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Also, there's a story on twitter going around where someone said a welsh hospital was quiet and full of empty beds. The poster didnt share that it was a new hospital in cwmbran not yet opened. Sick people looking for a kick perhaps.

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Also, there's a story on twitter going around where someone said a welsh hospital was quiet and full of empty beds. The poster didnt share that it was a new hospital in cwmbran not yet opened. Sick people looking for a kick perhaps.

im afraid its a fact that people have died due to the over reaction while our hospitals lay 1/3 rd full.... the official stats are easily available but anyone who genuinely worked in a hospital knows this first hand and probably has these concerns themselves { the ones i know have } ......havent seen much about covid not existing , thats the side step used by coronaphobes who dont much care about the general health of the nation or infact anyone without covid and have no real comebacks to the claims of over reaction so instead do this stuff ......... so yes that really is sick....so how about you stop....

oh..i voted no , of course it exists along with lots of other things that are far more likely to kill you today / tomorrow/ next week

Over reaction then?? Is evey country in the world exaggerating this issue then. Hell of a orchestrated campaign by all these governments and institutions if proven.

Fair play to them all, just puzzling why any government would want to drop a spanner into their economic infrastructure is the sticking point for me.

Good luck everyone, just carry on as normal then. Nothing to worry about. Stay safe!!

Obviously not fake but over hyped yes,99.9% chance of survival but 100% impacted on everyone's lives

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... tember2020

Deaths 2020 above and hospital admissions below. What's going on?

https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/31/coronavi ... -13511828/

Over reaction then?? Is evey country in the world exaggerating this issue then. Hell of a orchestrated campaign by all these governments and institutions if proven.

Fair play to them all, just puzzling why any government would want to drop a spanner into their economic infrastructure is the sticking point for me.

Good luck everyone, just carry on as normal then. Nothing to worry about. Stay safe!!

People carrying on 'as normal' is the bigger problem here...!

The Government, in fact no Government, could possibly 'want' to see economic decline; but I can see where opponents who don't have to stand up to real scrutiny (cue redjohn) would seek to use the situation to their own nefarious motives

Obviously not fake but over hyped yes,99.9% chance of survival but 100% impacted on everyone's lives

My sentiments exactly.

Of coarse it’s real ffs. Covid has been with us for decades. What many disagree with is the seriousness of the virus. And the lies of the full hospitals. They are using a virus for there own agendas.
Why do some keep saying many who question what is going on that the virus does not exist ? YES IT EXISTS now climb back down

Of coarse it’s real ffs. Covid has been with us for decades. What many disagree with is the seriousness of the virus. And the lies of the full hospitals. They are using a virus for there own agendas.
Why do some keep saying many who question what is going on that the virus does not exist ? YES IT EXISTS now climb back down

So what are these agendas?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/september2020

Deaths 2020 above and hospital admissions below. What's going on?

https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/31/coronavi ... -13511828/

how about a few graphs and headlines for those in the 95 % of hospital beds not occupied by coronavirus patients ?

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Of coarse it’s real ffs. Covid has been with us for decades. What many disagree with is the seriousness of the virus. And the lies of the full hospitals. They are using a virus for there own agendas.
Why do some keep saying many who question what is going on that the virus does not exist ? YES IT EXISTS now climb back down

So what are these agendas?

I will give you some. Smaller businesses taken out so the big ones ie the likes of Amazon gets more. People are losing there jobs and businesses left right and centre. More people on the dole so their will be more low paid jobs as the scramble to get a job goes crazy. My belief minimum wage will be abolished as the excuse will be to pay people there worth. You will be working longer hours to earn what you earn today. Pubs clubs restaurants going bust but in between working and sleeping you won’t have time for the pub anyway. This is my gut feeling on one reason of where we are going.

Of coarse it’s real ffs. Covid has been with us for decades. What many disagree with is the seriousness of the virus. And the lies of the full hospitals. They are using a virus for there own agendas.
Why do some keep saying many who question what is going on that the virus does not exist ? YES IT EXISTS now climb back down

So what are these agendas?

I will give you some. Smaller businesses taken out so the big ones ie the likes of Amazon gets more. People are losing there jobs and businesses left right and centre. More people on the dole so their will be more low paid jobs as the scramble to get a job goes crazy. My belief minimum wage will be abolished as the excuse will be to pay people there worth. You will be working longer hours to earn what you earn today. Pubs clubs restaurants going bust but in between working and sleeping you won’t have time for the pub anyway. This is my gut feeling on one reason of where we are going.

So who is coordinating this? So many governments, so many medical experts around the world.
How will this shift to big business benefit the country when typically their corporation tax paid is minimal?
Will Amazon give you a haircut or provide a breakfast in your local cafe, a beer in the pub, decorate your house?
Where is this talk of abolishing minimum wage - surely that would be political suicide? And if the jobs are all with big businesses, why would this be introduced? And who will buy their goods / services of people aren’t in work?

Seems like one hell of a conspiracy theory - I wonder when all the people behind it (government leaders, medical professionals, business leaders) met to plan it?

Of coarse it’s real ffs. Covid has been with us for decades. What many disagree with is the seriousness of the virus. And the lies of the full hospitals. They are using a virus for there own agendas.
Why do some keep saying many who question what is going on that the virus does not exist ? YES IT EXISTS now climb back down

So what are these agendas?

I will give you some. Smaller businesses taken out so the big ones ie the likes of Amazon gets more. People are losing there jobs and businesses left right and centre. More people on the dole so their will be more low paid jobs as the scramble to get a job goes crazy. My belief minimum wage will be abolished as the excuse will be to pay people there worth. You will be working longer hours to earn what you earn today. Pubs clubs restaurants going bust but in between working and sleeping you won’t have time for the pub anyway. This is my gut feeling on one reason of where we are going.

So who is coordinating this? So many governments, so many medical experts around the world.
How will this shift to big business benefit the country when typically their corporation tax paid is minimal?
Will Amazon give you a haircut or provide a breakfast in your local cafe, a beer in the pub, decorate your house?
Where is this talk of abolishing minimum wage - surely that would be political suicide? And if the jobs are all with big businesses, why would this be introduced? And who will buy their goods / services of people aren’t in work?

Seems like one hell of a conspiracy theory - I wonder when all the people behind it (government leaders, medical professionals, business leaders) met to plan it?

minimum wage = political suicide.... come on mate we are way past that ...a year ago a government would have a tough time pushing it but absolutely zero..none..no chance of locking us down ... im not into conspiracy amongst governments.. but its clear most people are not even close when thinking how much collateral damage there will be..the new normal is going to have far more to do with no job no business no house..than it does masks..

Im lost in the fog of it all now. What a fuc... mess 2020 and beyond is going to be.

Who to believe or not to believe. What social media stat/post is true or false. Ffs, i need a distraction.

In other news do you realise it's #nonutnovember

Im lost in the fog of it all now. What a fuc... mess 2020 and beyond is going to be.

Who to believe or not to believe. What social media stat/post is true or false. Ffs, i need a distraction.

In other news do you realise it's #nonutnovember

i seen something on the TV which i doubted back in March... i checked it and although it was not a lie,it was anything but painting the whole picture.. there have been hundreds since.. plus many things implied.. not lies but 2 not totally related truths...eg infections are up followed without taking a breathe ICUs are full....it implies full of covids....my wife has had to be in an ICU 2 times in the last 3 years..they are always busy...but i checked official facts anyway and yes.. apparently we live in a country that has the 2nd least ICU beds per 100k.. so is the problem covid..or we dont have enough ICU beds ? and on it goes.. the more you look, the less sense it makes... and when you keep seeing things that do not make sense it then follows that some will try to make sense of whats going on { conspiracy theory } ..
but here is a thought...for thousands of years the flat earthers were the majority.. and the round earthers ..Aristotle, Pythagoras and the boys were the nut job conspiracy theorists.. then somewhere along the way maybe even an ancestor of our leader now { marcus drakefordious } decreed the world round... and all the obedient flat earthers changed sides...

Theres a programme on the covid jobs crisis already,where a job in a cafe has attracted 350 applicants!! And from all walks of life,and from a huge spectrum of skill levels,from waitress,to graphic designer! A sign of things to come,inthe not too distant future,dark days ahead for sure!!

Loads have died, loads are going to die.

Loads of people in the far East always wear masks. This time last year did you raise an eyebrow?

Did you imagine we'd be wearing masks EVER?

Loads have died, loads are going to die.

Loads of people in the far East always wear masks. This time last year did you raise an eyebrow?

Did you imagine we'd be wearing masks EVER?

We're all going to die - that's for certain.

Unless you die from Covid however your death will mean nothing to those who decide how our lives are to be lived from now on.

Of coarse it’s real ffs. Covid has been with us for decades. What many disagree with is the seriousness of the virus. And the lies of the full hospitals. They are using a virus for there own agendas.
Why do some keep saying many who question what is going on that the virus does not exist ? YES IT EXISTS now climb back down

So what are these agendas?

I will give you some. Smaller businesses taken out so the big ones ie the likes of Amazon gets more. People are losing there jobs and businesses left right and centre. More people on the dole so their will be more low paid jobs as the scramble to get a job goes crazy. My belief minimum wage will be abolished as the excuse will be to pay people there worth. You will be working longer hours to earn what you earn today. Pubs clubs restaurants going bust but in between working and sleeping you won’t have time for the pub anyway. This is my gut feeling on one reason of where we are going.

So who is coordinating this? So many governments, so many medical experts around the world.
How will this shift to big business benefit the country when typically their corporation tax paid is minimal?
Will Amazon give you a haircut or provide a breakfast in your local cafe, a beer in the pub, decorate your house?
Where is this talk of abolishing minimum wage - surely that would be political suicide? And if the jobs are all with big businesses, why would this be introduced? And who will buy their goods / services of people aren’t in work?

Seems like one hell of a conspiracy theory - I wonder when all the people behind it (government leaders, medical professionals, business leaders) met to plan it?

There won’t be a need for pubs. But that is just my thoughts not what I know. Tell you what I saw the covid test site in Abercynon today. It’s huge the size of a football pitch. And just like every test centre around it was empty apart from those working there. And these test centres are the reason the Nation is locked down.

Loads have died, loads are going to die.

Loads of people in the far East always wear masks. This time last year did you raise an eyebrow?

Did you imagine we'd be wearing masks EVER?

We're all going to die - that's for certain.

Unless you die from Covid however your death will mean nothing to those who decide how our lives are to be lived from now on.

your correct other than loads have already died because of the covid over reaction... and correct nobody cares... everyone is compromised mate...EVERYONE to some extent has doubts but 8 months of it pumped out that anyone can die and for those that have figured out the chances of them dying is greater from a spider bite there is the added emotional blackmail of you could kill your elderly relatives... so.. normally you have a stinking cold or flu and give your weekly visit to Aunt Edith who is 90 and is taking 40 tablets a day a miss...go next week... haha you might not know your ill so youd best never see her again.. just ring her.. its the new normal

https://fullfact.org/online/2020-death-toll-comparison/


I think social media proving a hindrance to governments in controlling fake news.

There was some guy on Twitter saying hospital in Wales was dead quiet. The hospital photos he uploaded was a hospital not yet open. Too late though cause people judge a post by its cover.

Brexit ,covid or other stories put on twiiter, Facebook can be exaggerated to suit the posters narrative. Some of the conspiracy stories fu ....great though.

https://fullfact.org/online/2020-death-toll-comparison/


I think social media proving a hindrance to governments in controlling fake news.

There was some guy on Twitter saying hospital in Wales was dead quiet. The hospital photos he uploaded was a hospital not yet open. Too late though cause people judge a post by its cover.

Brexit ,covid or other stories put on twiiter, Facebook can be exaggerated to suit the posters narrative. Some of the conspiracy stories fu ....great though.

the government are doing a fine job pumping out very selective information themselves including cherry picking / inventing a tweet to debunk.......as for facebook, twitter or Mat next door if they tell you something why not check it out on official sites { not fullfact } .. because it doesnt really matter if its in the Times on the BBC or its Mary that told you providing what is said is the truth...

https://fullfact.org/online/2020-death-toll-comparison/


I think social media proving a hindrance to governments in controlling fake news.

There was some guy on Twitter saying hospital in Wales was dead quiet. The hospital photos he uploaded was a hospital not yet open. Too late though cause people judge a post by its cover.

Brexit ,covid or other stories put on twiiter, Facebook can be exaggerated to suit the posters narrative. Some of the conspiracy stories fu ....great though.

Hospitals are very quiet. Been to a few and they are ghost hospitals no one in sight

https://fullfact.org/online/2020-death-toll-comparison/


I think social media proving a hindrance to governments in controlling fake news.

There was some guy on Twitter saying hospital in Wales was dead quiet. The hospital photos he uploaded was a hospital not yet open. Too late though cause people judge a post by its cover.

Brexit ,covid or other stories put on twiiter, Facebook can be exaggerated to suit the posters narrative. Some of the conspiracy stories fu ....great though.

Hospitals are very quiet. Been to a few and they are ghost hospitals no one in sight

Most of these lockdowns are based on projections and the reasons given are always that unless something is done the NHS won't cope. To me this sounds a perfectly logical explanation, Boris doesn't want mass unemployment and people not being able to go to the hospital because they are overflowing, it was the last resort he had to do it.

Drakeford has been much more cautious, but again I think that is probably down to the state of the Welsh NHS, he has to jump earlier and lockdown for longer as we have a lower threshold for overwhelming the NHS.

Of course, they will have to lay it on thick to get the message across, compliance to rules is at an all-time low, this has been a tough year and people have had enough!

https://fullfact.org/online/2020-death-toll-comparison/


I think social media proving a hindrance to governments in controlling fake news.

There was some guy on Twitter saying hospital in Wales was dead quiet. The hospital photos he uploaded was a hospital not yet open. Too late though cause people judge a post by its cover.

Brexit ,covid or other stories put on twiiter, Facebook can be exaggerated to suit the posters narrative. Some of the conspiracy stories fu ....great though.

Hospitals are very quiet. Been to a few and they are ghost hospitals no one in sight

Most of these lockdowns are based on projections and the reasons given are always that unless something is done the NHS won't cope. To me this sounds a perfectly logical explanation, Boris doesn't want mass unemployment and people not being able to go to the hospital because they are overflowing, it was the last resort he had to do it.

Drakeford has been much more cautious, but again I think that is probably down to the state of the Welsh NHS, he has to jump earlier and lockdown for longer as we have a lower threshold for overwhelming the NHS.

Of course, they will have to lay it on thick to get the message across, compliance to rules is at an all-time low, this has been a tough year and people have had enough!

laying it on thick.....you mean lies ..

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13092868/ ... incorrect/


ive been banging on about miss leading , inaccurate and very selective graphs for 8 months....
no escaping lies are lies...