Many said ohh Nukes think he knows better than ..

The scientific community. Ohh well here they are saying what I said. Will the government listen to them ? Will they f**k there is a hidden agenda wakey Fooking wakey
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 62393.html

Obviously none of those people have a vested interest in keeping the country locked down until the population are desperate for any form of vaccine.

Unlike some who are pulling the strings in the UK at the moment.

Achieving herd immunity, without a vaccine, while isolating the most vulnerable will result in additional deaths.

So the question is, how many additional deaths are acceptable to relieve economic suffering?

It's also nigh on impossible to identify all those who are vulnerable and put in place an effective isolation structure.

So if that is not possible we would be condemning the most vulnerable part of the community to carry the brunt of those deaths.

I have had my doubts about it and still have but last week a friend of mine lost an old school friend to covid 19. He was 37 fit as a fiddle with no underlying health issues so it is obviously a very dangerous virus that can get any of us but the stats still show its no more dangerous than any other illness and sadly he was just unlucky most provably.

Achieving herd immunity, without a vaccine, while isolating the most vulnerable will result in additional deaths.

So the question is, how many additional deaths are acceptable to relieve economic suffering?

It's also nigh on impossible to identify all those who are vulnerable and put in place an effective isolation structure.

So if that is not possible we would be condemning the most vulnerable part of the community to carry the brunt of those deaths.

With respect, there are many other questions that change the context your final assertion.

How many otherwise avoidable deaths will occur because of COVID legislation?

How many suicides due to isolation, loss of businesses/work?

How many cancer cases are not caught early enough to save a life?

How many people beyond the poverty line in developing nations will die of starvation as the global economy, that they are so dependent on, grinds to a halt?

The calculation of COVID deaths vs. these other excess deaths, home and abroad, has been evidently been made, surely we are entitled to know the basis on how that decision was reached?

Protecting the vulnerable can surely be achieved without sacrificing those whose deaths could be avoided if it weren't for COVID legislation?

The scientific community. Ohh well here they are saying what I said. Will the government listen to them ? Will they f**k there is a hidden agenda wakey Fooking wakey
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 62393.html

Ain't google a powerful tool.The trouble is people stop when they find something that suits their particular agenda.Took me three seconds to find something to counter this.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expe ... rotection/

Elvis lives !

The scientific community. Ohh well here they are saying what I said. Will the government listen to them ? Will they f**k there is a hidden agenda wakey Fooking wakey
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 62393.html

Ain't google a powerful tool.The trouble is people stop when they find something that suits their particular agenda.Took me three seconds to find something to counter this.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expe ... rotection/

Elvis lives !

mate there are a hell of a lot of scientists and politicians that stuck their chips on this being far worse than it actually was who are reluctant to now say anything different...even Fergusons team who came up with and were slaughtered over the model lockdown was based on predicted 500k deaths if we did not lockdown and only last week were still claiming it accurate and that figure would have been reality had we not... that would mean we would then have had half the worlds death toll... which is ridiculous..

Latest figures Covid19, of course it's not real, the government has an agenda, but no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!
This is what the DOH latest release says.

"THE number of UK coronavirus cases rose by 12,594 today - and health bosses say the figure does not include previously missed infections.
The Department of Health confirmed today's rise reflects the most recent positive test results in Britain, after bungling health chiefs' missed thousands over the last week"

no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!

The agenda is not about the virus, it is about the cure and what follows.

Demoralization
Destabilisation
Crisis
Normalisation

There can be only two rational conclusions to the consistency in the global over reactions to the pandemic.

1. It was planned.

Or

2. Almost all world leaders are incompetent.

From a purely statistical position it is very, very unlikely to be 2.

Latest figures Covid19, of course it's not real, the government has an agenda, but no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!
This is what the DOH latest release says.

"THE number of UK coronavirus cases rose by 12,594 today - and health bosses say the figure does not include previously missed infections.
The Department of Health confirmed today's rise reflects the most recent positive test results in Britain, after bungling health chiefs' missed thousands over the last week"

come on someone...?
no mate you cant keep on going back to this...its not real. { no one has said its not real } ..and then putting a figure up thats massive to you
but is not not very high when A} you compare it to other illnesses and B} the huge majority of these covid infections they are counting require a test to tell if someone has it , illness for the first time in human history has become secondary when gauging an epidemic.....
you must see that you are reading covid numbers and league tables every single day and not stats and tables for anything else...???????? why ?
covid deaths for the last 3 months are 1760...thats less than 2% of overall UK deaths for the same period...
and last week doctors signed more certificates for people who were actually ill from flu than there were positive covid tests , which you are fully aware 80% of which are asymptomatic..tests..
and this makes sense to you while people it makes no sense to are conspiracy theorists...

no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!

The agenda is not about the virus, it is about the cure and what follows.

Demoralization
Destabilisation
Crisis
Normalisation

There can be only two rational conclusions to the consistency in the global over reactions to the pandemic.

1. It was planned.

Or

2. Almost all world leaders are incompetent.

From a purely statistical position it is very, very unlikely to be 2.

its become a lot like politics or football mate with people having chosen a side. including scientists...i honestly think politicians on all sides are going along with public opinion ..which is still strongly in favour of caution according to polls..
so the only way this ends is when people start changing their minds.... its a virus and even if its infects 4 times as many as yesterdays total will take 4 years to infect us all... do we lock down for 4 years ? or 15 years based on the current infections ..

no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!

The agenda is not about the virus, it is about the cure and what follows.

Demoralization
Destabilisation
Crisis
Normalisation

There can be only two rational conclusions to the consistency in the global over reactions to the pandemic.

1. It was planned.

Or

2. Almost all world leaders are incompetent.

From a purely statistical position it is very, very unlikely to be 2.

its become a lot like politics or football mate with people having chosen a side. including scientists...i honestly think politicians on all sides are going along with public opinion ..which is still strongly in favour of caution according to polls..
so the only way this ends is when people start changing their minds.... its a virus and even if its infects 4 times as many as yesterdays total will take 4 years to infect us all... do we lock down for 4 years ? or 15 years based on the current infections ..

OH! yesterday you said it would take 25 years to infect us all, and today you are saying it will take 4 years

Latest figures Covid19, of course it's not real, the government has an agenda, but no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!
This is what the DOH latest release says.

"THE number of UK coronavirus cases rose by 12,594 today - and health bosses say the figure does not include previously missed infections.
The Department of Health confirmed today's rise reflects the most recent positive test results in Britain, after bungling health chiefs' missed thousands over the last week"

come on someone...?
no mate you cant keep on going back to this...its not real. { no one has said its not real } ..and then putting a figure up thats massive to you
but is not not very high when A} you compare it to other illnesses and B} the huge majority of these covid infections they are counting require a test to tell if someone has it , illness for the first time in human history has become secondary when gauging an epidemic.....
you must see that you are reading covid numbers and league tables every single day and not stats and tables for anything else...???????? why ?
covid deaths for the last 3 months are 1760...thats less than 2% of overall UK deaths for the same period...
and last week doctors signed more certificates for people who were actually ill from flu than there were positive covid tests , which you are fully aware 80% of which are asymptomatic..tests..
and this makes sense to you while people it makes no sense to are conspiracy theorists...

As is normal with you, missing the point again, I will ask again, what is the hidden agenda that the government has?

no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!

The agenda is not about the virus, it is about the cure and what follows.

Demoralization
Destabilisation
Crisis
Normalisation

There can be only two rational conclusions to the consistency in the global over reactions to the pandemic.

1. It was planned.

Or

2. Almost all world leaders are incompetent.

From a purely statistical position it is very, very unlikely to be 2.

Honestly if the options are:

- Every single world government colluded on a single issue and all planned it and agreed to tanking their economies, risking mass unemployment, civil unrest, etc. without it being leaked by anyone.

Or,

- The leaders are incompetent.

As statistically unlikely as it is that every leader is incompetent, for me option 2 is the most likely. In reality though I think it's a mix of incompetence, poor planning and rash actions. There was an unknown threat with very little data coming from a country famous for muddying the truth or flat out lying on the international stage, I think most countries panicked and lockdown was settled on the best way to slow the spread and would be the most effective measure for keeping deaths low.

no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!

The agenda is not about the virus, it is about the cure and what follows.

Demoralization
Destabilisation
Crisis
Normalisation

There can be only two rational conclusions to the consistency in the global over reactions to the pandemic.

1. It was planned.

Or

2. Almost all world leaders are incompetent.

From a purely statistical position it is very, very unlikely to be 2.

Honestly if the options are:

- Every single world government colluded on a single issue and all planned it and agreed to tanking their economies, risking mass unemployment, civil unrest, etc. without it being leaked by anyone.

Or,

- The leaders are incompetent.

As statistically unlikely as it is that every leader is incompetent, for me option 2 is the most likely. In reality though I think it's a mix of incompetence, poor planning and rash actions. There was an unknown threat with very little data coming from a country famous for muddying the truth or flat out lying on the international stage, I think most countries panicked and lockdown was settled on the best way to slow the spread and would be the most effective measure for keeping deaths low.

I commented before on a similar thread that I don't actually know which of the two options scares me the most, both f'ing terrify me to be honest!

One other thought/question to add to the mix for consideration though...

Is politics downstream of the media?

The truth is that of course it is, and it always has been. Politicians tell us what we want to hear to keep themselves in power. The media control the opinions of the masses, the politicians who are supposed to be our leaders, instead play up to the masses, whose positions are coerced by the media.

Just look at recent movements, BLM and Extinction Rebellion, both positioned as grass roots movements, the reality is both of them are far too well funded, far too well organised, for them to have risen to the global prominence that they could have if this was to be the case.

Both are given excessive positive positioning in the media, with only one side of the narrative being pushed.

Only 24 companies own the the overwhelming majority of world media. In the US only 6 companies control the entirety of their media. Thats a lot of power amongst a very select group of billionaires.

To add counter-balance, it doesn't necessarily mean it is evidence of a some shady global cabal.

Another thought I have considered is it could all just be a bi-product of the internet age and especially social media.

A number of studies have shown that across social media content that triggers anger/hatred on gets more engagement than content that engenders positive emotions. As the media transitioned to a new digital centric model, reliant on social engagement, this has course, led to more negative news cycles, which re-enforce the negative forces in society and create a more polarised world. In one sense, it was always inevitably going to snowball.

So another option could be that there is no cabal, the politicians are not inherently worse than any other generation in that they are doing what they have always done and paid lip service to what they think the people want to keep themselves in power, and the media are not complicit in feeding the cycle but unaware.

Instead, it is perhaps simply all down to the introduction of the algorithms of social media that were initially created simply to drive profits, but are actually instead pushing us into an ever divisive echo chambers.

To be honest, it doesn't really matter, one way or the other we're pretty much f**cked.

no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!

The agenda is not about the virus, it is about the cure and what follows.

Demoralization
Destabilisation
Crisis
Normalisation

There can be only two rational conclusions to the consistency in the global over reactions to the pandemic.

1. It was planned.

Or

2. Almost all world leaders are incompetent.

From a purely statistical position it is very, very unlikely to be 2.

its become a lot like politics or football mate with people having chosen a side. including scientists...i honestly think politicians on all sides are going along with public opinion ..which is still strongly in favour of caution according to polls..
so the only way this ends is when people start changing their minds.... its a virus and even if its infects 4 times as many as yesterdays total will take 4 years to infect us all... do we lock down for 4 years ? or 15 years based on the current infections ..

OH! yesterday you said it would take 25 years to infect us all, and today you are saying it will take 4 years

its a pretty good idea to read posts properly before being critical....
and if you can not do very simple maths ..admit it instead of hiding behind laughing emojis because anyone that has worked it out took a minute and will find them accurate...
yes the other post { it wasnt yesterday } was based on 7k infections a day ...TIP...the numbers used are pretty important when working things out, and using different numbers today will then have a different result ...jeez..... i posted 25 years but its actually a bit more.. ..the post above..try reading it again... its not based on 7k..
as for missing the point..its crystal clear your afraid to even check things out.....so how would you even know.

no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!

The agenda is not about the virus, it is about the cure and what follows.

Demoralization
Destabilisation
Crisis
Normalisation

There can be only two rational conclusions to the consistency in the global over reactions to the pandemic.

1. It was planned.

Or

2. Almost all world leaders are incompetent.

From a purely statistical position it is very, very unlikely to be 2.

Honestly if the options are:

- Every single world government colluded on a single issue and all planned it and agreed to tanking their economies, risking mass unemployment, civil unrest, etc. without it being leaked by anyone.

Or,

- The leaders are incompetent.

As statistically unlikely as it is that every leader is incompetent, for me option 2 is the most likely. In reality though I think it's a mix of incompetence, poor planning and rash actions. There was an unknown threat with very little data coming from a country famous for muddying the truth or flat out lying on the international stage, I think most countries panicked and lockdown was settled on the best way to slow the spread and would be the most effective measure for keeping deaths low.

sort of agree, and certainly hope its just over reaction and not something more sinister... there was also considerable panic in early March and it was constantly on /in the media with the general public and personalities more or less demanding we followed other countries into lockdown.... which is where we still are.. public opinion is still quite strong re caution.. so its now an impossible task for all governments.. a virus which there might be no end to and a public who have been conditioned to think its far more dangerous than it actually is..

no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!

The agenda is not about the virus, it is about the cure and what follows.

Demoralization
Destabilisation
Crisis
Normalisation

There can be only two rational conclusions to the consistency in the global over reactions to the pandemic.

1. It was planned.

Or

2. Almost all world leaders are incompetent.

From a purely statistical position it is very, very unlikely to be 2.

its become a lot like politics or football mate with people having chosen a side. including scientists...i honestly think politicians on all sides are going along with public opinion ..which is still strongly in favour of caution according to polls..
so the only way this ends is when people start changing their minds.... its a virus and even if its infects 4 times as many as yesterdays total will take 4 years to infect us all... do we lock down for 4 years ? or 15 years based on the current infections ..

OH! yesterday you said it would take 25 years to infect us all, and today you are saying it will take 4 years

its a pretty good idea to read posts properly before being critical....
and if you can not do very simple maths ..admit it instead of hiding behind laughing emojis because anyone that has worked it out took a minute and will find them accurate...
yes the other post { it wasnt yesterday } was based on 7k infections a day ...TIP...the numbers used are pretty important when working things out, and using different numbers today will then have a different result ...jeez..... i posted 25 years but its actually a bit more.. ..the post above..try reading it again... its not based on 7k..
as for missing the point..its crystal clear your afraid to even check things out.....so how would you even know.

Claiming someone doesn’t know how to do simple maths when the idea of exponential growth has escaped you is rather ironic

no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!

The agenda is not about the virus, it is about the cure and what follows.

Demoralization
Destabilisation
Crisis
Normalisation

There can be only two rational conclusions to the consistency in the global over reactions to the pandemic.

1. It was planned.

Or

2. Almost all world leaders are incompetent.

From a purely statistical position it is very, very unlikely to be 2.

its become a lot like politics or football mate with people having chosen a side. including scientists...i honestly think politicians on all sides are going along with public opinion ..which is still strongly in favour of caution according to polls..
so the only way this ends is when people start changing their minds.... its a virus and even if its infects 4 times as many as yesterdays total will take 4 years to infect us all... do we lock down for 4 years ? or 15 years based on the current infections ..

OH! yesterday you said it would take 25 years to infect us all, and today you are saying it will take 4 years

its a pretty good idea to read posts properly before being critical....
and if you can not do very simple maths ..admit it instead of hiding behind laughing emojis because anyone that has worked it out took a minute and will find them accurate...
yes the other post { it wasnt yesterday } was based on 7k infections a day ...TIP...the numbers used are pretty important when working things out, and using different numbers today will then have a different result ...jeez..... i posted 25 years but its actually a bit more.. ..the post above..try reading it again... its not based on 7k..
as for missing the point..its crystal clear your afraid to even check things out.....so how would you even know.

Claiming someone doesn’t know how to do simple maths when the idea of exponential growth has escaped you is rather ironic

actually is because of expotential growth i put the 50k a day example up....which i thought was quite obvious because we have got nowhere near that level of daily infections..... be a fantastic idea to look the meanings of words up before being stupid eh ?
as for the maths... by all means say its correct..or incorrect and show how and why i was wrong.... not put laughing emojis up when you havent got a westcoastblue of whether correct or not....its contributing to scaremongering...

no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!

The agenda is not about the virus, it is about the cure and what follows.

Demoralization
Destabilisation
Crisis
Normalisation

There can be only two rational conclusions to the consistency in the global over reactions to the pandemic.

1. It was planned.

Or

2. Almost all world leaders are incompetent.

From a purely statistical position it is very, very unlikely to be 2.

its become a lot like politics or football mate with people having chosen a side. including scientists...i honestly think politicians on all sides are going along with public opinion ..which is still strongly in favour of caution according to polls..
so the only way this ends is when people start changing their minds.... its a virus and even if its infects 4 times as many as yesterdays total will take 4 years to infect us all... do we lock down for 4 years ? or 15 years based on the current infections ..

OH! yesterday you said it would take 25 years to infect us all, and today you are saying it will take 4 years

its a pretty good idea to read posts properly before being critical....
and if you can not do very simple maths ..admit it instead of hiding behind laughing emojis because anyone that has worked it out took a minute and will find them accurate...
yes the other post { it wasnt yesterday } was based on 7k infections a day ...TIP...the numbers used are pretty important when working things out, and using different numbers today will then have a different result ...jeez..... i posted 25 years but its actually a bit more.. ..the post above..try reading it again... its not based on 7k..
as for missing the point..its crystal clear your afraid to even check things out.....so how would you even know.

Claiming someone doesn’t know how to do simple maths when the idea of exponential growth has escaped you is rather ironic

actually is because of expotential growth i put the 50k a day example up....which i thought was quite obvious because we have got nowhere near that level of daily infections..... be a fantastic idea to look the meanings of words up before being stupid eh ?
as for the maths... by all means say its correct..or incorrect and show how and why i was wrong.... not put laughing emojis up when you havent got a westcoastblue of whether correct or not....its contributing to scaremongering...

You may have put your figure of 50k based on exponential growth but you’ve then forgotten about it. You’ve simply taken the population and divided it by 50k giving you ~4 years. If we hit 50k a day (which statistically we won’t as I doubt our testing capacity will be good enough to have that many positives) it won’t stay at 50k new infections every day for 4 years because of..... Exponential growth.
The same way your 25 year prediction has been blown out the water so will your 4 year prediction if the virus was allowed to spread unchecked.
In actuality though a combination of lockdowns, restrictions, increased and decreased testing capacities varying across the country, public compliance, winter complications and a multitude of other factors will mean we most likely won’t see a perfect exponentially increasing curve on an infection graph. I imagine it’ll be more S shaped, rising quicker over the coming days and then plateauing once we reach testing capacity or stricter measures are put in place.

As for scaremongering you’ve gone from assuring us we’ve got a maximum of 25 years before we get infected. Now you’ve slashed it to 4 years less than a week later Scary stuff.

no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!

The agenda is not about the virus, it is about the cure and what follows.

Demoralization
Destabilisation
Crisis
Normalisation

There can be only two rational conclusions to the consistency in the global over reactions to the pandemic.

1. It was planned.

Or

2. Almost all world leaders are incompetent.

From a purely statistical position it is very, very unlikely to be 2.

its become a lot like politics or football mate with people having chosen a side. including scientists...i honestly think politicians on all sides are going along with public opinion ..which is still strongly in favour of caution according to polls..
so the only way this ends is when people start changing their minds.... its a virus and even if its infects 4 times as many as yesterdays total will take 4 years to infect us all... do we lock down for 4 years ? or 15 years based on the current infections ..

OH! yesterday you said it would take 25 years to infect us all, and today you are saying it will take 4 years

its a pretty good idea to read posts properly before being critical....
and if you can not do very simple maths ..admit it instead of hiding behind laughing emojis because anyone that has worked it out took a minute and will find them accurate...
yes the other post { it wasnt yesterday } was based on 7k infections a day ...TIP...the numbers used are pretty important when working things out, and using different numbers today will then have a different result ...jeez..... i posted 25 years but its actually a bit more.. ..the post above..try reading it again... its not based on 7k..
as for missing the point..its crystal clear your afraid to even check things out.....so how would you even know.

Claiming someone doesn’t know how to do simple maths when the idea of exponential growth has escaped you is rather ironic

actually is because of expotential growth i put the 50k a day example up....which i thought was quite obvious because we have got nowhere near that level of daily infections..... be a fantastic idea to look the meanings of words up before being stupid eh ?
as for the maths... by all means say its correct..or incorrect and show how and why i was wrong.... not put laughing emojis up when you havent got a westcoastblue of whether correct or not....its contributing to scaremongering...

You may have put your figure of 50k based on exponential growth but you’ve then forgotten about it. You’ve simply taken the population and divided it by 50k giving you ~4 years. If we hit 50k a day (which statistically we won’t as I doubt our testing capacity will be good enough to have that many positives) it won’t stay at 50k new infections every day for 4 years because of..... Exponential growth.
The same way your 25 year prediction has been blown out the water so will your 4 year prediction if the virus was allowed to spread unchecked.
In actuality though a combination of lockdowns, restrictions, increased and decreased testing capacities varying across the country, public compliance, winter complications and a multitude of other factors will mean we most likely won’t see a perfect exponentially increasing curve on an infection graph. I imagine it’ll be more S shaped, rising quicker over the coming days and then plateauing once we reach testing capacity or stricter measures are put in place.

As for scaremongering you’ve gone from assuring us we’ve got a maximum of 25 years before we get infected. Now you’ve slashed it to 4 years less than a week later Scary stuff.

ah so you can see it now..so were wrong...
and no i then did not forget about it... try reading up a bit on it eh... in your haste to be wrong you quite clearly have not..
and no...something that would take 4 years even if infections quadruple is not scaremongering its giving this a little bit of perspective. { its not rampant ..}..which has been missing ...but eh oh keep wearing the end is nigh sandwich board and preaching its doom and gloom... the reality....the infections and deaths are nowhere near what was feared they might be ... our hospitals /NHS who the restrictions we were told were to protect { remember that } in general got nowhere near capacity in fact many were the quietest theyve ever been and are still running at a much reduced occupancy from previous years { its ok though...those empty beds were normally filled with ,malingerers and hypochondriacs so no harm done there } } .. and now we are in a position where there are restrictions for figures that no country would ever have initially locked down for..with a population at best uncertain of how frightened they should be...and already heavily criticised governments everywhere being ultra careful . with no explanation of what the goal or long term plan now is... is there a point where its back to normal if so what is it... ?

Instead, it is perhaps simply all down to the introduction of the algorithms of social media that were initially created simply to drive profits, but are actually instead pushing us into an ever divisive echo chambers.

To be honest, it doesn't really matter, one way or the other we're pretty much f**cked.[/quote]

It took a while but we could have a winner with this from Ealing! And if I'm agreeing with something he said we really are F**CKED!

no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!

The agenda is not about the virus, it is about the cure and what follows.

Demoralization
Destabilisation
Crisis
Normalisation

There can be only two rational conclusions to the consistency in the global over reactions to the pandemic.

1. It was planned.

Or

2. Almost all world leaders are incompetent.

From a purely statistical position it is very, very unlikely to be 2.

its become a lot like politics or football mate with people having chosen a side. including scientists...i honestly think politicians on all sides are going along with public opinion ..which is still strongly in favour of caution according to polls..
so the only way this ends is when people start changing their minds.... its a virus and even if its infects 4 times as many as yesterdays total will take 4 years to infect us all... do we lock down for 4 years ? or 15 years based on the current infections ..

OH! yesterday you said it would take 25 years to infect us all, and today you are saying it will take 4 years

its a pretty good idea to read posts properly before being critical....
and if you can not do very simple maths ..admit it instead of hiding behind laughing emojis because anyone that has worked it out took a minute and will find them accurate...
yes the other post { it wasnt yesterday } was based on 7k infections a day ...TIP...the numbers used are pretty important when working things out, and using different numbers today will then have a different result ...jeez..... i posted 25 years but its actually a bit more.. ..the post above..try reading it again... its not based on 7k..
as for missing the point..its crystal clear your afraid to even check things out.....so how would you even know.

Claiming someone doesn’t know how to do simple maths when the idea of exponential growth has escaped you is rather ironic

actually is because of expotential growth i put the 50k a day example up....which i thought was quite obvious because we have got nowhere near that level of daily infections..... be a fantastic idea to look the meanings of words up before being stupid eh ?
as for the maths... by all means say its correct..or incorrect and show how and why i was wrong.... not put laughing emojis up when you havent got a westcoastblue of whether correct or not....its contributing to scaremongering...

You may have put your figure of 50k based on exponential growth but you’ve then forgotten about it. You’ve simply taken the population and divided it by 50k giving you ~4 years. If we hit 50k a day (which statistically we won’t as I doubt our testing capacity will be good enough to have that many positives) it won’t stay at 50k new infections every day for 4 years because of..... Exponential growth.
The same way your 25 year prediction has been blown out the water so will your 4 year prediction if the virus was allowed to spread unchecked.
In actuality though a combination of lockdowns, restrictions, increased and decreased testing capacities varying across the country, public compliance, winter complications and a multitude of other factors will mean we most likely won’t see a perfect exponentially increasing curve on an infection graph. I imagine it’ll be more S shaped, rising quicker over the coming days and then plateauing once we reach testing capacity or stricter measures are put in place.

As for scaremongering you’ve gone from assuring us we’ve got a maximum of 25 years before we get infected. Now you’ve slashed it to 4 years less than a week later Scary stuff.

ah so you can see it now..so were wrong...
and no i then did not forget about it... try reading up a bit on it eh... in your haste to be wrong you quite clearly have not..
and no...something that would take 4 years even if infections quadruple is not scaremongering its giving this a little bit of perspective. { its not rampant ..}..which has been missing ...but eh oh keep wearing the end is nigh sandwich board and preaching its doom and gloom... the reality....the infections and deaths are nowhere near what was feared they might be ... our hospitals /NHS who the restrictions we were told were to protect { remember that } in general got nowhere near capacity in fact many were the quietest theyve ever been and are still running at a much reduced occupancy from previous years { its ok though...those empty beds were normally filled with ,malingerers and hypochondriacs so no harm done there } } .. and now we are in a position where there are restrictions for figures that no country would ever have initially locked down for..with a population at best uncertain of how frightened they should be...and already heavily criticised governments everywhere being ultra careful . with no explanation of what the goal or long term plan now is... is there a point where its back to normal if so what is it... ?

I'm really not sure which bit you think I've got wrong?
About a week ago you stated it would take 25 years for everyone to get infected because case numbers were around 7k infections a day.
Using approximate values:
66,500,000 / 7,000 = 9500 days or ~26 years
If we were looking at Linear Growth then the figure of ~25 years would be accurate.

Using Linear Growth we can estimate that using today's figures of ~17,000 new infections it would take roughly 10 years for the entire population of the UK to be infected.
66,500,000 / 17,000 = 3,911 days or ~10 years

Admittedly you have correctly used Exponential Growth to predict in several weeks there is a possibility we may see 50,000 new infections per day but you've then reverted back to using Linear Growth to make your prediction it would take 4 years to infect the entire population.

Using a Linear Growth equation the following maths would give you a value of 4 years.
66,500,000 / 50,000 = 1,330 days or ~4 years

- Linear Growth is when a measurable quantity (infection cases) increases by the same amount per unit of time (days).

- Exponential Growth is when a measurable quantity (infection cases) increases by a steadily increasing amount per unit per of time (days).

https://news.sky.com/story/coronvairus- ... r-12099947

Hmmmmmm

Instead, it is perhaps simply all down to the introduction of the algorithms of social media that were initially created simply to drive profits, but are actually instead pushing us into an ever divisive echo chambers.

To be honest, it doesn't really matter, one way or the other we're pretty much f**cked.

It took a while but we could have a winner with this from Ealing! And if I'm agreeing with something he said we really are F**CKED!

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

no one can say what that agenda is, only the conspiracy that it is to control the population. Come on someone, please give a rational explanation, of the agenda!

The agenda is not about the virus, it is about the cure and what follows.

Demoralization
Destabilisation
Crisis
Normalisation

There can be only two rational conclusions to the consistency in the global over reactions to the pandemic.

1. It was planned.

Or

2. Almost all world leaders are incompetent.

From a purely statistical position it is very, very unlikely to be 2.

its become a lot like politics or football mate with people having chosen a side. including scientists...i honestly think politicians on all sides are going along with public opinion ..which is still strongly in favour of caution according to polls..
so the only way this ends is when people start changing their minds.... its a virus and even if its infects 4 times as many as yesterdays total will take 4 years to infect us all... do we lock down for 4 years ? or 15 years based on the current infections ..

OH! yesterday you said it would take 25 years to infect us all, and today you are saying it will take 4 years

its a pretty good idea to read posts properly before being critical....
and if you can not do very simple maths ..admit it instead of hiding behind laughing emojis because anyone that has worked it out took a minute and will find them accurate...
yes the other post { it wasnt yesterday } was based on 7k infections a day ...TIP...the numbers used are pretty important when working things out, and using different numbers today will then have a different result ...jeez..... i posted 25 years but its actually a bit more.. ..the post above..try reading it again... its not based on 7k..
as for missing the point..its crystal clear your afraid to even check things out.....so how would you even know.

Claiming someone doesn’t know how to do simple maths when the idea of exponential growth has escaped you is rather ironic

actually is because of expotential growth i put the 50k a day example up....which i thought was quite obvious because we have got nowhere near that level of daily infections..... be a fantastic idea to look the meanings of words up before being stupid eh ?
as for the maths... by all means say its correct..or incorrect and show how and why i was wrong.... not put laughing emojis up when you havent got a westcoastblue of whether correct or not....its contributing to scaremongering...

You may have put your figure of 50k based on exponential growth but you’ve then forgotten about it. You’ve simply taken the population and divided it by 50k giving you ~4 years. If we hit 50k a day (which statistically we won’t as I doubt our testing capacity will be good enough to have that many positives) it won’t stay at 50k new infections every day for 4 years because of..... Exponential growth.
The same way your 25 year prediction has been blown out the water so will your 4 year prediction if the virus was allowed to spread unchecked.
In actuality though a combination of lockdowns, restrictions, increased and decreased testing capacities varying across the country, public compliance, winter complications and a multitude of other factors will mean we most likely won’t see a perfect exponentially increasing curve on an infection graph. I imagine it’ll be more S shaped, rising quicker over the coming days and then plateauing once we reach testing capacity or stricter measures are put in place.

As for scaremongering you’ve gone from assuring us we’ve got a maximum of 25 years before we get infected. Now you’ve slashed it to 4 years less than a week later Scary stuff.

ah so you can see it now..so were wrong...
and no i then did not forget about it... try reading up a bit on it eh... in your haste to be wrong you quite clearly have not..
and no...something that would take 4 years even if infections quadruple is not scaremongering its giving this a little bit of perspective. { its not rampant ..}..which has been missing ...but eh oh keep wearing the end is nigh sandwich board and preaching its doom and gloom... the reality....the infections and deaths are nowhere near what was feared they might be ... our hospitals /NHS who the restrictions we were told were to protect { remember that } in general got nowhere near capacity in fact many were the quietest theyve ever been and are still running at a much reduced occupancy from previous years { its ok though...those empty beds were normally filled with ,malingerers and hypochondriacs so no harm done there } } .. and now we are in a position where there are restrictions for figures that no country would ever have initially locked down for..with a population at best uncertain of how frightened they should be...and already heavily criticised governments everywhere being ultra careful . with no explanation of what the goal or long term plan now is... is there a point where its back to normal if so what is it... ?

I'm really not sure which bit you think I've got wrong?
About a week ago you stated it would take 25 years for everyone to get infected because case numbers were around 7k infections a day.
Using approximate values:
66,500,000 / 7,000 = 9500 days or ~26 years
If we were looking at Linear Growth then the figure of ~25 years would be accurate.

Using Linear Growth we can estimate that using today's figures of ~17,000 new infections it would take roughly 10 years for the entire population of the UK to be infected.
66,500,000 / 17,000 = 3,911 days or ~10 years

Admittedly you have correctly used Exponential Growth to predict in several weeks there is a possibility we may see 50,000 new infections per day but you've then reverted back to using Linear Growth to make your prediction it would take 4 years to infect the entire population.

Using a Linear Growth equation the following maths would give you a value of 4 years.
66,500,000 / 50,000 = 1,330 days or ~4 years

- Linear Growth is when a measurable quantity (infection cases) increases by the same amount per unit of time (days).

- Exponential Growth is when a measurable quantity (infection cases) increases by a steadily increasing amount per unit per of time (days).

yes i assumed growth because had i not, i thought some pedant would be on here claiming there has been growth... which there will be.. 50k ? well its a figure we have not been close too { but you could use a 100k a day and its still 2 years } . you can not use pure exponential growth because its a virus.{ which means there are unknowns and randomness } . so yes even at 50k infections a day it will take 4 years for everyone to get it..thank you for saying im correct AGAIN after trying desperately on google to claim differently { are you josh younger brother or something } . its an insane amount of time to be under restrictions and a period of time in which over two million of our population { including the vast majority of the old and weak that this is supposedly protecting } will have died of other causes only having missed celebrations, seeing much of their relatives and a big chunk of any quality they had left...

https://news.sky.com/story/coronvairus-dr-johnny-bananas-and-dr-person-fakename-among-medical-signatories-on-herd-immunity-open-letter-12099947

Hmmmmmm

yes indeed.... i doubt very much there have been too many petitions without Donald Duck etc on them..
but very very few where a few non de plumes have managed to get a Sky article..

well done for spotting some of this biased reporting... ..that is what you were getting at ?

https://news.sky.com/story/coronvairus-dr-johnny-bananas-and-dr-person-fakename-among-medical-signatories-on-herd-immunity-open-letter-12099947

Hmmmmmm

yes indeed.... i doubt very much there have been too many petitions without Donald Duck etc on them..
but very very few where a few non de plumes have managed to get a Sky article..

well done for spotting some of this biased reporting... ..that is what you were getting at ?

Also knowing Sky (Sly) News wouldn’t surprise me if they put them there themselves just to make a news story. But even if it was a hundred top scientists then it needs to be taken seriously. The fact idiots that have put there name there is immaterial. But herd immunity makes sense 100% the fact Sweden have done it so far with great results it needs to be taken seriously.
To many people are dying not of Covid19 but because of Covid19 and the people who have been brainwashed and frightened to death need to realise this. In the Express today they are saying a poll they done is saying that 60% of Brits would back a stricter lockdown. If this is true then that is very sad indeed. 60% should go very careful what they wish for.

Don't worry nuclear I'll help your cause. Just signed the declaration twice. Dr. Josef Mengele from auschwitz and Rev. Mao Zedong reporting for duty. I also ticked the medical scientist box so you can add 2 to your scientist pile.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronvairus-dr-johnny-bananas-and-dr-person-fakename-among-medical-signatories-on-herd-immunity-open-letter-12099947

Hmmmmmm

yes indeed.... i doubt very much there have been too many petitions without Donald Duck etc on them..
but very very few where a few non de plumes have managed to get a Sky article..

well done for spotting some of this biased reporting... ..that is what you were getting at ?

Also knowing Sky (Sly) News wouldn’t surprise me if they put them there themselves just to make a news story. But even if it was a hundred top scientists then it needs to be taken seriously. The fact idiots that have put there name there is immaterial. But herd immunity makes sense 100% the fact Sweden have done it so far with great results it needs to be taken seriously.
To many people are dying not of Covid19 but because of Covid19 and the people who have been brainwashed and frightened to death need to realise this. In the Express today they are saying a poll they done is saying that 60% of Brits would back a stricter lockdown. If this is true then that is very sad indeed. 60% should go very careful what they wish for.

Simply, A) we don't even know if herd immunity would work
B) Compared to the other nordic countries Sweden really aren't doing well.