" Plans to radically change English football "

BBC


Liverpool and Manchester United are leading radical proposals for the reform of English football.

The plans would see the Premier League hand over the £250m bailout required by the Football League to stave off a financial disaster among its 72 clubs.

Under the proposals, the Premier League would be cut to 18 teams, the EFL Cup in its present form would be abolished and the Community Shield scrapped.

In addition, the top-flight's 14-club majority voting system would change.

It is thought English Football League (EFL) chairman Rick Parry is in favour of the plans, first reported by the Daily Telegraph.

It is understood Liverpool's owners, the Fenway Sports Group, came forward with the initial plan, which has been worked on by United co-chairman Joel Glazer. It is anticipated it will receive the backing of Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur - the other members of England's 'big six'.

The idea is to address long-standing EFL concerns about the huge gap in funding between its divisions and the Premier League by handing over 25% of the annual income, though the current parachute payment system would be scrapped.

There would be a £250m up-front payment to address the existing crisis created by the coronavirus pandemic. In addition, the Football Association would receive what is being described as a £100m "gift".

No date has been set for the proposed new-style league to be in operation but sources have suggested 2022-23 is not out of the question.

In order to get down from 20 to 18, it is anticipated four clubs would be relegated directly, with two promoted from the Championship. In addition, there would be play-offs involving the team to finish 16th in the Premier League and those in third, fourth and fifth in the second tier.

It is also planned that, as well as the 'big six', ever-present league member Everton, West Ham United and Southampton - ninth and 11th respectively in the list of clubs who have featured in the most Premier League seasons - would be granted special status.

If six of those nine clubs vote in favour of a proposal, it would be enough to get it passed.

There is no mention of Aston Villa and Newcastle United, both of whom have featured in more Premier League campaigns than Manchester City.

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Not even the short end of the stick. "We'll help you now as long as we get special status" stinks of protectionism in my opinion.

Led by the yanks of liverpool and man u ....... they've been at forefront of trying to change English football since they came in, 18 clubs means more money per team more successful the team more money teams get ..... in other words big 6 get richer

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Not even the short end of the stick. "We'll help you now as long as we get special status" stinks of protectionism in my opinion.

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of course it is the game has been stolen. Everything you hear today is what corporations want it will happen no point fighting it

American owners want a franchise system with no promotion & relegation. This is a step towards it & stinks. Liverpool have won one title in 30 years. Man U done nothing major for years. But they want to control English football

Fuc.... the prem and all the trimmings , its not where we belong.

American owners want a franchise system with no promotion & relegation. This is a step towards it & stinks. Liverpool have won one title in 30 years. Man U done nothing major for years. But they want to control English football

You have to remember the ones who control the sports would not watch a match unless under torture.

Not even the short end of the stick. "We'll help you now as long as we get special status" stinks of protectionism in my opinion.

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of course it is the game has been stolen. Everything you hear today is what corporations want it will happen no point fighting it

The only way you figh back against big corps is by not buying their pruduct. Very little fight left in people IM afraid. We moan and do the fu.... opp.

Not even the short end of the stick. "We'll help you now as long as we get special status" stinks of protectionism in my opinion.

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of course it is the game has been stolen. Everything you hear today is what corporations want it will happen no point fighting it

The only way you figh back against big corps is by not buying their pruduct. Very little fight left in people IM afraid. We moan and do the fu.... opp.

I’ve no real problem about reducing the Premier League to 16 never mind 18, but the idea that the top 6 control everything is incredibly unfair.

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Paul Gaskel:

Absolute bunch of wankers mate . The elite don’t want smaller clubs like Burnley to compete . What gives them the right to veto the financial ownership of other teams . A team like Villa or Leeds are thriving by not paying the same wages of the elite teams even though they are backed sufficiently to buy players for fairly high fees . They re pretending that by throwing a few quid to the lower leagues everyone will be happy even though two teams will have to be booted to make a 90 team league . I live in Widnes now pal and don’t get to Burnley so much so I think I’ll start watching my rugby league team Warrington if they ever allow fans back . I’m ashamed that Burnley voted in favour of the pay per view at £15 a go as well, only Leicester had the morals to vote against it. Rant over mate . Hope you and your family are all well and enjoying life in the sun . Your mate , Paul BFC

EFL Chairman gives his thoughts:

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110% NO from me!

This smacks of self-protectionism and smacks of financial cronyism!

As the saying goes; always beware Trojans bearing gifts...!

Obviously we cant go at the moment.but I can see a situation where people say enough is enough and crowds go down to the level they were in the 80s/90s prior to the inception of the premier league.

Spot on Stan!! House of cards, go bust and start again.

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just about sums up the big clubs in the premier league. Using Covid crises to create more power for themselves.

Government condemns the plans

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Businesses evolve. Football is a business. Ergo it’ll evolve BUT a huge difference is that the game is ours and without fans it’s nothing.
So if the fans will still follow their teams and pay the TV subscriptions why wouldn’t the leaders of the football industry look to change the system?
Will they though?
Yes of course they will do - the fans will be voting as turkeys for Xmas.

ps Special status clubs is a stretch too far. If any of those clubs finish in a relegation spot they deserve to go down irrespective of their history.

Good summary to be fair.

Only fools could not see through this, but in many ways, it is almost a positive. Project Big Picture is so transparent in its aims, so repulsively skewed towards the richest, so disgustedly naked in its protectionism that the howl of rejection and outrage should be deafening.

Under the guise of improving the economic outlook for all, it delivers the bulk of its money into the greasy mitts of an over-privileged, over-entitled elite. It fixes the game in favour of six clubs, while shifting the financial burden to the 14 straining every sinew to remain competitive.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -grab.html

Led by the yanks of liverpool and man u ....... they've been at forefront of trying to change English football since they came in, 18 clubs means more money per team more successful the team more money teams get ..... in other words big 6 get richer

Allan, not sure why you blame the yank owners of 2 clubs, doesn't matter where they're from it's the greedy owners of 6 clubs. This sort of thing has been talked about for as long as I can remember with only the "top" clubs changing slightly every few years. That was obviously one of the reasons for the premiership, smaller league than old division one equals more money between less teams.

Led by the yanks of liverpool and man u ....... they've been at forefront of trying to change English football since they came in, 18 clubs means more money per team more successful the team more money teams get ..... in other words big 6 get richer

Allan, not sure why you blame the yank owners of 2 clubs, doesn't matter where they're from it's the greedy owners of 6 clubs. This sort of thing has been talked about for as long as I can remember with only the "top" clubs changing slightly every few years. That was obviously one of the reasons for the premiership, smaller league than old division one equals more money between less teams.

This is not the 1st time they have tried to change things they do not have any idea of the mindset of english football, they only know the American model for sport.... they are businessmen out to get as much money as they can... which is exactly what this proposal will end up doing for them and the other big 6 clubs ? they want tv money to be distributed more in their favour very much way madrid Barcelona have in Spain and way rangers celtic wanted in Scotland! It will be a cartel as wont allow any billionaires to take over another club ......
is it just coincidence that the instigators of such a selfish money grabbing idea are from usa ? Where making money out of sport is a national pass time And are not bothered about 130yrs of English football history.....

The big 6 teams in the Premier League just want more protection in terms of cash revenue and power in the top flight. They dont care about the EFL teams otherwise they would off helped more, instead of kicking the can further down the road in terms of promotion and relegations. IF this happens then we could see the whole EFL pyramid change in terms of play offs and relegations, Could we see 3 automatic spots in the championship? who knows.

Led by the yanks of liverpool and man u ....... they've been at forefront of trying to change English football since they came in, 18 clubs means more money per team more successful the team more money teams get ..... in other words big 6 get richer

Allan, not sure why you blame the yank owners of 2 clubs, doesn't matter where they're from it's the greedy owners of 6 clubs. This sort of thing has been talked about for as long as I can remember with only the "top" clubs changing slightly every few years. That was obviously one of the reasons for the premiership, smaller league than old division one equals more money between less teams.

This is not the 1st time they have tried to change things they do not have any idea of the mindset of english football, they only know the American model for sport.... they are businessmen out to get as much money as they can... which is exactly what this proposal will end up doing for them and the other big 6 clubs ? they want tv money to be distributed more in their favour very much way madrid Barcelona have in Spain and way rangers celtic wanted in Scotland! It will be a cartel as wont allow any billionaires to take over another club ......
is it just coincidence that the instigators of such a selfish money grabbing idea are from usa ? Where making money out of sport is a national pass time And are not bothered about 130yrs of English football history.....

Thought you were less narrow minded than that Allan. You ignored the rest of what I said just to concentrate on the first part.

I did say it was all about the money but that this had been going on for decades. You seem to have decided it's all to do with the yanks when it's all of the owners not just 2 people. Are you saying that the Arab, Russian or British owners have nothing to do with it and it's all an evil plot by the Americans because that's how it came across?

The American model is very different to the British model and the 2 are in no way interchangeable but until you live it you can never fully understand how different or even how the whole thing works sometimes. After 16 years I still sometimes wonder how it all works and learn something new every season. I still can't watch baseball though, almost as bad as cricket.

Led by the yanks of liverpool and man u ....... they've been at forefront of trying to change English football since they came in, 18 clubs means more money per team more successful the team more money teams get ..... in other words big 6 get richer

Allan, not sure why you blame the yank owners of 2 clubs, doesn't matter where they're from it's the greedy owners of 6 clubs. This sort of thing has been talked about for as long as I can remember with only the "top" clubs changing slightly every few years. That was obviously one of the reasons for the premiership, smaller league than old division one equals more money between less teams.

This is not the 1st time they have tried to change things they do not have any idea of the mindset of english football, they only know the American model for sport.... they are businessmen out to get as much money as they can... which is exactly what this proposal will end up doing for them and the other big 6 clubs ? they want tv money to be distributed more in their favour very much way madrid Barcelona have in Spain and way rangers celtic wanted in Scotland! It will be a cartel as wont allow any billionaires to take over another club ......
is it just coincidence that the instigators of such a selfish money grabbing idea are from usa ? Where making money out of sport is a national pass time And are not bothered about 130yrs of English football history.....

i dont think its an American thing either, he is correct in saying similar moves have been talked about in boardrooms for donkeys years..

PROJECT BIG PICTURE is a proposal that would see changes to the Premier League and EFL. The top 6 teams in the Prem would get a say in everything and this can only mean bad news for everyone in the EFL. The Premier League teams who voted for this whole series of changes involve having 18 teams in the league, scrapping the EFL Cup and the Community Shield. But not just this, the Parachute Payments will get scrapped too. IF this happens then we could see the BIG PICTURE being a change-up in the whole football pyramid.

But the money going to the EFL will save so many clubs.

We’re going to end up with a football equivalent of the World Series.

[quote="maccydee"]But the money going to the EFL will save so many clubs.[/quote


yes they could they could give the money without the strings though... ...

We’re going to end up with a football equivalent of the World Series.

I don’t think so. They aren’t stopping promotion and relegation.

They are talking about significant money for the EFL. Reducing the premier league to the same amount of teams as most top tier European leagues.

The FFP rules I have concerns about as it seems like they are looking to make it a closed shop.

We’re going to end up with a football equivalent of the World Series.

I don’t think so. They aren’t stopping promotion and relegation.

They are talking about significant money for the EFL. Reducing the premier league to the same amount of teams as most top tier European leagues.

The FFP rules I have concerns about as it seems like they are looking to make it a closed shop.

its flat put anti football
not stopping promotion well they might as well without parachute payments.