Confirmed: Caerphilly, Risca,Blackwood etc Lockdown

The county borough of Caerphilly is to be placed under a local lockdown from 18:00 BST on Tuesday after a "rapid" rise in coronavirus cases.



The restrictions mean people cannot enter or leave Caerphilly county borough - which includes Caerphilly town, Ystrad Mynach, Blackwood, Newbridge and Risca - without a "reasonable excuse".



BBC

Monday 7th September 2020


People will not be able to leave or enter the borough without good reason, the Welsh Government said.


Face masks will be required for everyone over 11 in shops and people will not be able to meet indoors.
Seeing others within extended households will be banned, and no overnight stays will be allowed.


The Welsh Government said that at 55.4 cases per 100,000 population, Caerphilly county had the highest rate in Wales and one of the highest in the UK.


Lockdown restrictions extended in west of Scotland


Highest reported cases in Wales since June

Schools face more disruption over Covid-19 cases


Wales' Health Minister Vaughan Gething said the virus was circulating in the community and it was "only a matter of time before we start to see more serious cases, which need hospital treatment".



The restrictions mean people cannot enter or leave Caerphilly county borough - which includes Caerphilly town, Ystrad Mynach, Blackwood, Newbridge and Risca - without a "reasonable excuse".


That includes work, if people are unable to work from home, or making a compassionate visit to a loved one, or to give care.
Bars and restaurants are not being closed under the restrictions.

Mr Gething said there had been a "significant rise in cases" in the borough over a short space of time, linked to travel abroad and "people socialising indoors and not following social distancing guidelines".


"A lot of these cases are in younger people and thankfully, at the

How can you put Caerphilly in lock down but the pubs / restaurants are allowed to stay open what a joke!

How can you put Caerphilly in lock down but the pubs / restaurants are allowed to stay open what a joke!

Exactly a farce by the weksh government

How can you put Caerphilly in lock down but the pubs / restaurants are allowed to stay open what a joke!

Just the same as what Matt Hancock has been doing with local lockdowns in England.

Pathetic. Lockdown? Farce

How can you put Caerphilly in lock down but the pubs / restaurants are allowed to stay open what a joke!

From 6pm tomorrow as a resident of Caerphilly I can't meet my family in my home, but wait a minute, I can go down the pub to see them.

As Drakeford likes to say "This is how we do it in Wales".

This needs to happen but how on earth can our Government let pubs / restaurants stay open.

Keep people out of your house, keep people out of the Borough BUT get down the boozer instead. Drakeford. Genius.

Caerphilly/ Cardiff not only places where social distancing was not done effectively? Past 2 months in st David's it's been non existent in pubs especially outside tenby same but it seems the tourists took virus home with them as only odd case in Pembrokeshire past 2 months? Can lockdown locally as much as you like but what about next town and the next it's not going to just stop to do that need to lockdown country for 6 months or more!
because as soon as relax lockdowns you will get rise in cases as in other countries and especially with more testing than at beginning of crisis.

The amount of people dying no longer relevant.

The amount of people in hospital no longer relevant.

The number of people in intensive care doesn't matter.

The fact that the NHS are under no pressure whatsoever from Covid 19 is never mentioned.

Now that all of the above are virtually nil it's all about the "infections".

No information on the ages or physical conditions of the "huge" number of new infections.

Is the aim of every government in the world to keep restrictions on people's freedom in place until there are NO instances of people having the virus because that will never happen.

It's a strange world for sure.

The amount of people dying no longer relevant.

The amount of people in hospital no longer relevant.

The number of people in intensive care doesn't matter.

The fact that the NHS are under no pressure whatsoever from Covid 19 is never mentioned.

Now that all of the above are virtually nil it's all about the "infections".

No information on the ages or physical conditions of the "huge" number of new infections.

Is the aim of every government in the world to keep restrictions on people's freedom in place until there are NO instances of people having the virus because that will never happen.

It's a strange world for sure.

Banged on about this for awhile but when you look from beginning its always been about negative side (deaths) nothing else! What your going to get is local lockdowns in rotation what town is next ?
Good question for drakeford is why when
his own experts are saying going to have 2nd wave plus got winter flu ect are the field hospitals being dismantled ? Thats a non sensicle decision unless they are keeping things from Joe public...

How can you put Caerphilly in lock down but the pubs / restaurants are allowed to stay open what a joke!

Just the same as what Matt Hancock has been doing with local lockdowns in England.

This is the problem - Welsh Gov - Uk Gov - Make Rules - But No Plan = Mixed Messages

As someone said they cant meet their family in their own home but they can meet them down the pub.
At least the pub should be practicing social distance and cleaning hands etc - you cant police that at home.
And - if the pub gets found out the council can shut them down - something which they cant do with peoples houses.

This doesnt deter from the fact that Drakeford is like wet fish out of water. He comes across as a semi retired Geography that somehow found himself as First Minister - check out his background - he shouldnt be anywhere near that job.

As for Gethin - he is like the 'Swiss Tony' of politicians - dresses like an estate agent on a stag do.

How can you put Caerphilly in lock down but the pubs / restaurants are allowed to stay open what a joke!

Just the same as what Matt Hancock has been doing with local lockdowns in England.

Ned both idiots

The amount of people dying no longer relevant.

The amount of people in hospital no longer relevant.

The number of people in intensive care doesn't matter.

The fact that the NHS are under no pressure whatsoever from Covid 19 is never mentioned.

Now that all of the above are virtually nil it's all about the "infections".

No information on the ages or physical conditions of the "huge" number of new infections.

Is the aim of every government in the world to keep restrictions on people's freedom in place until there are NO instances of people having the virus because that will never happen.

It's a strange world for sure.

Banged on about this for awhile but when you look from beginning its always been about negative side (deaths) nothing else! What your going to get is local lockdowns in rotation what town is next ?
Good question for drakeford is why when
his own experts are saying going to have 2nd wave plus got winter flu ect are the field hospitals being dismantled ? Thats a non sensicle decision unless they are keeping things from Joe public...

Allan,

It's "cases cases cases" at the moment, that's how they've kept Project Fear going over the summer months.

All media reporting is negative biased news.

Why have we never had a rolling death count of cancer deaths every day on the news?
Road traffic deaths?
Tuberculosis?
Pneumonia?

hmm...

What a complete and absolutely farcical decision

Drakeford, Vaughan and the rest of the overpaid WAG need to resign and let people who have the common sense and intelligence to make logical decisions make those decisions

The WAG is a complete joke

I have started a separate thread on research carried out on testing procedures in the US - and reported by The New York Times. This is relevant to what is happening in Caerphilly and what could happen to all of us this winter. The thread is entitled: 'Covid 19 Testing Flawed - According to NY Times Article'. I have lots of family in Caerphilly and this will affect them all.

The county borough of Caerphilly is to be placed under a local lockdown from 18:00 BST on Tuesday after a "rapid" rise in coronavirus cases.

No-one will be able to leave or enter the borough without good reason, the Welsh Government said.

Face masks will be required for everyone over 11 in shops within the area.

People will not be able to meet indoors with others in their extended household, nor make overnight stays.

The Welsh Government said that at 55.4 cases per 100,000 population, Caerphilly county had the highest rate in Wales and one of the highest in the UK.

It is the first local restriction announced in Wales since the start of the pandemic.

Schools, bars and restaurants are not being closed under the restrictions. Care visits will be able to go ahead.
Wales' Health Minister Vaughan Gething blamed the rise in cases on people socialising in their homes.

The changes mean people cannot enter or leave Caerphilly county borough - which includes Caerphilly town, Ystrad Mynach, Blackwood, Newbridge and Risca - without a "reasonable excuse".

That includes work, if people are unable to work from home, or making a compassionate visit to a loved one, or to give care.

Mr Gething said there had been a "significant rise in cases" in the borough over a short space of time, linked to travel abroad and people socialising indoors "not following social distancing guidelines".

"A lot of these cases are in younger people and thankfully, at the moment, most of these are mild."

Source: Public Health Wales, 7 September

Mr Gething told BBC Wales: "Social distancing had broken down in large parts.

"There's been a sustained rise in cases and we've been able to trace that back to activity that has largely taken place in people's homes."

He said he knew people would be disappointed but the Welsh Government had to act after "the sustained rise in cases".

Mr Gething said there had not been an increase in the number of people seeking medical attention but he said "it would take two or three weeks to see that sort of impact".

Caerphilly council leader Philippa Marsden said: "We need to create a break in the cycle of infection we are seeing in Caerphilly borough at the moment and unfortunately that means introducing new, tougher restrictions."

What are the new restrictions in Caerphilly?

People will only be able to meet others outdoors for the time being as indoor meetings and gatherings will be restricted

People will not be allowed to enter or leave the Caerphilly area without a reasonable excuse, such as care visits or to go to work if they are unable to work from home

Everyone over 11 will be required to wear face coverings in shops

Caerphilly council has already temporarily suspended visiting to care homes

More detail on what is considered a reasonable excuse for leaving or entering the area is expected on Tuesday.

The new restrictions will apply to everyone living within the Caerphilly council area.

The rules will be kept under review and enforced by the council and police, the Welsh Government said.

The amount of people dying no longer relevant.

The amount of people in hospital no longer relevant.

The number of people in intensive care doesn't matter.

The fact that the NHS are under no pressure whatsoever from Covid 19 is never mentioned.

Now that all of the above are virtually nil it's all about the "infections".

No information on the ages or physical conditions of the "huge" number of new infections.

Is the aim of every government in the world to keep restrictions on people's freedom in place until there are NO instances of people having the virus because that will never happen.

It's a strange world for sure.

Banged on about this for awhile but when you look from beginning its always been about negative side (deaths) nothing else! What your going to get is local lockdowns in rotation what town is next ?
Good question for drakeford is why when
his own experts are saying going to have 2nd wave plus got winter flu ect are the field hospitals being dismantled ? Thats a non sensicle decision unless they are keeping things from Joe public...

Allan,

It's "cases cases cases" at the moment, that's how they've kept Project Fear going over the summer months.

All media reporting is negative biased news.

Why have we never had a rolling death count of cancer deaths every day on the news?
Road traffic deaths?
Tuberculosis?
Pneumonia?

hmm...

Preventable deaths are going to go through roof because hospitals are closed down to most things with one two exceptions! And people are to scared go go to hospital for operations? My sister got call asking if she would go on standby list as not enough people are wanting their ops at moment.... but you can be sure these deaths will not be reported.

The amount of people dying no longer relevant.

The amount of people in hospital no longer relevant.

The number of people in intensive care doesn't matter.

The fact that the NHS are under no pressure whatsoever from Covid 19 is never mentioned.

Now that all of the above are virtually nil it's all about the "infections".

No information on the ages or physical conditions of the "huge" number of new infections.

Is the aim of every government in the world to keep restrictions on people's freedom in place until there are NO instances of people having the virus because that will never happen.

It's a strange world for sure.

Banged on about this for awhile but when you look from beginning its always been about negative side (deaths) nothing else! What your going to get is local lockdowns in rotation what town is next ?
Good question for drakeford is why when
his own experts are saying going to have 2nd wave plus got winter flu ect are the field hospitals being dismantled ? Thats a non sensicle decision unless they are keeping things from Joe public...

Allan,

It's "cases cases cases" at the moment, that's how they've kept Project Fear going over the summer months.

All media reporting is negative biased news.

Why have we never had a rolling death count of cancer deaths every day on the news?
Road traffic deaths?
Tuberculosis?
Pneumonia?

hmm...

Preventable deaths are going to go through roof because hospitals are closed down to most things with one two exceptions! And people are to scared go go to hospital for operations? My sister got call asking if she would go on standby list as not enough people are wanting their ops at moment.... but you can be sure these deaths will not be reported.

All I can say is that common sense is going out of the window and we are trading our freedom for 'safety'. Very dangerous times.

It's hard to know what to do, if you go out and peacefully protest, you watch that get blamed on further lockdowns... Even though other protests have not been proven to escalate hospitalisations/deaths. Also, large protests are prone to getting infiltrated by glory hunters, disinfo etc...

At the moment all I can think of is keeping people open-minded at a minimum and printing off resources from WHO, CDC, UN and news articles etc. that dispel the Project Fear narrative.

The amount of people dying no longer relevant.

The amount of people in hospital no longer relevant.

The number of people in intensive care doesn't matter.

The fact that the NHS are under no pressure whatsoever from Covid 19 is never mentioned.

Now that all of the above are virtually nil it's all about the "infections".

No information on the ages or physical conditions of the "huge" number of new infections.

Is the aim of every government in the world to keep restrictions on people's freedom in place until there are NO instances of people having the virus because that will never happen.

It's a strange world for sure.

Banged on about this for awhile but when you look from beginning its always been about negative side (deaths) nothing else! What your going to get is local lockdowns in rotation what town is next ?
Good question for drakeford is why when
his own experts are saying going to have 2nd wave plus got winter flu ect are the field hospitals being dismantled ? Thats a non sensicle decision unless they are keeping things from Joe public...

Allan,

It's "cases cases cases" at the moment, that's how they've kept Project Fear going over the summer months.

All media reporting is negative biased news.

Why have we never had a rolling death count of cancer deaths every day on the news?
Road traffic deaths?
Tuberculosis?
Pneumonia?

hmm...

Preventable deaths are going to go through roof because hospitals are closed down to most things with one two exceptions! And people are to scared go go to hospital for operations? My sister got call asking if she would go on standby list as not enough people are wanting their ops at moment.... but you can be sure these deaths will not be reported.

Btw, hope you sister gets the help needed to get well asap. I also have family on an NHS waiting list apparently now tailing back to 2022.

Agree with the majority, its a joke.

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The amount of people dying no longer relevant.

The amount of people in hospital no longer relevant.

The number of people in intensive care doesn't matter.

The fact that the NHS are under no pressure whatsoever from Covid 19 is never mentioned.

Now that all of the above are virtually nil it's all about the "infections".

No information on the ages or physical conditions of the "huge" number of new infections.

Is the aim of every government in the world to keep restrictions on people's freedom in place until there are NO instances of people having the virus because that will never happen.

It's a strange world for sure.

Banged on about this for awhile but when you look from beginning its always been about negative side (deaths) nothing else! What your going to get is local lockdowns in rotation what town is next ?
Good question for drakeford is why when
his own experts are saying going to have 2nd wave plus got winter flu ect are the field hospitals being dismantled ? Thats a non sensicle decision unless they are keeping things from Joe public...

Allan,

It's "cases cases cases" at the moment, that's how they've kept Project Fear going over the summer months.

All media reporting is negative biased news.

Why have we never had a rolling death count of cancer deaths every day on the news?
Road traffic deaths?
Tuberculosis?
Pneumonia?

hmm...

Preventable deaths are going to go through roof because hospitals are closed down to most things with one two exceptions! And people are to scared go go to hospital for operations? My sister got call asking if she would go on standby list as not enough people are wanting their ops at moment.... but you can be sure these deaths will not be reported.

All I can say is that common sense is going out of the window and we are trading our freedom for 'safety'. Very dangerous times.

It's hard to know what to do, if you go out and peacefully protest, you watch that get blamed on further lockdowns... Even though other protests have not been proven to escalate hospitalisations/deaths. Also, large protests are prone to getting infiltrated by glory hunters, disinfo etc...

At the moment all I can think of is keeping people open-minded at a minimum and printing off resources from WHO, CDC, UN and news articles etc. that dispel the Project Fear narrative.

ive been putting numbers out since before we locked down... always official ones.. but to no avail..
people do not care they seem happy to be frightened .. its unreasonable and unfathomable... a mate of mine got this virus and was in bed for 3 days quite rough.. honestly i must have been asked 50 times if its true he has had it and is he ok now.... now heres the thing, had he been equally as rough in bed for 3 days with flu. most of those asking wouldnt even know... its as if covid is an obsession with people ?

The amount of people dying no longer relevant.

The amount of people in hospital no longer relevant.

The number of people in intensive care doesn't matter.

The fact that the NHS are under no pressure whatsoever from Covid 19 is never mentioned.

Now that all of the above are virtually nil it's all about the "infections".

No information on the ages or physical conditions of the "huge" number of new infections.

Is the aim of every government in the world to keep restrictions on people's freedom in place until there are NO instances of people having the virus because that will never happen.

It's a strange world for sure.

Banged on about this for awhile but when you look from beginning its always been about negative side (deaths) nothing else! What your going to get is local lockdowns in rotation what town is next ?
Good question for drakeford is why when
his own experts are saying going to have 2nd wave plus got winter flu ect are the field hospitals being dismantled ? Thats a non sensicle decision unless they are keeping things from Joe public...

Allan,

It's "cases cases cases" at the moment, that's how they've kept Project Fear going over the summer months.

All media reporting is negative biased news.

Why have we never had a rolling death count of cancer deaths every day on the news?
Road traffic deaths?
Tuberculosis?
Pneumonia?

hmm...

Preventable deaths are going to go through roof because hospitals are closed down to most things with one two exceptions! And people are to scared go go to hospital for operations? My sister got call asking if she would go on standby list as not enough people are wanting their ops at moment.... but you can be sure these deaths will not be reported.

All I can say is that common sense is going out of the window and we are trading our freedom for 'safety'. Very dangerous times.

It's hard to know what to do, if you go out and peacefully protest, you watch that get blamed on further lockdowns... Even though other protests have not been proven to escalate hospitalisations/deaths. Also, large protests are prone to getting infiltrated by glory hunters, disinfo etc...

At the moment all I can think of is keeping people open-minded at a minimum and printing off resources from WHO, CDC, UN and news articles etc. that dispel the Project Fear narrative.

ive been putting numbers out since before we locked down... always official ones.. but to no avail..
people do not care they seem happy to be frightened .. its unreasonable and unfathomable... a mate of mine got this virus and was in bed for 3 days quite rough.. honestly i must have been asked 50 times if its true he has had it and is he ok now.... now heres the thing, had he been equally as rough in bed for 3 days with flu. most of those asking wouldnt even know... its as if covid is an obsession with people ?

Me and you have the same views on covid,bar one.my mother is terrified as an 80 year old,to the extent of having quite severe panic attacks,on the occasions she has tried she had a very active life until this b@locks, and was very sociable,now she hides at home,just waiting for the 3rd letter,warning her to stay in and away from people!!
Hardly say she was happy with how it's f@cked her life over! My 55 yr old sister the same! Even to the extent she has bought an electric scooter for her commute between jobs,and to avoid buses and taxi's,
I would normally call her a tough old b@tch,who has put up with her fair share of shit down the years,who now has an app to see who around her might have been infected,is paranoid (hard to say that word lightly ) to f@ck,all because she listens and believes all the tv tells her regarding the virus,
I try when I see her to see my side,and why I'm not a quivering wreck,scared to shit,but she keeps reverting to type,which is what a lot of people are doing,only they are doing it the opposite way to her,instead of being cautious to the point your life is shit (because you have let the "virus" win!) Just be cautious full stop.
I'm dreading this"second wave" not for me,but for 2 of my loved ones,whose poor brains are at breaking point
Anyway as I said I agree with the rest of your post

The amount of people dying no longer relevant.

The amount of people in hospital no longer relevant.

The number of people in intensive care doesn't matter.

The fact that the NHS are under no pressure whatsoever from Covid 19 is never mentioned.

Now that all of the above are virtually nil it's all about the "infections".

No information on the ages or physical conditions of the "huge" number of new infections.

Is the aim of every government in the world to keep restrictions on people's freedom in place until there are NO instances of people having the virus because that will never happen.

It's a strange world for sure.

Banged on about this for awhile but when you look from beginning its always been about negative side (deaths) nothing else! What your going to get is local lockdowns in rotation what town is next ?
Good question for drakeford is why when
his own experts are saying going to have 2nd wave plus got winter flu ect are the field hospitals being dismantled ? Thats a non sensicle decision unless they are keeping things from Joe public...

Allan,

It's "cases cases cases" at the moment, that's how they've kept Project Fear going over the summer months.

All media reporting is negative biased news.

Why have we never had a rolling death count of cancer deaths every day on the news?
Road traffic deaths?
Tuberculosis?
Pneumonia?

hmm...

Preventable deaths are going to go through roof because hospitals are closed down to most things with one two exceptions! And people are to scared go go to hospital for operations? My sister got call asking if she would go on standby list as not enough people are wanting their ops at moment.... but you can be sure these deaths will not be reported.

All I can say is that common sense is going out of the window and we are trading our freedom for 'safety'. Very dangerous times.

It's hard to know what to do, if you go out and peacefully protest, you watch that get blamed on further lockdowns... Even though other protests have not been proven to escalate hospitalisations/deaths. Also, large protests are prone to getting infiltrated by glory hunters, disinfo etc...

At the moment all I can think of is keeping people open-minded at a minimum and printing off resources from WHO, CDC, UN and news articles etc. that dispel the Project Fear narrative.

ive been putting numbers out since before we locked down... always official ones.. but to no avail..
people do not care they seem happy to be frightened .. its unreasonable and unfathomable... a mate of mine got this virus and was in bed for 3 days quite rough.. honestly i must have been asked 50 times if its true he has had it and is he ok now.... now heres the thing, had he been equally as rough in bed for 3 days with flu. most of those asking wouldnt even know... its as if covid is an obsession with people ?

Me and you have the same views on covid,bar one.my mother is terrified as an 80 year old,to the extent of having quite severe panic attacks,on the occasions she has tried she had a very active life until this b@locks, and was very sociable,now she hides at home,just waiting for the 3rd letter,warning her to stay in and away from people!!
Hardly say she was happy with how it's f@cked her life over! My 55 yr old sister the same! Even to the extent she has bought an electric scooter for her commute between jobs,and to avoid buses and taxi's,
I would normally call her a tough old b@tch,who has put up with her fair share of shit down the years,who now has an app to see who around her might have been infected,is paranoid (hard to say that word lightly ) to f@ck,all because she listens and believes all the tv tells her regarding the virus,
I try when I see her to see my side,and why I'm not a quivering wreck,scared to shit,but she keeps reverting to type,which is what a lot of people are doing,only they are doing it the opposite way to her,instead of being cautious to the point your life is shit (because you have let the "virus" win!) Just be cautious full stop.
I'm dreading this"second wave" not for me,but for 2 of my loved ones,whose poor brains are at breaking point
Anyway as I said I agree with the rest of your post

The amount of people dying no longer relevant.

The amount of people in hospital no longer relevant.

The number of people in intensive care doesn't matter.

The fact that the NHS are under no pressure whatsoever from Covid 19 is never mentioned.

Now that all of the above are virtually nil it's all about the "infections".

No information on the ages or physical conditions of the "huge" number of new infections.

Is the aim of every government in the world to keep restrictions on people's freedom in place until there are NO instances of people having the virus because that will never happen.

It's a strange world for sure.

Banged on about this for awhile but when you look from beginning its always been about negative side (deaths) nothing else! What your going to get is local lockdowns in rotation what town is next ?
Good question for drakeford is why when
his own experts are saying going to have 2nd wave plus got winter flu ect are the field hospitals being dismantled ? Thats a non sensicle decision unless they are keeping things from Joe public...

Allan,

It's "cases cases cases" at the moment, that's how they've kept Project Fear going over the summer months.

All media reporting is negative biased news.

Why have we never had a rolling death count of cancer deaths every day on the news?
Road traffic deaths?
Tuberculosis?
Pneumonia?

hmm...

Preventable deaths are going to go through roof because hospitals are closed down to most things with one two exceptions! And people are to scared go go to hospital for operations? My sister got call asking if she would go on standby list as not enough people are wanting their ops at moment.... but you can be sure these deaths will not be reported.

All I can say is that common sense is going out of the window and we are trading our freedom for 'safety'. Very dangerous times.

It's hard to know what to do, if you go out and peacefully protest, you watch that get blamed on further lockdowns... Even though other protests have not been proven to escalate hospitalisations/deaths. Also, large protests are prone to getting infiltrated by glory hunters, disinfo etc...

At the moment all I can think of is keeping people open-minded at a minimum and printing off resources from WHO, CDC, UN and news articles etc. that dispel the Project Fear narrative.

ive been putting numbers out since before we locked down... always official ones.. but to no avail..
people do not care they seem happy to be frightened .. its unreasonable and unfathomable... a mate of mine got this virus and was in bed for 3 days quite rough.. honestly i must have been asked 50 times if its true he has had it and is he ok now.... now heres the thing, had he been equally as rough in bed for 3 days with flu. most of those asking wouldnt even know... its as if covid is an obsession with people ?

Me and you have the same views on covid,bar one.my mother is terrified as an 80 year old,to the extent of having quite severe panic attacks,on the occasions she has tried she had a very active life until this b@locks, and was very sociable,now she hides at home,just waiting for the 3rd letter,warning her to stay in and away from people!!
Hardly say she was happy with how it's f@cked her life over! My 55 yr old sister the same! Even to the extent she has bought an electric scooter for her commute between jobs,and to avoid buses and taxi's,
I would normally call her a tough old b@tch,who has put up with her fair share of shit down the years,who now has an app to see who around her might have been infected,is paranoid (hard to say that word lightly ) to f@ck,all because she listens and believes all the tv tells her regarding the virus,
I try when I see her to see my side,and why I'm not a quivering wreck,scared to shit,but she keeps reverting to type,which is what a lot of people are doing,only they are doing it the opposite way to her,instead of being cautious to the point your life is shit (because you have let the "virus" win!) Just be cautious full stop.
I'm dreading this"second wave" not for me,but for 2 of my loved ones,whose poor brains are at breaking point
Anyway as I said I agree with the rest of your post

happy to be frightened wasnt really what i meant... nobody is happy, its more an acceptance of this terrible virus they keep being told about.. im genuinely gutted for your family mate.. and i see it myself , life has been turned on its head with much worse to come when large numbers of jobs disappear in the next couple of months.. at what point to people start thinking ?

There can only be two causes. Foreign holidays or pubs. Generally they involve booze and late night booze at that.

Close all pubs at 22:00, how can a coyote ugly be responsible for the masses trying to get into their premises. Its not going to work.

As usual WAG are not up to it. Some of the daftest things i have heard come from Cardiff bay, but lock down with the pubs open is beyond any sense.

If they "believe in the science" be true to it and not half measures. Whether you think the interpretation of the data is correct is a totally different scenario.

Caerphilly, Risca,Blackwood in "Lockdown" doesn't half make the headlines in the national news but upon closer inspection its totally pointless, like the Wales Government.

What a lot of people are missing is the fact that people in the Caerphilly area have abused the social distancing rules. I know of many circumstances where people have just been totally ignoring all the basics.
Its very simple keep your social distance and good hand hygiene and the rest takes care of itself. I think Caerphilly has brought this on itself and the rest of the country needs to sit up and pay attention SIMPLE

The amount of people dying no longer relevant.

The amount of people in hospital no longer relevant.

The number of people in intensive care doesn't matter.

The fact that the NHS are under no pressure whatsoever from Covid 19 is never mentioned.

Now that all of the above are virtually nil it's all about the "infections".

No information on the ages or physical conditions of the "huge" number of new infections.

Is the aim of every government in the world to keep restrictions on people's freedom in place until there are NO instances of people having the virus because that will never happen.

It's a strange world for sure.

Banged on about this for awhile but when you look from beginning its always been about negative side (deaths) nothing else! What your going to get is local lockdowns in rotation what town is next ?
Good question for drakeford is why when
his own experts are saying going to have 2nd wave plus got winter flu ect are the field hospitals being dismantled ? Thats a non sensicle decision unless they are keeping things from Joe public...

Allan,

It's "cases cases cases" at the moment, that's how they've kept Project Fear going over the summer months.

All media reporting is negative biased news.

Why have we never had a rolling death count of cancer deaths every day on the news?
Road traffic deaths?
Tuberculosis?
Pneumonia?

hmm...

Preventable deaths are going to go through roof because hospitals are closed down to most things with one two exceptions! And people are to scared go go to hospital for operations? My sister got call asking if she would go on standby list as not enough people are wanting their ops at moment.... but you can be sure these deaths will not be reported.

All I can say is that common sense is going out of the window and we are trading our freedom for 'safety'. Very dangerous times.

It's hard to know what to do, if you go out and peacefully protest, you watch that get blamed on further lockdowns... Even though other protests have not been proven to escalate hospitalisations/deaths. Also, large protests are prone to getting infiltrated by glory hunters, disinfo etc...

At the moment all I can think of is keeping people open-minded at a minimum and printing off resources from WHO, CDC, UN and news articles etc. that dispel the Project Fear narrative.

ive been putting numbers out since before we locked down... always official ones.. but to no avail..
people do not care they seem happy to be frightened .. its unreasonable and unfathomable... a mate of mine got this virus and was in bed for 3 days quite rough.. honestly i must have been asked 50 times if its true he has had it and is he ok now.... now heres the thing, had he been equally as rough in bed for 3 days with flu. most of those asking wouldnt even know... its as if covid is an obsession with people ?

Me and you have the same views on covid,bar one.my mother is terrified as an 80 year old,to the extent of having quite severe panic attacks,on the occasions she has tried she had a very active life until this b@locks, and was very sociable,now she hides at home,just waiting for the 3rd letter,warning her to stay in and away from people!!
Hardly say she was happy with how it's f@cked her life over! My 55 yr old sister the same! Even to the extent she has bought an electric scooter for her commute between jobs,and to avoid buses and taxi's,
I would normally call her a tough old b@tch,who has put up with her fair share of shit down the years,who now has an app to see who around her might have been infected,is paranoid (hard to say that word lightly ) to f@ck,all because she listens and believes all the tv tells her regarding the virus,
I try when I see her to see my side,and why I'm not a quivering wreck,scared to shit,but she keeps reverting to type,which is what a lot of people are doing,only they are doing it the opposite way to her,instead of being cautious to the point your life is shit (because you have let the "virus" win!) Just be cautious full stop.
I'm dreading this"second wave" not for me,but for 2 of my loved ones,whose poor brains are at breaking point
Anyway as I said I agree with the rest of your post

That's what we need for the new normal, let the youngsters go out and catch it if they don't live with elderly or seriously obese/sick parents, and let the sick, scared and elderly keep the distancing and make sure they don't get it as they carry a far greater risk of death or long term problems from the virus.

Those people can still try and work but avoid pubs restaurants and flights and holidays and just do essential shopping.

Self policing will be the way forward, it's up to all of us how much risk we take, until early in the new year when we should have a vaccine.

There can only be two causes. Foreign holidays or pubs. Generally they involve booze and late night booze at that.

Close all pubs at 22:00, how can a coyote ugly be responsible for the masses trying to get into their premises. Its not going to work.

As usual WAG are not up to it. Some of the daftest things i have heard come from Cardiff bay, but lock down with the pubs open is beyond any sense.

If they "believe in the science" be true to it and not half measures. Whether you think the interpretation of the data is correct is a totally different scenario.

Caerphilly, Risca,Blackwood in "Lockdown" doesn't half make the headlines in the national news but upon closer inspection its totally pointless, like the Wales Government.

Agree they are the biggest causes, public transport and places like cinema's, Bowling and other indoor venues will play a part aswell.