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Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:57 am

US election: Trump won't commit to peaceful transfer of power


When asked, President Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election

US President Donald Trump has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses November's election.

"Well, we'll have to see what happens," the president told a news conference at the White House. "You know that."

Mr Trump also said he believed the election result could end up in the US Supreme Court, as he again cast doubt on postal voting.

More states are encouraging mail-in voting, citing the need to keep Americans safe from coronavirus.
What did Trump say?

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there will be a continuation."

Back in 2016, Mr Trump also refused to commit to accepting the election results in his contest against the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, which she characterized as an attack on democracy.

He was eventually declared the winner, although he lost the popular vote by three million, an outcome he still questioned.

Mitt Romney, a Republican senator who is a rarity in his party because he occasionally criticizes the president, tweeted on Wednesday: "Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus.

"Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable."
What have Democrats said?

Speaking to reporters in Delaware, Mr Biden said Mr Trump's comments on the transition of power were "irrational".

His campaign said it was prepared for any "shenanigans" from the president.

The Democrat's team also said "the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House".

Mr Biden has himself been accused by conservatives of stoking unrest over the election by saying in August: "Does anyone believe there will be less violence in America if Donald Trump is re-elected?"

Last month, Mrs Clinton urged Mr Biden this time not to concede defeat "under any circumstances" in a close race on election night.

She raised the scenario that Republicans would try "messing up absentee balloting" and mobilize an army of lawyers to contest the result.

What did Trump say about the Supreme Court?

Earlier on Wednesday, the US president defended his decision to seek the appointment of a new Supreme Court justice before the presidential election, saying he expects the vote results to end up before the court.

"I think this [the election] will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it's very important that we have nine justices," the president said.

"I think it's better if you go before the election, because I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling, it's a scam, the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court."
How Ruth Bader Ginsburg personally shaped our lives

Mr Trump was apparently referring to his much-disputed claims that mail-in ballots are vulnerable to fraud.

The president has said he will name a female nominee for the court this Saturday. She would replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died last Friday.

Mr Trump's supporters hope his nominee, if confirmed by the US Senate, will cement a 6-3 conservative ascendancy on the nation's highest court for the foreseeable future.

Every losing US presidential candidate in modern times has conceded, even in very tight electoral results.

These include 1960 when John F Kennedy narrowly beat Richard Nixon and in 2000 when George W Bush beat Al Gore in Florida.

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:12 am

Igovernor wrote:US election: Trump won't commit to peaceful transfer of power


When asked, President Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election

US President Donald Trump has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses November's election.

"Well, we'll have to see what happens," the president told a news conference at the White House. "You know that."

Mr Trump also said he believed the election result could end up in the US Supreme Court, as he again cast doubt on postal voting.

More states are encouraging mail-in voting, citing the need to keep Americans safe from coronavirus.
What did Trump say?

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there will be a continuation."

Back in 2016, Mr Trump also refused to commit to accepting the election results in his contest against the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, which she characterized as an attack on democracy.

He was eventually declared the winner, although he lost the popular vote by three million, an outcome he still questioned.

Mitt Romney, a Republican senator who is a rarity in his party because he occasionally criticizes the president, tweeted on Wednesday: "Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus.

"Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable."
What have Democrats said?

Speaking to reporters in Delaware, Mr Biden said Mr Trump's comments on the transition of power were "irrational".

His campaign said it was prepared for any "shenanigans" from the president.

The Democrat's team also said "the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House".

Mr Biden has himself been accused by conservatives of stoking unrest over the election by saying in August: "Does anyone believe there will be less violence in America if Donald Trump is re-elected?"

Last month, Mrs Clinton urged Mr Biden this time not to concede defeat "under any circumstances" in a close race on election night.

She raised the scenario that Republicans would try "messing up absentee balloting" and mobilize an army of lawyers to contest the result.

What did Trump say about the Supreme Court?

Earlier on Wednesday, the US president defended his decision to seek the appointment of a new Supreme Court justice before the presidential election, saying he expects the vote results to end up before the court.

"I think this [the election] will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it's very important that we have nine justices," the president said.

"I think it's better if you go before the election, because I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling, it's a scam, the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court."
How Ruth Bader Ginsburg personally shaped our lives

Mr Trump was apparently referring to his much-disputed claims that mail-in ballots are vulnerable to fraud.

The president has said he will name a female nominee for the court this Saturday. She would replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died last Friday.

Mr Trump's supporters hope his nominee, if confirmed by the US Senate, will cement a 6-3 conservative ascendancy on the nation's highest court for the foreseeable future.

Every losing US presidential candidate in modern times has conceded, even in very tight electoral results.

These include 1960 when John F Kennedy narrowly beat Richard Nixon and in 2000 when George W Bush beat Al Gore in Florida.

Have the Democrats and Obama abided by the transfer of power ? Endless phoney impeachment trials ,spying on the trump campaign? Do your research the media take one sentence and spin it

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:18 am

I actually listened to his speech and that is exactly what he said, no media spin, directly out of the horses mouth :laughing6:

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:30 am

Igovernor wrote:I actually listened to his speech and that is exactly what he said, no media spin, directly out of the horses mouth :laughing6:



last month mrs Clinton urged Biden..blah blah blah... is the exact same thing isnt it ?

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:24 am

I personally prefer Trump over the war obsessed Democrats. Under the Democrats the middle east was blown to pieces, with the ripple on effects being felt worldwide, with the refugee crisis and resulting terror attacks.

Under Trump we have seen peace between Israel, Bahrain and UAE, as well as between Kosovo and Serbia. It is also looking more increasingly likely that there will be peace between N. and S. Korea as well as other middle eastern countries and Israel. That is where my moral compass stands.

I personally am hoping, and fully expect, he does another term.

By the way, the postal voting system is known to be flawed. Over half a million ballots were rejected during the Primaries. He has a right to be suspicious, especially after giving the postal service over 10 billion in July. Why do they require more?

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/22/90469346 ... acing-2016

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:20 am

wez1927 wrote:
Igovernor wrote:US election: Trump won't commit to peaceful transfer of power


When asked, President Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election

US President Donald Trump has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses November's election.

"Well, we'll have to see what happens," the president told a news conference at the White House. "You know that."

Mr Trump also said he believed the election result could end up in the US Supreme Court, as he again cast doubt on postal voting.

More states are encouraging mail-in voting, citing the need to keep Americans safe from coronavirus.
What did Trump say?

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there will be a continuation."

Back in 2016, Mr Trump also refused to commit to accepting the election results in his contest against the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, which she characterized as an attack on democracy.

He was eventually declared the winner, although he lost the popular vote by three million, an outcome he still questioned.

Mitt Romney, a Republican senator who is a rarity in his party because he occasionally criticizes the president, tweeted on Wednesday: "Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus.

"Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable."
What have Democrats said?

Speaking to reporters in Delaware, Mr Biden said Mr Trump's comments on the transition of power were "irrational".

His campaign said it was prepared for any "shenanigans" from the president.

The Democrat's team also said "the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House".

Mr Biden has himself been accused by conservatives of stoking unrest over the election by saying in August: "Does anyone believe there will be less violence in America if Donald Trump is re-elected?"

Last month, Mrs Clinton urged Mr Biden this time not to concede defeat "under any circumstances" in a close race on election night.

She raised the scenario that Republicans would try "messing up absentee balloting" and mobilize an army of lawyers to contest the result.

What did Trump say about the Supreme Court?

Earlier on Wednesday, the US president defended his decision to seek the appointment of a new Supreme Court justice before the presidential election, saying he expects the vote results to end up before the court.

"I think this [the election] will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it's very important that we have nine justices," the president said.

"I think it's better if you go before the election, because I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling, it's a scam, the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court."
How Ruth Bader Ginsburg personally shaped our lives

Mr Trump was apparently referring to his much-disputed claims that mail-in ballots are vulnerable to fraud.

The president has said he will name a female nominee for the court this Saturday. She would replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died last Friday.

Mr Trump's supporters hope his nominee, if confirmed by the US Senate, will cement a 6-3 conservative ascendancy on the nation's highest court for the foreseeable future.

Every losing US presidential candidate in modern times has conceded, even in very tight electoral results.

These include 1960 when John F Kennedy narrowly beat Richard Nixon and in 2000 when George W Bush beat Al Gore in Florida.

Have the Democrats and Obama abided by the transfer of power ? Endless phoney impeachment trials ,spying on the trump campaign? Do your research the media take one sentence and spin it


You can add the threat of impeachment again, just because he wants to elect someone to the Supreme Court, which is within the constitution and is his duty. Least forgetting the Democrats did the exact same thing in 2016.

https://twitter.com/ITGuy1959/status/13 ... 8487628802

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:36 am

JasonFowler1991 wrote:I personally prefer Trump over the war obsessed Democrats. Under the Democrats the middle east was blown to pieces, with the ripple on effects being felt worldwide, with the refugee crisis and resulting terror attacks.

Under Trump we have seen peace between Israel, Bahrain and UAE, as well as between Kosovo and Serbia. It is also looking more increasingly likely that there will be peace between N. and S. Korea as well as other middle eastern countries and Israel. That is where my moral compass stands.

I personally am hoping, and fully expect, he does another term.

By the way, the postal voting system is known to be flawed. Over half a million ballots were rejected during the Primaries. He has a right to be suspicious, especially after giving the postal service over 10 billion in July. Why do they require more?

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/22/90469346 ... acing-2016


Those 500,000 rejected votes you mention, they were due to being posted/arriving too late or being spoiled or incorrectly filled in not because of voter fraud.
Mail in voting has been happening since the 1800s, it was even used during the civil war. Voting by mail is arguably safer than the in person electronic machines that is standard across America. In the 2016 election 27% of the total votes were done by mail, you can't receive a ballot unless you're registered, the postal ballots have unique bar codes to prevent duplicates, they need to be signed by the voter who's signature is then scanned against their signature when they register to vote and then if there is any suspicion of voter fraud there's a paper trail that can be audited and investigated.

All of those safety measures are in place against going to a poll station flashing your ID then clicking a candidate on a screen.

And as for the safety of those machines, there’s several cases where coincidentally when there’s been evidence of tampering it’s usually been in favour of the Republicans.

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:00 am

WestCoastBlue wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:I personally prefer Trump over the war obsessed Democrats. Under the Democrats the middle east was blown to pieces, with the ripple on effects being felt worldwide, with the refugee crisis and resulting terror attacks.

Under Trump we have seen peace between Israel, Bahrain and UAE, as well as between Kosovo and Serbia. It is also looking more increasingly likely that there will be peace between N. and S. Korea as well as other middle eastern countries and Israel. That is where my moral compass stands.

I personally am hoping, and fully expect, he does another term.

By the way, the postal voting system is known to be flawed. Over half a million ballots were rejected during the Primaries. He has a right to be suspicious, especially after giving the postal service over 10 billion in July. Why do they require more?

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/22/90469346 ... acing-2016


Those 500,000 rejected votes you mention, they were due to being posted/arriving too late or being spoiled or incorrectly filled in not because of voter fraud.
Mail in voting has been happening since the 1800s, it was even used during the civil war. Voting by mail is arguably safer than the in person electronic machines that is standard across America. In the 2016 election 27% of the total votes were done by mail, you can't receive a ballot unless you're registered, the postal ballots have unique bar codes to prevent duplicates, they need to be signed by the voter who's signature is then scanned against their signature when they register to vote and then if there is any suspicion of voter fraud there's a paper trail that can be audited and investigated.

All of those safety measures are in place against going to a poll station flashing your ID then clicking a candidate on a screen.

And as for the safety of those machines, there’s several cases where coincidentally when there’s been evidence of tampering it’s usually been in favour of the Republicans.


Agreed.

There is a very strong argument that postal/on-line as just as, if not, more secure than voting in person.

It's slightly different in the US, but in this country all you need to know is the name and address (you don't even need your polling card) and you can vote !! Absolutely no check on your ID !!

Trump is just not thinking this through and, to a lesser extent, nor are the Democrats.

The result will be the result, end of. He's had 4 years to correct the system if he thought it was wrong but chose not to do so, why ?

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:15 pm

So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.

With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html

In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.

The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked

In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.

The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:56 pm

JasonFowler1991 wrote:So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.

With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html

In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.

The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked

In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.

The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.



But that miss delivering of votes is a postal problem not an electoral one !! Even Trump himself said that a couple of years ago when he was lambasting the US Postal service !!

The evidence is far from clear. If you have the proper governance behind postal/on-line voting it can be at least as secure as in person voting, if not more so.

If Trump is that confident about his popularity then surely he would want as many avenues for voting open as possible not precluding a significant proportion of electorate ?

Rejected votes happen in every election in every country however, the 2.7 million votes could have made a big difference particularly as the overall number of votes for Trump was 3 million less than the Democrats last time. I really don't understand why Trump is making this an issue, if he has the mass appeal that he says he has surely stopping the postal votes will hit him as much as the Democrats ?

Or is he suddenly less confident about that mass appeal and worried that the electoral college system might let him down this time !!??

Or could it be that the section of the community statistically most likely to use postal voting are those that won't vote for him :? :shock:

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:24 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.

With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html

In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.

The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked

In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.

The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.



But that miss delivering of votes is a postal problem not an electoral one !! Even Trump himself said that a couple of years ago when he was lambasting the US Postal service !!

The evidence is far from clear. If you have the proper governance behind postal/on-line voting it can be at least as secure as in person voting, if not more so.

If Trump is that confident about his popularity then surely he would want as many avenues for voting open as possible not precluding a significant proportion of electorate ?

Rejected votes happen in every election in every country however, the 2.7 million votes could have made a big difference particularly as the overall number of votes for Trump was 3 million less than the Democrats last time. I really don't understand why Trump is making this an issue, if he has the mass appeal that he says he has surely stopping the postal votes will hit him as much as the Democrats ?

Or is he suddenly less confident about that mass appeal and worried that the electoral college system might let him down this time !!??

Or could it be that the section of the community statistically most likely to use postal voting are those that won't vote for him :? :shock:


If the postal service is experiencing issues and is supporting the voting process, then those issues become electoral issues too.

The reason Trump finds it an issue, is because he wants the fairest process possible, which in its current set up would be in person voting for all of the reasons I've already mentioned. Ideally we would move to a system that uses the Blockchain in the future.

Why do you feel the communities who would vote by mail are less likely to vote for Trump? Those most likely are from ethnic minority groups and people with disabilities.
If we focus on ethnic minority groups - they are employed now in greater numbers than they were under Obama and any time before that. Additionally, they now find themselves in positions of power - E.G Tony Pham - a refugee - leads I.C.E, as well as a soon to be Cuban Supreme Court Judge.
You also have the executive order for hispanic prosperity.

I can also go on to record low levels of poverty for the African community and the 8,000 + opportunity zones he has created, helping those who most need support.

In terms of those with disabilities he recently signed a bill protecting the disability payments for veterans who declare bankruptcy.

You only need to see the boat rallies and the Trump trains, to see the support he actually has. Although none of this is shown on Mainstream media, they would like you to believe Orange Man is bad and has no support.

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:25 pm

One thing you can say about Donald Trump is that he is truthful about his beliefs when he speaks.

Also does what he can to fulfil his promises.


I don't agree in his politics in way at all. I describe myself as left of centre, and Trump is very far from that obviously.

But he has strong beliefs that he follows through on.


I think he'll win in November. The American press are making the mistake of underestimating him again.

Just as in 2016, the Democrats have not put in a strong candidate. Trump will have enough support to remain President.

It may be a different story in 2024 when Trump won't be able to stand, but the Democrats will still need a much better candidate than Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden.

Barack Obama and Bill Clinton were in a different league to those two.

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:27 pm

If Johnny Fucktard does get returned there will be a war with either China over Taiwan and various issues in the South China Sea or Iran. For you Trump fans please read "Fear: Trump in the Whitehouse" by Bob Woodward of Watergate fame. Even the rabid rednecks have to accept Woodward's credentials. I have read it , it is horrifying. Trump is the perfect sociopath/psychopath, a petulant moron incapable of rational thought .He watches Fox news for guidance laughable if it was not true, his grasp of the world/world affairs is cretinous bordering criminal unaware we were a nuclear power for chris'ts sake. His abusive disregard of war dead confirmed by The Atlantic journalisst was beyond contempt. How anyone could vote for this turd is beyond me?

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:33 pm

JasonFowler1991 wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.

With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html

In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.

The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked

In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.

The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.



But that miss delivering of votes is a postal problem not an electoral one !! Even Trump himself said that a couple of years ago when he was lambasting the US Postal service !!

The evidence is far from clear. If you have the proper governance behind postal/on-line voting it can be at least as secure as in person voting, if not more so.

If Trump is that confident about his popularity then surely he would want as many avenues for voting open as possible not precluding a significant proportion of electorate ?

Rejected votes happen in every election in every country however, the 2.7 million votes could have made a big difference particularly as the overall number of votes for Trump was 3 million less than the Democrats last time. I really don't understand why Trump is making this an issue, if he has the mass appeal that he says he has surely stopping the postal votes will hit him as much as the Democrats ?

Or is he suddenly less confident about that mass appeal and worried that the electoral college system might let him down this time !!??

Or could it be that the section of the community statistically most likely to use postal voting are those that won't vote for him :? :shock:


If the postal service is experiencing issues and is supporting the voting process, then those issues become electoral issues too.

The reason Trump finds it an issue, is because he wants the fairest process possible, which in its current set up would be in person voting for all of the reasons I've already mentioned. Ideally we would move to a system that uses the Blockchain in the future.

Why do you feel the communities who would vote by mail are less likely to vote for Trump? Those most likely are from ethnic minority groups and people with disabilities.
If we focus on ethnic minority groups - they are employed now in greater numbers than they were under Obama and any time before that. Additionally, they now find themselves in positions of power - E.G Tony Pham - a refugee - leads I.C.E, as well as a soon to be Cuban Supreme Court Judge.
You also have the executive order for hispanic prosperity.

I can also go on to record low levels of poverty for the African community and the 8,000 + opportunity zones he has created, helping those who most need support.

In terms of those with disabilities he recently signed a bill protecting the disability payments for veterans who declare bankruptcy.

You only need to see the boat rallies and the Trump trains, to see the support he actually has. Although none of this is shown on Mainstream media, they would like you to believe Orange Man is bad and has no support.


Jason, where do you live? A country will do?

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:54 pm

JasonFowler1991 wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.

With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html

In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.

The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked

In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.

The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.



But that miss delivering of votes is a postal problem not an electoral one !! Even Trump himself said that a couple of years ago when he was lambasting the US Postal service !!

The evidence is far from clear. If you have the proper governance behind postal/on-line voting it can be at least as secure as in person voting, if not more so.

If Trump is that confident about his popularity then surely he would want as many avenues for voting open as possible not precluding a significant proportion of electorate ?

Rejected votes happen in every election in every country however, the 2.7 million votes could have made a big difference particularly as the overall number of votes for Trump was 3 million less than the Democrats last time. I really don't understand why Trump is making this an issue, if he has the mass appeal that he says he has surely stopping the postal votes will hit him as much as the Democrats ?

Or is he suddenly less confident about that mass appeal and worried that the electoral college system might let him down this time !!??

Or could it be that the section of the community statistically most likely to use postal voting are those that won't vote for him :? :shock:


If the postal service is experiencing issues and is supporting the voting process, then those issues become electoral issues too.

, which in its current set up would be in person voting for all of the reasons I've already mentioned. Ideally we would move to a system that uses the Blockchain in the future.

Why do you feel the communities who would vote by mail are less likely to vote for Trump? Those most likely are from ethnic minority groups and people with disabilities.
If we focus on ethnic minority groups - they are employed now in greater numbers than they were under Obama and any time before that. Additionally, they now find themselves in positions of power - E.G Tony Pham - a refugee - leads I.C.E, as well as a soon to be Cuban Supreme Court Judge.
You also have the executive order for hispanic prosperity.

I can also go on to record low levels of poverty for the African community and the 8,000 + opportunity zones he has created, helping those who most need support.

In terms of those with disabilities he recently signed a bill protecting the disability payments for veterans who declare bankruptcy.

You only need to see the boat rallies and the Trump trains, to see the support he actually has. Although none of this is shown on Mainstream media, they would like you to believe Orange Man is bad and has no support.


Where have I said "communities who would vote by mail are less likely to vote for Trump" ? I've posed a question because I'm at a loss as to why any fair minded politician would want to supress the vote !!

Postal voting is used right across the world. Are you saying that, arguably, the most advanced economy on Earth cannot organise a fair postal voting system or that all other developed countries elections are flawed ? It's the latter then you really are starting to lose any credibility that you might have had :roll:

As for your comment "The reason Trump finds it an issue, is because he wants the fairest process possible", I'll ask again; How can stopping people voting in the manner they choose, and a manner that is used across the world, make this a fairer process ?

This election is going to leave a bad taste in many people's mouths and I think very little of that will be caused by postal voting :shock: :lol: :lol:

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:17 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.

With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html

In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.

The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked

In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.

The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.



But that miss delivering of votes is a postal problem not an electoral one !! Even Trump himself said that a couple of years ago when he was lambasting the US Postal service !!

The evidence is far from clear. If you have the proper governance behind postal/on-line voting it can be at least as secure as in person voting, if not more so.

If Trump is that confident about his popularity then surely he would want as many avenues for voting open as possible not precluding a significant proportion of electorate ?

Rejected votes happen in every election in every country however, the 2.7 million votes could have made a big difference particularly as the overall number of votes for Trump was 3 million less than the Democrats last time. I really don't understand why Trump is making this an issue, if he has the mass appeal that he says he has surely stopping the postal votes will hit him as much as the Democrats ?

Or is he suddenly less confident about that mass appeal and worried that the electoral college system might let him down this time !!??

Or could it be that the section of the community statistically most likely to use postal voting are those that won't vote for him :? :shock:


If the postal service is experiencing issues and is supporting the voting process, then those issues become electoral issues too.

, which in its current set up would be in person voting for all of the reasons I've already mentioned. Ideally we would move to a system that uses the Blockchain in the future.

Why do you feel the communities who would vote by mail are less likely to vote for Trump? Those most likely are from ethnic minority groups and people with disabilities.
If we focus on ethnic minority groups - they are employed now in greater numbers than they were under Obama and any time before that. Additionally, they now find themselves in positions of power - E.G Tony Pham - a refugee - leads I.C.E, as well as a soon to be Cuban Supreme Court Judge.
You also have the executive order for hispanic prosperity.

I can also go on to record low levels of poverty for the African community and the 8,000 + opportunity zones he has created, helping those who most need support.

In terms of those with disabilities he recently signed a bill protecting the disability payments for veterans who declare bankruptcy.

You only need to see the boat rallies and the Trump trains, to see the support he actually has. Although none of this is shown on Mainstream media, they would like you to believe Orange Man is bad and has no support.


Where have I said "communities who would vote by mail are less likely to vote for Trump" ? I've posed a question because I'm at a loss as to why any fair minded politician would want to supress the vote !!

Postal voting is used right across the world. Are you saying that, arguably, the most advanced economy on Earth cannot organise a fair postal voting system or that all other developed countries elections are flawed ? It's the latter then you really are starting to lose any credibility that you might have had :roll:

As for your comment "The reason Trump finds it an issue, is because he wants the fairest process possible", I'll ask again; How can stopping people voting in the manner they choose, and a manner that is used across the world, make this a fairer process ?

This election is going to leave a bad taste in many people's mouths and I think very little of that will be caused by postal voting :shock: :lol: :lol:


I've mentioned the issues relating to postal voting in my previous posts, and those issues are universal not just for America. I do believe postal voting has its uses for those who physically cannot vote e.g those in the armed forces, living abroad, disabilities and so on.
However, those who are able to vote in person should. This makes sure the system is as safe and fair as possible. As mentioned in my previous post, we should move to a Blockchain backed system, as this completely eradicates all of those doubts.

Regarding how "How can stopping people voting in the manner they choose, and a manner that is used across the world, make this a fairer process ?" I've already answered the question. By voting in person you are decreasing and/or eliminating the issues raised. No system is perfect, they're all flawed. But voting by mail is the most flawed.

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:21 pm

Igovernor wrote:US election: Trump won't commit to peaceful transfer of power


When asked, President Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election

US President Donald Trump has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses November's election.

"Well, we'll have to see what happens," the president told a news conference at the White House. "You know that."

Mr Trump also said he believed the election result could end up in the US Supreme Court, as he again cast doubt on postal voting.

More states are encouraging mail-in voting, citing the need to keep Americans safe from coronavirus.
What did Trump say?

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there will be a continuation."

Back in 2016, Mr Trump also refused to commit to accepting the election results in his contest against the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, which she characterized as an attack on democracy.

He was eventually declared the winner, although he lost the popular vote by three million, an outcome he still questioned.

Mitt Romney, a Republican senator who is a rarity in his party because he occasionally criticizes the president, tweeted on Wednesday: "Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus.

"Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable."
What have Democrats said?

Speaking to reporters in Delaware, Mr Biden said Mr Trump's comments on the transition of power were "irrational".

His campaign said it was prepared for any "shenanigans" from the president.

The Democrat's team also said "the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House".

Mr Biden has himself been accused by conservatives of stoking unrest over the election by saying in August: "Does anyone believe there will be less violence in America if Donald Trump is re-elected?"

Last month, Mrs Clinton urged Mr Biden this time not to concede defeat "under any circumstances" in a close race on election night.

She raised the scenario that Republicans would try "messing up absentee balloting" and mobilize an army of lawyers to contest the result.

What did Trump say about the Supreme Court?

Earlier on Wednesday, the US president defended his decision to seek the appointment of a new Supreme Court justice before the presidential election, saying he expects the vote results to end up before the court.

"I think this [the election] will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it's very important that we have nine justices," the president said.

"I think it's better if you go before the election, because I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling, it's a scam, the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court."
How Ruth Bader Ginsburg personally shaped our lives

Mr Trump was apparently referring to his much-disputed claims that mail-in ballots are vulnerable to fraud.

The president has said he will name a female nominee for the court this Saturday. She would replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died last Friday.

Mr Trump's supporters hope his nominee, if confirmed by the US Senate, will cement a 6-3 conservative ascendancy on the nation's highest court for the foreseeable future.

Every losing US presidential candidate in modern times has conceded, even in very tight electoral results.

These include 1960 when John F Kennedy narrowly beat Richard Nixon and in 2000 when George W Bush beat Al Gore in Florida.


Trump didn't destroy the middle east or try to use the fbi to stage a coup.
he also didn't bail out the banks and kick 5 million americans out of the homes.
the reason they have Trump is because the democrats are disgusting criminals

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:21 pm

Igovernor wrote:US election: Trump won't commit to peaceful transfer of power


When asked, President Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election

US President Donald Trump has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses November's election.

"Well, we'll have to see what happens," the president told a news conference at the White House. "You know that."

Mr Trump also said he believed the election result could end up in the US Supreme Court, as he again cast doubt on postal voting.

More states are encouraging mail-in voting, citing the need to keep Americans safe from coronavirus.
What did Trump say?

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there will be a continuation."

Back in 2016, Mr Trump also refused to commit to accepting the election results in his contest against the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, which she characterized as an attack on democracy.

He was eventually declared the winner, although he lost the popular vote by three million, an outcome he still questioned.

Mitt Romney, a Republican senator who is a rarity in his party because he occasionally criticizes the president, tweeted on Wednesday: "Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus.

"Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable."
What have Democrats said?

Speaking to reporters in Delaware, Mr Biden said Mr Trump's comments on the transition of power were "irrational".

His campaign said it was prepared for any "shenanigans" from the president.

The Democrat's team also said "the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House".

Mr Biden has himself been accused by conservatives of stoking unrest over the election by saying in August: "Does anyone believe there will be less violence in America if Donald Trump is re-elected?"

Last month, Mrs Clinton urged Mr Biden this time not to concede defeat "under any circumstances" in a close race on election night.

She raised the scenario that Republicans would try "messing up absentee balloting" and mobilize an army of lawyers to contest the result.

What did Trump say about the Supreme Court?

Earlier on Wednesday, the US president defended his decision to seek the appointment of a new Supreme Court justice before the presidential election, saying he expects the vote results to end up before the court.

"I think this [the election] will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it's very important that we have nine justices," the president said.

"I think it's better if you go before the election, because I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling, it's a scam, the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court."
How Ruth Bader Ginsburg personally shaped our lives

Mr Trump was apparently referring to his much-disputed claims that mail-in ballots are vulnerable to fraud.

The president has said he will name a female nominee for the court this Saturday. She would replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died last Friday.

Mr Trump's supporters hope his nominee, if confirmed by the US Senate, will cement a 6-3 conservative ascendancy on the nation's highest court for the foreseeable future.

Every losing US presidential candidate in modern times has conceded, even in very tight electoral results.

These include 1960 when John F Kennedy narrowly beat Richard Nixon and in 2000 when George W Bush beat Al Gore in Florida.


Trump didn't destroy the middle east or try to use the fbi to stage a coup.
he also didn't bail out the banks and kick 5 million americans out of the homes.
the reason they have Trump is because the democrats are disgusting criminals

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:27 pm

robjohn wrote:
Igovernor wrote:US election: Trump won't commit to peaceful transfer of power


When asked, President Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election

US President Donald Trump has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses November's election.

"Well, we'll have to see what happens," the president told a news conference at the White House. "You know that."

Mr Trump also said he believed the election result could end up in the US Supreme Court, as he again cast doubt on postal voting.

More states are encouraging mail-in voting, citing the need to keep Americans safe from coronavirus.
What did Trump say?

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there will be a continuation."

Back in 2016, Mr Trump also refused to commit to accepting the election results in his contest against the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, which she characterized as an attack on democracy.

He was eventually declared the winner, although he lost the popular vote by three million, an outcome he still questioned.

Mitt Romney, a Republican senator who is a rarity in his party because he occasionally criticizes the president, tweeted on Wednesday: "Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus.

"Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable."
What have Democrats said?

Speaking to reporters in Delaware, Mr Biden said Mr Trump's comments on the transition of power were "irrational".

His campaign said it was prepared for any "shenanigans" from the president.

The Democrat's team also said "the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House".

Mr Biden has himself been accused by conservatives of stoking unrest over the election by saying in August: "Does anyone believe there will be less violence in America if Donald Trump is re-elected?"

Last month, Mrs Clinton urged Mr Biden this time not to concede defeat "under any circumstances" in a close race on election night.

She raised the scenario that Republicans would try "messing up absentee balloting" and mobilize an army of lawyers to contest the result.

What did Trump say about the Supreme Court?

Earlier on Wednesday, the US president defended his decision to seek the appointment of a new Supreme Court justice before the presidential election, saying he expects the vote results to end up before the court.

"I think this [the election] will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it's very important that we have nine justices," the president said.

"I think it's better if you go before the election, because I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling, it's a scam, the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court."
How Ruth Bader Ginsburg personally shaped our lives

Mr Trump was apparently referring to his much-disputed claims that mail-in ballots are vulnerable to fraud.

The president has said he will name a female nominee for the court this Saturday. She would replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died last Friday.

Mr Trump's supporters hope his nominee, if confirmed by the US Senate, will cement a 6-3 conservative ascendancy on the nation's highest court for the foreseeable future.

Every losing US presidential candidate in modern times has conceded, even in very tight electoral results.

These include 1960 when John F Kennedy narrowly beat Richard Nixon and in 2000 when George W Bush beat Al Gore in Florida.


Trump didn't destroy the middle east or try to use the fbi to stage a coup.
he also didn't bail out the banks and kick 5 million americans out of the homes.
the reason they have Trump is because the democrats are disgusting criminals


Agreed. And now you have the likes of Pelosi, Obama, Clinton and Biden blaming Trump for all of America's problems.
Those 4 have a combined total of 100 + years in congress and are blaming the guy who has been there for 4 years. They also claim they will resolve all of the issues they have failed to address over that timeframe (arguably made those issues worse). Its quite comical that anyone listens to them to be honest.

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:32 pm

Welshman in CA wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.

With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html

In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.

The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked

In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.

The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.



But that miss delivering of votes is a postal problem not an electoral one !! Even Trump himself said that a couple of years ago when he was lambasting the US Postal service !!

The evidence is far from clear. If you have the proper governance behind postal/on-line voting it can be at least as secure as in person voting, if not more so.

If Trump is that confident about his popularity then surely he would want as many avenues for voting open as possible not precluding a significant proportion of electorate ?

Rejected votes happen in every election in every country however, the 2.7 million votes could have made a big difference particularly as the overall number of votes for Trump was 3 million less than the Democrats last time. I really don't understand why Trump is making this an issue, if he has the mass appeal that he says he has surely stopping the postal votes will hit him as much as the Democrats ?

Or is he suddenly less confident about that mass appeal and worried that the electoral college system might let him down this time !!??

Or could it be that the section of the community statistically most likely to use postal voting are those that won't vote for him :? :shock:


If the postal service is experiencing issues and is supporting the voting process, then those issues become electoral issues too.

The reason Trump finds it an issue, is because he wants the fairest process possible, which in its current set up would be in person voting for all of the reasons I've already mentioned. Ideally we would move to a system that uses the Blockchain in the future.

Why do you feel the communities who would vote by mail are less likely to vote for Trump? Those most likely are from ethnic minority groups and people with disabilities.
If we focus on ethnic minority groups - they are employed now in greater numbers than they were under Obama and any time before that. Additionally, they now find themselves in positions of power - E.G Tony Pham - a refugee - leads I.C.E, as well as a soon to be Cuban Supreme Court Judge.
You also have the executive order for hispanic prosperity.

I can also go on to record low levels of poverty for the African community and the 8,000 + opportunity zones he has created, helping those who most need support.

In terms of those with disabilities he recently signed a bill protecting the disability payments for veterans who declare bankruptcy.

You only need to see the boat rallies and the Trump trains, to see the support he actually has. Although none of this is shown on Mainstream media, they would like you to believe Orange Man is bad and has no support.


Jason, where do you live? A country will do?


Somewhere in Roath!!

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:38 pm

I don’t think Trump is either of these things, but that doesn’t mean I think he’s a saint – how many politicians are? If you are looking for crooks, do some research into the Clintons. If you are looking for warmongers check out Obama’s record and if you are looking for an idiot, look no further than Joe Biden, who can’t help the fact that his cognitive functions are failing rapidly. Ever since Trump came to office, the MSM has been grotesquely misrepresenting what he has said, disparaged or ignored any good things he has done (and there are many good things) and painted him as a racist, fascist, sexist idiot. The vitriol began even before he became the Republican candidate. I was active on the UK left in 2016 and the social media tirade against Trump was unprecedented – and being a loyal lefty, I accepted all that was said about him as gospel. Since leaving the left – or since the left, left me (due to the Brexit betrayal) – I have felt free to research into anything and anybody. I started to ask myself why Trump was targetted in this way by the liberal dominated MSM and the left. Is it possible that this is because Trump has not been bought by anyone; because he is not a member of the club of politicians who are mere puppets of the Deep State? As soon as he took office, the Democrats and the MSM (apart from Fox News) have attacked him relentlessly and tried to impeach him twice. Old Hilary is talking about the discredited Russiagate fiasco even now – she can’t let go.

In the US at the moment, there is an uneasy alliance between the Deep State (which largely controls social media and MSM), the progressive and centrist wings of the Democrat Party and the Marxist, vanguard factions (i.e. BLM and Antifa). The latter are funded massively by George Soros (of the Deep State) and these funds, along with those raised by BLM directly, find their way into the coffers of the Democrats. But neither BLM/Antifa nor the progressive Democrats (such as Ocasio-Cortez) want Biden or Kamala Harris. This is a marriage of convenience because all want to get rid of Trump. Who knows what will happen when these ‘thieves’ fall out.

BLM/Antifa, as organisations rather than individuals, are more interested in getting rid of Trump than tackling racism. The protests and riots have been very carefully and skilfully orchestrated by BLM/Antifa. Fox news anchorman, Tucker Carlson (and many others) have revealed that George Soros has been funding the legal fees of those arrested. This shows another link between the vanguardist Marxists and the deep State, which would prefer the world to be run by Stalinist type regimes through global government. But Democrat governors have also gone along with the rioting; even allowing arrestees to go free without charge. Many are ideologically in tune with the far left, while others have wanted the rioting to harm Trump (which does not appear to have happened). The Democrats have publicly stated that they will use every means to stop Trump filling the vacancy in the supreme court (which is his constitutional duty) and to stop him being elected. These means include another attempt at impeachment and ratcheting up the attempted insurrection that is already in place. But they will also try to use ‘Covid safety’ to promote large scale, postal balloting, which they will try to rig. This may be why the Democrat controlled states have been more stringent with Covid lockdowns than Republican states.

Ballot rigging was recently discovered - in a primary election (I think) - and came to light only because it was found that many thousands of ballot papers had been posted through the same three mailboxes (if you want a reference to this please pm me). I can therefore well understand why Trump is not saying that he will accept the election result – especially if postal voting becomes widespread. Democrats (such as Hilary) are also saying that they will not accept the election result – and are preparing an army of lawyers to help.

Believe me, the Democrats will stop at nothing to win this election: I wouldn’t even rule out assassination. Trump has been sent ricin poison on two occasions recently. The language being used by prominent Democrat supporters is insurrectionary in the extreme.

In my view, if the Democrats come to power it will be disastrous for the US and the rest of the world. This is not about Republicans versus Democrats or even Trump versus Democrats (since not all Republican politicians support Trump). Rather, this is a fight between national populism and globalism. If the Democrats win, the Green New Deal will be on the table and will destroy the US economy as well as depriving the US of secure and reliable fossil fuel energy during a period of global cooling. The authoritarian Woke culture could result in, for example, black segregation (if BLM has its way), or the forced acceptance of more than two biological sexes. Free speech could become a fond memory. The police could be defunded and violence will increase on the streets. Vaccinations could become mandatory and Biden will lockdown at the drop of a hat (as he has said). The project of globalism will be given a lift and people like Bill Gates/George Soros as well as non-democratic organisations such as the WHO and the UN will be able to thrive. The Brexit populists may also find a genuine EU exit under threat – who knows.

Many patriots have long recognised the threat from BLM/Antifa who have been active for years. They have been preparing for civil war and are preparing still. Gun and ammunition sales have gone through the roof and militia groups have doubled in recent months. The only election outcome that has any chance of avoiding catastrophe would be a landslide Trump victory: a narrow victory be either party will not suffice and there is no hope of a Biden landslide imv. Even with a landslide Trump victory, the vanguard left will still attempt insurrection. Whether the Democrat party will support them or not remains to be seen. I am not sure anyone will read this but I had to say it. I have been closely studying US politics for nearly two years and having been fooled initially by the ‘orange man bad’ mantra, I had to provide a different – and more accurate perspective.

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:07 pm

President Trump is no idiot and anyone who thinks he is has already tainted their posts. I would also point out that the Democrats and their drones in the FBI media etc have tried to find evidence of 'crookedness' for over four years and have nothing.

On the other hand, Biden (where's Hunter?) Clinton Obama etc etc etc have many questions to answer which do not seem to be asked.

Trump is not against properly organised postal ballots where these are solicited rather in the way they happen here. He has stated this clearly and frequently .

What is happening and has happened in certain states is that unsolicited ballot papers have been mailed out in their thousands to gawd knows who, utilising amongst other things, completely out of date electoral lists. This compounds the already 'tainted' history of elections in certain of these areas.

I watched his press conference and the meaning of what he said on the ballots issue was perfectly clear and reasonable.

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:12 pm

He's got a view on Meg Markle.

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:26 pm

For those truely interested in the truth, rather than political ideologies and affinities; Project Veritas are due to release proof of how voter fraud exists on the 28th of September. So I suggest following them. Link: https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/sta ... 9486412802

Other information here: https://www.prageru.com/video/is-voter-fraud-real/

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:46 pm

JimmyJazz wrote:
Welshman in CA wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:So Trump has been trying to change the laws. However, the Democrats run the senate so he has struggled to pass such bills.

With regards to voting by mail The Heritage Foundation have found that mail in voting is the most likely to be altered, stolen or forged. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

In 2012, The New York Times found votes made by mail are twice as likely to be rejected than a vote made in person, mostly due to filling them out improperly. Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/p ... tions.html

In recent votes states such as Wisconsin and Maryland were unable to even count votes due to the delays in voters receiving their ballots by mail.

The USPS has also often failed to postmark ballots, making it impossible to know whether or not the vote was sent in time. Link: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90349061 ... postmarked

In the last four elections, an estimated 2.7 million votes by mail we misdelivered and 1.3 million rejected. Link: https://www.heritage.org/election-integ ... ail-voting

The Heritage Foundation also has a database of over 1,200 instances of voter fraud.

The evidence is clear, in person voting is less susceptible to fraud or other external issues than in person voting. Absentee voting by mail is of course a different kettle of fish though, and certainly has a purpose.



But that miss delivering of votes is a postal problem not an electoral one !! Even Trump himself said that a couple of years ago when he was lambasting the US Postal service !!

The evidence is far from clear. If you have the proper governance behind postal/on-line voting it can be at least as secure as in person voting, if not more so.

If Trump is that confident about his popularity then surely he would want as many avenues for voting open as possible not precluding a significant proportion of electorate ?

Rejected votes happen in every election in every country however, the 2.7 million votes could have made a big difference particularly as the overall number of votes for Trump was 3 million less than the Democrats last time. I really don't understand why Trump is making this an issue, if he has the mass appeal that he says he has surely stopping the postal votes will hit him as much as the Democrats ?

Or is he suddenly less confident about that mass appeal and worried that the electoral college system might let him down this time !!??

Or could it be that the section of the community statistically most likely to use postal voting are those that won't vote for him :? :shock:


If the postal service is experiencing issues and is supporting the voting process, then those issues become electoral issues too.

The reason Trump finds it an issue, is because he wants the fairest process possible, which in its current set up would be in person voting for all of the reasons I've already mentioned. Ideally we would move to a system that uses the Blockchain in the future.

Why do you feel the communities who would vote by mail are less likely to vote for Trump? Those most likely are from ethnic minority groups and people with disabilities.
If we focus on ethnic minority groups - they are employed now in greater numbers than they were under Obama and any time before that. Additionally, they now find themselves in positions of power - E.G Tony Pham - a refugee - leads I.C.E, as well as a soon to be Cuban Supreme Court Judge.
You also have the executive order for hispanic prosperity.

I can also go on to record low levels of poverty for the African community and the 8,000 + opportunity zones he has created, helping those who most need support.

In terms of those with disabilities he recently signed a bill protecting the disability payments for veterans who declare bankruptcy.

You only need to see the boat rallies and the Trump trains, to see the support he actually has. Although none of this is shown on Mainstream media, they would like you to believe Orange Man is bad and has no support.


Jason, where do you live? A country will do?


Somewhere in Roath!!


That's what I thought, not the USA even though his posts makes it sound like he has first hand experience of the media coverage there rather than something he saw on the internet. Same shit different day.

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:55 pm

JasonFowler1991 wrote:I personally prefer Trump over the war obsessed Democrats. Under the Democrats the middle east was blown to pieces, with the ripple on effects being felt worldwide, with the refugee crisis and resulting terror attacks.

Under Trump we have seen peace between Israel, Bahrain and UAE, as well as between Kosovo and Serbia. It is also looking more increasingly likely that there will be peace between N. and S. Korea as well as other middle eastern countries and Israel. That is where my moral compass stands.

I personally am hoping, and fully expect, he does another term.

By the way, the postal voting system is known to be flawed. Over half a million ballots were rejected during the Primaries. He has a right to be suspicious, especially after giving the postal service over 10 billion in July. Why do they require more?

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/22/90469346 ... acing-2016


The democrats are frauds they set up the klu klux klan , the Clintons exploded the prison system called black people super predators ,enforced the jim crow laws. How they are forgiven I will never know

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:11 pm

Anyone who calls out the disgusting MSM by me, I have never known so many lies being told by them every day,
and for some reason the bbc sky and itv have followed suit never mind ch4 news which is basically a shower of shit.

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:56 pm

robjohn wrote:Anyone who calls out the disgusting MSM by me, I have never known so many lies being told by them every day,
and for some reason the bbc sky and itv have followed suit never mind ch4 news which is basically a shower of shit.


Pithy but quite true. As Trump says, the US msm are largely the media propaganda arm of the Democrats. Mark Dice calls them the 'media industrial complex.'

Not seen much (any?) UK coverage of the Senate report on Biden corruption released 23rd September:

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majo ... estigation

Where reported in the US msm this has been relegated to minor news and quickly dismissed.

Thing is, the swine -and they are not alone, see Clinton Foundation -have been selling US policy in exchange for money and taking kickbacks from foreign aid.

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:23 pm

C. Rombie-Coat wrote:
robjohn wrote:Anyone who calls out the disgusting MSM by me, I have never known so many lies being told by them every day,
and for some reason the bbc sky and itv have followed suit never mind ch4 news which is basically a shower of shit.


Pithy but quite true. As Trump says, the US msm are largely the media propaganda arm of the Democrats. Mark Dice calls them the 'media industrial complex.'

Not seen much (any?) UK coverage of the Senate report on Biden corruption released 23rd September:

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majo ... estigation

Where reported in the US msm this has been relegated to minor news and quickly dismissed.

Thing is, the swine -and they are not alone, see Clinton Foundation -have been selling US policy in exchange for money and taking kickbacks from foreign aid.


Because Trump said it ? Do you actually watch the US msm or is this just your opinion? And watching snippets on the internet doesn't count.

What does "selling US policy "actually mean? Doesn't the president dictate the policy or did I miss something?

Re: Is Trump an idiot or is he just a big crook

Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:05 am

[quote="Jimmy Scoular"]If Johnny Fucktard does get returned there will be a war with either China over Taiwan and various issues in the South China Sea or Iran. For you Trump fans please read "Fear: Trump in the Whitehouse" by Bob Woodward of Watergate fame. Even the rabid rednecks have to accept Woodward's credentials. I have read it , it is horrifying. Trump is the perfect sociopath/psychopath, a petulant moron incapable of rational thought .He watches Fox news for guidance laughable if it was not true, his grasp of the world/world affairs is cretinous bordering criminal unaware we were a nuclear power for chris'ts sake. His abusive disregard of war dead confirmed by The Atlantic journalisst was beyond contempt. How anyone could vote for this turd is beyond me?[/quot

Trump was caused by a combination of the corrupt democratic party and the insane left who are at full retard mode.
Trump is the symptoms not the disease 40 years of a liberal management class who know best apparently.
They have it seems emboldened some ofthe most narcisstic generation of all time.
Middle class world citizens lol