Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:28 pm
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:43 pm
Ironsgeman wrote:In England and Wales over the last week over 20,000 new cases a day 1100 hospitalised everyday and 135 deaths a day and cases are rising,we have to do something to stem this rise. In Swansea Morriston hospital they have over 100 people with the virus and these numbers are mirrored in other Welsh hospitals and the flu season has not got going yet.
So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science and necessary given the runaway nature of the virus. In the end what ever they do they will be on a loser because armchair experts and conspiracy nutters will always say they should have done something different.
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:56 pm
Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:00 pm
Ironsgeman wrote:In England and Wales over the last week over 20,000 new cases a day 1100 hospitalised everyday and 135 deaths a day and cases are rising,we have to do something to stem this rise. In Swansea Morriston hospital they have over 100 people with the virus and these numbers are mirrored in other Welsh hospitals and the flu season has not got going yet.
So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science and necessary given the runaway nature of the virus. In the end what ever they do they will be on a loser because armchair experts and conspiracy nutters will always say they should have done something different.
Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:15 pm
Ironsgeman wrote:In England and Wales over the last week over 20,000 new cases a day 1100 hospitalised everyday and 135 deaths a day and cases are rising,we have to do something to stem this rise. In Swansea Morriston hospital they have over 100 people with the virus and these numbers are mirrored in other Welsh hospitals and the flu season has not got going yet.
So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science and necessary given the runaway nature of the virus. In the end what ever they do they will be on a loser because armchair experts and conspiracy nutters will always say they should have done something different.
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:52 am
marky1927 wrote:So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .
Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:27 am
davids wrote:Ironsgeman wrote:In England and Wales over the last week over 20,000 new cases a day 1100 hospitalised everyday and 135 deaths a day and cases are rising,we have to do something to stem this rise. In Swansea Morriston hospital they have over 100 people with the virus and these numbers are mirrored in other Welsh hospitals and the flu season has not got going yet.
So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science and necessary given the runaway nature of the virus. In the end what ever they do they will be on a loser because armchair experts and conspiracy nutters will always say they should have done something different.
Why does everybody who has any criticism of the way the government is handling the situation have to be a "conspiracy nutter"? Perhaps some people realise there is a virus which is dangerous to a very small number of the population and potentially fatal to a tiny number but feel that there has been a massive overreaction to this virus.
You quote the number of "cases", "hospitalisations" and"deaths" from the virus. How many cases, hospitalisations and deaths are there from other causes in the same time frame? Are we told about that? Are there any official figures available confirming exactly how many people have tested positive for the virus and made a full recovery?
If there are, they're certainly not being published every day in the same way that the new cases , hospitalisations and deaths are. I suppose "2000 people recover from covid today and a further 200 have now left hospital" doesn't quite have the same headline value as the number of deaths.
The science you mention comes from scientists who can't even agree on whether a lockdown such as we are experiencing now actually works or not.
It'll be interesting to see what happens at the end of the next two weeks. If infection rates fall significantly then will Drakeford and the WAG remove most of the lockdown restrictions? Of course not - he'll say that if he lifts them infections will rise again rapidly and we can't have that.
If infection rates do not come down in the next two weeks will he admit that the two week lockdown has been an abject failure? Of course not - he'll blame the population for not complying with the rules and regulations.
Contrary to what you say, whatever happens over the next two weeks the government in Wales can't lose.
Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:37 am
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Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:34 am
Ironsgeman wrote:So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science
Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:36 am
skidemin wrote: its still goes on and tbh is sort of understandable if they have been terrified by the media... calling others conspiracy theorists is simply self justification for their own unreasonable thoughts....
Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:15 am
marky1927 wrote:So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .
Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:29 am
Sven wrote:marky1927 wrote:So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .
The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'
To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:14 pm
Sven wrote:marky1927 wrote:So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .
The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'
To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:24 pm
Sven wrote:marky1927 wrote:So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .
The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'
To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:27 pm
ealing_ayatollah wrote:Ironsgeman wrote:So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science
I would love to know the scientific reason why shops can sell vodka but not baby clothes.
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:46 pm
Ironsgeman wrote:The 1000 hospitalisations per day are infections in the community not hospital acquired infections. The reason the Welsh government brought in the nonessential rule was two fold, fairness to shop forced to close, and to stop people from browsing, which is a way in which the virus can spread.
I think a lot of people who are criticising the rules need to understand the pressure that NHS staff are under not just doctors and nurses and paramedics but porters cleaners and all other staff. They should think about the families who have lost loved ones and those who will lose loved ones Instead of pleating about not being able to buy a new TV for 17 days.
The Welsh Government will early next week change the rules on Supermarkets because of public pressure not because they have different scientific advice,
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:52 pm
davids wrote:Sven wrote:marky1927 wrote:So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .
The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'
To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?
"Tourists" using the Hypermarkets for days out?![]()
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Not heard that one before. Can't say I've ever seen mum, dad and the kids taking their picnic hamper and frisbees into Tesco to spend a few happy hours playing in the aisles but maybe I missed that.
MInd you the way restrictions are being imposed willy nilly at the moment I guess a two week break at Aldis is about the best holiday we can look forward to for the next few years in Wales.
The point of this is not actually to do with the buying of a kettle or toaster - it's the fact that the WAG telling you what you can and can't buy has nothing to do with halting the spread of a virus and everything to do with them wanting to control what people are allowed to do.
If you're in a shop buying some vegetables how much extra time would you have to spend in there to buy a phone charger?
The next idea from WAG will be to set a strict limit on how long you can spend in a shop. From the moment you go through the door with your trolley you'll have five minutes to do your shopping or face a £10,000 fine, That'll stop the supermarket tourists - it'll be like Supermarket Sweep but with Covid Marshalls rather than Dale Winton.
That would be a great way of stopping the spread![]()
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:53 pm
maccydee wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:Ironsgeman wrote:So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science
I would love to know the scientific reason why shops can sell vodka but not baby clothes.
Vodka kills Covid. Fact!!!
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:57 pm
davids wrote:Sven wrote:marky1927 wrote:So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .
The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'
To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?
"Tourists" using the Hypermarkets for days out?![]()
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Not heard that one before. Can't say I've ever seen mum, dad and the kids taking their picnic hamper and frisbees into Tesco to spend a few happy hours playing in the aisles but maybe I missed that.
MInd you the way restrictions are being imposed willy nilly at the moment I guess a two week break at Aldis is about the best holiday we can look forward to for the next few years in Wales.
The point of this is not actually to do with the buying of a kettle or toaster - it's the fact that the WAG telling you what you can and can't buy has nothing to do with halting the spread of a virus and everything to do with them wanting to control what people are allowed to do.
If you're in a shop buying some vegetables how much extra time would you have to spend in there to buy a phone charger?
The next idea from WAG will be to set a strict limit on how long you can spend in a shop. From the moment you go through the door with your trolley you'll have five minutes to do your shopping or face a £10,000 fine, That'll stop the supermarket tourists - it'll be like Supermarket Sweep but with Covid Marshalls rather than Dale Winton.
That would be a great way of stopping the spread![]()
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:57 pm
Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:22 pm
Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:39 pm
ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:Anyone know how many people are in heath Hospital in Covid Ward ?
How many covid patients are in intensive care beds ?
I know - the answer may surprise you - the Heath has 3 covid patients and none of them are in intensive care.
Drakeford last week stated that critical care beds were reaching the limit in Wales. At the heath - they arent.
ITU is busy but not with covid patients.
I understand the reason behind what Drakeford and Co are doing - it's a just in case scenario. Infection rates are up (lower than England and lower than in April at the height though) - but hospital admissions for covid are way down.
Now remember when Johnson announced that the govt would be extending the renters protection scheme against eviction and many at WAG said the Govt had u-turned - I wonder if they'll say the same against Drakeford when he announcers he has relaxed the essential goods list.
This comes after a woman at the heath needed to buy a nightie for her elderly Mother as the one she had was covered in blood. The woman was refused by Tesco to purchase it. So instead she had to do the 40 mile trip home to get a spare one.
Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:45 pm
skidemin wrote:ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:Anyone know how many people are in heath Hospital in Covid Ward ?
How many covid patients are in intensive care beds ?
I know - the answer may surprise you - the Heath has 3 covid patients and none of them are in intensive care.
Drakeford last week stated that critical care beds were reaching the limit in Wales. At the heath - they arent.
ITU is busy but not with covid patients.
I understand the reason behind what Drakeford and Co are doing - it's a just in case scenario. Infection rates are up (lower than England and lower than in April at the height though) - but hospital admissions for covid are way down.
Now remember when Johnson announced that the govt would be extending the renters protection scheme against eviction and many at WAG said the Govt had u-turned - I wonder if they'll say the same against Drakeford when he announcers he has relaxed the essential goods list.
This comes after a woman at the heath needed to buy a nightie for her elderly Mother as the one she had was covered in blood. The woman was refused by Tesco to purchase it. So instead she had to do the 40 mile trip home to get a spare one.
what he did is whats been going on from day 1.... long speech about covid infections with a bit about hospitals and ICU beds at the end.. he did not lie...infections were higher....and bed occupancy is always high as is bed occupancy in ICU units..christ sake we wouldnt have hospitals if they were not in use/ needed ....he put up two dots and left if for joe public to join them..he did not.. he just said 2 separate facts one after the other..... they have not been straight up about lots of things, graphs that no child would get a tick for, claims of scientific advise but not saying from where and some pretty clever use of words.. covid related ? .. and dodgy numbers....
why not just be open and honest and show us all the cards not just the ones that are likely to manipulate peoples thinking ?
Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:46 pm
ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:Anyone know how many people are in heath Hospital in Covid Ward ?
How many covid patients are in intensive care beds ?
I know - the answer may surprise you - the Heath has 3 covid patients and none of them are in intensive care.
Drakeford last week stated that critical care beds were reaching the limit in Wales. At the heath - they arent.
ITU is busy but not with covid patients.
I understand the reason behind what Drakeford and Co are doing - it's a just in case scenario. Infection rates are up (lower than England and lower than in April at the height though) - but hospital admissions for covid are way down.
Now remember when Johnson announced that the govt would be extending the renters protection scheme against eviction and many at WAG said the Govt had u-turned - I wonder if they'll say the same against Drakeford when he announcers he has relaxed the essential goods list.
This comes after a woman at the heath needed to buy a nightie for her elderly Mother as the one she had was covered in blood. The woman was refused by Tesco to purchase it. So instead she had to do the 40 mile trip home to get a spare one.
Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:19 pm
ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:skidemin wrote:ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:Anyone know how many people are in heath Hospital in Covid Ward ?
How many covid patients are in intensive care beds ?
I know - the answer may surprise you - the Heath has 3 covid patients and none of them are in intensive care.
Drakeford last week stated that critical care beds were reaching the limit in Wales. At the heath - they arent.
ITU is busy but not with covid patients.
I understand the reason behind what Drakeford and Co are doing - it's a just in case scenario. Infection rates are up (lower than England and lower than in April at the height though) - but hospital admissions for covid are way down.
Now remember when Johnson announced that the govt would be extending the renters protection scheme against eviction and many at WAG said the Govt had u-turned - I wonder if they'll say the same against Drakeford when he announcers he has relaxed the essential goods list.
This comes after a woman at the heath needed to buy a nightie for her elderly Mother as the one she had was covered in blood. The woman was refused by Tesco to purchase it. So instead she had to do the 40 mile trip home to get a spare one.
what he did is whats been going on from day 1.... long speech about covid infections with a bit about hospitals and ICU beds at the end.. he did not lie...infections were higher....and bed occupancy is always high as is bed occupancy in ICU units..christ sake we wouldnt have hospitals if they were not in use/ needed ....he put up two dots and left if for joe public to join them..he did not.. he just said 2 separate facts one after the other..... they have not been straight up about lots of things, graphs that no child would get a tick for, claims of scientific advise but not saying from where and some pretty clever use of words.. covid related ? .. and dodgy numbers....
why not just be open and honest and show us all the cards not just the ones that are likely to manipulate peoples thinking ?
Maybe someone should ask Gething or Drakeford the following question :-
When was the last time you checked how many Covid patients are in Heath Hospital ?
They can either say they have never checked (which is competent beyond belief) and if they have checked then hopefully they can remember the figure they were given.
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Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:57 pm
pembroke allan wrote:The Latest reports are he wont be doing u-turn on shops and essentials... hes probably going to spout on about we are all in this together and this is vital if we ate going to beat this virus blah blah blah.... Winston Churchill drakeford
mmmm got a certain ring to it..