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Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:49 am

Interesting to see what you all believe. If you want to leave your personal reason then do so. Debating has gone on in other threads so let’s not argue just give a reason and no responses just your own opinion. Cheers

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:15 am

Yes from me.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:17 am

I think the amount of deaths worldwide confirm the seriousness of this virus.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:23 am

I voted No but maybe not so much ‘lied to’Just over the top precautions.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:48 am

Serious virus but to many experts with differing opinions! If look at things objectively figures do not add up..... besides cannot go in and out lockdowns every couple of months waiting on a vaccine that may never come.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:56 am

Its so deadly they have to test you to see if you have it

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:59 am

I voted yes because I can't believe any government, anywhere in the world would want to run their economy into the ground on a lie. You have to think that they are doing their best, but one part of me asks if it's over reaction. I just hope we can come through it and soon.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:00 am

theclaw wrote:I voted No but maybe not so much ‘lied to’Just over the top precautions.

Yes my thoughts exactly

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:01 am

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:03 am

Nuclearblue wrote:Interesting to see what you all believe. If you want to leave your personal reason then do so. Debating has gone on in other threads so let’s not argue just give a reason and no responses just your own opinion. Cheers




if no ...was over reaction id vote no..
but it aint no conspiracy either..

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:29 am

davids wrote:Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.


Probably this, it is serious it would kill my 88 year old mother, and could kill the odd reasonably younger healthy person like Kate Garroways husband, I know he’s not died but he is in a bad way.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:50 am

It's a serious issue that in other times (like when the Spanish Flu was a pandemic) would have taken many many more lives

Thankfully, modern health and welfare means we are recognising and eventually dealing with more 'issues' than ever before

The one downside of all of this is how it has been allowed to take over from far more prevalent life-threatening issues that are still taking more lives whilst seemingly being deemed 'acceptable' due to their historic prevalence :(

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:49 pm

It’s nothing like what we being told. It does effect the very old or very ill, much like flu, and it can can effect others seriously, much like flu. As it’s symptoms mirror cold and flu, testing has naturally gone up as cold and flu circulates so inevitably cases have risen.

It’s nothing more than a political point scoring exercise as we are told the government is getting wrong. Yet the opposition can’t tell us what they’d have done differently.

Covid is real, I am not a Covid denier, but it isn’t as bad as the media or WHO for that matter are telling us.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:46 pm

Didn't select either.

Its a nasty virus which can escalate very quickly and clog up our poor health system.

I think the reaction has been strange. Its obviously a virus that spreads very easily indoors in a social setting. But we encourage everyone to go on the lash or at least visit a restaurant.

Wales were very late to open pubs and we had next to no virus, but told everyone "Its OK to go to the sunshine resorts and go mental in their pubs and clubs" and then are fcuking suprprised we have 2 counties in lockdown.

I can go to Spoons for 5 or 6 hours drinking out of "super cleansed" pint glasses that 100 people have used in the last 24 hours but i can't sit in the open air for 90 mins to watch a game !!!!!

Open everything, only allow pubs to open if they can adhere to social distancing by not allowing standing and close them at 10:00

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:46 pm

davids wrote:Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.


Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:59 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
davids wrote:Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.


Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.


Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:01 pm

Bluebina wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
davids wrote:Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.


Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.


Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.


I agree it attacks the ill and elderly, but in the process kills the odd healthy person too.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:07 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
davids wrote:Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.


Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.



Agree with the last bit, smaller restrictions but protect the ill and elderly, especially care homes, and sort the pubs and indoor venues where people are ignoring distancing and getting pissed off their heads.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:18 pm

My view is there are just as bad if not worse viruses out there and nothing was shut down. And I do believe there is something very sinister going on with the world elites including using this to get rid of trump.
The other day on Fox News someone was blaming George Soros for his involvement in this race war and the hosts started panicking and you can see they were getting messages on their earpiece and they quickly said don’t mention Soros he has nothing to do with this. Then the awkward silence. I’ve seen the video and he has had a huge influence on what’s happened this year.
And the simple fact they are using flawed tests to bring these lockdowns into place. And then there is the vaccine ? Do you know it’s takes six years roughly to develop a vaccine and safely test it. And you reckon they can get one in months and safely administer it.
But for me the result of this poll is sad to see how many people I feel are being duped and not seeing what’s in front of them.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:22 pm

Here is a very logical article from Dr Micheal Mosley, very sensible I agree with his views as usual :thumbup:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dail ... h-you.html

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:35 pm

Bluebina wrote:
davids wrote:Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.


Probably this, it is serious it would kill my 88 year old mother, and could kill the odd reasonably younger healthy person like Kate Garroways husband, I know he’s not died but he is in a bad way.

As it has killed a friend of mine....I decided to vote yes!

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:05 pm

davids wrote:Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.


Extremely well put there mate, hard for anyone to disagree with that.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:07 pm

RV Casual wrote:
davids wrote:Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.


Extremely well put there mate, hard for anyone to disagree with that.

Yup! :clap: :ayatollah:

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:13 pm

Sven wrote:
RV Casual wrote:
davids wrote:Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.


Extremely well put there mate, hard for anyone to disagree with that.

Yup! :clap: :ayatollah:



Spot on.

Well said.

:occasion5:

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:01 pm

davids wrote:Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.



yes.. part of the problem being { as far as public opinion goes } is how many volunteer themselves or a relative into that extremely small proportion..

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:29 pm

Well my father works in a hospital and seen how bad it is, he caught it himself and got to the point where he checked if i his will and life insurance is up to date cos he thought he was going to die and he's a healthy adult so yeah its bad. I've seen first hand how bad it was and no amount of bullshit spouted by conspiracy smooth brain idiots would convince me otherwise.

Also just because you are young and healthy doesnt mean it wont cause permanent problems for you in the long run, which it has been proven to have happened in recovered people.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:39 pm

Orgz wrote:Its so deadly they have to test you to see if you have it

Cancer is deadly isn't it you need a test for that

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:09 pm

I was very worried about the virus at first - back in March. But since then I have been researching massively and whereas I believe there was a virus, it was not as deadly as the politicians and media have been telling us. 85,000 people died of the flu in 1968 - that is on record - but we didn't lock down. We should have protected the old and vulnerable and let the rest catch it - as Sweden did. I wouldn't have worded the questionnaire in this way because it is possible that we have not been lied to AND true that the virus has not been as deadly as we have been led to believe. I believe the latter, but am not sure about the former. I am told that the MSM coverage has not included any opposition to the mainstream narrative - yet there are plenty of highly qualified people out there who disagree with lockdown, the effectiveness of masks or testing and many other aspects of this. Their voices should have been heard. Our 'leaders' have totally over-reacted imv and should be held to account for the many thousands of lives that will be lost and the livelihoods ruined due to the lockdown. Already, we are hearing that the OF COVID death toll has been exaggerated and that the testing is seriously flawed. Expect many more such revelations in the near future.

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:24 pm

Borders Blue wrote:I was very worried about the virus at first - back in March. But since then I have been researching massively and whereas I believe there was a virus, it was not as deadly as the politicians and media have been telling us. 85,000 people died of the flu in 1968 - that is on record - but we didn't lock down. We should have protected the old and vulnerable and let the rest catch it - as Sweden did. I wouldn't have worded the questionnaire in this way because it is possible that we have not been lied to AND true that the virus has not been as deadly as we have been led to believe. I believe the latter, but am not sure about the former. I am told that the MSM coverage has not included any opposition to the mainstream narrative - yet there are plenty of highly qualified people out there who disagree with lockdown, the effectiveness of masks or testing and many other aspects of this. Their voices should have been heard. Our 'leaders' have totally over-reacted imv and should be held to account for the many thousands of lives that will be lost and the livelihoods ruined due to the lockdown. Already, we are hearing that the OF COVID death toll has been exaggerated and that the testing is seriously flawed. Expect many more such revelations in the near future.


Some of your points are valid but using death numbers from a flu 52 years ago is a flawed argument. Since then we’ve had 52 years of medical and technological advancements. Also you’re trying to argue that because Covid has less deaths WITH a lockdown it proves a lockdown was unnecessary because a flu WITHOUT a lockdown has a higher death toll. I also disagree with the Sweden argument as I believe there’s enough evidence to show it was an ineffective strategy. Also Sweden’s demographics and cultural opinions are very different to ours. I would doubt their strategy would work in the UK

Re: Want to gauge opinion POLL

Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:01 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:
Borders Blue wrote:I was very worried about the virus at first - back in March. But since then I have been researching massively and whereas I believe there was a virus, it was not as deadly as the politicians and media have been telling us. 85,000 people died of the flu in 1968 - that is on record - but we didn't lock down. We should have protected the old and vulnerable and let the rest catch it - as Sweden did. I wouldn't have worded the questionnaire in this way because it is possible that we have not been lied to AND true that the virus has not been as deadly as we have been led to believe. I believe the latter, but am not sure about the former. I am told that the MSM coverage has not included any opposition to the mainstream narrative - yet there are plenty of highly qualified people out there who disagree with lockdown, the effectiveness of masks or testing and many other aspects of this. Their voices should have been heard. Our 'leaders' have totally over-reacted imv and should be held to account for the many thousands of lives that will be lost and the livelihoods ruined due to the lockdown. Already, we are hearing that the OF COVID death toll has been exaggerated and that the testing is seriously flawed. Expect many more such revelations in the near future.


Some of your points are valid but using death numbers from a flu 52 years ago is a flawed argument. Since then we’ve had 52 years of medical and technological advancements. Also you’re trying to argue that because Covid has less deaths WITH a lockdown it proves a lockdown was unnecessary because a flu WITHOUT a lockdown has a higher death toll. I also disagree with the Sweden argument as I believe there’s enough evidence to show it was an ineffective strategy. Also Sweden’s demographics and cultural opinions are very different to ours. I would doubt their strategy would work in the UK


You will have to explain why comparisons with 1968 are not valid. Which technological developments could account for the decision to lockdown now and not in 1968. I am not being awkward, I just don't understand what you are saying. With regard to: 'Also you’re trying to argue that because Covid has less deaths WITH a lockdown it proves a lockdown was unnecessary because a flu WITHOUT a lockdown has a higher death toll' I really don't understand what you are saying here. Perhaps you could rephrase it. I am saying that the lockdown was unnecessary and did not reduce deaths overall. Also - I have no idea why Swedish demographics and cultural opinions have anything to do with this. Can you explain what you mean and provide reference to the evidence that shows Sweden's was not an effective strategy. Sweden was not the only country not to lockdown: Japan and Taiwan are among many others that did not lockdown yet their death rates are no greater than ours. If you pm me I can provide you with evidence that the Swedish policy has been proven to be correct and evidence as to why our lockdown strategy was flawed. People need to know the truth and they won't get it from the MSM.