Why lockdown needed

In England and Wales over the last week over 20,000 new cases a day 1100 hospitalised everyday and 135 deaths a day and cases are rising,we have to do something to stem this rise. In Swansea Morriston hospital they have over 100 people with the virus and these numbers are mirrored in other Welsh hospitals and the flu season has not got going yet.
So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science and necessary given the runaway nature of the virus. In the end what ever they do they will be on a loser because armchair experts and conspiracy nutters will always say they should have done something different.

In England and Wales over the last week over 20,000 new cases a day 1100 hospitalised everyday and 135 deaths a day and cases are rising,we have to do something to stem this rise. In Swansea Morriston hospital they have over 100 people with the virus and these numbers are mirrored in other Welsh hospitals and the flu season has not got going yet.
So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science and necessary given the runaway nature of the virus. In the end what ever they do they will be on a loser because armchair experts and conspiracy nutters will always say they should have done something different.

Morrison cases started in the hospital same in royal glamorgan and they're not only hospitals to be start of covid cases. nothing to do with the public that is separate issue! drakeford only uses advisers when it suites him! Numerous occasions advisors tell him something he does opposite just like this 17 day lockdown all experts say it wont work yet he is carrying on with it why? If going to lockdown do it properly for the correct length of time that experts say is needed... what happens if this 17days fail to reduce infections remove lockdown? So what was pointing 1st place ignoring experts he bases his decisions on....

So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .

In England and Wales over the last week over 20,000 new cases a day 1100 hospitalised everyday and 135 deaths a day and cases are rising,we have to do something to stem this rise. In Swansea Morriston hospital they have over 100 people with the virus and these numbers are mirrored in other Welsh hospitals and the flu season has not got going yet.
So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science and necessary given the runaway nature of the virus. In the end what ever they do they will be on a loser because armchair experts and conspiracy nutters will always say they should have done something different.

Why does everybody who has any criticism of the way the government is handling the situation have to be a "conspiracy nutter"? Perhaps some people realise there is a virus which is dangerous to a very small number of the population and potentially fatal to a tiny number but feel that there has been a massive overreaction to this virus.

You quote the number of "cases", "hospitalisations" and"deaths" from the virus. How many cases, hospitalisations and deaths are there from other causes in the same time frame? Are we told about that? Are there any official figures available confirming exactly how many people have tested positive for the virus and made a full recovery?

If there are, they're certainly not being published every day in the same way that the new cases , hospitalisations and deaths are. I suppose "2000 people recover from covid today and a further 200 have now left hospital" doesn't quite have the same headline value as the number of deaths.

The science you mention comes from scientists who can't even agree on whether a lockdown such as we are experiencing now actually works or not.

It'll be interesting to see what happens at the end of the next two weeks. If infection rates fall significantly then will Drakeford and the WAG remove most of the lockdown restrictions? Of course not - he'll say that if he lifts them infections will rise again rapidly and we can't have that.

If infection rates do not come down in the next two weeks will he admit that the two week lockdown has been an abject failure? Of course not - he'll blame the population for not complying with the rules and regulations.

Contrary to what you say, whatever happens over the next two weeks the government in Wales can't lose.

In England and Wales over the last week over 20,000 new cases a day 1100 hospitalised everyday and 135 deaths a day and cases are rising,we have to do something to stem this rise. In Swansea Morriston hospital they have over 100 people with the virus and these numbers are mirrored in other Welsh hospitals and the flu season has not got going yet.
So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science and necessary given the runaway nature of the virus. In the end what ever they do they will be on a loser because armchair experts and conspiracy nutters will always say they should have done something different.

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So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .

The main reason for spread of virus is people socialising in homes and pubs according to WG! going shopping is not mixing socially by any stretch of imagination.... the measures hes announced as alienating people against WG which in turn is making people think WG dont know what they doing regarding covid ..... stick to what is causing rise in covid and perhaps people will take WG seriously! appearing to punish people is not way forward.

In England and Wales over the last week over 20,000 new cases a day 1100 hospitalised everyday and 135 deaths a day and cases are rising,we have to do something to stem this rise. In Swansea Morriston hospital they have over 100 people with the virus and these numbers are mirrored in other Welsh hospitals and the flu season has not got going yet.
So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science and necessary given the runaway nature of the virus. In the end what ever they do they will be on a loser because armchair experts and conspiracy nutters will always say they should have done something different.

Why does everybody who has any criticism of the way the government is handling the situation have to be a "conspiracy nutter"? Perhaps some people realise there is a virus which is dangerous to a very small number of the population and potentially fatal to a tiny number but feel that there has been a massive overreaction to this virus.

You quote the number of "cases", "hospitalisations" and"deaths" from the virus. How many cases, hospitalisations and deaths are there from other causes in the same time frame? Are we told about that? Are there any official figures available confirming exactly how many people have tested positive for the virus and made a full recovery?

If there are, they're certainly not being published every day in the same way that the new cases , hospitalisations and deaths are. I suppose "2000 people recover from covid today and a further 200 have now left hospital" doesn't quite have the same headline value as the number of deaths.

The science you mention comes from scientists who can't even agree on whether a lockdown such as we are experiencing now actually works or not.

It'll be interesting to see what happens at the end of the next two weeks. If infection rates fall significantly then will Drakeford and the WAG remove most of the lockdown restrictions? Of course not - he'll say that if he lifts them infections will rise again rapidly and we can't have that.

If infection rates do not come down in the next two weeks will he admit that the two week lockdown has been an abject failure? Of course not - he'll blame the population for not complying with the rules and regulations.

Contrary to what you say, whatever happens over the next two weeks the government in Wales can't lose.

interesting or frustrating ?
because you are spot on... if figures go up it will be A } people have not complied with rules but produce zero evidence of the virus spreading through any of these wrong doers...and B} it would be higher had we not locked down.. they have not put a number on it so therefore can not lose...
agree about the conspiracy theorists remarks.....every single lie , exaggeration and false stat ive read since this started has come from those scared beyond reason...its still goes on and tbh is sort of understandable if they have been terrified by the media... calling others conspiracy theorists is simply self justification for their own unreasonable thoughts....

They've got to try something to bring it down. Quick sharp shock is needed.

It wont work though cause people think they know better. Big foot believers and flat earth followers.

We are fu..., , look after your loved ones everyone cause this is just the beginning.

The 1000 hospitalisations per day are infections in the community not hospital acquired infections. The reason the Welsh government brought in the nonessential rule was two fold, fairness to shop forced to close, and to stop people from browsing, which is a way in which the virus can spread.
I think a lot of people who are criticising the rules need to understand the pressure that NHS staff are under not just doctors and nurses and paramedics but porters cleaners and all other staff. They should think about the families who have lost loved ones and those who will lose loved ones Instead of pleating about not being able to buy a new TV for 17 days.
The Welsh Government will early next week change the rules on Supermarkets because of public pressure not because they have different scientific advice,

So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science

I would love to know the scientific reason why shops can sell vodka but not baby clothes.

its still goes on and tbh is sort of understandable if they have been terrified by the media... calling others conspiracy theorists is simply self justification for their own unreasonable thoughts....

That is a very, very shrewed observation.

So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .

The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'

To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?

So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .

The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'

To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?

Chris why not simply say only one person allowed in supermarket that would stop tourists as you put it? The rationale for his decision is sound but in bigger picture it appears to be illogical to be able to buy alcohol but not childrens clothing ect.... hes targeted the supposed to be places for covid increases houses pubs ect is there a need to close any shops when masks are mandatory... anyway he is already signaling that this lockdown is not going to work by saying lockdown in new year is highly likely! And that will bring same problems as this one public fatigue... stop start is counter productive for everyone from nhs to businesses... perhaps 6month lockdown is better in long run?

So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .

The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'

To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?

"Tourists" using the Hypermarkets for days out?

Not heard that one before. Can't say I've ever seen mum, dad and the kids taking their picnic hamper and frisbees into Tesco to spend a few happy hours playing in the aisles but maybe I missed that.

MInd you the way restrictions are being imposed willy nilly at the moment I guess a two week break at Aldis is about the best holiday we can look forward to for the next few years in Wales.

The point of this is not actually to do with the buying of a kettle or toaster - it's the fact that the WAG telling you what you can and can't buy has nothing to do with halting the spread of a virus and everything to do with them wanting to control what people are allowed to do.

If you're in a shop buying some vegetables how much extra time would you have to spend in there to buy a phone charger?

The next idea from WAG will be to set a strict limit on how long you can spend in a shop. From the moment you go through the door with your trolley you'll have five minutes to do your shopping or face a £10,000 fine, That'll stop the supermarket tourists - it'll be like Supermarket Sweep but with Covid Marshalls rather than Dale Winton.

That would be a great way of stopping the spread

So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .

The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'

To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?

ah right....been wondering how places like merthyr and caerphilly became hot spots all while he was blaming English tourists... and theres me thinking they were heading for the beaches.

So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science

I would love to know the scientific reason why shops can sell vodka but not baby clothes.

Vodka kills Covid. Fact!!!

The 1000 hospitalisations per day are infections in the community not hospital acquired infections. The reason the Welsh government brought in the nonessential rule was two fold, fairness to shop forced to close, and to stop people from browsing, which is a way in which the virus can spread.
I think a lot of people who are criticising the rules need to understand the pressure that NHS staff are under not just doctors and nurses and paramedics but porters cleaners and all other staff. They should think about the families who have lost loved ones and those who will lose loved ones Instead of pleating about not being able to buy a new TV for 17 days.
The Welsh Government will early next week change the rules on Supermarkets because of public pressure not because they have different scientific advice,

try thinking about the loved ones whose deaths were avoidable who were not 80 odd with multiple illnesses... and the families of those who will die in the future because of this selfishness... you wont because your happy to be scared and want others to be as scared as you are .. if thats not conspiring i dont know what is.... there is zero science behind this.. and no targets...its a very clever zero sum game where whatever the result it will be claimed a win by those making and supporting these policies for purely personal reasons....eg..39,500 people die during a 3 month disaster of a lockdown and we have people actually claiming it worked...yeah ok...

So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .

The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'

To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?

"Tourists" using the Hypermarkets for days out?

Not heard that one before. Can't say I've ever seen mum, dad and the kids taking their picnic hamper and frisbees into Tesco to spend a few happy hours playing in the aisles but maybe I missed that.

MInd you the way restrictions are being imposed willy nilly at the moment I guess a two week break at Aldis is about the best holiday we can look forward to for the next few years in Wales.

The point of this is not actually to do with the buying of a kettle or toaster - it's the fact that the WAG telling you what you can and can't buy has nothing to do with halting the spread of a virus and everything to do with them wanting to control what people are allowed to do.

If you're in a shop buying some vegetables how much extra time would you have to spend in there to buy a phone charger?

The next idea from WAG will be to set a strict limit on how long you can spend in a shop. From the moment you go through the door with your trolley you'll have five minutes to do your shopping or face a £10,000 fine, That'll stop the supermarket tourists - it'll be like Supermarket Sweep but with Covid Marshalls rather than Dale Winton.

That would be a great way of stopping the spread

got to say..there is no need for time limits as there are already limits on numbers of customers in place... shopping has become easier not because the restrictions are no longer there but because the supermarkets have not been near those restricted figures...

So please stop criticism of our governments and try to understand why they are having to do things they don’t really want to but are advised by the science

I would love to know the scientific reason why shops can sell vodka but not baby clothes.

Vodka kills Covid. Fact!!!

So does Malt Whisky,,, especially the Cask Strength variants.

So why stop people from buying clothes ,games ,electrical items what has this got to do with controlling the virus , you have got to keep the people on your side when imposing restrictions and the WAG have just lost the publics support with this ridiculous decision .

The idea, right or wrong, is to stop the inevitable 'tourists' using the Hypermarkets for 'family days out'

To be fair to Drakeford (and WAG) he is currently reviewing the situation but the idea is that we only go out to buy 'essentials' for the next two weeks and anyone with any sense must surely understand that with few exceptions most of the items currently covered over are far from 'essential' in a lockdown?

"Tourists" using the Hypermarkets for days out?

Not heard that one before. Can't say I've ever seen mum, dad and the kids taking their picnic hamper and frisbees into Tesco to spend a few happy hours playing in the aisles but maybe I missed that.

MInd you the way restrictions are being imposed willy nilly at the moment I guess a two week break at Aldis is about the best holiday we can look forward to for the next few years in Wales.

The point of this is not actually to do with the buying of a kettle or toaster - it's the fact that the WAG telling you what you can and can't buy has nothing to do with halting the spread of a virus and everything to do with them wanting to control what people are allowed to do.

If you're in a shop buying some vegetables how much extra time would you have to spend in there to buy a phone charger?

The next idea from WAG will be to set a strict limit on how long you can spend in a shop. From the moment you go through the door with your trolley you'll have five minutes to do your shopping or face a £10,000 fine, That'll stop the supermarket tourists - it'll be like Supermarket Sweep but with Covid Marshalls rather than Dale Winton.

That would be a great way of stopping the spread

Good idea but tourists not allowed in wales or two different households are not allowed to meet indoors including shops! ...... anyway he's scored own goal with stopping people buying certain items in shops whatever the reasons for doing so..

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The loss of life due to cancers, untreated illnesses, suicide, economic ruin for many businesses, will make this nasty virus look like a walk in the park. Phone your local hospital and ask how many have died of pneumonia, sepsis et al will you get an answer will you f**k. As for the overwhelming of the NHS what bollocks it never was in the first instance. Spread fear and terror through the community through inane media outlets and witless anchors and what do we have ? But what do you honestly expect when we have Mr Driftwood in charge a third rate moron who has kissed arse all his life gone to meetings and carried bags. Now he has his reward and we are the poor fuckers paying the price.

Anyone know how many people are in heath Hospital in Covid Ward ?
How many covid patients are in intensive care beds ?

I know - the answer may surprise you - the Heath has 3 covid patients and none of them are in intensive care.
Drakeford last week stated that critical care beds were reaching the limit in Wales. At the heath - they arent.

ITU is busy but not with covid patients.

I understand the reason behind what Drakeford and Co are doing - it's a just in case scenario. Infection rates are up (lower than England and lower than in April at the height though) - but hospital admissions for covid are way down.

Now remember when Johnson announced that the govt would be extending the renters protection scheme against eviction and many at WAG said the Govt had u-turned - I wonder if they'll say the same against Drakeford when he announcers he has relaxed the essential goods list.

This comes after a woman at the heath needed to buy a nightie for her elderly Mother as the one she had was covered in blood. The woman was refused by Tesco to purchase it. So instead she had to do the 40 mile trip home to get a spare one.

Anyone know how many people are in heath Hospital in Covid Ward ?
How many covid patients are in intensive care beds ?

I know - the answer may surprise you - the Heath has 3 covid patients and none of them are in intensive care.
Drakeford last week stated that critical care beds were reaching the limit in Wales. At the heath - they arent.

ITU is busy but not with covid patients.

I understand the reason behind what Drakeford and Co are doing - it's a just in case scenario. Infection rates are up (lower than England and lower than in April at the height though) - but hospital admissions for covid are way down.

Now remember when Johnson announced that the govt would be extending the renters protection scheme against eviction and many at WAG said the Govt had u-turned - I wonder if they'll say the same against Drakeford when he announcers he has relaxed the essential goods list.

This comes after a woman at the heath needed to buy a nightie for her elderly Mother as the one she had was covered in blood. The woman was refused by Tesco to purchase it. So instead she had to do the 40 mile trip home to get a spare one.

what he did is whats been going on from day 1.... long speech about covid infections with a bit about hospitals and ICU beds at the end.. he did not lie...infections were higher....and bed occupancy is always high as is bed occupancy in ICU units..christ sake we wouldnt have hospitals if they were not in use/ needed ....he put up two dots and left if for joe public to join them..he did not.. he just said 2 separate facts one after the other..... they have not been straight up about lots of things, graphs that no child would get a tick for, claims of scientific advise but not saying from where and some pretty clever use of words.. covid related ? .. and dodgy numbers....
why not just be open and honest and show us all the cards not just the ones that are likely to manipulate peoples thinking ?

Anyone know how many people are in heath Hospital in Covid Ward ?
How many covid patients are in intensive care beds ?

I know - the answer may surprise you - the Heath has 3 covid patients and none of them are in intensive care.
Drakeford last week stated that critical care beds were reaching the limit in Wales. At the heath - they arent.

ITU is busy but not with covid patients.

I understand the reason behind what Drakeford and Co are doing - it's a just in case scenario. Infection rates are up (lower than England and lower than in April at the height though) - but hospital admissions for covid are way down.

Now remember when Johnson announced that the govt would be extending the renters protection scheme against eviction and many at WAG said the Govt had u-turned - I wonder if they'll say the same against Drakeford when he announcers he has relaxed the essential goods list.

This comes after a woman at the heath needed to buy a nightie for her elderly Mother as the one she had was covered in blood. The woman was refused by Tesco to purchase it. So instead she had to do the 40 mile trip home to get a spare one.

what he did is whats been going on from day 1.... long speech about covid infections with a bit about hospitals and ICU beds at the end.. he did not lie...infections were higher....and bed occupancy is always high as is bed occupancy in ICU units..christ sake we wouldnt have hospitals if they were not in use/ needed ....he put up two dots and left if for joe public to join them..he did not.. he just said 2 separate facts one after the other..... they have not been straight up about lots of things, graphs that no child would get a tick for, claims of scientific advise but not saying from where and some pretty clever use of words.. covid related ? .. and dodgy numbers....
why not just be open and honest and show us all the cards not just the ones that are likely to manipulate peoples thinking ?

Maybe someone should ask Gething or Drakeford the following question :-

When was the last time you checked how many Covid patients are in Heath Hospital ?

They can either say they have never checked (which is competent beyond belief) and if they have checked then hopefully they can remember the figure they were given.

Anyone know how many people are in heath Hospital in Covid Ward ?
How many covid patients are in intensive care beds ?

I know - the answer may surprise you - the Heath has 3 covid patients and none of them are in intensive care.
Drakeford last week stated that critical care beds were reaching the limit in Wales. At the heath - they arent.

ITU is busy but not with covid patients.

I understand the reason behind what Drakeford and Co are doing - it's a just in case scenario. Infection rates are up (lower than England and lower than in April at the height though) - but hospital admissions for covid are way down.

Now remember when Johnson announced that the govt would be extending the renters protection scheme against eviction and many at WAG said the Govt had u-turned - I wonder if they'll say the same against Drakeford when he announcers he has relaxed the essential goods list.

This comes after a woman at the heath needed to buy a nightie for her elderly Mother as the one she had was covered in blood. The woman was refused by Tesco to purchase it. So instead she had to do the 40 mile trip home to get a spare one.

Fugures put out dont match reality! All through this crisis figures have been manipulated to suit experts agenda... and WG just put out figures and say its scientific evidence without putting figures in public domain. Lost count them saying its scientific evidence when the scientists say opposite like this 17day lockdown havent seen one expert say it will work yet WG are doing it?

Anyone know how many people are in heath Hospital in Covid Ward ?
How many covid patients are in intensive care beds ?

I know - the answer may surprise you - the Heath has 3 covid patients and none of them are in intensive care.
Drakeford last week stated that critical care beds were reaching the limit in Wales. At the heath - they arent.

ITU is busy but not with covid patients.

I understand the reason behind what Drakeford and Co are doing - it's a just in case scenario. Infection rates are up (lower than England and lower than in April at the height though) - but hospital admissions for covid are way down.

Now remember when Johnson announced that the govt would be extending the renters protection scheme against eviction and many at WAG said the Govt had u-turned - I wonder if they'll say the same against Drakeford when he announcers he has relaxed the essential goods list.

This comes after a woman at the heath needed to buy a nightie for her elderly Mother as the one she had was covered in blood. The woman was refused by Tesco to purchase it. So instead she had to do the 40 mile trip home to get a spare one.

what he did is whats been going on from day 1.... long speech about covid infections with a bit about hospitals and ICU beds at the end.. he did not lie...infections were higher....and bed occupancy is always high as is bed occupancy in ICU units..christ sake we wouldnt have hospitals if they were not in use/ needed ....he put up two dots and left if for joe public to join them..he did not.. he just said 2 separate facts one after the other..... they have not been straight up about lots of things, graphs that no child would get a tick for, claims of scientific advise but not saying from where and some pretty clever use of words.. covid related ? .. and dodgy numbers....
why not just be open and honest and show us all the cards not just the ones that are likely to manipulate peoples thinking ?

Maybe someone should ask Gething or Drakeford the following question :-

When was the last time you checked how many Covid patients are in Heath Hospital ?

They can either say they have never checked (which is competent beyond belief) and if they have checked then hopefully they can remember the figure they were given.

journos havent asked hundreds if not thousands of like questions for months mate...they have let us down as much as the politicians have... just open honest questions. like why has a graph showing how many infections per 100,000 people has been reduced to a scale of zero to 200 and not the full graph up to 100k... the answer of course is to massively emphasise the upturn... not a lie, just deliberately misleading... and the phobes shout la la la,, close their eyes and come back with conspiracy theorists.... yep.. unfortunately our government have conspired to mislead us for months... personally i think its a case of the truth might not be frightening enough so avoid it... others seeing things wrong will look for things that make more sense to them , no matter how bizzare than the nonsense they are being fed makes.

Day out in a hyper market.. what sort of saddo does that..

So you believe everything you are told by lying politicians. The hospitals are full he NHS can’t cope FALSE It’s killing 800 odd a day FALSE LIES And now they are saying the hospitals are filling up again FALSE LIES. And not to mention these tests that are not accurate. You carry on being a good little sheep

The Latest reports are he wont be doing u-turn on shops and essentials... hes probably going to spout on about we are all in this together and this is vital if we ate going to beat this virus blah blah blah.... Winston Churchill drakeford
mmmm got a certain ring to it..

The Latest reports are he wont be doing u-turn on shops and essentials... hes probably going to spout on about we are all in this together and this is vital if we ate going to beat this virus blah blah blah.... Winston Churchill drakeford
mmmm got a certain ring to it..

Willing to completely dismiss a petition signed by a significant number of citizens of the country he currently runs just like a dictatorship.

Hopefully the people of Wales will remember this and treat this despot and his cronies in the same dismissive way at the next WAG elections.

Unless they get cancelled of course by the time they come round.

"In the public interest to stop the spread of the virus at the polling booths" of course.