And how is the future looking for Cardiff City?

And how is the future looking for Cardiff City?


By Glen Williams


Wednesday 23rd September 2020


Many City fans will want to see the academy flourish and youngsters to be given their chance in the senior setup, but there is a balance to be struck.

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Firstly: and most importantly, the manager's job is to gain promotion to the Premier League, so let's not lose sight of that.


The Academy and the under 23's has been totally revamped from coaches to players.

So it will take time to see a new group of players coming through that will hopefully be good enough to make the first team.


Yes, Harris speaks of wanting to blood young players, but some supporters' grumblings that none of them are yet featuring regularly in the first team just yet does not mean that progress has not been made.

It is a misnomer to say that the only way Cardiff's young guns can prove themselves is by throwing them straight into a Championship match. There is far more to it than that.





Harris has a larger crop of academy players training with the first team now.

The likes of Kieron Evans, Joel Bagan, Tavio d'Almeida, Mark Harris, Isaak Davies and Tom Sang, before his exit, were all training regularly with the first-team in pre-season and will continue to do so.

That should ensure the transition into that senior setup is not as stark as it might have been under Warnock.


Harris also attends many under-18s and under-23s games and works more closely with age-grade coaches than his predecessor did.

The under-23s have lost their opening two matches, derbies against Swansea City and Bristol City, 5-1 and 2-1 respectively. While there is potential there and first-team players in-the-making, it is clear to see that there is work to be done and it will take time.

Bridging that gap between the under-18s to the under-23s and then, eventually, the first team is right at the forefront of what Harris is trying to do. With the senior squad chopped down to a more manageable size, there is a genuine pathway there for the youngsters to head towards.

It is a balancing act and first-team results come first. But there is work being done at a far more granular level which we perhaps cannot see and which many hope will bear fruit in years to come.

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Fair comments Annis, but it's still very disappointing that we've not had a youngster come through from the academy to feature regularly in the first team since I can't remember. We've been told over the years that we have some great youngsters coming through and yet out they go on loan. The latest lad to go out is 21 years old, hardly youth, but if he hasn't made it yet, will he ever? Other clubs seem to be bringing academy players in and lots are only 18 or 19, so WTF has gone wrong at City for years?

Fair comments Annis, but it's still very disappointing that we've not had a youngster come through from the academy to feature regularly in the first team since I can't remember. We've been told over the years that we have some great youngsters coming through and yet out they go on loan. The latest lad to go out is 21 years old, hardly youth, but if he hasn't made it yet, will he ever? Other clubs seem to be bringing academy players in and lots are only 18 or 19, so WTF has gone wrong at City for years?

Dill,Sadly your spot on, we might be shot down on here by some by saying the truth.

For 11 yrs we have produced nothing and every 2yrs we are told the same old story that it’s all being revamped .
Clearing out the coaches and clearing out the under 23’s.
We desperately need to start producing as No Money is being spent and also fans relate much more to local talent .

Something is not right?

Fair comments Annis, but it's still very disappointing that we've not had a youngster come through from the academy to feature regularly in the first team since I can't remember. We've been told over the years that we have some great youngsters coming through and yet out they go on loan. The latest lad to go out is 21 years old, hardly youth, but if he hasn't made it yet, will he ever? Other clubs seem to be bringing academy players in and lots are only 18 or 19, so WTF has gone wrong at City for years?

Dill,Sadly your spot on, we might be shot down on here by some by saying the truth.

For 11 yrs we have produced nothing and every 2yrs we are told the same old story that it’s all being revamped .
Clearing out the coaches and clearing out the under 23’s.
We desperately need to start producing as No Money is being spent and also fans relate much more to local talent .

Something is not right?

We did have matondo who went for £10 mill a year or 2 back. If we could've kept him then he'd be starting weekly for us.

Fair comments Annis, but it's still very disappointing that we've not had a youngster come through from the academy to feature regularly in the first team since I can't remember. We've been told over the years that we have some great youngsters coming through and yet out they go on loan. The latest lad to go out is 21 years old, hardly youth, but if he hasn't made it yet, will he ever? Other clubs seem to be bringing academy players in and lots are only 18 or 19, so WTF has gone wrong at City for years?

Dill,Sadly your spot on, we might be shot down on here by some by saying the truth.

For 11 yrs we have produced nothing and every 2yrs we are told the same old story that it’s all being revamped .
Clearing out the coaches and clearing out the under 23’s.
We desperately need to start producing as No Money is being spent and also fans relate much more to local talent .

Something is not right?

We did have matondo who went for £10 mill a year or 2 back. If we could've kept him then he'd be starting weekly for us.

If he stayed would he have made it to the first team? Guess we will never know.

Over the last 10 years we have brought some crap in where we would have been better perhaps bringing some of the youth in instead. So many questions we will not get an aswer to.

11 years, so that makes the likes of Warnock, Malky and Ole , etc etc guilty of not overseeing their academy?

Thank God for Dave Jones.

It's becoming apparent to the local press the fans and social media that our youth set up is utterly crap so the club has to come up with some PR guff about moving forward in a granular way. The fact that our most promising "youth" is 21 and product of the Man Utd youth system says it all. Got to give Steve Morrisson and his team a chance I suppose but to be honest it looks like the system could go another few years before anyone is good enough for the first team.

11 years, so that makes the likes of Warnock, Malky and Ole , etc etc guilty of not overseeing their academy?

Thank God for Dave Jones.

Jules,
Managers are not in charge of Academies , owners are .

DJ did not give a f**k about the Cardiff academy.

Managers can give players a chance from them, but they don’t run them.

He hardly attended the first team training and would turn up in buggy he was so lazy, that’s why in 6 yrs we won nothing .

It's becoming apparent to the local press the fans and social media that our youth set up is utterly crap so the club has to come up with some PR guff about moving forward in a granular way. The fact that our most promising "youth" is 21 and product of the Man Utd youth system says it all. Got to give Steve Morrisson and his team a chance I suppose but to be honest it looks like the system could go another few years before anyone is good enough for the first team.

its had a few shake ups over the last few years but you do have to have the raw product.... which we dont seem to have... these academy teams play each other regularly and if there really was talent there, there would also be clubs who have noticed it in games against us, or who have sent scouts to watch that would be trying to take them off us like with Matondo.. or at least take them on trial if released...

11 years, so that makes the likes of Warnock, Malky and Ole , etc etc guilty of not overseeing their academy?

Thank God for Dave Jones.

Jules,
Managers are not in charge of Academies , owners are .

DJ did not give a f**k about the Cardiff academy.

Managers can give players a chance from them, but they don’t run them.

He hardly attended the first team training and would turn up in buggy he was so lazy, that’s why in 6 yrs we won nothing .

Owners surely just stump up the money it costs to ru.n? Managers must have an input,otherwise who's going to notice the talent if it's there,I know they have coaches for the houth/u23's who would inform the manager who they think are worth keeping etc
I cannot picture any owner turning up to see the youth playing matches,so financially the owners are the cash cow,it's up to the coaches to turn good youngsters into first team players,not the owners.
Harris has seen for himself,at our club,it wasn't good enough,and has initiated wholesale change,which will not happen overnight,but it's at least a start,as previous managers avoided giving youth a chance,and some like Dave Jones, even go as far as putting the blame on a youngsters shoulders,and destroys their confidence (was it Mathew he slated,can't remember of top of my head).

11 years, so that makes the likes of Warnock, Malky and Ole , etc etc guilty of not overseeing their academy?

Thank God for Dave Jones.

Jules,
Managers are not in charge of Academies , owners are .

DJ did not give a f**k about the Cardiff academy.

Managers can give players a chance from them, but they don’t run them.

He hardly attended the first team training and would turn up in buggy he was so lazy, that’s why in 6 yrs we won nothing .

Owners surely just stump up the money it costs to ru.n? Managers must have an input,otherwise who's going to notice the talent if it's there,I know they have coaches for the houth/u23's who would inform the manager who they think are worth keeping etc
I cannot picture any owner turning up to see the youth playing matches,so financially the owners are the cash cow,it's up to the coaches to turn good youngsters into first team players,not the owners.
Harris has seen for himself,at our club,it wasn't good enough,and has initiated wholesale change,which will not happen overnight,but it's at least a start,as previous managers avoided giving youth a chance,and some like Dave Jones, even go as far as putting the blame on a youngsters shoulders,and destroys their confidence (was it Mathew he slated,can't remember of top of my head).

Jones had no respect for the youth and yes he publicly slated Adam Mathews .

Owners put money in to the Accademy and put the coaches in.

Managers are all different some giving youth the chance others don’t.

If there is real quality available you would think any decent manager would give the youth a chance.

Sorry for having an opinion Annis!!

But in my opinion, your opinion is wrong, to say first team managers have nothing to do with academy is ridiculous.

If Mr Tan turned up at academy training you would accuse him of interfering.

Sorry for having an opinion Annis!!

But in my opinion, your opinion is wrong, to say first team managers have nothing to do with academy is ridiculous.

If Mr Tan turned up at academy training you would accuse him of interfering.

Wow touchy Jules wow



Love different opinions Jules, but yes they do look at the Academy and look at whats coming through, but they mainly concentrate on their first team & under 23's a fact not an opinion.

11 years, so that makes the likes of Warnock, Malky and Ole , etc etc guilty of not overseeing their academy?

Thank God for Dave Jones.

Jules,
Managers are not in charge of Academies , owners are .

DJ did not give a f**k about the Cardiff academy.

Managers can give players a chance from them, but they don’t run them.

He hardly attended the first team training and would turn up in buggy he was so lazy, that’s why in 6 yrs we won nothing .

Owners surely just stump up the money it costs to ru.n? Managers must have an input,otherwise who's going to notice the talent if it's there,I know they have coaches for the houth/u23's who would inform the manager who they think are worth keeping etc
I cannot picture any owner turning up to see the youth playing matches,so financially the owners are the cash cow,it's up to the coaches to turn good youngsters into first team players,not the owners.
Harris has seen for himself,at our club,it wasn't good enough,and has initiated wholesale change,which will not happen overnight,but it's at least a start,as previous managers avoided giving youth a chance,and some like Dave Jones, even go as far as putting the blame on a youngsters shoulders,and destroys their confidence (was it Mathew he slated,can't remember of top of my head).

mate the changes in our academy were already being made when Harris arrived , im sure if you look back youll find comments by him saying that... having said that , its difficult to imagine him not being involved at all in the Morrison appointment... previous managers have spent differing amounts of time watching academy games.. but truth is there are some very well paid people suppose to be running it and recommending .