now they got two people to criticise var and ref! But seriously they've forgotten the laws on offside in favour of being blinded by science and technology! West ham goal ball played to forward who was offside he made movement for ball and defender heads ball straight to wham player who scores! Var say was 2nd faze of play yet rules say offside if you attempt to get ball when in offside position obviously if he doesn't go to ball defender doesn't need to go to ball that's interfering with play same as standing in front goalie offside..... well they use to be the rules before VAR?

Does Var need to be scrapped! Bamford for Leeds had goal disallowed by var because he stretched hand out to point where wanted ball var called it offside because his hand was offside..you can clearly see feet not offside or his body just a hand!! Truly awful decision and var official was a referee I believe..

Football is better with human error! Var has been a failure imho,that disallowed bamford goal takes the p!ss.shocking!!!

Totally agree 62er.
Trouble is that managers and pundits spent forever pinpointing the errors that referees made for every match and they were the ones calling out for video referees. Now they don’t like it.

Now they got two people to criticise var and ref! But seriously they've forgotten the laws on offside in favour of being blinded by science and technology! West ham goal ball played to forward who was offside he made movement for ball and defender heads ball straight to wham player who scores! Var say was 2nd faze of play yet rules say offside if you attempt to get ball when in offside position obviously if he doesn't go to ball defender doesn't need to go to ball that's interfering with play same as standing in front goalie offside..... well they use to be the rules before VAR?

I agree that they’ve gone from one extreme to the other

Does Var need to be scrapped! Bamford for Leeds had goal disallowed by var because he stretched hand out to point where wanted ball var called it offside because his hand was offside..you can clearly see feet not offside or his body just a hand!! Truly awful decision and var official was a referee I believe..

Football is better with human error! Var has been a failure imho,that disallowed bamford goal takes the p!ss.shocking!!!

Totally agree 62er.
Trouble is that managers and pundits spent forever pinpointing the errors that referees made for every match and they were the ones calling out for video referees. Now they don’t like it.

Now they got two people to criticise var and ref! But seriously they've forgotten the laws on offside in favour of being blinded by science and technology! West ham goal ball played to forward who was offside he made movement for ball and defender heads ball straight to wham player who scores! Var say was 2nd faze of play yet rules say offside if you attempt to get ball when in offside position obviously if he doesn't go to ball defender doesn't need to go to ball that's interfering with play same as standing in front goalie offside..... well they use to be the rules before VAR?

I agree that they’ve gone from one extreme to the other

It's not even extreme changes its as if re written the laws without telling anyone..... before var it was standing in offside position now its if a part of you is offside! They even linked changed in handball rule to bamford goal because his arm from elbow down was in offside position hes offside because thats handball rule now need for who ever in charge of referees to come on tv and explain why pointing finger warrants being offside when hes clearly standing onside but he wont due to being to embarrassed by decision...

It Carries on!! wolves player less than 6ft away from winger he runs across to cover the player blasts ball towards him and hits arm ! Var tells ref take look but once does that its academic as ref as always given pen in that situation this season...... got situation now that onside can be offside.... natural arm position is not natural .... and you are not allowed to touch a player in area with leg otherwise opponent dives and gets pen through var..... VAR as rewritten the laws of football by default

Another pen for man c identical to wolves one....and like said earlier once ref goes to monitor they automatically give pen for handball ludicrous situation and decision making, only thing for defenders can do is use straitjacket so arms dont move when running! .

I really want it to stay as it is...obviously tweak the handball rule a bit but otherwise its all good. If you asked me if it should be in our league in the EFL Championship then I would simplu say no because there would be riots from every club due to being the wrong side of the VAR calls. Cardiff were the team who got cheated and robbed out of the Premier League and every other fan from other teams saw it so they had to bring in VAR because they cant rely on the referees calls or lack of calls during matches.

I really want it to stay as it is...obviously tweak the handball rule a bit but otherwise its all good. If you asked me if it should be in our league in the EFL Championship then I would simplu say no because there would be riots from every club due to being the wrong side of the VAR calls. Cardiff were the team who got cheated and robbed out of the Premier League and every other fan from other teams saw it so they had to bring in VAR because they cant rely on the referees calls or lack of calls during matches.

They've tweaked handball rule but you tell me it's made any difference ? They say in unnatural position mmmm what was unnatural about both handball today? They even used the handball rule of below sleeve level to justify giving offside yesterday against bamford even though supposed to have stopped armpit offside! As for city Chelsea game that was once in a lifetime event of lino being idiotic and hiding behind a player so his mother couldn't see him!
What is certain cannot see championship wanting VAR sure prefer one idiot making decisions and not two..

I've always said scrap it.

Whereas we have been on the wrong end of some absolute howlers, human error has always been part of the game. Going away from the game cussing and hating the ref, isn't a good feeling but in a weird sort of way, is part of the football fans life.

All this because of a fear of litigation from the bigger clubs if decisions don't go their way in the cups or mean promotion or relegation don't go their way.

I've always said scrap it.

Whereas we have been on the wrong end of some absolute howlers, human error has always been part of the game. Going away from the game cussing and hating the ref, isn't a good feeling but in a weird sort of way, is part of the football fans life.

All this because of a fear of litigation from the bigger clubs if decisions don't go their way in the cups or mean promotion or relegation don't go their way.

All decisions by officials always been subjective now with var its still same but got multi camera angles still pics and slow motion to distort that objectivity! Like fouls in box tackling in box us not illegal but now if a player is touched with feather he falls over so var takes look stops pic at point of contact and decides it's a foul? because player as fallen over var says he must been fouled like Salah or kane who deliberately looked at defender sees he is going to collide so he stops and var says pen yet if kane challenges defender
he doesnt get fouled this happened numerous other times this season.. simply put players have found way to con officials at var ....next will be players deliberately kicking ball at defenders hand for penalty... And they call it clever play but i call it cheating.

I really want it to stay as it is...obviously tweak the handball rule a bit but otherwise its all good. If you asked me if it should be in our league in the EFL Championship then I would simplu say no because there would be riots from every club due to being the wrong side of the VAR calls. Cardiff were the team who got cheated and robbed out of the Premier League and every other fan from other teams saw it so they had to bring in VAR because they cant rely on the referees calls or lack of calls during matches.

so you like VAR just dont want it in our games....

I've said it before and I'll say it again, VAR is not the problem. It was last season, but it isn't this season.

Last season some of the decisions contradicted the rules.

The issue this season is the new rules around offside and handball. VAR can't be blamed for that, they are just following these ridiculous rules.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, VAR is not the problem. It was last season, but it isn't this season.

Last season some of the decisions contradicted the rules.

The issue this season is the new rules around offside and handball. VAR can't be blamed for that, they are just following these ridiculous rules.

But they tweaked the rules from last season to stop being offside by armpit and handball when arm in natural position and where on arm constitutes hand ball ? This wkend saw bamford standing clearly onside but because he pointed they used the new rule of below sleeve line as being offside... then saw two cases of players arms being in natural positions but ref on revue says its handball .. all incidents originally not given .. so var is the problem because it uses still pics and slow motion to determine if offence committed ? Can you honest say var did not cause refs to overturn decisions they originally made? Plus out of all the refs who went pitch side this season only once did ref keep original decision ... obviously like bamford incident it was a clear and obvious mistake made by officials the criteria supposed to be for var overturning decisions! And now what is becoming clear is players are using var to gain penalties because they know var will freeze picture at impact point and
that will be sufficient for ref to award pen foul or not.... ffs football is a contact sport and not all contact in area are fouls are they? o

Does Var need to be scrapped! Bamford for Leeds had goal disallowed by var because he stretched hand out to point where wanted ball var called it offside because his hand was offside..you can clearly see feet not offside or his body just a hand!! Truly awful decision and var official was a referee I believe..

Yes Al - It was a ref