1% 0f the population in England had Covid 19 last week

1 in 100 in England
1 in 80 in Northern Ireland
1 in 120 in Wales

That's quite a jump, no matter what happens an increase in Hospital admissions and deaths in the next few weeks will filter through.

When the lockdown finally ends, I wouldn't imagine too many changes to the previous local lockdown restrictions, but countrywide?

1 in 100 in England
1 in 80 in Northern Ireland
1 in 120 in Wales

That's quite a jump, no matter what happens an increase in Hospital admissions and deaths in the next few weeks will filter through.

When the lockdown finally ends, I wouldn't imagine too many changes to the previous local lockdown restrictions, but countrywide?

the same was being said back in April...

You take your money you make your choice? There is countless scenarios being published all over the news media which one is true God knows! So much misinformation is probably a ploy to frighten the people into staying indoors...

You take your money you make your choice? There is countless scenarios being published all over the news media which one is true God knows! So much misinformation is probably a ploy to frighten the people into staying indoors...

You won't go far wrong if you listen to the Doctors. They're the ones seeing what's happening and dealing with the workload.

1 in 100 in England
1 in 80 in Northern Ireland
1 in 120 in Wales

That's quite a jump, no matter what happens an increase in Hospital admissions and deaths in the next few weeks will filter through.

When the lockdown finally ends, I wouldn't imagine too many changes to the previous local lockdown restrictions, but countrywide?

the same was being said back in April...

And tens of thousands of people died.

You take your money you make your choice? There is countless scenarios being published all over the news media which one is true God knows! So much misinformation is probably a ploy to frighten the people into staying indoors...

You won't go far wrong if you listen to the Doctors. They're the ones seeing what's happening and dealing with the workload.

Are the real doctors saying anything? The ones who are generally are aligned to WG as advisors which is kind of the point making.... in initial outbreak other staff was put on standby to help out inc my daughter that as not happened now... and if you believe whats being said about infections the whole of uk could be infected by end of year! Also I have no confidence in the way WG calculates infections per 100k what they say doesn't coilate with figures given for infections on daily basis.

1 in 100 in England
1 in 80 in Northern Ireland
1 in 120 in Wales

That's quite a jump, no matter what happens an increase in Hospital admissions and deaths in the next few weeks will filter through.

When the lockdown finally ends, I wouldn't imagine too many changes to the previous local lockdown restrictions, but countrywide?

the same was being said back in April...

And tens of thousands of people died.

no hundreds of thousands died.... the vast majority of other causes.... as normally happens..

You take your money you make your choice? There is countless scenarios being published all over the news media which one is true God knows! So much misinformation is probably a ploy to frighten the people into staying indoors...

You won't go far wrong if you listen to the Doctors. They're the ones seeing what's happening and dealing with the workload.

THE doctors ? .... its not like there is consensus of opinion now is there..

You take your money you make your choice? There is countless scenarios being published all over the news media which one is true God knows! So much misinformation is probably a ploy to frighten the people into staying indoors...

You won't go far wrong if you listen to the Doctors. They're the ones seeing what's happening and dealing with the workload.

THE doctors ? .... its not like there is consensus of opinion now is there..

Thats what I said only doctors speaking are the ones employed by WG to put spin on figures....

Normally about 600,000 people die in the U.K. each year

Since the start of this pandemic which has crippled the U.K. economy, led to personal restrictions that have not been seen in a century. A pandemic which is going to cause mass unemployment and lead probably to tax increases for everyone for maybe ten years or more

A pandemic which has caused thousands of operations and treatments for other diseases to be cancelled leading to probably thousands of preventable deaths

The TOTAL number of deaths in the U.K. so far which mention Covid on death certificate is approximately 60,000. The average age of these people who have died is 82 and 92% of them had other underlying health problems

In a normal year the 2 biggest killers in U.K. are dementia and Alzheimer’s. 30% of the people who had tested positive for Covid actually died of Alzheimer’s or dementia

These are the actual facts available on ons website make of it what you like!!

In a normal year the 2 biggest killers in U.K. are dementia and Alzheimer’s. 30% of the people who had tested positive for Covid actually died of Alzheimer’s or dementia

These are the actual facts available on ons website make of it what you like!!

Think you got that a bit wrong. (In June) 27.5% of corona deaths also had dementia.

Alzehemiers/ dementia aren't very big killers in terms of outright 'actual' causes of death. They just tend to really weaken your body which allows something else (pneumonia or corona for example) to finish you.
The last time I looked there was something like 93% of male UK dementia deaths that had heart disease, circulatory disease, or cancer also on the death certificate.

Normally about 600,000 people die in the U.K. each year

Since the start of this pandemic which has crippled the U.K. economy, led to personal restrictions that have not been seen in a century. A pandemic which is going to cause mass unemployment and lead probably to tax increases for everyone for maybe ten years or more

A pandemic which has caused thousands of operations and treatments for other diseases to be cancelled leading to probably thousands of preventable deaths

The TOTAL number of deaths in the U.K. so far which mention Covid on death certificate is approximately 60,000. The average age of these people who have died is 82 and 92% of them had other underlying health problems

In a normal year the 2 biggest killers in U.K. are dementia and Alzheimer’s. 30% of the people who had tested positive for Covid actually died of Alzheimer’s or dementia

These are the actual facts available on ons website make of it what you like!!

What you say is probably true but politicians and experts only highlight the figures that they want the people to know.... and the experts have vested interest in keeping this pandemic going for financial reasons done are on 7k a day to advise gvmnts

Covid spreading faster in England than 'worst-case scenario', documents show

Covid is spreading "significantly" faster through England than even the government's predicted "worst-case" scenario, documents reveal.

The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) says there are around four times as many people catching Covid than anticipated.

A "reasonable worst-case scenario" is used by officials and the NHS to plan for the months ahead.

It had estimated 85,000 deaths from Covid over the course of winter.

But an official Sage document, dated 14 October and published today, reveals we are in a worse position than expected.

Scientists crunching the numbers estimated that, by mid-October, there were between 43,000 and 74,000 people being infected with coronavirus every day in England.

Their report said: "This is significantly above the profile of the reasonable worst-case scenario, where the number of daily infections in England remained between 12,000-13,000 throughout October."

Covid spreading faster in England than 'worst-case scenario', documents show

Covid is spreading "significantly" faster through England than even the government's predicted "worst-case" scenario, documents reveal.

The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) says there are around four times as many people catching Covid than anticipated.

A "reasonable worst-case scenario" is used by officials and the NHS to plan for the months ahead.

It had estimated 85,000 deaths from Covid over the course of winter.

But an official Sage document, dated 14 October and published today, reveals we are in a worse position than expected.

Scientists crunching the numbers estimated that, by mid-October, there were between 43,000 and 74,000 people being infected with coronavirus every day in England.

Their report said: "This is significantly above the profile of the reasonable worst-case scenario, where the number of daily infections in England remained between 12,000-13,000 throughout October."

No idea what to believe anymore, but all I do know is that the total number of deaths this year looks like it’s not going to be significantly higher than in a “normal” year. Probably a similar number to if we had a particularly cold winter with a bad flu season

Covid spreading faster in England than 'worst-case scenario', documents show

Covid is spreading "significantly" faster through England than even the government's predicted "worst-case" scenario, documents reveal.

The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) says there are around four times as many people catching Covid than anticipated.

A "reasonable worst-case scenario" is used by officials and the NHS to plan for the months ahead.

It had estimated 85,000 deaths from Covid over the course of winter.

But an official Sage document, dated 14 October and published today, reveals we are in a worse position than expected.

Scientists crunching the numbers estimated that, by mid-October, there were between 43,000 and 74,000 people being infected with coronavirus every day in England.

Their report said: "This is significantly above the profile of the reasonable worst-case scenario, where the number of daily infections in England remained between 12,000-13,000 throughout October."

No idea what to believe anymore, but all I do know is that the total number of deaths this year looks like it’s not going to be significantly higher than in a “normal” year. Probably a similar number to if we had a particularly cold winter with a bad flu season

right...so at its peak in April its been admitted by the government that although we were reporting around 6k cases a day the actual figure estimated by these models and government scientists was a 100k...
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-case ... 4js3ZY_1wS
also..we were told time and time again that the numbers would go up again in Autumn / Winter.. 2nd wave..could be worse. etc . so now we are in Autumn / Winter , figures are going up ? well ..we have been de commissioning field hospitals because the feared worse 2nd wave had a worse case scenario of 12k...1/8 th of the 1st wave...where the hell does this worse case scenario come from ? was the original spiel lies
you have no idea , how can any of us ... when those in power do not seemingly only have no idea but can not remember half the things they themselves have said...

I'm just putting this out there to hopefully allay the fears of some, who seem to be petrified by this latest flu like virus.

I've been exiled in Dorset for the last 12-13 years but the majority of my close family still live in the Bridgend area. I made 2 calls last night, one to my baby Bro who will be 50 in December and the other to my eldest Son who is circa 32 years old, I'm useless with exact ages. Up until last night I did not know of anybody personally who had caught and been tested positive for Covid.

Call 1 to my Bro: He started feeling a bit rough Monday evening, didn't think much of it, worked on Tuesday but felt lethargic and tired and gradually felt worse as the day wore on. Had an early night as feeling really rough with a temperature.....woke around 2-3am in sweats feeling he had no energy at all. He suspected the worst so went online and managed to book a test for 9am Wednesday morning......not too concerned as Wednesday was his day off. Took the test and felt absolutely crap all day Wednesday. He's an ex heavy smoker who went onto vaping about 3-4 years ago. Took Thursday off work sick and test result came back Thursday evening around 5pm, positive Covid. Started feeling a bit better on Friday but obviously a bit run down.

He did have a proper dose of the flu a few years back, not our famous man flu , so I asked him to compare. He stated that although he was still feeling a bit rough last night he was on the mend and shoud be OK come Monday.....but obviously can't go to work for another week. The symptons were similar but the flu he had a while back knocked him out for around 2 weeks whereas this Covid was a few days.

Call 2 to my Son: He has a 21 month old daughter who started coughing a lot last weekend. He and his partner then started feeling rough late Monday, lost sense of smell and taste, had a dry rasping cough with energy levels dwindling. They are both teachers but obviously it was half term last week so neither had to work. By Tuesday his energy levels hit the floor and the cough worsened. Tried to book a test but no slots so swab tests were posted to them and taken on Wednesday and sent back. Still waiting the results but it looks likely they will be positive. He was feeling a lot beter last night but sounded a bit rough on the phone.

The good news is that although both felt like shit for a few days, the debilitating aspects of this virus is nothing like other flu strains in the past which can knock you out for a couple of weeks.

The bad news is that for some reason, which I am not privy to but have my suspicions, this virus has decimated our economy, decimated our freedoms and decimated the mental health, as well as physical health (non related) of many in this country.

This virus was expected to kill 500000 but the figure was approximately one tenth of this. No one says the virus is fake but at the end of the day it's a flu virus and nothing more.
Every year people die because of the flu and will continue to die as there is no cure. The Government has told countless lies to suit the agenda, while scientists, professors and doctors have spoken up and told truths about this virus.
Even if you are believing everything this lying government tells you, I suggest you have a look at what these professionals say to balance the argument.
The governments of the world have changed the world unless people rise up and challenge them for the truth.

As for the vaccine, I will never take it but I could guarantee that they will take your freedom from you if you dont.

WE ARE ALL MISSING THE REAL POINT
I am pissed off as the next person about all the restrictions on our lives ! however the point has to be stressed that we have to ensure that the NHS is not overrun, if that were to happen then the death toll and suffering in the community would be massive not from covid itself but from all the other medical problems faced by the human race.

100 years ago society did not have the NHS with the levels of treatment we all currently have available today, as a result of that life expectancy in some areas (Merthyr has been quoted) was as low as 40 years. We have to be mindful that the impact of this pandemic is far wider than the figures quoted in the media.
WE MUST NOT EXPOSE THE NHS TO OVERLOAD

WE ARE ALL MISSING THE REAL POINT
I am pissed off as the next person about all the restrictions on our lives ! however the point has to be stressed that we have to ensure that the NHS is not overrun, if that were to happen then the death toll and suffering in the community would be massive not from covid itself but from all the other medical problems faced by the human race.

100 years ago society did not have the NHS with the levels of treatment we all currently have available today, as a result of that life expectancy in some areas (Merthyr has been quoted) was as low as 40 years. We have to be mindful that the impact of this pandemic is far wider than the figures quoted in the media.
WE MUST NOT EXPOSE THE NHS TO OVERLOAD

With all due respect my friend, the NHS was in overload way before this flu type virus hit. You may ask yourself the question...."Why was that allowed to happen in Wales?"

You may then look at who is responsible for the Welsh NHS.......you may then go further to put 1 and 1 together to realise why the Dippmeister is bringing in such draconian measures. He wouldn't do it if Wales had to pay furlough etc.......FACT.

And yes I am being condescending....but not to you personally, but to all who just follow like sheep.

WE ARE ALL MISSING THE REAL POINT
I am pissed off as the next person about all the restrictions on our lives ! however the point has to be stressed that we have to ensure that the NHS is not overrun, if that were to happen then the death toll and suffering in the community would be massive not from covid itself but from all the other medical problems faced by the human race.

100 years ago society did not have the NHS with the levels of treatment we all currently have available today, as a result of that life expectancy in some areas (Merthyr has been quoted) was as low as 40 years. We have to be mindful that the impact of this pandemic is far wider than the figures quoted in the media.
WE MUST NOT EXPOSE THE NHS TO OVERLOAD

The NHS in Wales has never been overloaded due to Covid since all this flu nonsense started early this year.

As of last week for an example there were 4 cases of Covid in Llandough hospital and none were in ICU.
Somewhere around 8 - 10 cases in the Heath hospital.

With a test that is not accurate. Which makes those figures bullshit.

WE ARE ALL MISSING THE REAL POINT
I am pissed off as the next person about all the restrictions on our lives ! however the point has to be stressed that we have to ensure that the NHS is not overrun, if that were to happen then the death toll and suffering in the community would be massive not from covid itself but from all the other medical problems faced by the human race.

100 years ago society did not have the NHS with the levels of treatment we all currently have available today, as a result of that life expectancy in some areas (Merthyr has been quoted) was as low as 40 years. We have to be mindful that the impact of this pandemic is far wider than the figures quoted in the media.
WE MUST NOT EXPOSE THE NHS TO OVERLOAD

well youve mentioned the NHS being overun...it was but certainly not during the months of March , April and May or from
covid..the official bed occupancy figures have been put up on here umpteen times and it was the lowest in most peoples lifetimes.covid.having been prioritised over all the things more likely to kill you...and hospitals emptied.. the over reaction 100% has had the impact of sacrificing peoples lives who wouldnt have died but now will of a multitude of un diagnosed or untreated things...ive said it, others have said it, thousands of doctors have said it and the world health organisation have said it... and..100 years ago covid would have gone completely un noticed mate... people did not live to an average age of 84 let alone with multiple serious illnesses... Spanish flu { which is what your getting at } killed young , fit , working people.....

'Significant rate of increase' in cases - Whitty

England’s chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty says "virtually across the entire country now" there is a "significant rate of increase" in virus cases.

He says the prevalence of Covid has been going up "extremely rapidly" over the last few weeks" - having been "very flat" due to social distancing measures in the spring and summer.

Virus 'not constrained to one age group' - Whitty

Prof Whitty says we have "very little headroom" when it comes to the spread of the virus.

He says the virus doesn't remain constrained to one age group, and it is spreading into older age groups - people over the age of 60.

He adds there is a rise in the number of hospital admissions in England in "virtually every age group in older adults".

Genius

'Significant rate of increase' in cases - Whitty

England’s chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty says "virtually across the entire country now" there is a "significant rate of increase" in virus cases.

He says the prevalence of Covid has been going up "extremely rapidly" over the last few weeks" - having been "very flat" due to social distancing measures in the spring and summer.

Virus 'not constrained to one age group' - Whitty

Prof Whitty says we have "very little headroom" when it comes to the spread of the virus.

He says the virus doesn't remain constrained to one age group, and it is spreading into older age groups - people over the age of 60.

He adds there is a rise in the number of hospital admissions in England in "virtually every peeps have been sucked into the lie that you can....weird.y age group in older adults".

What do they expect....not rocket science is it?.....you cannot control a virus....FACT. I've never understood why certain peeps think we can....weird.

'Significant rate of increase' in cases - Whitty

England’s chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty says "virtually across the entire country now" there is a "significant rate of increase" in virus cases.

He says the prevalence of Covid has been going up "extremely rapidly" over the last few weeks" - having been "very flat" due to social distancing measures in the spring and summer.

Virus 'not constrained to one age group' - Whitty

Prof Whitty says we have "very little headroom" when it comes to the spread of the virus.

He says the virus doesn't remain constrained to one age group, and it is spreading into older age groups - people over the age of 60.

He adds there is a rise in the number of hospital admissions in England in "virtually every peeps have been sucked into the lie that you can....weird.y age group in older adults".

What do they expect....not rocket science is it?.....you cannot control a virus....FACT. I've never understood why certain peeps think we can....weird.

they expected and kept predicting a 2nd wave.. just forgot they had expected it.. the bit about social distancing during the summer ? are they real or what... we all saw the beaches rammed and there were hundreds of thousands jumping on rammed planes ffs...its just like all similar viruses.. more in winter, less in summer..

We'll never control covid spread compared to the likes of Germany. I know the education level is far better there, far less spupid people and a population who understands the issues and abides by the rules even though they dont like it.

But in UK everyones a expert, think they know better, break rules and easily swayed by internet shit. Good example is the hundreds of student parties being constantly broken up, Tosspot Raves, Asian weddings (same venue in Birmingham fined £10k in two weeks).
So UK will always be in the shit whoevers in Government...mind you Germans also tend to listen to mad facist leaders and take on the world every so often.

however the point has to be stressed that we have to ensure that the NHS is not overrun, if that were to happen then the death toll and suffering in the community would be massive not from covid itself but from all the other medical problems faced by the human race.

I cant get ny head around this logic. Lockdown will achieve the same impact, higher death rates from non-covid related deaths that could be avoided, a ruined economy and a broken community. Protecting the NHS at such a sacrifice now, to avoid the potential of having suffer exact the same loss in the future is madness.

however the point has to be stressed that we have to ensure that the NHS is not overrun, if that were to happen then the death toll and suffering in the community would be massive not from covid itself but from all the other medical problems faced by the human race.

I cant get ny head around this logic. Lockdown will achieve the same impact, higher death rates from non-covid related deaths that could be avoided, a ruined economy and a broken community. Protecting the NHS at such a sacrifice now, to avoid the potential of having suffer exact the same loss in the future is madness.

i havent understood it from the very beginning.. the NHS is there to protest us not the other way around.. on the news earlier a hospital in Liverpool has been cancelling what were described as life saving cancer opps... no doubt those that will now die can feel proud of themselves having maybe helped a person who has no quality of life live 2 months more...

We'll never control covid spread compared to the likes of Germany. I know the education level is far better there, far less spupid people and a population who understands the issues and abides by the rules even though they dont like it.

I don't think these 18K protesting Germans got the memo...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-53958428