" Prime Minister Boris Johnson bans gatherings of 6+ "

The Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, has banned gatherings of more than six people in England.


Tuesday 8th September 2020


BBC NEWS


Social gatherings of more than six people will be illegal in England from Monday - with some exemptions - amid a steep rise in coronavirus cases.

A new legal limit will ban larger groups meeting anywhere socially indoors or outdoors, No 10 said.

But it will not apply to schools, workplaces or Covid-secure weddings, funerals and organised team sports.

It will be enforced through a £100 fine if people fail to comply with police, doubling up to a maximum of £3,200.

Several exemptions apply to the new rules - which come into force on 14 September - with households and support bubbles bigger than six people are unaffected.

A full list of exemptions will be published by the government later.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is expected to deliver further details at a Downing Street news conference on Wednesday.

In a preview of his address, the PM said: "We need to act now to stop the virus spreading. So we are simplifying and strengthening the rules on social contact - making them easier to understand and for the police to enforce.

"It is absolutely critical that people now abide by these rules and remember the basics - washing your hands, covering your face, keeping space from others, and getting a test if you have symptoms."

No 10 said any group of seven or more people gathering anywhere "risks being dispersed by police or fined for non-compliance".

The change applies to England only, to people of all ages, and to gatherings indoors and outdoors, in private homes, public outdoor spaces, and venues such as pubs and restaurants.

The devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are able to set their own coronavirus restrictions and, while largely implementing similar rules, have moved at their own pace during the pandemic.

Downing Street said Mr Johnson held a virtual roundtable with police forces which heard officers wanted clearer rules and enforcement on social contact.

Previously, guidance in England allowed gatherings of up to six people from different households - or up to 30 people from two households.

Ministers and government advisers earlier expressed concern over a "sharp rise" in cases and a "heartfelt" apology was issued following shortages in England's testing system.

Overall, there have been 8,396 new cases reported since Sunday - with 2,460 reported on Tuesday alone.

There were also 32 deaths reported, but these will not have been related to the most recent rise in cases.

The UK government's chief medical adviser, Prof Chris Whitty, who No 10 said backed urgent action in England, has said Covid-19 rates were now rising, especially among people between the ages of 17 and 29.

He warned that if people stopped social distancing then "Covid comes back".

England's deputy chief medical officer Prof Jonathan Van Tam added: "People have relaxed too much. Now is the time for us to re-engage, and to realise that this is a continuing threat to us."

In Bolton, Greater Manchester, a local rise in cases led Health Secretary Matt Hancock to announce the immediate return of some lockdown measures on Tuesday.

Among the restrictions imposed on the town was a requirement for hospitality venues to only offer takeaway service and close to customers completely between 22:00 BST and 05:00.

It also became illegal for people in Bolton to socialise with those outside their own household in any setting, even outdoors.

Schools in Bolton will continue to teach pupils as usual, Bolton Council said, as its leader described how Covid-19 was "moving round the borough uncontrolled".

Meanwhile, a new public information campaign will be launched reminding people of the "basics" - washing their hands, covering their face and giving others space.

Black lives Matter and Antifa are also exempt from this as it’s a peaceful demonstration

Black lives Matter and Antifa are also exempt from this as it’s a peaceful demonstration

We have differing views on BLM.

I've not looked into it but if what you say is true, then that's not good.

Understand that schools, workplaces etc are exempt - that makes sense.

But if the PM is implementing this rule, it should apply to anything outside an essential gathering.

Black lives Matter and Antifa are also exempt from this as it’s a peaceful demonstration

We have differing views on BLM.

I've not looked into it but if what you say is true, then that's not good.

Understand that schools, workplaces etc are exempt - that makes sense.

But if the PM is implementing this rule, it should apply to anything outside an essential gathering.

Any demo should be banned but unfortunately boris as not specifically banning demos! so expect them to go ahead if planned in near future.... if this happens you can't Blame people for being pissed off when they're not allowed out with mates.

No need to worry, If you’re caught just say you were "breaking the law in a specific and limited way". If it’s acceptable for our good and honest government I’m sure us plebs will be fine

No need to worry, If you’re caught just say you were "breaking the law in a specific and limited way". If it’s acceptable for our good and honest government I’m sure us plebs will be fine

Idiotic comparison. Fekk the EU they want to punish and hurt our country. These anti covid measures are designed to protect the citizens of this country.

To my recollection there were no increases in cases at those "mass" demo's.......Anyone disagree ?

We have spiked as all those who had to fly off to holiday hot spots to get their downtime returned and spread it around their community.

Its a socially transmitted virus, all those pictures of twenty-somethings dancing on cars in the med islands is why we are in these measures now, christ knows what Cardiff bay will do.

The Caerphilly rules are the daftest thing I have heard. If the government wants to save the hospitality industry its need to jettison the clubbing and late night element pretty quickly.

I agree with pubs closing at 10pm for a short period to try top dampen this down.

No need to worry, If you’re caught just say you were "breaking the law in a specific and limited way". If it’s acceptable for our good and honest government I’m sure us plebs will be fine

Idiotic comparison. Fekk the EU they want to punish and hurt our country. These anti covid measures are designed to protect the citizens of this country.

So if I disagree with a law and think breaking it could benefit me then I should be allowed to do it? Also don’t you think the fact our government are so willing and so openly breaking international law could set a dangerous precedent in the future?

To my recollection there were no increases in cases at those "mass" demo's.......Anyone disagree ?

We have spiked as all those who had to fly off to holiday hot spots to get their downtime returned and spread it around their community.

Its a socially transmitted virus, all those pictures of twenty-somethings dancing on cars in the med islands is why we are in these measures now, christ knows what Cardiff bay will do.

The Caerphilly rules are the daftest thing I have heard. If the government wants to save the hospitality industry its need to jettison the clubbing and late night element pretty quickly.

I agree with pubs closing at 10pm for a short period to try top dampen this down.

These new lock down measures are being determined by economics not public safety.

Gatherings which sustain business/jobs/taxes are allowed. Gatherings which do not benefit the economy are banned. Asking people not to see friends or family or socialise but asking them to work, go to shops, get on public transport shows the health of the nation isn’t a priority.

Gatherings of no more than 6 people till Xmas / SO


In England


Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the ban on gatherings of more than six people will be in place for the "foreseeable future" and more than like until this Christmas.


So bang goes crowds at football matches returning way in to next year.

No need to worry, If you’re caught just say you were "breaking the law in a specific and limited way". If it’s acceptable for our good and honest government I’m sure us plebs will be fine

Idiotic comparison. Fekk the EU they want to punish and hurt our country. These anti covid measures are designed to protect the citizens of this country.

So if I disagree with a law and think breaking it could benefit me then I should be allowed to do it? Also don’t you think the fact our government are so willing and so openly breaking international law could set a dangerous precedent in the future?

No because it’s been done loads of times in the past. The narrative pushed by our broadcast media is decent honest EU negotiators sneaky Torres. Truth is Barnier and co have threatened to deny us 3rd country status in the case of a No Deal, something that we thought was a given.

No need to worry, If you’re caught just say you were "breaking the law in a specific and limited way". If it’s acceptable for our good and honest government I’m sure us plebs will be fine

Idiotic comparison. Fekk the EU they want to punish and hurt our country. These anti covid measures are designed to protect the citizens of this country.

So if I disagree with a law and think breaking it could benefit me then I should be allowed to do it? Also don’t you think the fact our government are so willing and so openly breaking international law could set a dangerous precedent in the future?

No because it’s been done loads of times in the past. The narrative pushed by our broadcast media is decent honest EU negotiators sneaky Torres. Truth is Barnier and co have threatened to deny us 3rd country status in the case of a No Deal, something that we thought was a given.

Given choice over believing boris or barnier/EU
Take boris for all his faults! EU are slimy and treat uk as 2nd class citizens when comes to
EU rules and regulations and will screw us for what they can...

No need to worry, If you’re caught just say you were "breaking the law in a specific and limited way". If it’s acceptable for our good and honest government I’m sure us plebs will be fine

Idiotic comparison. Fekk the EU they want to punish and hurt our country. These anti covid measures are designed to protect the citizens of this country.

So if I disagree with a law and think breaking it could benefit me then I should be allowed to do it? Also don’t you think the fact our government are so willing and so openly breaking international law could set a dangerous precedent in the future?

The EU have already said they will IGNORE our borders and protected sea areas, IGNORE INTERNATIONAL LAW AND SOVERIGN RIGHTS, and continue to plunder our fish stocks, so destroying the environment (even Greenpeace are on Boris's side in this), destroying even further our fishing fleets and communities, if we do not allow them to continue plundering, uncontrolled and take anything they want from OUR LEGAL INTERNATIONAL WATERS. The EU boast they will ignore international law when it suits them.
But they get all legal and law abiding virtue signalling when our Government brings in laws to protect UK business, reduce bureaucracy and implement internal sovereign laws, that will allow all 4 UK countries to freely trade without bureaucratic hinderance and actually transfers more power to the devolved administrations.

So what is wrong with the Tories sticking up for, and supporting the UK and its people and businesses? Only those with a hatred of Britain, its people and sovereign rights to manage itself would disagree. Unless of course they have a vested personal selfish interest in the EU and it's continued control and abuse of our freedoms.

No need to worry, If you’re caught just say you were "breaking the law in a specific and limited way". If it’s acceptable for our good and honest government I’m sure us plebs will be fine

Idiotic comparison. Fekk the EU they want to punish and hurt our country. These anti covid measures are designed to protect the citizens of this country.

So if I disagree with a law and think breaking it could benefit me then I should be allowed to do it? Also don’t you think the fact our government are so willing and so openly breaking international law could set a dangerous precedent in the future?

The EU have already said they will IGNORE our borders and protected sea areas, IGNORE INTERNATIONAL LAW AND SOVERIGN RIGHTS, and continue to plunder our fish stocks, so destroying the environment (even Greenpeace are on Boris's side in this), destroying even further our fishing fleets and communities, if we do not allow them to continue plundering, uncontrolled and take anything they want from OUR LEGAL INTERNATIONAL WATERS. The EU boast they will ignore international law when it suits them.
But they get all legal and law abiding virtue signalling when our Government brings in laws to protect UK business, reduce bureaucracy and implement internal sovereign laws, that will allow all 4 UK countries to freely trade without bureaucratic hinderance and actually transfers more power to the devolved administrations.

So what is wrong with the Tories sticking up for, and supporting the UK and its people and businesses? Only those with a hatred of Britain, its people and sovereign rights to manage itself would disagree. Unless of course they have a vested personal selfish interest in the EU and it's continued control and abuse of our freedoms.

So now it's the EUs fault that the tories can't arrange a border in Ireland? Don't think so.

Ah fishing, the big problem for the people who don't have a clue. 0.1% of our economy (beaten by woodwork and leather), employing fewer people than pound land, and we don't even eat the majority of food we catch... Good thing we're all prepared on our borders for quick movement of those fish. /s

With no deal (or if Boris collapses and accepts whatever they say) very likely and the country not prepared for brexit yet (as confirmed by the major businesses who use the ports) then the probability of food and medicine shortages is nigh on confirmed. Funny how you say remainers hate Britain but the people who want it to be weakened and people killed don't hate Britain and its people.

And I assume skideman will be here calling it an overreaction or project fear. This is what the government, NHS, affected businesses, and every expert are saying. The only people who aren't are the brexiteers who are, for some reason, getting European passports and moving their assets out. I wonder why?

Jason Mohammed
Radio wales program last 2 days banging on about shuting pubs can't people do without drinking for 12 months his words
which does' nt affect him as a non drinker
i did text the show asking about blm protesters gathering in groups no different to people outside pubs and who is monitering friday prayers in the mosque's and gathering and hugging outside
Did' nt get a mention

Why is it up to the UK to put a border in Ireland?
It is the EU and Ireland that want to maintain their protectionist borders and control everything going in and out of there.
If they want to stop items going into Ireland it is their problem, so their cost and their right to do that. It is not the UK saying put border controls and monitor imports/exports.

As for fish, tell the coastal communities whose lives depend on fishing that it does not matter. We used to have a thriving coastal community until the EU and it's Common Fisheries Policy destroyed it. The French take 6x what the UK do from the English Channel, in designated UK waters. If it is so insignificant and not important why are the EU demanding access to it? What about Greenpeace criticising the destruction of Special Protected Areas, located in UK waters, by EU Supertrawlers?
It is irrelevant if we do not eat the fish, as our fishermen can catch them and export them, so making a good living for our people and country. If they are not caught as there is no demand then the environment and fish stocks will improve.

Why wouldn't businesses be prepared to trade on WTO terms? Like the majority of the world currently do. Any good responsible intelligent businessman has made arrangements (as told to by the Government). This is not the incompetent bureaucratic public services, civil service, council, NHS etc we are talking about.

Holland gets a lot of medicines from this country and have already said they are worried we will not supply them. We on the other hand can trade with the rest of the world without the EU constraints and artificially overpricing of drugs, food, car parts etc.
I do not know any Brexiteers who have applied for EU passports, or any Remainers either for that matter, despite their crying, project fear etc and threats to do so. Even they know we will be better off as a free sovereign nation, making laws that benefit our country. I bet even those who have applied for EU passports have applied for a dual passport so they can come running back to the UK when things go wrong over there (as they will) or they need medical care or benefit handouts.

As for the completely stupid comment that people will starve or even die because of Brexit shows a weak uneducated character, and someone who obviously cannot function without being told what to do for themselves. This country survived for centuries without the "protection, support and health care" of the EU.

Jason Mohammed
Radio wales program last 2 days banging on about shuting pubs can't people do without drinking for 12 months his words
which does' nt affect him as a non drinker
i did text the show asking about blm protesters gathering in groups no different to people outside pubs and who is monitering friday prayers in the mosque's and gathering and hugging outside
Did' nt get a mention

Possibly because BLM protests attract a few thousand for a few hours every few weeks and the Muslim population in the UK is around 3% who I imagine don’t all attend the mosque. Compared to a very large portion of the male population and a significant portion of the female population who attend the pub several times a week. Combined with the fact drunks are less likely to adhere to social distancing as the whole aspect of drinking is to socialise and a lot of traditional pubs themselves are typically small and cramped it’s quite easy to see why they chose to talk about pub closures over your opinions.

No need to worry, If you’re caught just say you were "breaking the law in a specific and limited way". If it’s acceptable for our good and honest government I’m sure us plebs will be fine

Idiotic comparison. Fekk the EU they want to punish and hurt our country. These anti covid measures are designed to protect the citizens of this country.

So if I disagree with a law and think breaking it could benefit me then I should be allowed to do it? Also don’t you think the fact our government are so willing and so openly breaking international law could set a dangerous precedent in the future?

The EU have already said they will IGNORE our borders and protected sea areas, IGNORE INTERNATIONAL LAW AND SOVERIGN RIGHTS, and continue to plunder our fish stocks, so destroying the environment (even Greenpeace are on Boris's side in this), destroying even further our fishing fleets and communities, if we do not allow them to continue plundering, uncontrolled and take anything they want from OUR LEGAL INTERNATIONAL WATERS. The EU boast they will ignore international law when it suits them.
But they get all legal and law abiding virtue signalling when our Government brings in laws to protect UK business, reduce bureaucracy and implement internal sovereign laws, that will allow all 4 UK countries to freely trade without bureaucratic hinderance and actually transfers more power to the devolved administrations.

So what is wrong with the Tories sticking up for, and supporting the UK and its people and businesses? Only those with a hatred of Britain, its people and sovereign rights to manage itself would disagree. Unless of course they have a vested personal selfish interest in the EU and it's continued control and abuse of our freedoms.

So now it's the EUs fault that the tories can't arrange a border in Ireland? Don't think so.

Ah fishing, the big problem for the people who don't have a clue. 0.1% of our economy (beaten by woodwork and leather), employing fewer people than pound land, and we don't even eat the majority of food we catch... Good thing we're all prepared on our borders for quick movement of those fish. /s

With no deal (or if Boris collapses and accepts whatever they say) very likely and the country not prepared for brexit yet (as confirmed by the major businesses who use the ports) then the probability of food and medicine shortages is nigh on confirmed. Funny how you say remainers hate Britain but the people who want it to be weakened and people killed don't hate Britain and its people.

And I assume skideman will be here calling it an overreaction or project fear. This is what the government, NHS, affected businesses, and every expert are saying. The only people who aren't are the brexiteers who are, for some reason, getting European passports and moving their assets out. I wonder why?

if you actually believe this nonsense you should be on your soapbox about decommissioning field hospitals .. your not because your aware that its been one huge over reaction followed by another..or is it a case of we didnt real need all these hospitals to start with { all hospitals not just the temporary ones } .we need to get back to saving lives.. not making insane sacrifices..

No need to worry, If you’re caught just say you were "breaking the law in a specific and limited way". If it’s acceptable for our good and honest government I’m sure us plebs will be fine

Idiotic comparison. Fekk the EU they want to punish and hurt our country. These anti covid measures are designed to protect the citizens of this country.

So if I disagree with a law and think breaking it could benefit me then I should be allowed to do it? Also don’t you think the fact our government are so willing and so openly breaking international law could set a dangerous precedent in the future?

The EU have already said they will IGNORE our borders and protected sea areas, IGNORE INTERNATIONAL LAW AND SOVERIGN RIGHTS, and continue to plunder our fish stocks, so destroying the environment (even Greenpeace are on Boris's side in this), destroying even further our fishing fleets and communities, if we do not allow them to continue plundering, uncontrolled and take anything they want from OUR LEGAL INTERNATIONAL WATERS. The EU boast they will ignore international law when it suits them.
But they get all legal and law abiding virtue signalling when our Government brings in laws to protect UK business, reduce bureaucracy and implement internal sovereign laws, that will allow all 4 UK countries to freely trade without bureaucratic hinderance and actually transfers more power to the devolved administrations.

So what is wrong with the Tories sticking up for, and supporting the UK and its people and businesses? Only those with a hatred of Britain, its people and sovereign rights to manage itself would disagree. Unless of course they have a vested personal selfish interest in the EU and it's continued control and abuse of our freedoms.

So now it's the EUs fault that the tories can't arrange a border in Ireland? Don't think so.

Ah fishing, the big problem for the people who don't have a clue. 0.1% of our economy (beaten by woodwork and leather), employing fewer people than pound land, and we don't even eat the majority of food we catch... Good thing we're all prepared on our borders for quick movement of those fish. /s

With no deal (or if Boris collapses and accepts whatever they say) very likely and the country not prepared for brexit yet (as confirmed by the major businesses who use the ports) then the probability of food and medicine shortages is nigh on confirmed. Funny how you say remainers hate Britain but the people who want it to be weakened and people killed don't hate Britain and its people.

And I assume skideman will be here calling it an overreaction or project fear. This is what the government, NHS, affected businesses, and every expert are saying. The only people who aren't are the brexiteers who are, for some reason, getting European passports and moving their assets out. I wonder why?

if you actually believe this nonsense you should be on your soapbox about decommissioning field hospitals .. your not because your aware that its been one huge over reaction followed by another...we need to get back to saving lives.. not making insane sacrifices..

Another case from him of assuming what's been said will actually happen ? To my knowledge nothing as been sighned sealed or delivered regarding Brexit? Anyway subject should be dropped from this thread as we are on about people mixing... josh can open a thread if that bothered by something thats not happened yet!

No need to worry, If you’re caught just say you were "breaking the law in a specific and limited way". If it’s acceptable for our good and honest government I’m sure us plebs will be fine

Idiotic comparison. Fekk the EU they want to punish and hurt our country. These anti covid measures are designed to protect the citizens of this country.

So if I disagree with a law and think breaking it could benefit me then I should be allowed to do it? Also don’t you think the fact our government are so willing and so openly breaking international law could set a dangerous precedent in the future?

The EU have already said they will IGNORE our borders and protected sea areas, IGNORE INTERNATIONAL LAW AND SOVERIGN RIGHTS, and continue to plunder our fish stocks, so destroying the environment (even Greenpeace are on Boris's side in this), destroying even further our fishing fleets and communities, if we do not allow them to continue plundering, uncontrolled and take anything they want from OUR LEGAL INTERNATIONAL WATERS. The EU boast they will ignore international law when it suits them.
But they get all legal and law abiding virtue signalling when our Government brings in laws to protect UK business, reduce bureaucracy and implement internal sovereign laws, that will allow all 4 UK countries to freely trade without bureaucratic hinderance and actually transfers more power to the devolved administrations.

So what is wrong with the Tories sticking up for, and supporting the UK and its people and businesses? Only those with a hatred of Britain, its people and sovereign rights to manage itself would disagree. Unless of course they have a vested personal selfish interest in the EU and it's continued control and abuse of our freedoms.

So now it's the EUs fault that the tories can't arrange a border in Ireland? Don't think so.

Ah fishing, the big problem for the people who don't have a clue. 0.1% of our economy (beaten by woodwork and leather), employing fewer people than pound land, and we don't even eat the majority of food we catch... Good thing we're all prepared on our borders for quick movement of those fish. /s

With no deal (or if Boris collapses and accepts whatever they say) very likely and the country not prepared for brexit yet (as confirmed by the major businesses who use the ports) then the probability of food and medicine shortages is nigh on confirmed. Funny how you say remainers hate Britain but the people who want it to be weakened and people killed don't hate Britain and its people.

And I assume skideman will be here calling it an overreaction or project fear. This is what the government, NHS, affected businesses, and every expert are saying. The only people who aren't are the brexiteers who are, for some reason, getting European passports and moving their assets out. I wonder why?

if you actually believe this nonsense you should be on your soapbox about decommissioning field hospitals .. your not because your aware that its been one huge over reaction followed by another..or is it a case of we didnt real need all these hospitals to start with { all hospitals not just the temporary ones } .we need to get back to saving lives.. not making insane sacrifices.
i know 2 casualties of the restrictions now as i was told of a suicide this morning.. but its ok he tested positive in April so you lot can chalk it down as a win....
over reaction does even begin to cover it...

Why is it up to the UK to put a border in Ireland?
It is the EU and Ireland that want to maintain their protectionist borders and control everything going in and out of there.
If they want to stop items going into Ireland it is their problem, so their cost and their right to do that. It is not the UK saying put border controls and monitor imports/exports.

As for fish, tell the coastal communities whose lives depend on fishing that it does not matter. We used to have a thriving coastal community until the EU and it's Common Fisheries Policy destroyed it. The French take 6x what the UK do from the English Channel, in designated UK waters. If it is so insignificant and not important why are the EU demanding access to it? What about Greenpeace criticising the destruction of Special Protected Areas, located in UK waters, by EU Supertrawlers?
It is irrelevant if we do not eat the fish, as our fishermen can catch them and export them, so making a good living for our people and country. If they are not caught as there is no demand then the environment and fish stocks will improve.

Why wouldn't businesses be prepared to trade on WTO terms? Like the majority of the world currently do. Any good responsible intelligent businessman has made arrangements (as told to by the Government). This is not the incompetent bureaucratic public services, civil service, council, NHS etc we are talking about.

Holland gets a lot of medicines from this country and have already said they are worried we will not supply them. We on the other hand can trade with the rest of the world without the EU constraints and artificially overpricing of drugs, food, car parts etc.
I do not know any Brexiteers who have applied for EU passports, or any Remainers either for that matter, despite their crying, project fear etc and threats to do so. Even they know we will be better off as a free sovereign nation, making laws that benefit our country. I bet even those who have applied for EU passports have applied for a dual passport so they can come running back to the UK when things go wrong over there (as they will) or they need medical care or benefit handouts.

As for the completely stupid comment that people will starve or even die because of Brexit shows a weak uneducated character, and someone who obviously cannot function without being told what to do for themselves. This country survived for centuries without the "protection, support and health care" of the EU.

'Why is it up to the UK to put a border in Ireland?' Why is it up to the UK to put up a UK border? Suppose that makes the 'control our borders' line more leave bollocks.

I'm not saying fishing doesn't matter but promoting something that makes up 0.1% of our economy to a huge issue is nonsensical. Brexit will damage loads of bigger industries but you're ignoring that. They won't be able tojust export the fish as they do now as we'll have massive queues. You do know why they're building huge lorry parks around the UK?

The majority of countries don't trade on wto terms. There are 135 non EU countries and 105 of them have some sort of deal. Why don't you name one which doesn't?
8 of the largest haulage firms have recently complained about how the ports aren't ready and the government hasn't given details but you blame them because their crystal ball can't tell if Johnsons oven ready deal was another lie (obviously it was).

Since the brexit vote emigration to the EU has increased. Brexiteers moving: Dyson, Stanley Johnson is getting passports for his family, farage has said he'll leave if brexit is bad, Jacob Rees mong has moved assets to Ireland... I think rats leaving a sinking ship is an adequate phrase.

Medicine and food shortages will happen with a no deal brexit. No one should be denying that. You can either listen to: the government (who did stockpile medicine recently for the original brexit deadline... Wonder why?), the NHS, businesses, and experts OR just keep your fingers in your ears and pretend you weren't lied to.

To my recollection there were no increases in cases at those "mass" demo's.......Anyone disagree ?

We have spiked as all those who had to fly off to holiday hot spots to get their downtime returned and spread it around their community.

Its a socially transmitted virus, all those pictures of twenty-somethings dancing on cars in the med islands is why we are in these measures now, christ knows what Cardiff bay will do.

The Caerphilly rules are the daftest thing I have heard. If the government wants to save the hospitality industry its need to jettison the clubbing and late night element pretty quickly.

I agree with pubs closing at 10pm for a short period to try top dampen this down.

These new lock down measures are being determined by economics not public safety.

Gatherings which sustain business/jobs/taxes are allowed. Gatherings which do not benefit the economy are banned. Asking people not to see friends or family or socialise but asking them to work, go to shops, get on public transport shows the health of the nation isn’t a priority.

dont agree with restrictions at all... but there is always a balance. .its a bit naive to think you can just shut and stop everything... hence 7 million working right through the lockdown... plus anyone that thinks there is no human cost to restrictions is living in lala land..you might be ok but that doesnt mean everyone is ok.. and going out and having interaction with other humans is massively important to many peoples lives . im encountering more and more miserable people as the reality of their lives changing is kicking in.. a suiciude this morning.. more to come.. but its ok the asymptomatic { cases } will drop...

Why is it up to the UK to put a border in Ireland?
It is the EU and Ireland that want to maintain their protectionist borders and control everything going in and out of there.
If they want to stop items going into Ireland it is their problem, so their cost and their right to do that. It is not the UK saying put border controls and monitor imports/exports.

As for fish, tell the coastal communities whose lives depend on fishing that it does not matter. We used to have a thriving coastal community until the EU and it's Common Fisheries Policy destroyed it. The French take 6x what the UK do from the English Channel, in designated UK waters. If it is so insignificant and not important why are the EU demanding access to it? What about Greenpeace criticising the destruction of Special Protected Areas, located in UK waters, by EU Supertrawlers?
It is irrelevant if we do not eat the fish, as our fishermen can catch them and export them, so making a good living for our people and country. If they are not caught as there is no demand then the environment and fish stocks will improve.

Why wouldn't businesses be prepared to trade on WTO terms? Like the majority of the world currently do. Any good responsible intelligent businessman has made arrangements (as told to by the Government). This is not the incompetent bureaucratic public services, civil service, council, NHS etc we are talking about.

Holland gets a lot of medicines from this country and have already said they are worried we will not supply them. We on the other hand can trade with the rest of the world without the EU constraints and artificially overpricing of drugs, food, car parts etc.
I do not know any Brexiteers who have applied for EU passports, or any Remainers either for that matter, despite their crying, project fear etc and threats to do so. Even they know we will be better off as a free sovereign nation, making laws that benefit our country. I bet even those who have applied for EU passports have applied for a dual passport so they can come running back to the UK when things go wrong over there (as they will) or they need medical care or benefit handouts.

As for the completely stupid comment that people will starve or even die because of Brexit shows a weak uneducated character, and someone who obviously cannot function without being told what to do for themselves. This country survived for centuries without the "protection, support and health care" of the EU.

'Why is it up to the UK to put a border in Ireland?' Why is it up to the UK to put up a UK border? Suppose that makes the 'control our borders' line more leave bollocks.

I'm not saying fishing doesn't matter but promoting something that makes up 0.1% of our economy to a huge issue is nonsensical. Brexit will damage loads of bigger industries but you're ignoring that. They won't be able tojust export the fish as they do now as we'll have massive queues. You do know why they're building huge lorry parks around the UK?

The majority of countries don't trade on wto terms. There are 135 non EU countries and 105 of them have some sort of deal. Why don't you name one which doesn't?
8 of the largest haulage firms have recently complained about how the ports aren't ready and the government hasn't given details but you blame them because their crystal ball can't tell if Johnsons oven ready deal was another lie (obviously it was).

Since the brexit vote emigration to the EU has increased. Brexiteers moving: Dyson, Stanley Johnson is getting passports for his family, farage has said he'll leave if brexit is bad, Jacob Rees mong has moved assets to Ireland... I think rats leaving a sinking ship is an adequate phrase.

Medicine and food shortages will happen with a no deal brexit. No one should be denying that. You can either listen to: the government (who did stockpile medicine recently for the original brexit deadline... Wonder why?), the NHS, businesses, and experts OR just keep your fingers in your ears and pretend you weren't lied to.

We were told bodies will pile up on the street, we’ll run out of drinking water and bizarrely enough Dutch sperm for ivf. Wasn’t aware Farrage has said he’ll leave have you got a source for that?
Corbyn said if he got into power he’d “smash globalism, smash capitalism and smash the EU” there are plenty of trade deals to be cut outside the failing protectionist EU block. Personally I voted leave for my kids and grandkids, expecting short term pain for long term gain, what I didn’t anticipate was the absolute refusal of Remainiacs to accept a democratic vote from the British People.

Do people still listen to this bumbling buffoon?

Why is it up to the UK to put a border in Ireland?
It is the EU and Ireland that want to maintain their protectionist borders and control everything going in and out of there.
If they want to stop items going into Ireland it is their problem, so their cost and their right to do that. It is not the UK saying put border controls and monitor imports/exports.

As for fish, tell the coastal communities whose lives depend on fishing that it does not matter. We used to have a thriving coastal community until the EU and it's Common Fisheries Policy destroyed it. The French take 6x what the UK do from the English Channel, in designated UK waters. If it is so insignificant and not important why are the EU demanding access to it? What about Greenpeace criticising the destruction of Special Protected Areas, located in UK waters, by EU Supertrawlers?
It is irrelevant if we do not eat the fish, as our fishermen can catch them and export them, so making a good living for our people and country. If they are not caught as there is no demand then the environment and fish stocks will improve.

Why wouldn't businesses be prepared to trade on WTO terms? Like the majority of the world currently do. Any good responsible intelligent businessman has made arrangements (as told to by the Government). This is not the incompetent bureaucratic public services, civil service, council, NHS etc we are talking about.

Holland gets a lot of medicines from this country and have already said they are worried we will not supply them. We on the other hand can trade with the rest of the world without the EU constraints and artificially overpricing of drugs, food, car parts etc.
I do not know any Brexiteers who have applied for EU passports, or any Remainers either for that matter, despite their crying, project fear etc and threats to do so. Even they know we will be better off as a free sovereign nation, making laws that benefit our country. I bet even those who have applied for EU passports have applied for a dual passport so they can come running back to the UK when things go wrong over there (as they will) or they need medical care or benefit handouts.

As for the completely stupid comment that people will starve or even die because of Brexit shows a weak uneducated character, and someone who obviously cannot function without being told what to do for themselves. This country survived for centuries without the "protection, support and health care" of the EU.

'Why is it up to the UK to put a border in Ireland?' Why is it up to the UK to put up a UK border? Suppose that makes the 'control our borders' line more leave bollocks.

I'm not saying fishing doesn't matter but promoting something that makes up 0.1% of our economy to a huge issue is nonsensical. Brexit will damage loads of bigger industries but you're ignoring that. They won't be able tojust export the fish as they do now as we'll have massive queues. You do know why they're building huge lorry parks around the UK?

The majority of countries don't trade on wto terms. There are 135 non EU countries and 105 of them have some sort of deal. Why don't you name one which doesn't?
8 of the largest haulage firms have recently complained about how the ports aren't ready and the government hasn't given details but you blame them because their crystal ball can't tell if Johnsons oven ready deal was another lie (obviously it was).

Since the brexit vote emigration to the EU has increased. Brexiteers moving: Dyson, Stanley Johnson is getting passports for his family, farage has said he'll leave if brexit is bad, Jacob Rees mong has moved assets to Ireland... I think rats leaving a sinking ship is an adequate phrase.

Medicine and food shortages will happen with a no deal brexit. No one should be denying that. You can either listen to: the government (who did stockpile medicine recently for the original brexit deadline... Wonder why?), the NHS, businesses, and experts OR just keep your fingers in your ears and pretend you weren't lied to.

We were told bodies will pile up on the street, we’ll run out of drinking water and bizarrely enough Dutch sperm for ivf. Wasn’t aware Farrage has said he’ll leave have you got a source for that?
Corbyn said if he got into power he’d “smash globalism, smash capitalism and smash the EU” there are plenty of trade deals to be cut outside the failing protectionist EU block. Personally I voted leave for my kids and grandkids, expecting short term pain for long term gain, what I didn’t anticipate was the absolute refusal of Remainiacs to accept a democratic vote from the British People.

Stuff was stockpiled to cater for the transitional period that would happen... must not forget it is not a one way street EU does deal with uk companies and need certain stuff from us as well wonder if EU stockpiled these things?....

Why is it up to the UK to put a border in Ireland?
It is the EU and Ireland that want to maintain their protectionist borders and control everything going in and out of there.
If they want to stop items going into Ireland it is their problem, so their cost and their right to do that. It is not the UK saying put border controls and monitor imports/exports.

As for fish, tell the coastal communities whose lives depend on fishing that it does not matter. We used to have a thriving coastal community until the EU and it's Common Fisheries Policy destroyed it. The French take 6x what the UK do from the English Channel, in designated UK waters. If it is so insignificant and not important why are the EU demanding access to it? What about Greenpeace criticising the destruction of Special Protected Areas, located in UK waters, by EU Supertrawlers?
It is irrelevant if we do not eat the fish, as our fishermen can catch them and export them, so making a good living for our people and country. If they are not caught as there is no demand then the environment and fish stocks will improve.

Why wouldn't businesses be prepared to trade on WTO terms? Like the majority of the world currently do. Any good responsible intelligent businessman has made arrangements (as told to by the Government). This is not the incompetent bureaucratic public services, civil service, council, NHS etc we are talking about.

Holland gets a lot of medicines from this country and have already said they are worried we will not supply them. We on the other hand can trade with the rest of the world without the EU constraints and artificially overpricing of drugs, food, car parts etc.
I do not know any Brexiteers who have applied for EU passports, or any Remainers either for that matter, despite their crying, project fear etc and threats to do so. Even they know we will be better off as a free sovereign nation, making laws that benefit our country. I bet even those who have applied for EU passports have applied for a dual passport so they can come running back to the UK when things go wrong over there (as they will) or they need medical care or benefit handouts.

As for the completely stupid comment that people will starve or even die because of Brexit shows a weak uneducated character, and someone who obviously cannot function without being told what to do for themselves. This country survived for centuries without the "protection, support and health care" of the EU.

'Why is it up to the UK to put a border in Ireland?' Why is it up to the UK to put up a UK border? Suppose that makes the 'control our borders' line more leave bollocks.

I'm not saying fishing doesn't matter but promoting something that makes up 0.1% of our economy to a huge issue is nonsensical. Brexit will damage loads of bigger industries but you're ignoring that. They won't be able tojust export the fish as they do now as we'll have massive queues. You do know why they're building huge lorry parks around the UK?

The majority of countries don't trade on wto terms. There are 135 non EU countries and 105 of them have some sort of deal. Why don't you name one which doesn't?
8 of the largest haulage firms have recently complained about how the ports aren't ready and the government hasn't given details but you blame them because their crystal ball can't tell if Johnsons oven ready deal was another lie (obviously it was).

Since the brexit vote emigration to the EU has increased. Brexiteers moving: Dyson, Stanley Johnson is getting passports for his family, farage has said he'll leave if brexit is bad, Jacob Rees mong has moved assets to Ireland... I think rats leaving a sinking ship is an adequate phrase.

Medicine and food shortages will happen with a no deal brexit. No one should be denying that. You can either listen to: the government (who did stockpile medicine recently for the original brexit deadline... Wonder why?), the NHS, businesses, and experts OR just keep your fingers in your ears and pretend you weren't lied to.

The UK and Ireland are not in the EU Schengen Zone. The UK and Ireland have our own movement agreement. This is a long term agreement and if the EU want to impose border controls (against the Good Friday Agreement possibly) then they should install them and pay for it, not the UK. Ireland has similar rules to the UK so it is not a problem to us, but it is to the EU who want to control everybody and everything.

Fishing might only be small in UK GDP terms, but as a community industry it is essential in those areas. Go to Cornwall, Grimsby, Scotland and tell them it is insignificant. As you deem it a small industry not worth protecting, at what level of UK industry would you consider fighting for it? "20%, 40% 60% of our GDP? Using your argument of people starving in the UK without EU food then EU citizens will starve without our fish, as they seem to need it so much. Therefore exporting it will be no problem.
Which bigger industries would suffer? As I said businessmen and large corporations should (and probably have) put systems in place. If they haven't that is their problem and incompetence after 4 years notice.
As for trading on WTO terms most countries don't need to as they sign bilateral agreements or have understandings. We will do the same (already started in many cases) and will do so on terms beneficial to the UK not to the EU. From 1 January 2021 we can start to sign deals and join other trade partnerships without the controlling EU taking a cut. They have been 9 years negotiating with Canada, 20 years with South America, neither are fully ratified yet. We have traditional historical and cultural links with larger areas of the world than the EU, so why not take advantage of them? Commonwealth, USA etc

As for the oven ready deal? Well there is. It's called the Canada one. In 2017 the EU (Barnier) said we could not have a bespoke deal but had to take a ready made one (Canada, Norway, Australia type). Boris says ok, and the slimy Barnier says no, we have to have a bespoke on. You cannot trust the EU, especially the French when it comes to deals and money. So the EU are the liars not Boris.
As for large lorry/car parks? It is called planning and preparation. You would complain if these things weren't put in place. Necessary at anytime as the French are constantly striking, resulting in traffic jams on our motorways to our ports, like Dover. So a great asset for the future, and one that would have been great in the past as well.

How many of these emigrants have actually left, or will leave? Let's wait and see, I bet it will be very few. Many staff have refused to leave the UK when EU institutions relocate to Netherlands and Paris.
Stanley Johnson is a remainer, Liberal Democrat voter and 1/2 French (mothers side?) so always entitled to that passport. But he is not leaving the UK, instead he is staying to contribute to our economy.

Dyson HQ is staying in the UK, paying UK tax, but moved production for cost and the huge Asian market for their products.

Rees Mogg if true, (unlikely if in the Guardian/Independent papers) is probably taking advantage of the Irish low tax system. Which is in breach of EU laws. Something the EU is trying to prevent the UK from doing, even after we have been freed from their control.
There will be no food shortages. Shortage of choice maybe, until we get fruit/veg from West African countries (deal already agreed by the way). Stock piling of food/ medicine etc is a good idea as the French (farmers/fishermen unions) will try to disrupt everything coming here.

The self proclaimed "experts" who predict problems? You use the NHS in this The NHS who had stockpiles of PPE, including their own emergency reserves and the Governments Brexit contingency reserve, but could not work out how to distribute it to their hospitals in the COVID period in April/May. The Government had to call the army in to do it for them as the NHS had no clue about logistical support or movement. You call them as experts?

When you leave school and get a job in the real world you will understand economics and how the world really works. Not text book theories.

Why is it up to the UK to put a border in Ireland?
It is the EU and Ireland that want to maintain their protectionist borders and control everything going in and out of there.
If they want to stop items going into Ireland it is their problem, so their cost and their right to do that. It is not the UK saying put border controls and monitor imports/exports.

As for fish, tell the coastal communities whose lives depend on fishing that it does not matter. We used to have a thriving coastal community until the EU and it's Common Fisheries Policy destroyed it. The French take 6x what the UK do from the English Channel, in designated UK waters. If it is so insignificant and not important why are the EU demanding access to it? What about Greenpeace criticising the destruction of Special Protected Areas, located in UK waters, by EU Supertrawlers?
It is irrelevant if we do not eat the fish, as our fishermen can catch them and export them, so making a good living for our people and country. If they are not caught as there is no demand then the environment and fish stocks will improve.

Why wouldn't businesses be prepared to trade on WTO terms? Like the majority of the world currently do. Any good responsible intelligent businessman has made arrangements (as told to by the Government). This is not the incompetent bureaucratic public services, civil service, council, NHS etc we are talking about.

Holland gets a lot of medicines from this country and have already said they are worried we will not supply them. We on the other hand can trade with the rest of the world without the EU constraints and artificially overpricing of drugs, food, car parts etc.
I do not know any Brexiteers who have applied for EU passports, or any Remainers either for that matter, despite their crying, project fear etc and threats to do so. Even they know we will be better off as a free sovereign nation, making laws that benefit our country. I bet even those who have applied for EU passports have applied for a dual passport so they can come running back to the UK when things go wrong over there (as they will) or they need medical care or benefit handouts.

As for the completely stupid comment that people will starve or even die because of Brexit shows a weak uneducated character, and someone who obviously cannot function without being told what to do for themselves. This country survived for centuries without the "protection, support and health care" of the EU.

'Why is it up to the UK to put a border in Ireland?' Why is it up to the UK to put up a UK border? Suppose that makes the 'control our borders' line more leave bollocks.

I'm not saying fishing doesn't matter but promoting something that makes up 0.1% of our economy to a huge issue is nonsensical. Brexit will damage loads of bigger industries but you're ignoring that. They won't be able tojust export the fish as they do now as we'll have massive queues. You do know why they're building huge lorry parks around the UK?

The majority of countries don't trade on wto terms. There are 135 non EU countries and 105 of them have some sort of deal. Why don't you name one which doesn't?
8 of the largest haulage firms have recently complained about how the ports aren't ready and the government hasn't given details but you blame them because their crystal ball can't tell if Johnsons oven ready deal was another lie (obviously it was).

Since the brexit vote emigration to the EU has increased. Brexiteers moving: Dyson, Stanley Johnson is getting passports for his family, farage has said he'll leave if brexit is bad, Jacob Rees mong has moved assets to Ireland... I think rats leaving a sinking ship is an adequate phrase.

Medicine and food shortages will happen with a no deal brexit. No one should be denying that. You can either listen to: the government (who did stockpile medicine recently for the original brexit deadline... Wonder why?), the NHS, businesses, and experts OR just keep your fingers in your ears and pretend you weren't lied to.

We were told bodies will pile up on the street, we’ll run out of drinking water and bizarrely enough Dutch sperm for ivf. Wasn’t aware Farrage has said he’ll leave have you got a source for that?
Corbyn said if he got into power he’d “smash globalism, smash capitalism and smash the EU” there are plenty of trade deals to be cut outside the failing protectionist EU block. Personally I voted leave for my kids and grandkids, expecting short term pain for long term gain, what I didn’t anticipate was the absolute refusal of Remainiacs to accept a democratic vote from the British People.

Don't remember the bodies claim but here's farage saying his claim: https://consent.yahoo.com/v2/collectCon ... 3c19852447
I assume you don't know of any countries who trade on wto terms then.

How long will this 'short term pain' be? What will it constitute? How much of it will YOU accept?

The ultimate form of democracy, a vague question on an advisory referendum with a tight result that has been taken to an extreme even though the people at the time said that would never happen and have been found out to have broken the law multiple times and lied about pretty much everything.

You might want to wait a few decades to have kids, your grand children might have a sporting chance by the time they're born.

Round-up: UK PM's coronavirus briefing

Cases have risen sharply in recent weeks, especially among 17- to 21-year-olds

The rise is not limited to a few local areas but has been seen across the country

The PM said it was "time to act" and introduced new measures in England from Monday, including "the rule of six" to limit the number of people who can gather together

There will be exemptions, such as for weddings and funerals, as well as in gyms and restaurants, but fines will be introduced for all those who break the rules

Hospitality venues will be legally required to collect contact details from customers, or face fines

Johnson also confirmed the government was working on a "moonshot" mass testing plan for tests that can give results in less than 20 minutes

There will be a pilot on entertainment venues in Salford next month so people who test negative on the door can go and see shows

He hopes to roll this out nationally, but we will need to wait for the results.

Round-up: UK PM's coronavirus briefing

Cases have risen sharply in recent weeks, especially among 17- to 21-year-olds

The rise is not limited to a few local areas but has been seen across the country

The PM said it was "time to act" and introduced new measures in England from Monday, including "the rule of six" to limit the number of people who can gather together

There will be exemptions, such as for weddings and funerals, as well as in gyms and restaurants, but fines will be introduced for all those who break the rules

Hospitality venues will be legally required to collect contact details from customers, or face fines

Johnson also confirmed the government was working on a "moonshot" mass testing plan for tests that can give results in less than 20 minutes

There will be a pilot on entertainment venues in Salford next month so people who test negative on the door can go and see shows

He hopes to roll this out nationally, but we will need to wait for the results.

Do they have to wait for results before being allowed in? If so dont need to be maths genius to see it will take forever to get in? And if allow you in before results can see it now can mr jones leave arena as you are covid positive?

Why is it up to the UK to put a border in Ireland?
It is the EU and Ireland that want to maintain their protectionist borders and control everything going in and out of there.
If they want to stop items going into Ireland it is their problem, so their cost and their right to do that. It is not the UK saying put border controls and monitor imports/exports.

As for fish, tell the coastal communities whose lives depend on fishing that it does not matter. We used to have a thriving coastal community until the EU and it's Common Fisheries Policy destroyed it. The French take 6x what the UK do from the English Channel, in designated UK waters. If it is so insignificant and not important why are the EU demanding access to it? What about Greenpeace criticising the destruction of Special Protected Areas, located in UK waters, by EU Supertrawlers?
It is irrelevant if we do not eat the fish, as our fishermen can catch them and export them, so making a good living for our people and country. If they are not caught as there is no demand then the environment and fish stocks will improve.

Why wouldn't businesses be prepared to trade on WTO terms? Like the majority of the world currently do. Any good responsible intelligent businessman has made arrangements (as told to by the Government). This is not the incompetent bureaucratic public services, civil service, council, NHS etc we are talking about.

Holland gets a lot of medicines from this country and have already said they are worried we will not supply them. We on the other hand can trade with the rest of the world without the EU constraints and artificially overpricing of drugs, food, car parts etc.
I do not know any Brexiteers who have applied for EU passports, or any Remainers either for that matter, despite their crying, project fear etc and threats to do so. Even they know we will be better off as a free sovereign nation, making laws that benefit our country. I bet even those who have applied for EU passports have applied for a dual passport so they can come running back to the UK when things go wrong over there (as they will) or they need medical care or benefit handouts.

As for the completely stupid comment that people will starve or even die because of Brexit shows a weak uneducated character, and someone who obviously cannot function without being told what to do for themselves. This country survived for centuries without the "protection, support and health care" of the EU.

'Why is it up to the UK to put a border in Ireland?' Why is it up to the UK to put up a UK border? Suppose that makes the 'control our borders' line more leave bollocks.

I'm not saying fishing doesn't matter but promoting something that makes up 0.1% of our economy to a huge issue is nonsensical. Brexit will damage loads of bigger industries but you're ignoring that. They won't be able tojust export the fish as they do now as we'll have massive queues. You do know why they're building huge lorry parks around the UK?

The majority of countries don't trade on wto terms. There are 135 non EU countries and 105 of them have some sort of deal. Why don't you name one which doesn't?
8 of the largest haulage firms have recently complained about how the ports aren't ready and the government hasn't given details but you blame them because their crystal ball can't tell if Johnsons oven ready deal was another lie (obviously it was).

Since the brexit vote emigration to the EU has increased. Brexiteers moving: Dyson, Stanley Johnson is getting passports for his family, farage has said he'll leave if brexit is bad, Jacob Rees mong has moved assets to Ireland... I think rats leaving a sinking ship is an adequate phrase.

Medicine and food shortages will happen with a no deal brexit. No one should be denying that. You can either listen to: the government (who did stockpile medicine recently for the original brexit deadline... Wonder why?), the NHS, businesses, and experts OR just keep your fingers in your ears and pretend you weren't lied to.

We were told bodies will pile up on the street, we’ll run out of drinking water and bizarrely enough Dutch sperm for ivf. Wasn’t aware Farrage has said he’ll leave have you got a source for that?
Corbyn said if he got into power he’d “smash globalism, smash capitalism and smash the EU” there are plenty of trade deals to be cut outside the failing protectionist EU block. Personally I voted leave for my kids and grandkids, expecting short term pain for long term gain, what I didn’t anticipate was the absolute refusal of Remainiacs to accept a democratic vote from the British People.

Don't remember the bodies claim but here's farage saying his claim: https://consent.yahoo.com/v2/collectCon ... 3c19852447
I assume you don't know of any countries who trade on wto terms then.

How long will this 'short term pain' be? What will it constitute? How much of it will YOU accept?

The ultimate form of democracy, a vague question on an advisory referendum with a tight result that has been taken to an extreme even though the people at the time said that would never happen and have been found out to have broken the law multiple times and lied about pretty much everything.

You might want to wait a few decades to have kids, your grand children might have a sporting chance by the time they're born.

WTO terms of trade are fine, they are the basis of world trade (hence the names World and Trade in the title).

You seem to have problems with facts. just vague bigoted assumptions.
Farage said if Brexit is a disaster he will leave the UK. So would many others if the remainer Government of Theresa May and Parliament, had had their way, and just surrendered to the EU's bullying and punishment for daring to leave their ideologically flawed experiment.
NOTICE (or did you fail to mention?) he never said he would go and live in the EU did he?
Infact his plan (and job offers came in), would have been to go to the USA.

The EU referendum was not vague, as Farage ensured it wasn't (initially the questions were vague or could be misconstrued).
But Farage ensured it was an easy YES or NO. No ambiguity there. What is vague about YES or NO?
Everyone knew what they were voting for. To leave the EU and it's corrupt bankrupt controlling influence.
The remainers believe they are far more superior and intelligent (obviously not) and cannot accept defeat. Even PIers Morgan (a remainer) says we should leave now, as he accepts the democratic decision of the British people.

It was not advisory as the remainers said so. Labour fought a general election promising to accept the vote of the people. Then back tracked and lied by doing everything to stop it. At least the Lib Dems always said they would not accept any result other than the one they wanted.
Ireland, Holland and France all had referendums about EU integration and the EU refused to accept any of them as they all were for less integration and against Brussels control.

All claims of breaking the law and lying against the Leave campaign were unfounded and proven so in courts to be smear attacks from the losers (remainers/anti democracy people).
The remain side vastly overspent and even had someone committing fraud in their name. One of their leaders, Gina Miller, is a proven liar and was only promoting herself, and her dodgy company.
The EU and remainers lied about further integration, creating an EU army etc.

I have kids, and business interests in the EU thanks, so I am well aware of the corrupt bureaucracy of the EU and some of it's members. All new ventures may have short term problems, cash flow, but long term are a great success, as the UK will prove to be, whether it is 2 years or 10 years is irrelevant now (COVID 19). At least our money will not be propping up the failed EU.