Interesting article

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Here is something you are unlikely to learn via the BBC.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/em ... s_01.shtml

In the 17th century the seas around Britain were ruled by North African Muslim Slavers. They stopped
British ships and carried off the crews to be sold as slaves in Algiers and Tripoli.

The situation became so bad that fishermen from Devon and Cornwall wouldn’t put out to sea in case they were captured by North African Slave Traders.

Between 1609 and 1616, 466 British ships were captured by Slave Traders in the English Channel, Irish Sea and North Atlantic, and the crews were sold into slavery.

In 1625 a raiding party landed at Mount’s Bay in Cornwall and 60 people who had taken refuge in a local church were dragged out, loaded up and taken off to Africa to be sold as slaves.

On 12 August 1625 the Mayor of Plymouth wrote to London for military help after 27 ships had been seized by North African Muslim Slave Traders in just 10 days.

In 1645, 240 people were seized as slaves in Cornwall.

The situation only began to change after the end of the English Civil War when the Royal Navy was built up under Oliver Cromwell. By 1700, North African Slavers generally knew better than to bother the British Isles in the search for slaves because of the Royal Navy.

It was a triumph that Britain was finally able to control its own coastal waters.

It was in commemoration of this that in 1740, James Thompson wrote ‘Rule Britannia’.

It is a hymn of thanksgiving rather than a proclamation of aggressive Nationalism.

If you get this far and are interested to learn more, read "White Gold" by Giles Milton.

Because if this would a white lives matter or British lives matter be acceptable ? Hmmmm

Copied and pasted before anyone says you didn’t write that.
Here is something you are unlikely to learn via the BBC.

In the 17th century the seas around Britain were ruled by North African Muslim Slavers. They stopped
British ships and carried off the crews to be sold as slaves in Algiers and Tripoli.

The situation became so bad that fishermen from Devon and Cornwall wouldn’t put out to sea in case they were captured by North African Slave Traders.

Between 1609 and 1616, 466 British ships were captured by Slave Traders in the English Channel, Irish Sea and North Atlantic, and the crews were sold into slavery.

In 1625 a raiding party landed at Mount’s Bay in Cornwall and 60 people who had taken refuge in a local church were dragged out, loaded up and taken off to Africa to be sold as slaves.

On 12 August 1625 the Mayor of Plymouth wrote to London for military help after 27 ships had been seized by North African Muslim Slave Traders in just 10 days.

In 1645, 240 people were seized as slaves in Cornwall.

The situation only began to change after the end of the English Civil War when the Royal Navy was built up under Oliver Cromwell. By 1700, North African Slavers generally knew better than to bother the British Isles in the search for slaves because of the Royal Navy.

It was a triumph that Britain was finally able to control its own coastal waters.

It was in commemoration of this that in 1740, James Thompson wrote ‘Rule Britannia’.

It is a hymn of thanksgiving rather than a proclamation of aggressive Nationalism.

If you get this far and are interested to learn more, read "White Gold" by Giles Milton.

I've seen this article before and it concerns me as it is totally untrue, another example of made-up history by people who have an agenda an unfortunately it's believed by some people.
In 1588 the Spanish Armada were crushed making the British/English navy rulers of the oceans and yet the article claims that slave traders were running riot in our waters!
When I first saw this article I made extensive research to see if there was any truth in it. I failed to find any truth at all.

As for the history of Rule Britannia you'll find it here...https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

It's part of our history that goes largely ignored, doubt it has been taught in schools. The people of this country have been enslaved by vikings, Romans and the muslim Barbary pirates.

Copied and pasted before anyone says you didn’t write that.
Here is something you are unlikely to learn via the BBC.

In the 17th century the seas around Britain were ruled by North African Muslim Slavers. They stopped
British ships and carried off the crews to be sold as slaves in Algiers and Tripoli.

The situation became so bad that fishermen from Devon and Cornwall wouldn’t put out to sea in case they were captured by North African Slave Traders.

Between 1609 and 1616, 466 British ships were captured by Slave Traders in the English Channel, Irish Sea and North Atlantic, and the crews were sold into slavery.

In 1625 a raiding party landed at Mount’s Bay in Cornwall and 60 people who had taken refuge in a local church were dragged out, loaded up and taken off to Africa to be sold as slaves.

On 12 August 1625 the Mayor of Plymouth wrote to London for military help after 27 ships had been seized by North African Muslim Slave Traders in just 10 days.

In 1645, 240 people were seized as slaves in Cornwall.

The situation only began to change after the end of the English Civil War when the Royal Navy was built up under Oliver Cromwell. By 1700, North African Slavers generally knew better than to bother the British Isles in the search for slaves because of the Royal Navy.

It was a triumph that Britain was finally able to control its own coastal waters.

It was in commemoration of this that in 1740, James Thompson wrote ‘Rule Britannia’.

It is a hymn of thanksgiving rather than a proclamation of aggressive Nationalism.

If you get this far and are interested to learn more, read "White Gold" by Giles Milton.

I've seen this article before and it concerns me as it is totally untrue, another example of made-up history by people who have an agenda an unfortunately it's believed by some people.
In 1588 the Spanish Armada were crushed making the British/English navy rulers of the oceans and yet the article claims that slave traders were running riot in our waters!
When I first saw this article I made extensive research to see if there was any truth in it. I failed to find any truth at all.

As for the history of Rule Britannia you'll find it here...https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

Here you go so do you still say it’s a fake article ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/em ... s_01.shtml

Well it goes to show those with agendas don’t want to debate just removed as a sticky because it tells uncomfortable truths. Some say it’s fake and then someone removes the sticky.
Back as a sticky and if the truth hurts then tough lol

Copied and pasted before anyone says you didn’t write that.
Here is something you are unlikely to learn via the BBC.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/em ... s_01.shtml

Is this a joke? Something you won't learn from the BBC followed by a link to a BBC article.

Copied and pasted before anyone says you didn’t write that.
Here is something you are unlikely to learn via the BBC.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/em ... s_01.shtml

Is this a joke? Something you won't learn from the BBC followed by a link to a BBC article.

well spotted.... bit of a schoolboy error by nukes..
but i think the point is valid... we are and have been spoon fed the how horrible our ancestors were and how guilty we should feel for months over things that happened hundreds of years ago... all while big chunks of our own very similar history have been brushed under the carpet...

Because if this would a white lives matter or British lives matter be acceptable ? Hmmmm

seems to be a bit of a power struggle going on in the sticky department...it is, it isnt, it is,,it isnt...

Copied and pasted before anyone says you didn’t write that.
Here is something you are unlikely to learn via the BBC.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/em ... s_01.shtml

Is this a joke? Something you won't learn from the BBC followed by a link to a BBC article.

well spotted.... bit of a schoolboy error by nukes..
but i think the point is valid... we are and have been spoon fed the how horrible our ancestors were and how guilty we should feel for months over things that happened hundreds of years ago... all while big chunks of our own very similar history have been brushed under the carpet...

Yes I did see it after I posted. I found the link after the first post and I thought some eagle eyed tw*t will pick up on it

Copied and pasted before anyone says you didn’t write that.
Here is something you are unlikely to learn via the BBC.

In the 17th century the seas around Britain were ruled by North African Muslim Slavers. They stopped
British ships and carried off the crews to be sold as slaves in Algiers and Tripoli.

The situation became so bad that fishermen from Devon and Cornwall wouldn’t put out to sea in case they were captured by North African Slave Traders.

Between 1609 and 1616, 466 British ships were captured by Slave Traders in the English Channel, Irish Sea and North Atlantic, and the crews were sold into slavery.

In 1625 a raiding party landed at Mount’s Bay in Cornwall and 60 people who had taken refuge in a local church were dragged out, loaded up and taken off to Africa to be sold as slaves.

On 12 August 1625 the Mayor of Plymouth wrote to London for military help after 27 ships had been seized by North African Muslim Slave Traders in just 10 days.

In 1645, 240 people were seized as slaves in Cornwall.

The situation only began to change after the end of the English Civil War when the Royal Navy was built up under Oliver Cromwell. By 1700, North African Slavers generally knew better than to bother the British Isles in the search for slaves because of the Royal Navy.

It was a triumph that Britain was finally able to control its own coastal waters.

It was in commemoration of this that in 1740, James Thompson wrote ‘Rule Britannia’.

It is a hymn of thanksgiving rather than a proclamation of aggressive Nationalism.

If you get this far and are interested to learn more, read "White Gold" by Giles Milton.

I've seen this article before and it concerns me as it is totally untrue, another example of made-up history by people who have an agenda an unfortunately it's believed by some people.
In 1588 the Spanish Armada were crushed making the British/English navy rulers of the oceans and yet the article claims that slave traders were running riot in our waters!
When I first saw this article I made extensive research to see if there was any truth in it. I failed to find any truth at all.

As for the history of Rule Britannia you'll find it here...https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

why are you so afraid of the truth...you clearly have not researched it AT ALL ..

back as a sticky

back as a sticky

It's like being down Barry island playing the whack-a-mole game.

back as a sticky

It's like being down Barry island playing the whack-a-mole game.

back as a sticky

It's like being down Barry island playing the whack-a-mole game.

Well it’s gone again as a sticky in a new game of moderator wars There is clearly a moderator who objects to my vids taking down my threads or removing a sticky.
Clearly can’t debate even took down a comment of mine on this thread. Wish he would explain why he is doing that and playing Hokey Cokey with this thread. Very childish I don’t agree so I just use the delete button

back as a sticky

It's like being down Barry island playing the whack-a-mole game.

Well it’s gone again as a sticky in a new game of moderator wars There is clearly a moderator who objects to my vids taking down my threads or removing a sticky.
Clearly can’t debate even took down a comment of mine on this thread. Wish he would explain why he is doing that and playing Hokey Cokey with this thread. Very childish I don’t agree so I just use the delete button

the western nations were the only ones who ever questioned and eventually banned slavery no other empires ever thought it was a problem then and now.

Its still happening in arabia

back as a sticky

It's like being down Barry island playing the whack-a-mole game.

Well it’s gone again as a sticky in a new game of moderator wars There is clearly a moderator who objects to my vids taking down my threads or removing a sticky.
Clearly can’t debate even took down a comment of mine on this thread. Wish he would explain why he is doing that and playing Hokey Cokey with this thread. Very childish I don’t agree so I just use the delete button

the western nations were the only ones who ever questioned and eventually banned slavery no other empires ever thought it was a problem then and now.

Its still happening in arabia

Yeah happening everywhere even in The U.K. Those in these car washes are just basically slaves. But this thread proves one thing these hard line lefties won’t debate they don’t know how to. This is how they work suppress free speech. But that hard line lefties for you

back as a sticky

It's like being down Barry island playing the whack-a-mole game.

Well it’s gone again as a sticky in a new game of moderator wars There is clearly a moderator who objects to my vids taking down my threads or removing a sticky.
Clearly can’t debate even took down a comment of mine on this thread. Wish he would explain why he is doing that and playing Hokey Cokey with this thread. Very childish I don’t agree so I just use the delete button

the western nations were the only ones who ever questioned and eventually banned slavery no other empires ever thought it was a problem then and now.

Its still happening in arabia

Yeah happening everywhere even in The U.K. Those in these car washes are just basically slaves. But this thread proves one thing these hard line lefties won’t debate they don’t know how to. This is how they work suppress free speech. But that hard line lefties for you

What ? Car washes? WTF ?

Copied and pasted before anyone says you didn’t write that.
Here is something you are unlikely to learn via the BBC.

In the 17th century the seas around Britain were ruled by North African Muslim Slavers. They stopped
British ships and carried off the crews to be sold as slaves in Algiers and Tripoli.

The situation became so bad that fishermen from Devon and Cornwall wouldn’t put out to sea in case they were captured by North African Slave Traders.

Between 1609 and 1616, 466 British ships were captured by Slave Traders in the English Channel, Irish Sea and North Atlantic, and the crews were sold into slavery.

In 1625 a raiding party landed at Mount’s Bay in Cornwall and 60 people who had taken refuge in a local church were dragged out, loaded up and taken off to Africa to be sold as slaves.

On 12 August 1625 the Mayor of Plymouth wrote to London for military help after 27 ships had been seized by North African Muslim Slave Traders in just 10 days.

In 1645, 240 people were seized as slaves in Cornwall.

The situation only began to change after the end of the English Civil War when the Royal Navy was built up under Oliver Cromwell. By 1700, North African Slavers generally knew better than to bother the British Isles in the search for slaves because of the Royal Navy.

It was a triumph that Britain was finally able to control its own coastal waters.

It was in commemoration of this that in 1740, James Thompson wrote ‘Rule Britannia’.

It is a hymn of thanksgiving rather than a proclamation of aggressive Nationalism.

If you get this far and are interested to learn more, read "White Gold" by Giles Milton.

I've seen this article before and it concerns me as it is totally untrue, another example of made-up history by people who have an agenda an unfortunately it's believed by some people.
In 1588 the Spanish Armada were crushed making the British/English navy rulers of the oceans and yet the article claims that slave traders were running riot in our waters!
When I first saw this article I made extensive research to see if there was any truth in it. I failed to find any truth at all.

As for the history of Rule Britannia you'll find it here...https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

Here you go so do you still say it’s a fake article ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/em ... s_01.shtml

I've never been called a 'hard leftie' before never voted Labour in my life and never would. Anyway, while there is some truth in the role of Barbary pirates in the slave trade in Ireland and Cornwall numbers are disputed. But to link this with the song 'Rule Britannia' sorry is total rubbish.

back as a sticky

It's like being down Barry island playing the whack-a-mole game.

Well it’s gone again as a sticky in a new game of moderator wars There is clearly a moderator who objects to my vids taking down my threads or removing a sticky.
Clearly can’t debate even took down a comment of mine on this thread. Wish he would explain why he is doing that and playing Hokey Cokey with this thread. Very childish I don’t agree so I just use the delete button

the western nations were the only ones who ever questioned and eventually banned slavery no other empires ever thought it was a problem then and now.

Its still happening in arabia

Yeah happening everywhere even in The U.K. Those in these car washes are just basically slaves. But this thread proves one thing these hard line lefties won’t debate they don’t know how to. This is how they work suppress free speech. But that hard line lefties for you

What ? Car washes? WTF ?

Yes a couple of years ago a garage up the road from me there was mass arrests on modern day slavery charges.

Copied and pasted before anyone says you didn’t write that.
Here is something you are unlikely to learn via the BBC.

In the 17th century the seas around Britain were ruled by North African Muslim Slavers. They stopped
British ships and carried off the crews to be sold as slaves in Algiers and Tripoli.

The situation became so bad that fishermen from Devon and Cornwall wouldn’t put out to sea in case they were captured by North African Slave Traders.

Between 1609 and 1616, 466 British ships were captured by Slave Traders in the English Channel, Irish Sea and North Atlantic, and the crews were sold into slavery.

In 1625 a raiding party landed at Mount’s Bay in Cornwall and 60 people who had taken refuge in a local church were dragged out, loaded up and taken off to Africa to be sold as slaves.

On 12 August 1625 the Mayor of Plymouth wrote to London for military help after 27 ships had been seized by North African Muslim Slave Traders in just 10 days.

In 1645, 240 people were seized as slaves in Cornwall.

The situation only began to change after the end of the English Civil War when the Royal Navy was built up under Oliver Cromwell. By 1700, North African Slavers generally knew better than to bother the British Isles in the search for slaves because of the Royal Navy.

It was a triumph that Britain was finally able to control its own coastal waters.

It was in commemoration of this that in 1740, James Thompson wrote ‘Rule Britannia’.

It is a hymn of thanksgiving rather than a proclamation of aggressive Nationalism.

If you get this far and are interested to learn more, read "White Gold" by Giles Milton.

I've seen this article before and it concerns me as it is totally untrue, another example of made-up history by people who have an agenda an unfortunately it's believed by some people.
In 1588 the Spanish Armada were crushed making the British/English navy rulers of the oceans and yet the article claims that slave traders were running riot in our waters!
When I first saw this article I made extensive research to see if there was any truth in it. I failed to find any truth at all.

As for the history of Rule Britannia you'll find it here...https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

Here you go so do you still say it’s a fake article ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/em ... s_01.shtml

I've never been called a 'hard leftie' before never voted Labour in my life and never would. Anyway, while there is some truth in the role of Barbary pirates in the slave trade in Ireland and Cornwall numbers are disputed. But to link this with the song 'Rule Britannia' sorry is total rubbish.

there is a hell of a lot of evidence because it happened...you can not just dismiss the bits of history that you do not like..
rule britannia ? i do not see you have an ounce of actual evidence to call your view any more or less rubbish than his...

Copied and pasted before anyone says you didn’t write that.
Here is something you are unlikely to learn via the BBC.

In the 17th century the seas around Britain were ruled by North African Muslim Slavers. They stopped
British ships and carried off the crews to be sold as slaves in Algiers and Tripoli.

The situation became so bad that fishermen from Devon and Cornwall wouldn’t put out to sea in case they were captured by North African Slave Traders.

Between 1609 and 1616, 466 British ships were captured by Slave Traders in the English Channel, Irish Sea and North Atlantic, and the crews were sold into slavery.

In 1625 a raiding party landed at Mount’s Bay in Cornwall and 60 people who had taken refuge in a local church were dragged out, loaded up and taken off to Africa to be sold as slaves.

On 12 August 1625 the Mayor of Plymouth wrote to London for military help after 27 ships had been seized by North African Muslim Slave Traders in just 10 days.

In 1645, 240 people were seized as slaves in Cornwall.

The situation only began to change after the end of the English Civil War when the Royal Navy was built up under Oliver Cromwell. By 1700, North African Slavers generally knew better than to bother the British Isles in the search for slaves because of the Royal Navy.

It was a triumph that Britain was finally able to control its own coastal waters.

It was in commemoration of this that in 1740, James Thompson wrote ‘Rule Britannia’.

It is a hymn of thanksgiving rather than a proclamation of aggressive Nationalism.

If you get this far and are interested to learn more, read "White Gold" by Giles Milton.

I've seen this article before and it concerns me as it is totally untrue, another example of made-up history by people who have an agenda an unfortunately it's believed by some people.
In 1588 the Spanish Armada were crushed making the British/English navy rulers of the oceans and yet the article claims that slave traders were running riot in our waters!
When I first saw this article I made extensive research to see if there was any truth in it. I failed to find any truth at all.

As for the history of Rule Britannia you'll find it here...https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

Here you go so do you still say it’s a fake article ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/em ... s_01.shtml

I've never been called a 'hard leftie' before never voted Labour in my life and never would. Anyway, while there is some truth in the role of Barbary pirates in the slave trade in Ireland and Cornwall numbers are disputed. But to link this with the song 'Rule Britannia' sorry is total rubbish.

there is a hell of a lot of evidence because it happened...you can not just dismiss the bits of history that you do not like..
rule britannia ? i do not see you have an ounce of actual evidence to call your view any more or less rubbish than his...

If you read my answer I'm not denying that it happened in parts, but the article in question appeared during the Rule Britannia fuss during the Proms concert and there is no proof that Barbary pirates are the reason behind the song.

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

There's been a few threads regarding slavery, taking the knee etc on here. Two wrongs don't make a right but can I suggest a look at the Enslaved series with Samuel L Jackson on BBC. It's a great insight into the plight of Africans who were taken from their homeland as slaves, 2.6 million on British ships alone.

Who captured and sold the 2.6 million slaves who went on British ships alone?

Who captured and sold the 2.6 million slaves who went on British ships alone?

well, who captured them....it’s been said that many were captured by fellow black Africans.

Copied and pasted before anyone says you didn’t write that.
Here is something you are unlikely to learn via the BBC.

In the 17th century the seas around Britain were ruled by North African Muslim Slavers. They stopped
British ships and carried off the crews to be sold as slaves in Algiers and Tripoli.

The situation became so bad that fishermen from Devon and Cornwall wouldn’t put out to sea in case they were captured by North African Slave Traders.

Between 1609 and 1616, 466 British ships were captured by Slave Traders in the English Channel, Irish Sea and North Atlantic, and the crews were sold into slavery.

In 1625 a raiding party landed at Mount’s Bay in Cornwall and 60 people who had taken refuge in a local church were dragged out, loaded up and taken off to Africa to be sold as slaves.

On 12 August 1625 the Mayor of Plymouth wrote to London for military help after 27 ships had been seized by North African Muslim Slave Traders in just 10 days.

In 1645, 240 people were seized as slaves in Cornwall.

The situation only began to change after the end of the English Civil War when the Royal Navy was built up under Oliver Cromwell. By 1700, North African Slavers generally knew better than to bother the British Isles in the search for slaves because of the Royal Navy.

It was a triumph that Britain was finally able to control its own coastal waters.

It was in commemoration of this that in 1740, James Thompson wrote ‘Rule Britannia’.

It is a hymn of thanksgiving rather than a proclamation of aggressive Nationalism.

If you get this far and are interested to learn more, read "White Gold" by Giles Milton.

I've seen this article before and it concerns me as it is totally untrue, another example of made-up history by people who have an agenda an unfortunately it's believed by some people.
In 1588 the Spanish Armada were crushed making the British/English navy rulers of the oceans and yet the article claims that slave traders were running riot in our waters!
When I first saw this article I made extensive research to see if there was any truth in it. I failed to find any truth at all.

As for the history of Rule Britannia you'll find it here...https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

Here you go so do you still say it’s a fake article ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/em ... s_01.shtml

I've never been called a 'hard leftie' before never voted Labour in my life and never would. Anyway, while there is some truth in the role of Barbary pirates in the slave trade in Ireland and Cornwall numbers are disputed. But to link this with the song 'Rule Britannia' sorry is total rubbish.

there is a hell of a lot of evidence because it happened...you can not just dismiss the bits of history that you do not like..
rule britannia ? i do not see you have an ounce of actual evidence to call your view any more or less rubbish than his...

If you read my answer I'm not denying that it happened in parts, but the article in question appeared during the Rule Britannia fuss during the Proms concert and there is no proof that Barbary pirates are the reason behind the song.

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

There's been a few threads regarding slavery, taking the knee etc on here. Two wrongs don't make a right but can I suggest a look at the Enslaved series with Samuel L Jackson on BBC. It's a great insight into the plight of Africans who were taken from their homeland as slaves, 2.6 million on British ships alone.

But it seems you are suggesting slavery begins and ends with white being the guilty party but won’t see Blacks was also involved and are the main culprits today. But why are you more concerned with history than what’s happening now.
The biggest slave traders and using them are Muslim of which it’s still very large in the Middle East.
I don’t watch anything on the sort on TV now who have the agenda to tell the Nation that our fore fathers was all evil.
It is all one sided bullshit

Copied and pasted before anyone says you didn’t write that.
Here is something you are unlikely to learn via the BBC.

In the 17th century the seas around Britain were ruled by North African Muslim Slavers. They stopped
British ships and carried off the crews to be sold as slaves in Algiers and Tripoli.

The situation became so bad that fishermen from Devon and Cornwall wouldn’t put out to sea in case they were captured by North African Slave Traders.

Between 1609 and 1616, 466 British ships were captured by Slave Traders in the English Channel, Irish Sea and North Atlantic, and the crews were sold into slavery.

In 1625 a raiding party landed at Mount’s Bay in Cornwall and 60 people who had taken refuge in a local church were dragged out, loaded up and taken off to Africa to be sold as slaves.

On 12 August 1625 the Mayor of Plymouth wrote to London for military help after 27 ships had been seized by North African Muslim Slave Traders in just 10 days.

In 1645, 240 people were seized as slaves in Cornwall.

The situation only began to change after the end of the English Civil War when the Royal Navy was built up under Oliver Cromwell. By 1700, North African Slavers generally knew better than to bother the British Isles in the search for slaves because of the Royal Navy.

It was a triumph that Britain was finally able to control its own coastal waters.

It was in commemoration of this that in 1740, James Thompson wrote ‘Rule Britannia’.

It is a hymn of thanksgiving rather than a proclamation of aggressive Nationalism.

If you get this far and are interested to learn more, read "White Gold" by Giles Milton.

I've seen this article before and it concerns me as it is totally untrue, another example of made-up history by people who have an agenda an unfortunately it's believed by some people.
In 1588 the Spanish Armada were crushed making the British/English navy rulers of the oceans and yet the article claims that slave traders were running riot in our waters!
When I first saw this article I made extensive research to see if there was any truth in it. I failed to find any truth at all.

As for the history of Rule Britannia you'll find it here...https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

Here you go so do you still say it’s a fake article ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/em ... s_01.shtml

I've never been called a 'hard leftie' before never voted Labour in my life and never would. Anyway, while there is some truth in the role of Barbary pirates in the slave trade in Ireland and Cornwall numbers are disputed. But to link this with the song 'Rule Britannia' sorry is total rubbish.

there is a hell of a lot of evidence because it happened...you can not just dismiss the bits of history that you do not like..
rule britannia ? i do not see you have an ounce of actual evidence to call your view any more or less rubbish than his...

If you read my answer I'm not denying that it happened in parts, but the article in question appeared during the Rule Britannia fuss during the Proms concert and there is no proof that Barbary pirates are the reason behind the song.

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

There's been a few threads regarding slavery, taking the knee etc on here. Two wrongs don't make a right but can I suggest a look at the Enslaved series with Samuel L Jackson on BBC. It's a great insight into the plight of Africans who were taken from their homeland as slaves, 2.6 million on British ships alone.

rule britannia ? we know when it was written...a lot less of when it became popular to sing...
slavery... you cant have this all ends up, downplaying the amount of Europeans taken while going along with the high estimate of Africans...what we are 100% sure of is that slavery existed in Africa before our ancestors got involved and most of the transported slaves were enslaved by fellow Africans...
this notion that we should all be ashamed and guilty for what was the norm everywhere 400 years ago is rediculous..
and yes the series..like almost all things on TV.. .sets out to make a point...and makes the point it set out to...

Copied and pasted before anyone says you didn’t write that.
Here is something you are unlikely to learn via the BBC.

In the 17th century the seas around Britain were ruled by North African Muslim Slavers. They stopped
British ships and carried off the crews to be sold as slaves in Algiers and Tripoli.

The situation became so bad that fishermen from Devon and Cornwall wouldn’t put out to sea in case they were captured by North African Slave Traders.

Between 1609 and 1616, 466 British ships were captured by Slave Traders in the English Channel, Irish Sea and North Atlantic, and the crews were sold into slavery.

In 1625 a raiding party landed at Mount’s Bay in Cornwall and 60 people who had taken refuge in a local church were dragged out, loaded up and taken off to Africa to be sold as slaves.

On 12 August 1625 the Mayor of Plymouth wrote to London for military help after 27 ships had been seized by North African Muslim Slave Traders in just 10 days.

In 1645, 240 people were seized as slaves in Cornwall.

The situation only began to change after the end of the English Civil War when the Royal Navy was built up under Oliver Cromwell. By 1700, North African Slavers generally knew better than to bother the British Isles in the search for slaves because of the Royal Navy.

It was a triumph that Britain was finally able to control its own coastal waters.

It was in commemoration of this that in 1740, James Thompson wrote ‘Rule Britannia’.

It is a hymn of thanksgiving rather than a proclamation of aggressive Nationalism.

If you get this far and are interested to learn more, read "White Gold" by Giles Milton.

I've seen this article before and it concerns me as it is totally untrue, another example of made-up history by people who have an agenda an unfortunately it's believed by some people.
In 1588 the Spanish Armada were crushed making the British/English navy rulers of the oceans and yet the article claims that slave traders were running riot in our waters!
When I first saw this article I made extensive research to see if there was any truth in it. I failed to find any truth at all.

As for the history of Rule Britannia you'll find it here...https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

Here you go so do you still say it’s a fake article ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/em ... s_01.shtml

I've never been called a 'hard leftie' before never voted Labour in my life and never would. Anyway, while there is some truth in the role of Barbary pirates in the slave trade in Ireland and Cornwall numbers are disputed. But to link this with the song 'Rule Britannia' sorry is total rubbish.

there is a hell of a lot of evidence because it happened...you can not just dismiss the bits of history that you do not like..
rule britannia ? i do not see you have an ounce of actual evidence to call your view any more or less rubbish than his...

If you read my answer I'm not denying that it happened in parts, but the article in question appeared during the Rule Britannia fuss during the Proms concert and there is no proof that Barbary pirates are the reason behind the song.

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

There's been a few threads regarding slavery, taking the knee etc on here. Two wrongs don't make a right but can I suggest a look at the Enslaved series with Samuel L Jackson on BBC. It's a great insight into the plight of Africans who were taken from their homeland as slaves, 2.6 million on British ships alone.

rule britannia ? we know when it was written...a lot less of when it became popular to sing...
slavery... you cant have this all ends up, downplaying the amount of Europeans taken while going along with the high estimate of Africans...what we are 100% sure of is that slavery existed in Africa before our ancestors got involved and most of the transported slaves were enslaved by fellow Africans...
this notion that we should all be ashamed and guilty for what was the norm everywhere 400 years ago is rediculous..
and yes the series..like almost all things on TV.. .sets out to make a point...and makes the point it set out to...

As I said in my original answer two wrongs don't make a right. Slavery whenever, wherever and by whoever is abhorrent. The main bone of contention is that Britain, Netherlands, Belgium etc built empires with the profits of slavery. Individuals created huge wealth from this terrible trade and their achievements were celebrated at the time. As you say it was the 'norm' at the time but surely we are now wiser? It's not about changing or choosing history, I'm sure you's agree that it is about educating people that what we and others did was wrong and learn from our mistakes?

Copied and pasted before anyone says you didn’t write that.
Here is something you are unlikely to learn via the BBC.

In the 17th century the seas around Britain were ruled by North African Muslim Slavers. They stopped
British ships and carried off the crews to be sold as slaves in Algiers and Tripoli.

The situation became so bad that fishermen from Devon and Cornwall wouldn’t put out to sea in case they were captured by North African Slave Traders.

Between 1609 and 1616, 466 British ships were captured by Slave Traders in the English Channel, Irish Sea and North Atlantic, and the crews were sold into slavery.

In 1625 a raiding party landed at Mount’s Bay in Cornwall and 60 people who had taken refuge in a local church were dragged out, loaded up and taken off to Africa to be sold as slaves.

On 12 August 1625 the Mayor of Plymouth wrote to London for military help after 27 ships had been seized by North African Muslim Slave Traders in just 10 days.

In 1645, 240 people were seized as slaves in Cornwall.

The situation only began to change after the end of the English Civil War when the Royal Navy was built up under Oliver Cromwell. By 1700, North African Slavers generally knew better than to bother the British Isles in the search for slaves because of the Royal Navy.

It was a triumph that Britain was finally able to control its own coastal waters.

It was in commemoration of this that in 1740, James Thompson wrote ‘Rule Britannia’.

It is a hymn of thanksgiving rather than a proclamation of aggressive Nationalism.

If you get this far and are interested to learn more, read "White Gold" by Giles Milton.

I've seen this article before and it concerns me as it is totally untrue, another example of made-up history by people who have an agenda an unfortunately it's believed by some people.
In 1588 the Spanish Armada were crushed making the British/English navy rulers of the oceans and yet the article claims that slave traders were running riot in our waters!
When I first saw this article I made extensive research to see if there was any truth in it. I failed to find any truth at all.

As for the history of Rule Britannia you'll find it here...https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

Here you go so do you still say it’s a fake article ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/em ... s_01.shtml

I've never been called a 'hard leftie' before never voted Labour in my life and never would. Anyway, while there is some truth in the role of Barbary pirates in the slave trade in Ireland and Cornwall numbers are disputed. But to link this with the song 'Rule Britannia' sorry is total rubbish.

there is a hell of a lot of evidence because it happened...you can not just dismiss the bits of history that you do not like..
rule britannia ? i do not see you have an ounce of actual evidence to call your view any more or less rubbish than his...

If you read my answer I'm not denying that it happened in parts, but the article in question appeared during the Rule Britannia fuss during the Proms concert and there is no proof that Barbary pirates are the reason behind the song.

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/H ... Britannia/

There's been a few threads regarding slavery, taking the knee etc on here. Two wrongs don't make a right but can I suggest a look at the Enslaved series with Samuel L Jackson on BBC. It's a great insight into the plight of Africans who were taken from their homeland as slaves, 2.6 million on British ships alone.

rule britannia ? we know when it was written...a lot less of when it became popular to sing...
slavery... you cant have this all ends up, downplaying the amount of Europeans taken while going along with the high estimate of Africans...what we are 100% sure of is that slavery existed in Africa before our ancestors got involved and most of the transported slaves were enslaved by fellow Africans...
this notion that we should all be ashamed and guilty for what was the norm everywhere 400 years ago is rediculous..
and yes the series..like almost all things on TV.. .sets out to make a point...and makes the point it set out to...

As I said in my original answer two wrongs don't make a right. Slavery whenever, wherever and by whoever is abhorrent. The main bone of contention is that Britain, Netherlands, Belgium etc built empires with the profits of slavery. Individuals created huge wealth from this terrible trade and their achievements were celebrated at the time. As you say it was the 'norm' at the time but surely we are now wiser? It's not about changing or choosing history, I'm sure you's agree that it is about educating people that what we and others did was wrong and learn from our mistakes?

learn and educate ? did you grow up thinking or being taught
slavery was ok ? i did not and im sure most did not.. infact im pretty sure it was abolished and made illegal because it was seen as wrong...unbelievably those that need educating in places where it still happens are avoided like the plague by people such as BLM.. 2 wrongs do not make a right and this attempt to guilt trip people who had nothing to do with what happened hundreds of years a go is as wrong as it gets..