OT: 'THE DONALD' EDGES TOWARDS THE DOOR

As the final (mainly postal) votes are counted in the US Elections, it is becoming increasingly clear that 'The Donald' is about to suffer the ignominy of being labelled a 'One-time President' as incumbent Joe Biden closes in on the required 270 Electoral College Votes to become the new POTUS

Democratic challenger Joe Biden says it is clear he is winning enough states to take the US presidency, despite key results still outstanding and the projection figures appear to be supporting that.

"When the count is finished we believe we will be the winners," he said in a brief speech, just before projections showed him winning Michigan

The final result will come down to key, undeclared battleground states: Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania

Mr Trump is so far projected to win 23 states, including Texas, Ohio and Florida, having outperformed pollsters' predictions

Already, the president alleges fraud, without offering evidence, and says he will launch a Supreme Court challenge and the Trump campaign has launched legal bids to stop the counts in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia and Michigan

Mr Biden's campaign calls President's Trump statement "outrageous", adding: "The counting will not stop"

The US is on course for its highest turnout in more than a century, and it's possible there might not have a confirmed result for days

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Watching with interest as this unfolds and it seems 'The Donald' is already preparing his challenges to the oddest of democratic systems that only four short years ago shot him to the presidency

Joe Biden seems to have this in the bag (at point of writing) and to say 'The Donald' is a sore loser is a bit of an understatement in the politest of terms

It seems legal challenges are already going ion to the Supreme Court (6 Republicans to 3 Democrat thanks to the president's manoeuvring), so it's not beyond that he may gain something to soothe his damaged ego, if not the White House itself

The real Republicans appear to be distancing themselves quickly and feel he should step down with grace

Not going to happen, is it?

In many ways, I'll miss 'The Donald' for his entertainment value alone. It's certainly been entertaining watching the him at work and listening to his crazy (and oft repeated) rhetoric

However, when the serious stuff needed to be done, he wasn't quite up to the mark as a politician and delivered little that the seeds of which weren't put in place (ironically) by the man he replaced in 2016

How a system allows a person with little or no political background to get the top job (possibly in the world) is baffling to me and four years of 'The Donald' should have taught the citizens of the US a lesson; but despite all the problems he has caused, it seems not and far from being battered, he actually increased his overall vote in what has become the biggest turnout in US history

Like him or loathe him, he's certainly left his mark in US and world history

Good or bad will depend on individual points of view...

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Wtf are we doing up at this hour!! I dont even do politics,but wifes been poorly today,so she has the full bed!!sounds similiar to what glatzel was suffering with, hmmmmmm lol.trump said a while back,he wouldn't leave the white house even if he lost! Biden responded with,there are many ways to remove somebody from there! Looks like its going to get dirty,at least covid gets a rest.

Wtf are we doing up at this hour!! I dont even do politics,but wifes been poorly today,so she has the full bed!!sounds similiar to what glatzel was suffering with, hmmmmmm lol.trump said a while back,he wouldn't leave the white house even if he lost! Biden responded with,there are many ways to remove somebody from there! Looks like its going to get dirty,at least covid gets a rest.

Sorry to hear about your wife, Paul. I hope it's not too bad and she's bad to bend your ear soon!

I'm a bit of an insomniac after working shifts for so many years and even though I'm on regular (albeit long) days now, I don't seem to be able to get it out of my system completely

Tonight I've spent time sorting a few things out (mainly photos) and watching the developments, as I enjoy the politics but don't affiliate to one particular party; preferring to rate the individual rather than the badge

Regarding Trump, I can't see him going quietly. The man is a narcissist and will feel very let down by the very people he has hoodwinked for the last four years, particularly over Covid-19 in recent months; something I believe has cost him dear in the voting stakes this time around. Some will point to an increase in his personal vote but that is tempered by a record turnout, which will also see Biden gain a record number of votes, too

'The Donald' is certainly an enigma. I spend a fair bit of time over there and it's easiest just not to offer an opinion such is the polar divide on him. Love him or hate him, there is no middle ground and the strongest disdain seems to come from his own back garden of New York City, where he is not popular at all

Going to get bitter when the magic number (270) is reached by Biden, who will be able to claim victory sometime this morning before the lawyers get to work for the Republicans (ahem, 'The Donald')

I thought I was bad you pair of sad “O”s ha ha

Let’s not beat about the bush the man is an idiot

Some of the things he says and does defy belief. The fact that after 4 years of his complete nonsense he is still in with a chance of being re-elected says a lot for the kind of world we live at the moment

As the final (mainly postal) votes are counted in the US Elections, it is becoming increasingly clear that 'The Donald' is about to suffer the ignominy of being labelled a 'One-time President' as incumbent Joe Biden closes in on the required 270 Electoral College Votes to become the new POTUS

Democratic challenger Joe Biden says it is clear he is winning enough states to take the US presidency, despite key results still outstanding and the projection figures appear to be supporting that.

"When the count is finished we believe we will be the winners," he said in a brief speech, just before projections showed him winning Michigan

The final result will come down to key, undeclared battleground states: Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania

Mr Trump is so far projected to win 23 states, including Texas, Ohio and Florida, having outperformed pollsters' predictions

Already, the president alleges fraud, without offering evidence, and says he will launch a Supreme Court challenge and the Trump campaign has launched legal bids to stop the counts in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia and Michigan

Mr Biden's campaign calls President's Trump statement "outrageous", adding: "The counting will not stop"

The US is on course for its highest turnout in more than a century, and it's possible there might not have a confirmed result for days

Yes it is all over we have now 4-5 years of corrupt democratic neo liberal establishment sprinkled with a few insane progressive insanity politics with a lot more poverty and strife thrown in.

look forward to more war more division and a worse trump for 2024 ?????

As the final (mainly postal) votes are counted in the US Elections, it is becoming increasingly clear that 'The Donald' is about to suffer the ignominy of being labelled a 'One-time President' as incumbent Joe Biden closes in on the required 270 Electoral College Votes to become the new POTUS

Democratic challenger Joe Biden says it is clear he is winning enough states to take the US presidency, despite key results still outstanding and the projection figures appear to be supporting that.

"When the count is finished we believe we will be the winners," he said in a brief speech, just before projections showed him winning Michigan

The final result will come down to key, undeclared battleground states: Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania

Mr Trump is so far projected to win 23 states, including Texas, Ohio and Florida, having outperformed pollsters' predictions

Already, the president alleges fraud, without offering evidence, and says he will launch a Supreme Court challenge and the Trump campaign has launched legal bids to stop the counts in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia and Michigan

Mr Biden's campaign calls President's Trump statement "outrageous", adding: "The counting will not stop"

The US is on course for its highest turnout in more than a century, and it's possible there might not have a confirmed result for days

Yes it is all over we have now 4-5 years of corrupt democratic neo liberal establishment sprinkled with a few insane progressive insanity politics with a lot more poverty and strife thrown in.

look forward to more war more division and a worse trump for 2024 ?????

He and his brain dead followers should go with the same respect for the democratic process as whence he came.

I am also non partisan, so watching this is crazy.

As embarrassing as he is, just under half the country vote for him. He is a protest vote against the mainstream narrative that keeps getting plugged, you must not say this or do that. And yet again the pollsters get a shellacking where people say one thing in public because is the accepted thing to do and do something totally different in privacy.

The good thing is without charismatic and "right on" Obama or loopy "The Donald" we may spend less time in this country constantly broadcasting about a country we have no say in and doesn't really affect our lives.

He is of very little use to the republican party, they will not back him and Biden will be the president with a Republican senate, so Trump is of no use to them, he'll be a hindrance as they need to find their next generation of candidates.

Brand President Trump will be worth a lot, I am sure the Donald will not drift into the twilight. He will be waiting to cash in straight away. I wonder how much a presidential pardon goes for

The US electoral system is illogical.
Still hoping for a Trump win to wipe the grin off that geriatric Biden’s face and shut up all those publicity seeking millionaire C List celebrities but it seems unlikely.

The only reason I would have been interested in a Trump win would have been to see what he would do with his "fraud" allegations then.

Logically, if there was electoral fraud it should be investigated whoever won but I'm guessing Mr Trump might have called off the lawyers if he had won

This isn't over until the last vote is counted but it's so important that every vote, received on or before election day, is counted for the sake of democracy.

As the final (mainly postal) votes are counted in the US Elections, it is becoming increasingly clear that 'The Donald' is about to suffer the ignominy of being labelled a 'One-time President' as incumbent Joe Biden closes in on the required 270 Electoral College Votes to become the new POTUS

Democratic challenger Joe Biden says it is clear he is winning enough states to take the US presidency, despite key results still outstanding and the projection figures appear to be supporting that.

"When the count is finished we believe we will be the winners," he said in a brief speech, just before projections showed him winning Michigan

The final result will come down to key, undeclared battleground states: Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania

Mr Trump is so far projected to win 23 states, including Texas, Ohio and Florida, having outperformed pollsters' predictions

Already, the president alleges fraud, without offering evidence, and says he will launch a Supreme Court challenge and the Trump campaign has launched legal bids to stop the counts in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia and Michigan

Mr Biden's campaign calls President's Trump statement "outrageous", adding: "The counting will not stop"

The US is on course for its highest turnout in more than a century, and it's possible there might not have a confirmed result for days

Yes it is all over we have now 4-5 years of corrupt democratic neo liberal establishment sprinkled with a few insane progressive insanity politics with a lot more poverty and strife thrown in.

look forward to more war more division and a worse trump for 2024 ?????

He and his brain dead followers should go with the same respect for the democratic process as whence he came.

i think he should go too...it is what it is.....but braindead ? nearly 70 million Americans saw straight through the worlds biggest brainwashing job ... and looking at the absolute rubbish some swallowed { read above if you need an example } its the braindeads have actually won....

As the final (mainly postal) votes are counted in the US Elections, it is becoming increasingly clear that 'The Donald' is about to suffer the ignominy of being labelled a 'One-time President' as incumbent Joe Biden closes in on the required 270 Electoral College Votes to become the new POTUS

Democratic challenger Joe Biden says it is clear he is winning enough states to take the US presidency, despite key results still outstanding and the projection figures appear to be supporting that.

"When the count is finished we believe we will be the winners," he said in a brief speech, just before projections showed him winning Michigan

The final result will come down to key, undeclared battleground states: Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania

Mr Trump is so far projected to win 23 states, including Texas, Ohio and Florida, having outperformed pollsters' predictions

Already, the president alleges fraud, without offering evidence, and says he will launch a Supreme Court challenge and the Trump campaign has launched legal bids to stop the counts in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia and Michigan

Mr Biden's campaign calls President's Trump statement "outrageous", adding: "The counting will not stop"

The US is on course for its highest turnout in more than a century, and it's possible there might not have a confirmed result for days

Yes it is all over we have now 4-5 years of corrupt democratic neo liberal establishment sprinkled with a few insane progressive insanity politics with a lot more poverty and strife thrown in.

look forward to more war more division and a worse trump for 2024 ?????

He and his brain dead followers should go with the same respect for the democratic process as whence he came.

i think he should go too...it is what it is.....but braindead ? nearly 70 million Americans saw straight through the worlds biggest brainwashing job ... and looking at the absolute rubbish some swallowed { read above if you need an example } its the braindeads have actually won....

It's this type of rhetoric that has created such a divisive and toxic environment. Its quite funny though, because the ones who claim Trump is the reason for it are equally (probably more) as complicit.

People who oppose Trump, or even topics like Brexit, seem to come from a self-superiority stance. They always know best, they are always right. They look down on those who who disagree with them and weaponise certain words (racist, fascist etc.) until those words lose their very meaning. At the same time, they try to act as if they represent those very same people they look down upon and consider deplorables. They are very disingenuous.

On the topic of the election, it's still very tight and Trump could still flip it. Especially if he gets Arizone and Philly. Although, I expect there to be some legal disputes for some time.

If Trump gets in, people feel divided by race and less social policy is enacted. If Biden gets in, taxes and regulation go up which means less jobs, and the economy suffers. Depends what people want. Its not much of a choice either way.

We've all plagiarised.. but if you use anything by Neil Kinnock, it doesnt inspire.

If Trump gets in, people feel divided by race and less social policy is enacted. If Biden gets in, taxes and regulation go up which means less jobs, and the economy suffers. Depends what people want. Its not much of a choice either way.

We've all plagiarised.. but if you use anything by Neil Kinnock, it doesnt inspire.

its all a game its WWE really Biden is truly corrupt and horrible human being and trump is a bombastic and self absorbed

would still prefer Trump out of the two.

As the final (mainly postal) votes are counted in the US Elections, it is becoming increasingly clear that 'The Donald' is about to suffer the ignominy of being labelled a 'One-time President' as incumbent Joe Biden closes in on the required 270 Electoral College Votes to become the new POTUS

Democratic challenger Joe Biden says it is clear he is winning enough states to take the US presidency, despite key results still outstanding and the projection figures appear to be supporting that.

"When the count is finished we believe we will be the winners," he said in a brief speech, just before projections showed him winning Michigan

The final result will come down to key, undeclared battleground states: Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania

Mr Trump is so far projected to win 23 states, including Texas, Ohio and Florida, having outperformed pollsters' predictions

Already, the president alleges fraud, without offering evidence, and says he will launch a Supreme Court challenge and the Trump campaign has launched legal bids to stop the counts in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia and Michigan

Mr Biden's campaign calls President's Trump statement "outrageous", adding: "The counting will not stop"

The US is on course for its highest turnout in more than a century, and it's possible there might not have a confirmed result for days

Yes it is all over we have now 4-5 years of corrupt democratic neo liberal establishment sprinkled with a few insane progressive insanity politics with a lot more poverty and strife thrown in.

look forward to more war more division and a worse trump for 2024 ?????

He and his brain dead followers should go with the same respect for the democratic process as whence he came.

i think he should go too...it is what it is.....but braindead ? nearly 70 million Americans saw straight through the worlds biggest brainwashing job ... and looking at the absolute rubbish some swallowed { read above if you need an example } its the braindeads have actually won....

It's this type of rhetoric that has created such a divisive and toxic environment. Its quite funny though, because the ones who claim Trump is the reason for it are equally (probably more) as complicit.

People who oppose Trump, or even topics like Brexit, seem to come from a self-superiority stance. They always know best, they are always right. They look down on those who who disagree with them and weaponise certain words (racist, fascist etc.) until those words lose their very meaning. At the same time, they try to act as if they represent those very same people they look down upon and consider deplorables. They are very disingenuous.

On the topic of the election, it's still very tight and Trump could still flip it. Especially if he gets Arizone and Philly. Although, I expect there to be some legal disputes for some time.

Yes that's the issue these morons think they are morally superior like they have joined some kind of cult.

Identity and gender politics is both immoral and insanity.

As the final (mainly postal) votes are counted in the US Elections, it is becoming increasingly clear that 'The Donald' is about to suffer the ignominy of being labelled a 'One-time President' as incumbent Joe Biden closes in on the required 270 Electoral College Votes to become the new POTUS

Democratic challenger Joe Biden says it is clear he is winning enough states to take the US presidency, despite key results still outstanding and the projection figures appear to be supporting that.

"When the count is finished we believe we will be the winners," he said in a brief speech, just before projections showed him winning Michigan

The final result will come down to key, undeclared battleground states: Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania

Mr Trump is so far projected to win 23 states, including Texas, Ohio and Florida, having outperformed pollsters' predictions

Already, the president alleges fraud, without offering evidence, and says he will launch a Supreme Court challenge and the Trump campaign has launched legal bids to stop the counts in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia and Michigan

Mr Biden's campaign calls President's Trump statement "outrageous", adding: "The counting will not stop"

The US is on course for its highest turnout in more than a century, and it's possible there might not have a confirmed result for days

Yes it is all over we have now 4-5 years of corrupt democratic neo liberal establishment sprinkled with a few insane progressive insanity politics with a lot more poverty and strife thrown in.

look forward to more war more division and a worse trump for 2024 ?????

He and his brain dead followers should go with the same respect for the democratic process as whence he came.

i think he should go too...it is what it is.....but braindead ? nearly 70 million Americans saw straight through the worlds biggest brainwashing job ... and looking at the absolute rubbish some swallowed { read above if you need an example } its the braindeads have actually won....

It's this type of rhetoric that has created such a divisive and toxic environment. Its quite funny though, because the ones who claim Trump is the reason for it are equally (probably more) as complicit.

People who oppose Trump, or even topics like Brexit, seem to come from a self-superiority stance. They always know best, they are always right. They look down on those who who disagree with them and weaponise certain words (racist, fascist etc.) until those words lose their very meaning. At the same time, they try to act as if they represent those very same people they look down upon and consider deplorables. They are very disingenuous.

On the topic of the election, it's still very tight and Trump could still flip it. Especially if he gets Arizone and Philly. Although, I expect there to be some legal disputes for some time.

the outcome is going to be Biden mate... really very surprised that in a world where Joe Public seem so prepared to believe absolutely anything that it was so close... personally i see quite a lot wrong with Trump but far more wrong with a 4 year media attack both in the USA and here..

I have to admit I would vote for Trump over Biden. I would-not argue Trump has his faults but what I do like is his straight talking. Yes his delivery can sound awful (especially it is twisted out of context) but he doesn't hide away from it, which in it's own way is a form of sheer honesty.

Biden on the other hand has been hidden away for most of the campaign. On the occasions he does speak it is limited to making personal attacks against Trump and catch all phrases like "I'll unite America" etc. but no actual substance.

He doesn't appear to be mentally fit for the most important job in the world. I can't believe he will last long in the job and therefore Kamala Harris will take over soon. I for one don't think that is a very good prospect at all.

As for the fraud? I have no idea whether electoral fraud has happened but taking the UK as an example it has happened many times. There have been incidents of tampering with postal votes in Birmingham a few years ago and also with students registering to vote both at their University towns/cities and their home towns/cities so it does happen.

I have heard that Trump is claiming fraud without evidence. I would say there could be some peripheral evidence i.e. states which have been Republican switching despite an increase in votes for Trump, there is some evidence emerging that in some counties more votes were cast than than the number of people eligible to vote there and frankly I wouldn't put Biden above anything crooked when he is a very rich man despite working all his life as a career politician.

The truth is there can only be 'substantial evidence' if someone looks for it. That will only happen if there is a proper independent investigation which is not subject to political interference.

If Trump gets in, people feel divided by race and less social policy is enacted. If Biden gets in, taxes and regulation go up which means less jobs, and the economy suffers. Depends what people want. Its not much of a choice either way.

We've all plagiarised.. but if you use anything by Neil Kinnock, it doesnt inspire.

the economy suffers....havent you heard their very strong pre covid economy was off the back of Obama
say it enough and the half wits that want to be seen as three quarter wits will buy it...

I have to admit I would vote for Trump over Biden. I would-not argue Trump has his faults but what I do like is his straight talking. Yes his delivery can sound awful (especially it is twisted out of context) but he doesn't hide away from it, which in it's own way is a form of sheer honesty.

Biden on the other hand has been hidden away for most of the campaign. On the occasions he does speak it is limited to making personal attacks against Trump and catch all phrases like "I'll unite America" etc. but no actual substance.

He doesn't appear to be mentally fit for the most important job in the world. I can't believe he will last long in the job and therefore Kamala Harris will take over soon. I for one don't think that is a very good prospect at all.

As for the fraud? I have no idea whether electoral fraud has happened but taking the UK as an example it has happened many times. There have been incidents of tampering with postal votes in Birmingham a few years ago and also with students registering to vote both at their University towns/cities and their home towns/cities so it does happen.

I have heard that Trump is claiming fraud without evidence. I would say there could be some peripheral evidence i.e. states which have been Republican switching despite an increase in votes for Trump, there is some evidence emerging that in some counties more votes were cast than than the number of people eligible to vote there and frankly I wouldn't put Biden above anything crooked when he is a very rich man despite working all his life as a career politician.

The truth is there can only be 'substantial evidence' if someone looks for it. That will only happen if there is a proper independent investigation which is not subject to political interference.

I worked at the last GE as a poll clerk. Our system is also shocking.

Someone turns up to vote. They don’t even need a polling card to vote. They tell me their name and address. That’s it. No ID required.

Easy to swindle.

I have to admit I would vote for Trump over Biden. I would-not argue Trump has his faults but what I do like is his straight talking. Yes his delivery can sound awful (especially it is twisted out of context) but he doesn't hide away from it, which in it's own way is a form of sheer honesty.

Biden on the other hand has been hidden away for most of the campaign. On the occasions he does speak it is limited to making personal attacks against Trump and catch all phrases like "I'll unite America" etc. but no actual substance.

He doesn't appear to be mentally fit for the most important job in the world. I can't believe he will last long in the job and therefore Kamala Harris will take over soon. I for one don't think that is a very good prospect at all.

As for the fraud? I have no idea whether electoral fraud has happened but taking the UK as an example it has happened many times. There have been incidents of tampering with postal votes in Birmingham a few years ago and also with students registering to vote both at their University towns/cities and their home towns/cities so it does happen.

I have heard that Trump is claiming fraud without evidence. I would say there could be some peripheral evidence i.e. states which have been Republican switching despite an increase in votes for Trump, there is some evidence emerging that in some counties more votes were cast than than the number of people eligible to vote there and frankly I wouldn't put Biden above anything crooked when he is a very rich man despite working all his life as a career politician.

The truth is there can only be 'substantial evidence' if someone looks for it. That will only happen if there is a proper independent investigation which is not subject to political interference.

his delivery is awful... and its been rich pickings for the political anti Trump press to cherry pick ,twist and quote out of context.... which resulted in the fake news quip .. which combined made it all rather pointless having news

I have to admit I would vote for Trump over Biden. I would-not argue Trump has his faults but what I do like is his straight talking. Yes his delivery can sound awful (especially it is twisted out of context) but he doesn't hide away from it, which in it's own way is a form of sheer honesty.

Biden on the other hand has been hidden away for most of the campaign. On the occasions he does speak it is limited to making personal attacks against Trump and catch all phrases like "I'll unite America" etc. but no actual substance.

He doesn't appear to be mentally fit for the most important job in the world. I can't believe he will last long in the job and therefore Kamala Harris will take over soon. I for one don't think that is a very good prospect at all.

As for the fraud? I have no idea whether electoral fraud has happened but taking the UK as an example it has happened many times. There have been incidents of tampering with postal votes in Birmingham a few years ago and also with students registering to vote both at their University towns/cities and their home towns/cities so it does happen.

I have heard that Trump is claiming fraud without evidence. I would say there could be some peripheral evidence i.e. states which have been Republican switching despite an increase in votes for Trump, there is some evidence emerging that in some counties more votes were cast than than the number of people eligible to vote there and frankly I wouldn't put Biden above anything crooked when he is a very rich man despite working all his life as a career politician.

The truth is there can only be 'substantial evidence' if someone looks for it. That will only happen if there is a proper independent investigation which is not subject to political interference.

I worked at the last GE as a poll clerk. Our system is also shocking.

Someone turns up to vote. They don’t even need a polling card to vote. They tell me their name and address. That’s it. No ID required.

Easy to swindle.

so...what your saying is this could be coming to a constituency near you ?
ive always thought it happened during the Welsh Assembly referendum...the way the final vote that came in turned it on its head was so out of sinc ..

I have to admit I would vote for Trump over Biden. I would-not argue Trump has his faults but what I do like is his straight talking. Yes his delivery can sound awful (especially it is twisted out of context) but he doesn't hide away from it, which in it's own way is a form of sheer honesty.

Biden on the other hand has been hidden away for most of the campaign. On the occasions he does speak it is limited to making personal attacks against Trump and catch all phrases like "I'll unite America" etc. but no actual substance.

He doesn't appear to be mentally fit for the most important job in the world. I can't believe he will last long in the job and therefore Kamala Harris will take over soon. I for one don't think that is a very good prospect at all.

As for the fraud? I have no idea whether electoral fraud has happened but taking the UK as an example it has happened many times. There have been incidents of tampering with postal votes in Birmingham a few years ago and also with students registering to vote both at their University towns/cities and their home towns/cities so it does happen.

I have heard that Trump is claiming fraud without evidence. I would say there could be some peripheral evidence i.e. states which have been Republican switching despite an increase in votes for Trump, there is some evidence emerging that in some counties more votes were cast than than the number of people eligible to vote there and frankly I wouldn't put Biden above anything crooked when he is a very rich man despite working all his life as a career politician.

The truth is there can only be 'substantial evidence' if someone looks for it. That will only happen if there is a proper independent investigation which is not subject to political interference.

I worked at the last GE as a poll clerk. Our system is also shocking.

Someone turns up to vote. They don’t even need a polling card to vote. They tell me their name and address. That’s it. No ID required.

Easy to swindle.

so...what your saying is this could be coming to a constituency near you ?
ive always thought it happened during the Welsh Assembly referendum...the way the final vote that came in turned it on its head was so out of sinc ..

why do you think the assembly want 16-17s to vote ? so thay can keep power because the young are idealistic and dumb ?

The people who think Trump is not corrupt are dluded and those who think he cares about the common man are even more so. Trump cares for no one other than Trump. His father was corrupt ant seems to have taught his son all he knew. Personally I have no interest in internal American politics if they want to let their people die for the want of health care that’s their problem. What I do care about is the fate of the planet big business only cares about profit with no thought for the environment the same can be said of both hard right and communist governments.
I worry that deregulation and unfettered interests in places like USA, Brazil India and China is slowly choking the planet. If Biden wins and acts to rejoin and strengthen the Paris accord then I will be happy if Trump wins god help the planet.

The US electoral system is illogical.
Still hoping for a Trump win to wipe the grin off that geriatric Biden’s face and shut up all those publicity seeking millionaire C List celebrities but it seems unlikely.

Only to those that don't understand it.

The losers always say it should be changed while the winners don't want to change a system that helped them win & so it goes on whoever wins or loses.

The people who think Trump is not corrupt are dluded and those who think he cares about the common man are even more so. Trump cares for no one other than Trump. His father was corrupt ant seems to have taught his son all he knew. Personally I have no interest in internal American politics if they want to let their people die for the want of health care that’s their problem. What I do care about is the fate of the planet big business only cares about profit with no thought for the environment the same can be said of both hard right and communist governments.
I worry that deregulation and unfettered interests in places like USA, Brazil India and China is slowly choking the planet. If Biden wins and acts to rejoin and strengthen the Paris accord then I will be happy if Trump wins god help the planet.

yep 70 million plus deluded Americans...and Biden the geriatric career man of the people politician is the saviour...been hearing it for years.... be honest its very very close..take away 4 years of 24/7 shit throwing , biased reporting and flat out lies...Trump would have won...

The people who think Trump is not corrupt are dluded and those who think he cares about the common man are even more so. Trump cares for no one other than Trump. His father was corrupt ant seems to have taught his son all he knew. Personally I have no interest in internal American politics if they want to let their people die for the want of health care that’s their problem. What I do care about is the fate of the planet big business only cares about profit with no thought for the environment the same can be said of both hard right and communist governments.
I worry that deregulation and unfettered interests in places like USA, Brazil India and China is slowly choking the planet. If Biden wins and acts to rejoin and strengthen the Paris accord then I will be happy if Trump wins god help the planet.

yep 70 million plus deluded Americans...and Biden the geriatric career man of the people politician is the saviour...been hearing it for years.... be honest its very very close..take away 4 years of 24/7 shit throwing , biased reporting and flat out lies...Trump would have won...

Donald the second hand car spiv.Pays no tax.Cuts an old womans water off because he wants her cottage to build his golf course,
Deutsche Bank Plans To Seize Trump’s Assets If He Can’t Pay Back His Debts.They say he's sent by God,the bible belt love him.

The people who think Trump is not corrupt are dluded and those who think he cares about the common man are even more so. Trump cares for no one other than Trump. His father was corrupt ant seems to have taught his son all he knew. Personally I have no interest in internal American politics if they want to let their people die for the want of health care that’s their problem. What I do care about is the fate of the planet big business only cares about profit with no thought for the environment the same can be said of both hard right and communist governments.
I worry that deregulation and unfettered interests in places like USA, Brazil India and China is slowly choking the planet. If Biden wins and acts to rejoin and strengthen the Paris accord then I will be happy if Trump wins god help the planet.

yep 70 million plus deluded Americans...and Biden the geriatric career man of the people politician is the saviour...been hearing it for years.... be honest its very very close..take away 4 years of 24/7 shit throwing , biased reporting and flat out lies...Trump would have won...

Donald the second hand car spiv.Pays no tax.Cuts an old womans water off because he wants her cottage to build his golf course,
Deutsche Bank Plans To Seize Trump’s Assets If He Can’t Pay Back His Debts.They say he's sent by God,the bible belt love him.

in all fairness after years of mud slinging on almost everything under the sun even the US media missed out on calling him a second hand car spiv... but yes that is exactly my point...thank you...there literally is nothing he has not been accused of...

The people who think Trump is not corrupt are dluded and those who think he cares about the common man are even more so. Trump cares for no one other than Trump. His father was corrupt ant seems to have taught his son all he knew.

Is Trump corrupt? He could well be but Biden is also a corrupt politician so it is not an exclusive club.

yep 70 million plus deluded Americans...and Biden the geriatric career man of the people politician is the saviour...been hearing it for years.... be honest its very very close..take away 4 years of 24/7 shit throwing , biased reporting and flat out lies...Trump would have won...[/quote]
Donald the second hand car spiv.Pays no tax.Cuts an old womans water off because he wants her cottage to build his golf course,
Deutsche Bank Plans To Seize Trump’s Assets If He Can’t Pay Back His Debts.They say he's sent by God,the bible belt love him.[/quote]

Yeah.. you see it all the time.. cottages going around building golf courses.