Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:57 am
Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:12 am
Igovernor wrote:US election: Trump won't commit to peaceful transfer of power
When asked, President Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election
US President Donald Trump has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses November's election.
"Well, we'll have to see what happens," the president told a news conference at the White House. "You know that."
Mr Trump also said he believed the election result could end up in the US Supreme Court, as he again cast doubt on postal voting.
More states are encouraging mail-in voting, citing the need to keep Americans safe from coronavirus.
What did Trump say?
Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.
"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."
When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there will be a continuation."
Back in 2016, Mr Trump also refused to commit to accepting the election results in his contest against the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, which she characterized as an attack on democracy.
He was eventually declared the winner, although he lost the popular vote by three million, an outcome he still questioned.
Mitt Romney, a Republican senator who is a rarity in his party because he occasionally criticizes the president, tweeted on Wednesday: "Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus.
"Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable."
What have Democrats said?
Speaking to reporters in Delaware, Mr Biden said Mr Trump's comments on the transition of power were "irrational".
His campaign said it was prepared for any "shenanigans" from the president.
The Democrat's team also said "the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House".
Mr Biden has himself been accused by conservatives of stoking unrest over the election by saying in August: "Does anyone believe there will be less violence in America if Donald Trump is re-elected?"
Last month, Mrs Clinton urged Mr Biden this time not to concede defeat "under any circumstances" in a close race on election night.
She raised the scenario that Republicans would try "messing up absentee balloting" and mobilize an army of lawyers to contest the result.
What did Trump say about the Supreme Court?
Earlier on Wednesday, the US president defended his decision to seek the appointment of a new Supreme Court justice before the presidential election, saying he expects the vote results to end up before the court.
"I think this [the election] will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it's very important that we have nine justices," the president said.
"I think it's better if you go before the election, because I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling, it's a scam, the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court."
How Ruth Bader Ginsburg personally shaped our lives
Mr Trump was apparently referring to his much-disputed claims that mail-in ballots are vulnerable to fraud.
The president has said he will name a female nominee for the court this Saturday. She would replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died last Friday.
Mr Trump's supporters hope his nominee, if confirmed by the US Senate, will cement a 6-3 conservative ascendancy on the nation's highest court for the foreseeable future.
Every losing US presidential candidate in modern times has conceded, even in very tight electoral results.
These include 1960 when John F Kennedy narrowly beat Richard Nixon and in 2000 when George W Bush beat Al Gore in Florida.
Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:18 am
Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:30 am
Igovernor wrote:I actually listened to his speech and that is exactly what he said, no media spin, directly out of the horses mouth
Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:24 am
Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:20 am
wez1927 wrote:Igovernor wrote:US election: Trump won't commit to peaceful transfer of power
When asked, President Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election
US President Donald Trump has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses November's election.
"Well, we'll have to see what happens," the president told a news conference at the White House. "You know that."
Mr Trump also said he believed the election result could end up in the US Supreme Court, as he again cast doubt on postal voting.
More states are encouraging mail-in voting, citing the need to keep Americans safe from coronavirus.
What did Trump say?
Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.
"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."
When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there will be a continuation."
Back in 2016, Mr Trump also refused to commit to accepting the election results in his contest against the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, which she characterized as an attack on democracy.
He was eventually declared the winner, although he lost the popular vote by three million, an outcome he still questioned.
Mitt Romney, a Republican senator who is a rarity in his party because he occasionally criticizes the president, tweeted on Wednesday: "Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus.
"Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable."
What have Democrats said?
Speaking to reporters in Delaware, Mr Biden said Mr Trump's comments on the transition of power were "irrational".
His campaign said it was prepared for any "shenanigans" from the president.
The Democrat's team also said "the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House".
Mr Biden has himself been accused by conservatives of stoking unrest over the election by saying in August: "Does anyone believe there will be less violence in America if Donald Trump is re-elected?"
Last month, Mrs Clinton urged Mr Biden this time not to concede defeat "under any circumstances" in a close race on election night.
She raised the scenario that Republicans would try "messing up absentee balloting" and mobilize an army of lawyers to contest the result.
What did Trump say about the Supreme Court?
Earlier on Wednesday, the US president defended his decision to seek the appointment of a new Supreme Court justice before the presidential election, saying he expects the vote results to end up before the court.
"I think this [the election] will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it's very important that we have nine justices," the president said.
"I think it's better if you go before the election, because I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling, it's a scam, the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court."
How Ruth Bader Ginsburg personally shaped our lives
Mr Trump was apparently referring to his much-disputed claims that mail-in ballots are vulnerable to fraud.
The president has said he will name a female nominee for the court this Saturday. She would replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died last Friday.
Mr Trump's supporters hope his nominee, if confirmed by the US Senate, will cement a 6-3 conservative ascendancy on the nation's highest court for the foreseeable future.
Every losing US presidential candidate in modern times has conceded, even in very tight electoral results.
These include 1960 when John F Kennedy narrowly beat Richard Nixon and in 2000 when George W Bush beat Al Gore in Florida.
Have the Democrats and Obama abided by the transfer of power ? Endless phoney impeachment trials ,spying on the trump campaign? Do your research the media take one sentence and spin it
Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:36 am
JasonFowler1991 wrote:I personally prefer Trump over the war obsessed Democrats. Under the Democrats the middle east was blown to pieces, with the ripple on effects being felt worldwide, with the refugee crisis and resulting terror attacks.
Under Trump we have seen peace between Israel, Bahrain and UAE, as well as between Kosovo and Serbia. It is also looking more increasingly likely that there will be peace between N. and S. Korea as well as other middle eastern countries and Israel. That is where my moral compass stands.
I personally am hoping, and fully expect, he does another term.
By the way, the postal voting system is known to be flawed. Over half a million ballots were rejected during the Primaries. He has a right to be suspicious, especially after giving the postal service over 10 billion in July. Why do they require more?
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/22/90469346 ... acing-2016
Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:00 am
WestCoastBlue wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:I personally prefer Trump over the war obsessed Democrats. Under the Democrats the middle east was blown to pieces, with the ripple on effects being felt worldwide, with the refugee crisis and resulting terror attacks.
Under Trump we have seen peace between Israel, Bahrain and UAE, as well as between Kosovo and Serbia. It is also looking more increasingly likely that there will be peace between N. and S. Korea as well as other middle eastern countries and Israel. That is where my moral compass stands.
I personally am hoping, and fully expect, he does another term.
By the way, the postal voting system is known to be flawed. Over half a million ballots were rejected during the Primaries. He has a right to be suspicious, especially after giving the postal service over 10 billion in July. Why do they require more?
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/22/90469346 ... acing-2016
Those 500,000 rejected votes you mention, they were due to being posted/arriving too late or being spoiled or incorrectly filled in not because of voter fraud.
Mail in voting has been happening since the 1800s, it was even used during the civil war. Voting by mail is arguably safer than the in person electronic machines that is standard across America. In the 2016 election 27% of the total votes were done by mail, you can't receive a ballot unless you're registered, the postal ballots have unique bar codes to prevent duplicates, they need to be signed by the voter who's signature is then scanned against their signature when they register to vote and then if there is any suspicion of voter fraud there's a paper trail that can be audited and investigated.
All of those safety measures are in place against going to a poll station flashing your ID then clicking a candidate on a screen.
And as for the safety of those machines, there’s several cases where coincidentally when there’s been evidence of tampering it’s usually been in favour of the Republicans.
Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:15 pm
Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:56 pm
JasonFowler1991 wrote:So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.
With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting
In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html
In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.
The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked
In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting
The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.
The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:24 pm
piledriver64 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.
With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting
In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html
In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.
The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked
In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting
The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.
The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.
But that miss delivering of votes is a postal problem not an electoral one !! Even Trump himself said that a couple of years ago when he was lambasting the US Postal service !!
The evidence is far from clear. If you have the proper governance behind postal/on-line voting it can be at least as secure as in person voting, if not more so.
If Trump is that confident about his popularity then surely he would want as many avenues for voting open as possible not precluding a significant proportion of electorate ?
Rejected votes happen in every election in every country however, the 2.7 million votes could have made a big difference particularly as the overall number of votes for Trump was 3 million less than the Democrats last time. I really don't understand why Trump is making this an issue, if he has the mass appeal that he says he has surely stopping the postal votes will hit him as much as the Democrats ?
Or is he suddenly less confident about that mass appeal and worried that the electoral college system might let him down this time !!??
Or could it be that the section of the community statistically most likely to use postal voting are those that won't vote for him
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:25 pm
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:27 pm
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:33 pm
JasonFowler1991 wrote:piledriver64 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.
With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting
In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html
In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.
The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked
In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting
The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.
The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.
But that miss delivering of votes is a postal problem not an electoral one !! Even Trump himself said that a couple of years ago when he was lambasting the US Postal service !!
The evidence is far from clear. If you have the proper governance behind postal/on-line voting it can be at least as secure as in person voting, if not more so.
If Trump is that confident about his popularity then surely he would want as many avenues for voting open as possible not precluding a significant proportion of electorate ?
Rejected votes happen in every election in every country however, the 2.7 million votes could have made a big difference particularly as the overall number of votes for Trump was 3 million less than the Democrats last time. I really don't understand why Trump is making this an issue, if he has the mass appeal that he says he has surely stopping the postal votes will hit him as much as the Democrats ?
Or is he suddenly less confident about that mass appeal and worried that the electoral college system might let him down this time !!??
Or could it be that the section of the community statistically most likely to use postal voting are those that won't vote for him
If the postal service is experiencing issues and is supporting the voting process, then those issues become electoral issues too.
The reason Trump finds it an issue, is because he wants the fairest process possible, which in its current set up would be in person voting for all of the reasons I've already mentioned. Ideally we would move to a system that uses the Blockchain in the future.
Why do you feel the communities who would vote by mail are less likely to vote for Trump? Those most likely are from ethnic minority groups and people with disabilities.
If we focus on ethnic minority groups - they are employed now in greater numbers than they were under Obama and any time before that. Additionally, they now find themselves in positions of power - E.G Tony Pham - a refugee - leads I.C.E, as well as a soon to be Cuban Supreme Court Judge.
You also have the executive order for hispanic prosperity.
I can also go on to record low levels of poverty for the African community and the 8,000 + opportunity zones he has created, helping those who most need support.
In terms of those with disabilities he recently signed a bill protecting the disability payments for veterans who declare bankruptcy.
You only need to see the boat rallies and the Trump trains, to see the support he actually has. Although none of this is shown on Mainstream media, they would like you to believe Orange Man is bad and has no support.
Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:54 pm
JasonFowler1991 wrote:piledriver64 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.
With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting
In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html
In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.
The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked
In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting
The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.
The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.
But that miss delivering of votes is a postal problem not an electoral one !! Even Trump himself said that a couple of years ago when he was lambasting the US Postal service !!
The evidence is far from clear. If you have the proper governance behind postal/on-line voting it can be at least as secure as in person voting, if not more so.
If Trump is that confident about his popularity then surely he would want as many avenues for voting open as possible not precluding a significant proportion of electorate ?
Rejected votes happen in every election in every country however, the 2.7 million votes could have made a big difference particularly as the overall number of votes for Trump was 3 million less than the Democrats last time. I really don't understand why Trump is making this an issue, if he has the mass appeal that he says he has surely stopping the postal votes will hit him as much as the Democrats ?
Or is he suddenly less confident about that mass appeal and worried that the electoral college system might let him down this time !!??
Or could it be that the section of the community statistically most likely to use postal voting are those that won't vote for him
If the postal service is experiencing issues and is supporting the voting process, then those issues become electoral issues too.
, which in its current set up would be in person voting for all of the reasons I've already mentioned. Ideally we would move to a system that uses the Blockchain in the future.
Why do you feel the communities who would vote by mail are less likely to vote for Trump? Those most likely are from ethnic minority groups and people with disabilities.
If we focus on ethnic minority groups - they are employed now in greater numbers than they were under Obama and any time before that. Additionally, they now find themselves in positions of power - E.G Tony Pham - a refugee - leads I.C.E, as well as a soon to be Cuban Supreme Court Judge.
You also have the executive order for hispanic prosperity.
I can also go on to record low levels of poverty for the African community and the 8,000 + opportunity zones he has created, helping those who most need support.
In terms of those with disabilities he recently signed a bill protecting the disability payments for veterans who declare bankruptcy.
You only need to see the boat rallies and the Trump trains, to see the support he actually has. Although none of this is shown on Mainstream media, they would like you to believe Orange Man is bad and has no support.
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:17 pm
piledriver64 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:piledriver64 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.
With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting
In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html
In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.
The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked
In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting
The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.
The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.
But that miss delivering of votes is a postal problem not an electoral one !! Even Trump himself said that a couple of years ago when he was lambasting the US Postal service !!
The evidence is far from clear. If you have the proper governance behind postal/on-line voting it can be at least as secure as in person voting, if not more so.
If Trump is that confident about his popularity then surely he would want as many avenues for voting open as possible not precluding a significant proportion of electorate ?
Rejected votes happen in every election in every country however, the 2.7 million votes could have made a big difference particularly as the overall number of votes for Trump was 3 million less than the Democrats last time. I really don't understand why Trump is making this an issue, if he has the mass appeal that he says he has surely stopping the postal votes will hit him as much as the Democrats ?
Or is he suddenly less confident about that mass appeal and worried that the electoral college system might let him down this time !!??
Or could it be that the section of the community statistically most likely to use postal voting are those that won't vote for him
If the postal service is experiencing issues and is supporting the voting process, then those issues become electoral issues too.
, which in its current set up would be in person voting for all of the reasons I've already mentioned. Ideally we would move to a system that uses the Blockchain in the future.
Why do you feel the communities who would vote by mail are less likely to vote for Trump? Those most likely are from ethnic minority groups and people with disabilities.
If we focus on ethnic minority groups - they are employed now in greater numbers than they were under Obama and any time before that. Additionally, they now find themselves in positions of power - E.G Tony Pham - a refugee - leads I.C.E, as well as a soon to be Cuban Supreme Court Judge.
You also have the executive order for hispanic prosperity.
I can also go on to record low levels of poverty for the African community and the 8,000 + opportunity zones he has created, helping those who most need support.
In terms of those with disabilities he recently signed a bill protecting the disability payments for veterans who declare bankruptcy.
You only need to see the boat rallies and the Trump trains, to see the support he actually has. Although none of this is shown on Mainstream media, they would like you to believe Orange Man is bad and has no support.
Where have I said "communities who would vote by mail are less likely to vote for Trump" ? I've posed a question because I'm at a loss as to why any fair minded politician would want to supress the vote !!
Postal voting is used right across the world. Are you saying that, arguably, the most advanced economy on Earth cannot organise a fair postal voting system or that all other developed countries elections are flawed ? It's the latter then you really are starting to lose any credibility that you might have had
As for your comment "The reason Trump finds it an issue, is because he wants the fairest process possible", I'll ask again; How can stopping people voting in the manner they choose, and a manner that is used across the world, make this a fairer process ?
This election is going to leave a bad taste in many people's mouths and I think very little of that will be caused by postal voting
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:21 pm
Igovernor wrote:US election: Trump won't commit to peaceful transfer of power
When asked, President Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election
US President Donald Trump has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses November's election.
"Well, we'll have to see what happens," the president told a news conference at the White House. "You know that."
Mr Trump also said he believed the election result could end up in the US Supreme Court, as he again cast doubt on postal voting.
More states are encouraging mail-in voting, citing the need to keep Americans safe from coronavirus.
What did Trump say?
Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.
"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."
When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there will be a continuation."
Back in 2016, Mr Trump also refused to commit to accepting the election results in his contest against the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, which she characterized as an attack on democracy.
He was eventually declared the winner, although he lost the popular vote by three million, an outcome he still questioned.
Mitt Romney, a Republican senator who is a rarity in his party because he occasionally criticizes the president, tweeted on Wednesday: "Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus.
"Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable."
What have Democrats said?
Speaking to reporters in Delaware, Mr Biden said Mr Trump's comments on the transition of power were "irrational".
His campaign said it was prepared for any "shenanigans" from the president.
The Democrat's team also said "the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House".
Mr Biden has himself been accused by conservatives of stoking unrest over the election by saying in August: "Does anyone believe there will be less violence in America if Donald Trump is re-elected?"
Last month, Mrs Clinton urged Mr Biden this time not to concede defeat "under any circumstances" in a close race on election night.
She raised the scenario that Republicans would try "messing up absentee balloting" and mobilize an army of lawyers to contest the result.
What did Trump say about the Supreme Court?
Earlier on Wednesday, the US president defended his decision to seek the appointment of a new Supreme Court justice before the presidential election, saying he expects the vote results to end up before the court.
"I think this [the election] will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it's very important that we have nine justices," the president said.
"I think it's better if you go before the election, because I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling, it's a scam, the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court."
How Ruth Bader Ginsburg personally shaped our lives
Mr Trump was apparently referring to his much-disputed claims that mail-in ballots are vulnerable to fraud.
The president has said he will name a female nominee for the court this Saturday. She would replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died last Friday.
Mr Trump's supporters hope his nominee, if confirmed by the US Senate, will cement a 6-3 conservative ascendancy on the nation's highest court for the foreseeable future.
Every losing US presidential candidate in modern times has conceded, even in very tight electoral results.
These include 1960 when John F Kennedy narrowly beat Richard Nixon and in 2000 when George W Bush beat Al Gore in Florida.
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:21 pm
Igovernor wrote:US election: Trump won't commit to peaceful transfer of power
When asked, President Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election
US President Donald Trump has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses November's election.
"Well, we'll have to see what happens," the president told a news conference at the White House. "You know that."
Mr Trump also said he believed the election result could end up in the US Supreme Court, as he again cast doubt on postal voting.
More states are encouraging mail-in voting, citing the need to keep Americans safe from coronavirus.
What did Trump say?
Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.
"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."
When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there will be a continuation."
Back in 2016, Mr Trump also refused to commit to accepting the election results in his contest against the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, which she characterized as an attack on democracy.
He was eventually declared the winner, although he lost the popular vote by three million, an outcome he still questioned.
Mitt Romney, a Republican senator who is a rarity in his party because he occasionally criticizes the president, tweeted on Wednesday: "Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus.
"Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable."
What have Democrats said?
Speaking to reporters in Delaware, Mr Biden said Mr Trump's comments on the transition of power were "irrational".
His campaign said it was prepared for any "shenanigans" from the president.
The Democrat's team also said "the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House".
Mr Biden has himself been accused by conservatives of stoking unrest over the election by saying in August: "Does anyone believe there will be less violence in America if Donald Trump is re-elected?"
Last month, Mrs Clinton urged Mr Biden this time not to concede defeat "under any circumstances" in a close race on election night.
She raised the scenario that Republicans would try "messing up absentee balloting" and mobilize an army of lawyers to contest the result.
What did Trump say about the Supreme Court?
Earlier on Wednesday, the US president defended his decision to seek the appointment of a new Supreme Court justice before the presidential election, saying he expects the vote results to end up before the court.
"I think this [the election] will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it's very important that we have nine justices," the president said.
"I think it's better if you go before the election, because I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling, it's a scam, the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court."
How Ruth Bader Ginsburg personally shaped our lives
Mr Trump was apparently referring to his much-disputed claims that mail-in ballots are vulnerable to fraud.
The president has said he will name a female nominee for the court this Saturday. She would replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died last Friday.
Mr Trump's supporters hope his nominee, if confirmed by the US Senate, will cement a 6-3 conservative ascendancy on the nation's highest court for the foreseeable future.
Every losing US presidential candidate in modern times has conceded, even in very tight electoral results.
These include 1960 when John F Kennedy narrowly beat Richard Nixon and in 2000 when George W Bush beat Al Gore in Florida.
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:27 pm
robjohn wrote:Igovernor wrote:US election: Trump won't commit to peaceful transfer of power
When asked, President Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election
US President Donald Trump has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses November's election.
"Well, we'll have to see what happens," the president told a news conference at the White House. "You know that."
Mr Trump also said he believed the election result could end up in the US Supreme Court, as he again cast doubt on postal voting.
More states are encouraging mail-in voting, citing the need to keep Americans safe from coronavirus.
What did Trump say?
Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.
"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."
When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there will be a continuation."
Back in 2016, Mr Trump also refused to commit to accepting the election results in his contest against the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, which she characterized as an attack on democracy.
He was eventually declared the winner, although he lost the popular vote by three million, an outcome he still questioned.
Mitt Romney, a Republican senator who is a rarity in his party because he occasionally criticizes the president, tweeted on Wednesday: "Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus.
"Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable."
What have Democrats said?
Speaking to reporters in Delaware, Mr Biden said Mr Trump's comments on the transition of power were "irrational".
His campaign said it was prepared for any "shenanigans" from the president.
The Democrat's team also said "the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House".
Mr Biden has himself been accused by conservatives of stoking unrest over the election by saying in August: "Does anyone believe there will be less violence in America if Donald Trump is re-elected?"
Last month, Mrs Clinton urged Mr Biden this time not to concede defeat "under any circumstances" in a close race on election night.
She raised the scenario that Republicans would try "messing up absentee balloting" and mobilize an army of lawyers to contest the result.
What did Trump say about the Supreme Court?
Earlier on Wednesday, the US president defended his decision to seek the appointment of a new Supreme Court justice before the presidential election, saying he expects the vote results to end up before the court.
"I think this [the election] will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it's very important that we have nine justices," the president said.
"I think it's better if you go before the election, because I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling, it's a scam, the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court."
How Ruth Bader Ginsburg personally shaped our lives
Mr Trump was apparently referring to his much-disputed claims that mail-in ballots are vulnerable to fraud.
The president has said he will name a female nominee for the court this Saturday. She would replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died last Friday.
Mr Trump's supporters hope his nominee, if confirmed by the US Senate, will cement a 6-3 conservative ascendancy on the nation's highest court for the foreseeable future.
Every losing US presidential candidate in modern times has conceded, even in very tight electoral results.
These include 1960 when John F Kennedy narrowly beat Richard Nixon and in 2000 when George W Bush beat Al Gore in Florida.
Trump didn't destroy the middle east or try to use the fbi to stage a coup.
he also didn't bail out the banks and kick 5 million americans out of the homes.
the reason they have Trump is because the democrats are disgusting criminals
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:32 pm
Welshman in CA wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:piledriver64 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.
With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting
In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html
In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.
The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked
In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting
The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.
The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.
But that miss delivering of votes is a postal problem not an electoral one !! Even Trump himself said that a couple of years ago when he was lambasting the US Postal service !!
The evidence is far from clear. If you have the proper governance behind postal/on-line voting it can be at least as secure as in person voting, if not more so.
If Trump is that confident about his popularity then surely he would want as many avenues for voting open as possible not precluding a significant proportion of electorate ?
Rejected votes happen in every election in every country however, the 2.7 million votes could have made a big difference particularly as the overall number of votes for Trump was 3 million less than the Democrats last time. I really don't understand why Trump is making this an issue, if he has the mass appeal that he says he has surely stopping the postal votes will hit him as much as the Democrats ?
Or is he suddenly less confident about that mass appeal and worried that the electoral college system might let him down this time !!??
Or could it be that the section of the community statistically most likely to use postal voting are those that won't vote for him
If the postal service is experiencing issues and is supporting the voting process, then those issues become electoral issues too.
The reason Trump finds it an issue, is because he wants the fairest process possible, which in its current set up would be in person voting for all of the reasons I've already mentioned. Ideally we would move to a system that uses the Blockchain in the future.
Why do you feel the communities who would vote by mail are less likely to vote for Trump? Those most likely are from ethnic minority groups and people with disabilities.
If we focus on ethnic minority groups - they are employed now in greater numbers than they were under Obama and any time before that. Additionally, they now find themselves in positions of power - E.G Tony Pham - a refugee - leads I.C.E, as well as a soon to be Cuban Supreme Court Judge.
You also have the executive order for hispanic prosperity.
I can also go on to record low levels of poverty for the African community and the 8,000 + opportunity zones he has created, helping those who most need support.
In terms of those with disabilities he recently signed a bill protecting the disability payments for veterans who declare bankruptcy.
You only need to see the boat rallies and the Trump trains, to see the support he actually has. Although none of this is shown on Mainstream media, they would like you to believe Orange Man is bad and has no support.
Jason, where do you live? A country will do?
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:38 pm
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Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:46 pm
JimmyJazz wrote:Welshman in CA wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:piledriver64 wrote:JasonFowler1991 wrote:So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.
With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting
In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html
In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.
The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked
In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting
The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.
The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.
But that miss delivering of votes is a postal problem not an electoral one !! Even Trump himself said that a couple of years ago when he was lambasting the US Postal service !!
The evidence is far from clear. If you have the proper governance behind postal/on-line voting it can be at least as secure as in person voting, if not more so.
If Trump is that confident about his popularity then surely he would want as many avenues for voting open as possible not precluding a significant proportion of electorate ?
Rejected votes happen in every election in every country however, the 2.7 million votes could have made a big difference particularly as the overall number of votes for Trump was 3 million less than the Democrats last time. I really don't understand why Trump is making this an issue, if he has the mass appeal that he says he has surely stopping the postal votes will hit him as much as the Democrats ?
Or is he suddenly less confident about that mass appeal and worried that the electoral college system might let him down this time !!??
Or could it be that the section of the community statistically most likely to use postal voting are those that won't vote for him
If the postal service is experiencing issues and is supporting the voting process, then those issues become electoral issues too.
The reason Trump finds it an issue, is because he wants the fairest process possible, which in its current set up would be in person voting for all of the reasons I've already mentioned. Ideally we would move to a system that uses the Blockchain in the future.
Why do you feel the communities who would vote by mail are less likely to vote for Trump? Those most likely are from ethnic minority groups and people with disabilities.
If we focus on ethnic minority groups - they are employed now in greater numbers than they were under Obama and any time before that. Additionally, they now find themselves in positions of power - E.G Tony Pham - a refugee - leads I.C.E, as well as a soon to be Cuban Supreme Court Judge.
You also have the executive order for hispanic prosperity.
I can also go on to record low levels of poverty for the African community and the 8,000 + opportunity zones he has created, helping those who most need support.
In terms of those with disabilities he recently signed a bill protecting the disability payments for veterans who declare bankruptcy.
You only need to see the boat rallies and the Trump trains, to see the support he actually has. Although none of this is shown on Mainstream media, they would like you to believe Orange Man is bad and has no support.
Jason, where do you live? A country will do?
Somewhere in Roath!!
Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:55 pm
JasonFowler1991 wrote:I personally prefer Trump over the war obsessed Democrats. Under the Democrats the middle east was blown to pieces, with the ripple on effects being felt worldwide, with the refugee crisis and resulting terror attacks.
Under Trump we have seen peace between Israel, Bahrain and UAE, as well as between Kosovo and Serbia. It is also looking more increasingly likely that there will be peace between N. and S. Korea as well as other middle eastern countries and Israel. That is where my moral compass stands.
I personally am hoping, and fully expect, he does another term.
By the way, the postal voting system is known to be flawed. Over half a million ballots were rejected during the Primaries. He has a right to be suspicious, especially after giving the postal service over 10 billion in July. Why do they require more?
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/22/90469346 ... acing-2016
Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:11 pm
Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:56 pm
robjohn wrote:Anyone who calls out the disgusting MSM by me, I have never known so many lies being told by them every day,
and for some reason the bbc sky and itv have followed suit never mind ch4 news which is basically a shower of shit.
Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:23 pm
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:robjohn wrote:Anyone who calls out the disgusting MSM by me, I have never known so many lies being told by them every day,
and for some reason the bbc sky and itv have followed suit never mind ch4 news which is basically a shower of shit.
Pithy but quite true. As Trump says, the US msm are largely the media propaganda arm of the Democrats. Mark Dice calls them the 'media industrial complex.'
Not seen much (any?) UK coverage of the Senate report on Biden corruption released 23rd September:
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majo ... estigation
Where reported in the US msm this has been relegated to minor news and quickly dismissed.
Thing is, the swine -and they are not alone, see Clinton Foundation -have been selling US policy in exchange for money and taking kickbacks from foreign aid.
Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:05 am