Coronavirus: Coyote Ugly in Cardiff 'could close'

Coronavirus: Coyote Ugly in Cardiff 'could close' over social distancing

Coronavirus pandemic

Ian Cottrell said he was "shocked" at the lack of social distancing

A popular bar in Cardiff city centre could be closed after a video showed crowds of clubbers appearing to ignore social distancing guidelines.

The footage was captured outside the Coyote Ugly bar at about 00:30 BST on Saturday.

The nightclub said it adheres to coronavirus rules and turns away large crowds.

But Cardiff council said it could close the venue unless there are improvements.

"Our officers will be visiting the premises today to discuss last night's scenes," said a Cardiff council official.

"The council intends to use the images obtained from last night with a view to taking action against the venue for breaching Covid-19 health and safety measures, as set out by Welsh Government."

The authority said it was the responsibility of businesses to ensure 2m social distancing was maintained inside and outside venues.

"The safety of visitors to the city centre remains a priority and processes to minimise the spread of the virus must be taken seriously," added the council.

"Scenes like this are unacceptable and if immediate improvements are not made then the council could close the premises."

City leaders said they would take action against any venues "not following the rules".

The footage was captured by Ian Cottrell on lower St Mary Street in Cardiff and was posted on social media.

He said he was "shocked" at the lack of social distancing outside the bar.
What did police do?

He asked police officers nearby why they were not taking action but Mr Cottrell said he was told it was a matter for the establishment to comply with coronavirus guidelines.

Responding to that claim, South Wales Police said officers did engage with staff at the venue on Friday evening, and the venue has also been visited on Saturday "to try and prevent similar issues this evening and in the future".

"Our officers work to engage, encourage and explain the legislation imposed by Welsh Government, and enforce where necessary and proportionate," said a police spokesman.

"Policing our capital city is a huge undertaking, and videos such as the one posted on social media on Friday night do not capture the true demand placed on our officers, who work tirelessly to keep visitors to the busy area safe."
What have Coyote Ugly said?

Coyote Ugly said it is "very careful" to comply with all the rules.

"Late in the evening we've had some big groups arrive, mixed households, and we simply turn them away," said spokesman Sean McMahon.

Image caption Public Health Wales have expressed concerns that some 20-30 year-olds are spreading the virus

"There are big placards both inside and out explaining the rules on social distancing.

"They turn up, we know where these groups are coming from but we tell them there's too many and they aren't coming in. There are no exceptions.

"It's a safe venue. We have social distancing throughout. There's no dancing on the bars, like there used to be. You can see from our CCTV that it's working.

"It's a shame because someone coming past has just snapped this late in the evening."
'Direct appeal to young people'

Public Health Wales (PHW) has expressed concerns that a lack of social distancing among 20-30 year-olds has increased the spread of Covid-19 to other groups of people.

Dr Chris Williams said younger people "really need to think hard about how they are socially distancing".

He said the Coyote Ugly footage showed individuals were not keeping 2m apart.

"We would really urge people, if they're going out and taking advantage of the opening of the night-time economy, they should avoid being on the same tables and being with people from outside their grouped households," he told BBC Wales.

"They should do their best to socially distance while they're out."

"We would make a direct appeal to young people to remember that even if they feel that they would not be badly affected by Covid-19 were they to test positive, should they pass it on to older or more vulnerable family members, friends or colleagues it could be extremely serious, and even fatal," a statement said.

The latest figures show eight new cases in Cardiff in the last day.

Health Minister Vaughan Gething previously said stag and hen-dos should be a thing of the past following a rise in cases in Cardiff.

He blamed the spike in the capital on "indoor contact rather than outdoor contact" and warned against pub crawls, and against ignoring health advice on socialising.

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FFS....when are people going to wake up?

It's a virus.......so you will not be able to control it! The only thing a government can do is CONTROL it's people....the virus will do what it wants....Whitt's style!

A virus that kills less people than influenza but somehow cripples our economy and takes away most of our freedoms is not controlling us! YOUR GOVERNMENT IS.....unless you choose to exercise your right as a free thinking human being.

Be reckless...NO.....be free...YES!

Who ever this Ian Cottrell is he sounds like a barrel of laughs! Just the kind of person you want to go out drinking with!

Who ever this Ian Cottrell is he sounds like a barrel of laughs! Just the kind of person you want to go out drinking with!

Hes a nobody! posting a picture of lots people together, sure there was other establishments with same problem as this bar see it all of the time but now it's an excuse to stamp down on people again.....

My lad works in there. It’s outside it’s a problem not inside. When my mate went to Barry Island on the train and to keep social distancing on the trains they had everyone bearded like cattle outside the train station for hours no social distancing.
Shows the utter bullshit of this plandemic. The authorities just want an excuse to close clubs and pubs whilst if you are having a so called peaceful protest with BLM it’s fine.
I CALL IT BULLSHIT

FFS....when are people going to wake up?

It's a virus.......so you will not be able to control it! The only thing a government can do is CONTROL it's people....the virus will do what it wants....Whitt's style!

A virus that kills less people than influenza but somehow cripples our economy and takes away most of our freedoms is not controlling us! YOUR GOVERNMENT IS.....unless you choose to exercise your right as a free thinking human being.

Be reckless...NO.....be free...YES!

Well said the trouble is,most of the country are blinded to what you are saying,and will do as the goverment asks! Look further people,before its too late,you are losing your rights,yet stand by just watching!!
And the last statement above is spot on!!

FFS....when are people going to wake up?

It's a virus.......so you will not be able to control it! The only thing a government can do is CONTROL it's people....the virus will do what it wants....Whitt's style!

A virus that kills less people than influenza but somehow cripples our economy and takes away most of our freedoms is not controlling us! YOUR GOVERNMENT IS.....unless you choose to exercise your right as a free thinking human being.

Be reckless...NO.....be free...YES!

Well said the trouble is,most of the country are blinded to what you are saying,and will do as the goverment asks! Look further people,before its too late,you are losing your rights,yet stand by just watching!!
And the last statement above is spot on!!

and of course people taking these pictures and loading them online..
followed by ever scaremongering, window twitching old gossip moaning has zero effect ?
it does.. it puts pressure on the government which has been the case from day1... people didnt want rights they wanted a killdown yesterday , and the pressure in the media which was public backed helped put us here...

FFS....when are people going to wake up?

It's a virus.......so you will not be able to control it! The only thing a government can do is CONTROL it's people....the virus will do what it wants....Whitt's style!

A virus that kills less people than influenza but somehow cripples our economy and takes away most of our freedoms is not controlling us! YOUR GOVERNMENT IS.....unless you choose to exercise your right as a free thinking human being.

Be reckless...NO.....be free...YES!

Well said the trouble is,most of the country are blinded to what you are saying,and will do as the goverment asks! Look further people,before its too late,you are losing your rights,yet stand by just watching!!
And the last statement above is spot on!!

and of course people taking these pictures and loading them online..
followed by ever scaremongering, window twitching old gossip moaning has zero effect ?
it does.. it puts pressure on the government which has been the case from day1... people didnt want rights they wanted a killdown yesterday , and the pressure in the media which was public backed helped put us here...

Authorities are scared stiff cant see past positive cases.... Scotland no deaths in 28days yet putting more restrictions on areas because more positive results there... more and more restrictions in England but still more positive results but less deaths Wales same! Way it's going have no deaths thousands of positive tests and still be locked down until next year..

FFS....when are people going to wake up?

It's a virus.......so you will not be able to control it! The only thing a government can do is CONTROL it's people....the virus will do what it wants....Whitt's style!

A virus that kills less people than influenza but somehow cripples our economy and takes away most of our freedoms is not controlling us! YOUR GOVERNMENT IS.....unless you choose to exercise your right as a free thinking human being.

Be reckless...NO.....be free...YES!

Well said the trouble is,most of the country are blinded to what you are saying,and will do as the goverment asks! Look further people,before its too late,you are losing your rights,yet stand by just watching!!
And the last statement above is spot on!!

and of course people taking these pictures and loading them online..
followed by ever scaremongering, window twitching old gossip moaning has zero effect ?
it does.. it puts pressure on the government which has been the case from day1... people didnt want rights they wanted a killdown yesterday , and the pressure in the media which was public backed helped put us here...

Authorities are scared stiff cant see past positive cases.... Scotland no deaths in 28days yet putting more restrictions on areas because more positive results there... more and more restrictions in England but still more positive results but less deaths Wales same! Way it's going have no deaths thousands of positive tests and still be locked down until next year..

i agree, but its with the will of the people Allan... just read this board , people talking about masks all the time and having meltdowns every time there is a picture of a beach or pub. and yes hardly any deaths and the previous deaths are extremely dubious..

FFS....when are people going to wake up?

It's a virus.......so you will not be able to control it! The only thing a government can do is CONTROL it's people....the virus will do what it wants....Whitt's style!

A virus that kills less people than influenza but somehow cripples our economy and takes away most of our freedoms is not controlling us! YOUR GOVERNMENT IS.....unless you choose to exercise your right as a free thinking human being.

Be reckless...NO.....be free...YES!

Well said the trouble is,most of the country are blinded to what you are saying,and will do as the goverment asks! Look further people,before its too late,you are losing your rights,yet stand by just watching!!
And the last statement above is spot on!!

and of course people taking these pictures and loading them online..
followed by ever scaremongering, window twitching old gossip moaning has zero effect ?
it does.. it puts pressure on the government which has been the case from day1... people didnt want rights they wanted a killdown yesterday , and the pressure in the media which was public backed helped put us here...

Authorities are scared stiff cant see past positive cases.... Scotland no deaths in 28days yet putting more restrictions on areas because more positive results there... more and more restrictions in England but still more positive results but less deaths Wales same! Way it's going have no deaths thousands of positive tests and still be locked down until next year..

i agree, but its with the will of the people Allan... just read this board , people talking about masks all the time and having meltdowns every time there is a picture of a beach or pub. and yes hardly any deaths and the previous deaths are extremely dubious..

Are they expecting zero deaths and zero infections? Because as I see it they will not lift present restrictions until that is case as there is no halfway measures? I'm lucky this can go on for ever and wont effect me substantially..... but most of the country cannot be restricted for another 6months unless gvmnts want massive unemployment and massive debts.... not forgetting the deaths from untreated medical conditions that will be far worse than covid deaths are now? if only people knew the state that part of the nhs is in .

It amazes me that people think that Covid19 is not at all dangerous, and it is all down to the government taking our rights away. Maybe I should bookmark this page and link to it in the winter. If we do not see a spike in covid deaths then I will say it will be down to the measures that are in place and not because it is all one big conspiracy!

It amazes me that people think that Covid19 is not at all dangerous, and it is all down to the government taking our rights away. Maybe I should bookmark this page and link to it in the winter. If we do not see a spike in covid deaths then I will say it will be down to the measures that are in place and not because it is all one big conspiracy!

Thre is a survival rate of 99.975% so yeah it isn’t that dangerous. Influenza has a higher mortality rate.
And these tests scientists are now saying it’s picking up dead Covid remnants. So figures are not accurate at all.
And a influx of deaths ? Yeah you got that right. But in Cancers and heart diseases mainly that will happen because of the doctors surgeries closing and people having no where to go, or people are to frightened to go because of the fear factor that has been installed in everyone.
Also take in to account the suicide rates will rocket due to people losing jobs, businesses, being locked in thee houses, being stopped hugging there own children or Grandkids. So you are damn right covid will have a high death toll but not from the virus but the virus of politicians and the media who are spreading there fear and lies.
Those that have already died of Pure Covid is very small. The vast majority died not because of covid but with Covid and there is a massive difference.

FFS....when are people going to wake up?

It's a virus.......so you will not be able to control it! The only thing a government can do is CONTROL it's people....the virus will do what it wants....Whitt's style!

A virus that kills less people than influenza but somehow cripples our economy and takes away most of our freedoms is not controlling us! YOUR GOVERNMENT IS.....unless you choose to exercise your right as a free thinking human being.

Be reckless...NO.....be free...YES!

Well said the trouble is,most of the country are blinded to what you are saying,and will do as the goverment asks! Look further people,before its too late,you are losing your rights,yet stand by just watching!!
And the last statement above is spot on!!

and of course people taking these pictures and loading them online..
followed by ever scaremongering, window twitching old gossip moaning has zero effect ?
it does.. it puts pressure on the government which has been the case from day1... people didnt want rights they wanted a killdown yesterday , and the pressure in the media which was public backed helped put us here...

Authorities are scared stiff cant see past positive cases.... Scotland no deaths in 28days yet putting more restrictions on areas because more positive results there... more and more restrictions in England but still more positive results but less deaths Wales same! Way it's going have no deaths thousands of positive tests and still be locked down until next year..

i agree, but its with the will of the people Allan... just read this board , people talking about masks all the time and having meltdowns every time there is a picture of a beach or pub. and yes hardly any deaths and the previous deaths are extremely dubious..

Are they expecting zero deaths and zero infections? Because as I see it they will not lift present restrictions until that is case as there is no halfway measures? I'm lucky this can go on for ever and wont effect me substantially..... but most of the country cannot be restricted for another 6months unless gvmnts want massive unemployment and massive debts.... not forgetting the deaths from untreated medical conditions that will be far worse than covid deaths are now? if only people knew the state that part of the nhs is in .

i was talking to someone yesterday who is giving up his business along with 5 jobs ... 5th generation and 125 years... to say he is on the floor is an understatement.. and on it goes... and it isnt the government Allan, or at least not just the government.. public opinion needs to shift, as does media coverage.. 2nd wave keeps being pushed, and its much more by joe public than you hear it off politicians . of course deaths will increase.. more people die in the winter every year of all sorts.. the problem is they really are not going to have to rise much for another meltdown..

It amazes me that people think that Covid19 is not at all dangerous, and it is all down to the government taking our rights away. Maybe I should bookmark this page and link to it in the winter. If we do not see a spike in covid deaths then I will say it will be down to the measures that are in place and not because it is all one big conspiracy!

what amazes me.... ive watched our NHS be turned into the National Coved Service where EVERYTHING else was then downgraded... my thoughts were not can i survive Covid because it was pretty clear from day 1 the chances of me dying of it were very small. im not 80 and do not have 2 or more existing serious conditions { if i was,i wouldnt leave home } .. .. but can i get through this without needing medical assistance for other things more likely to kill me.. im gobsmacked at how many have shown complete disregard for all the things that kill 1 in every 100 of us each year.. because they are terrified out of their skins by something that kills 1 in 1600.. its completely unreasonable..

FFS....when are people going to wake up?

It's a virus.......so you will not be able to control it! The only thing a government can do is CONTROL it's people....the virus will do what it wants....Whitt's style!

A virus that kills less people than influenza but somehow cripples our economy and takes away most of our freedoms is not controlling us! YOUR GOVERNMENT IS.....unless you choose to exercise your right as a free thinking human being.

Be reckless...NO.....be free...YES!

Well said the trouble is,most of the country are blinded to what you are saying,and will do as the goverment asks! Look further people,before its too late,you are losing your rights,yet stand by just watching!!
And the last statement above is spot on!!

and of course people taking these pictures and loading them online..
followed by ever scaremongering, window twitching old gossip moaning has zero effect ?
it does.. it puts pressure on the government which has been the case from day1... people didnt want rights they wanted a killdown yesterday , and the pressure in the media which was public backed helped put us here...

Authorities are scared stiff cant see past positive cases.... Scotland no deaths in 28days yet putting more restrictions on areas because more positive results there... more and more restrictions in England but still more positive results but less deaths Wales same! Way it's going have no deaths thousands of positive tests and still be locked down until next year..

i agree, but its with the will of the people Allan... just read this board , people talking about masks all the time and having meltdowns every time there is a picture of a beach or pub. and yes hardly any deaths and the previous deaths are extremely dubious..

Are they expecting zero deaths and zero infections? Because as I see it they will not lift present restrictions until that is case as there is no halfway measures? I'm lucky this can go on for ever and wont effect me substantially..... but most of the country cannot be restricted for another 6months unless gvmnts want massive unemployment and massive debts.... not forgetting the deaths from untreated medical conditions that will be far worse than covid deaths are now? if only people knew the state that part of the nhs is in .

i was talking to someone yesterday who is giving up his business along with 5 jobs ... 5th generation and 125 years... to say he is on the floor is an understatement.. and on it goes... and it isnt the government Allan, or at least not just the government.. public opinion needs to shift, as does media coverage.. 2nd wave keeps being pushed, and its much more by joe public than you hear it off politicians . of course deaths will increase.. more people die in the winter every year of all sorts.. the problem is they really are not going to have to rise much for another meltdown..

Welsh health spokesman this morning basically said we should go to work then go home and stay there because socialising is causing rise in positive covid tests and 2nd wave is on it's way ! ........ scary thing is they've closed the field hospitals knowing there is 2nd wave coming? So folks do as they say and dont socialize until as he says a vaccine is in place? A vaccine the W.H.O says may be available middle next year "MAYBE" anyone think joe public is going to stay at home another 8 months on the half chance a vaccine is found?
Yes more positive results mean greater chance of people dying but can people seriously keep a distance for another 8 months or more as that is what he wants! if thats case any large event like football/ theatre are doomed to close along with lot of other venues that rely on footfall for income ......

FFS....when are people going to wake up?

It's a virus.......so you will not be able to control it! The only thing a government can do is CONTROL it's people....the virus will do what it wants....Whitt's style!

A virus that kills less people than influenza but somehow cripples our economy and takes away most of our freedoms is not controlling us! YOUR GOVERNMENT IS.....unless you choose to exercise your right as a free thinking human being.

Be reckless...NO.....be free...YES!

Well said the trouble is,most of the country are blinded to what you are saying,and will do as the goverment asks! Look further people,before its too late,you are losing your rights,yet stand by just watching!!
And the last statement above is spot on!!

and of course people taking these pictures and loading them online..
followed by ever scaremongering, window twitching old gossip moaning has zero effect ?
it does.. it puts pressure on the government which has been the case from day1... people didnt want rights they wanted a killdown yesterday , and the pressure in the media which was public backed helped put us here...

Authorities are scared stiff cant see past positive cases.... Scotland no deaths in 28days yet putting more restrictions on areas because more positive results there... more and more restrictions in England but still more positive results but less deaths Wales same! Way it's going have no deaths thousands of positive tests and still be locked down until next year..

i agree, but its with the will of the people Allan... just read this board , people talking about masks all the time and having meltdowns every time there is a picture of a beach or pub. and yes hardly any deaths and the previous deaths are extremely dubious..

Are they expecting zero deaths and zero infections? Because as I see it they will not lift present restrictions until that is case as there is no halfway measures? I'm lucky this can go on for ever and wont effect me substantially..... but most of the country cannot be restricted for another 6months unless gvmnts want massive unemployment and massive debts.... not forgetting the deaths from untreated medical conditions that will be far worse than covid deaths are now? if only people knew the state that part of the nhs is in .

i was talking to someone yesterday who is giving up his business along with 5 jobs ... 5th generation and 125 years... to say he is on the floor is an understatement.. and on it goes... and it isnt the government Allan, or at least not just the government.. public opinion needs to shift, as does media coverage.. 2nd wave keeps being pushed, and its much more by joe public than you hear it off politicians . of course deaths will increase.. more people die in the winter every year of all sorts.. the problem is they really are not going to have to rise much for another meltdown..

Welsh health spokesman this morning basically said we should go to work then go home and stay there because socialising is causing rise in positive covid tests and 2nd wave is on it's way ! ........ scary thing is they've closed the field hospitals knowing there is 2nd wave coming? So folks do as they say and dont socialize until as he says a vaccine is in place? A vaccine the W.H.O says may be available middle next year "MAYBE" anyone think joe public is going to stay at home another 8 months on the half chance a vaccine is found?
Yes more positive results mean greater chance of people dying but can people seriously keep a distance for another 8 months or more as that is what he wants! if thats case any large event like football/ theatre are doomed to close along with lot of other venues that rely on footfall for income ......

fed up hearing the word vacine too.... its if...when...and how effective...
there is a Flu vacine.... and we still have far more Flu cases { ill people that go to the doctor } than the lets ramp up the testing to knock the figures up virus will ever muster

It amazes me that people think that Covid19 is not at all dangerous, and it is all down to the government taking our rights away. Maybe I should bookmark this page and link to it in the winter. If we do not see a spike in covid deaths then I will say it will be down to the measures that are in place and not because it is all one big conspiracy!

Thre is a survival rate of 99.975% so yeah it isn’t that dangerous. Influenza has a higher mortality rate.
And these tests scientists are now saying it’s picking up dead Covid remnants. So figures are not accurate at all.
And a influx of deaths ? Yeah you got that right. But in Cancers and heart diseases mainly that will happen because of the doctors surgeries closing and people having no where to go, or people are to frightened to go because of the fear factor that has been installed in everyone.
Also take in to account the suicide rates will rocket due to people losing jobs, businesses, being locked in thee houses, being stopped hugging there own children or Grandkids. So you are damn right covid will have a high death toll but not from the virus but the virus of politicians and the media who are spreading there fear and lies.
Those that have already died of Pure Covid is very small. The vast majority died not because of covid but with Covid and there is a massive difference.

We don’t know the true Covid-19 survival rate yet

Claim

The survival rate for Covid-19 is 98.54% in the UK.
Conclusion

We don’t know what the survival rate is yet, as we don’t know how many people have had the disease. This figure comes from a claim about the US which is a slight over-estimate based on available figures.

There have been a large number of Facebook posts claiming that the “current survival rate” for Covid-19 is 98.54% in the UK. These posts have been shared over 14,000 times.

This is wrong. The figure seems to come from a Facebook post that made the same claim about the US survival rate back in April.

But we don’t yet know the true survival rate there or in the UK, as we don’t have a good idea of how many people have had Covid-19. There’s a lot we don’t know about the exact death toll either

Fact checkers in the US have reported on the 98.54% claim. It is actually an over-estimate of how many people have had a confirmed case of Covid-19 and have not died at this time. But describing that as the “survival rate” has problems.

calculate this by looking at the case fatality rate, which is the percentage of deaths in patients who had the disease out of the number of confirmed cases. In the US, it’s currently at roughly 6%, meaning around 94% of those who’ve had confirmed cases so far have not died. As other fact checkers have pointed out, although a rate of survival around 95% sounds high, this would still make Covid-19 more lethal than seasonal flu.

In the UK, at the time of writing, there have been 246,406 confirmed cases of Covid-19. There have been 34,796 Covid-19 associated deaths, meaning people who died having had a positive test result for Covid-19. From this, the case fatality rate in the UK is around 14%, meaning 86% have “survived”. This shouldn’t be directly compared with the figure for the US above, due to major differences between how widespread testing is.

But this figure can’t be considered a ‘survival rate’ as we don’t know how many of those who have tested positive have fully recovered, how many are still ill, and how many might still die in the future.

The “true” survival rate at the moment will be higher than any figure derived from the case fatality rate, as this is based on cases confirmed by testing, and not everyone who has had the virus will have been tested.

This article is part of work fact checking potentially false pictures, videos and stories on Facebook. Y

It amazes me that people think that Covid19 is not at all dangerous, and it is all down to the government taking our rights away. Maybe I should bookmark this page and link to it in the winter. If we do not see a spike in covid deaths then I will say it will be down to the measures that are in place and not because it is all one big conspiracy!

Thre is a survival rate of 99.975% so yeah it isn’t that dangerous. Influenza has a higher mortality rate.
And these tests scientists are now saying it’s picking up dead Covid remnants. So figures are not accurate at all.
And a influx of deaths ? Yeah you got that right. But in Cancers and heart diseases mainly that will happen because of the doctors surgeries closing and people having no where to go, or people are to frightened to go because of the fear factor that has been installed in everyone.
Also take in to account the suicide rates will rocket due to people losing jobs, businesses, being locked in thee houses, being stopped hugging there own children or Grandkids. So you are damn right covid will have a high death toll but not from the virus but the virus of politicians and the media who are spreading there fear and lies.
Those that have already died of Pure Covid is very small. The vast majority died not because of covid but with Covid and there is a massive difference.

We don’t know the true Covid-19 survival rate yet

Claim

The survival rate for Covid-19 is 98.54% in the UK.
Conclusion

We don’t know what the survival rate is yet, as we don’t know how many people have had the disease. This figure comes from a claim about the US which is a slight over-estimate based on available figures.

There have been a large number of Facebook posts claiming that the “current survival rate” for Covid-19 is 98.54% in the UK. These posts have been shared over 14,000 times.

This is wrong. The figure seems to come from a Facebook post that made the same claim about the US survival rate back in April.

But we don’t yet know the true survival rate there or in the UK, as we don’t have a good idea of how many people have had Covid-19. There’s a lot we don’t know about the exact death toll either

Fact checkers in the US have reported on the 98.54% claim. It is actually an over-estimate of how many people have had a confirmed case of Covid-19 and have not died at this time. But describing that as the “survival rate” has problems.

calculate this by looking at the case fatality rate, which is the percentage of deaths in patients who had the disease out of the number of confirmed cases. In the US, it’s currently at roughly 6%, meaning around 94% of those who’ve had confirmed cases so far have not died. As other fact checkers have pointed out, although a rate of survival around 95% sounds high, this would still make Covid-19 more lethal than seasonal flu.

In the UK, at the time of writing, there have been 246,406 confirmed cases of Covid-19. There have been 34,796 Covid-19 associated deaths, meaning people who died having had a positive test result for Covid-19. From this, the case fatality rate in the UK is around 14%, meaning 86% have “survived”. This shouldn’t be directly compared with the figure for the US above, due to major differences between how widespread testing is.

But this figure can’t be considered a ‘survival rate’ as we don’t know how many of those who have tested positive have fully recovered, how many are still ill, and how many might still die in the future.

The “true” survival rate at the moment will be higher than any figure derived from the case fatality rate, as this is based on cases confirmed by testing, and not everyone who has had the virus will have been tested.

This article is part of work fact checking potentially false pictures, videos and stories on Facebook. Y

dont get the obsession with survival rates of people who have had the virus..... its a number no one will ever accurately know as no one will ever know how many people have had covid , the majority have it mildly or are asymptomatic , do not seek medical assistance ,are not tested and therefore are not counted.... estimates and guesses differ widely all we do know is its killed 1 in 1600 people in the UK.. which is about 7% of people who would normally die in a year... so instead of your chances of dying being roughly 1% this year its now 1.07% and thats only assuming that every covid death is of a person that would not have died anyway which is extremely unlikely looking at the statistics of those that have died...
will add, not everyone that thinks there has been a massive over reaction thinks its a conspiracy...far from it..

FFS....when are people going to wake up?

It's a virus.......so you will not be able to control it! The only thing a government can do is CONTROL it's people....the virus will do what it wants....Whitt's style!

A virus that kills less people than influenza but somehow cripples our economy and takes away most of our freedoms is not controlling us! YOUR GOVERNMENT IS.....unless you choose to exercise your right as a free thinking human being.

Be reckless...NO.....be free...YES!

Well said the trouble is,most of the country are blinded to what you are saying,and will do as the goverment asks! Look further people,before its too late,you are losing your rights,yet stand by just watching!!
And the last statement above is spot on!!

and of course people taking these pictures and loading them online..
followed by ever scaremongering, window twitching old gossip moaning has zero effect ?
it does.. it puts pressure on the government which has been the case from day1... people didnt want rights they wanted a killdown yesterday , and the pressure in the media which was public backed helped put us here...

Authorities are scared stiff cant see past positive cases.... Scotland no deaths in 28days yet putting more restrictions on areas because more positive results there... more and more restrictions in England but still more positive results but less deaths Wales same! Way it's going have no deaths thousands of positive tests and still be locked down until next year..

i agree, but its with the will of the people Allan... just read this board , people talking about masks all the time and having meltdowns every time there is a picture of a beach or pub. and yes hardly any deaths and the previous deaths are extremely dubious..

Are they expecting zero deaths and zero infections? Because as I see it they will not lift present restrictions until that is case as there is no halfway measures? I'm lucky this can go on for ever and wont effect me substantially..... but most of the country cannot be restricted for another 6months unless gvmnts want massive unemployment and massive debts.... not forgetting the deaths from untreated medical conditions that will be far worse than covid deaths are now? if only people knew the state that part of the nhs is in .

i was talking to someone yesterday who is giving up his business along with 5 jobs ... 5th generation and 125 years... to say he is on the floor is an understatement.. and on it goes... and it isnt the government Allan, or at least not just the government.. public opinion needs to shift, as does media coverage.. 2nd wave keeps being pushed, and its much more by joe public than you hear it off politicians . of course deaths will increase.. more people die in the winter every year of all sorts.. the problem is they really are not going to have to rise much for another meltdown..

Welsh health spokesman this morning basically said we should go to work then go home and stay there because socialising is causing rise in positive covid tests and 2nd wave is on it's way ! ........ scary thing is they've closed the field hospitals knowing there is 2nd wave coming? So folks do as they say and dont socialize until as he says a vaccine is in place? A vaccine the W.H.O says may be available middle next year "MAYBE" anyone think joe public is going to stay at home another 8 months on the half chance a vaccine is found?
Yes more positive results mean greater chance of people dying but can people seriously keep a distance for another 8 months or more as that is what he wants! if thats case any large event like football/ theatre are doomed to close along with lot of other venues that rely on footfall for income ......

fed up hearing the word vacine too.... its if...when...and how effective...
there is a Flu vacine.... and we still have far more Flu cases { ill people that go to the doctor } than the lets ramp up the testing to knock the figures up virus will ever muster

They are 2nd guessing that with more positive tests there will be more deaths but despite weeks of rising covid cases that as not materialised? So in effect can go next 6months with covid cases rising but no rise in deaths and lockdown being ineffective in stopping cases going up? Can the country withstand being locked down that long..... then you will get drakeford saying we were playing safe ...

It amazes me that people think that Covid19 is not at all dangerous, and it is all down to the government taking our rights away. Maybe I should bookmark this page and link to it in the winter. If we do not see a spike in covid deaths then I will say it will be down to the measures that are in place and not because it is all one big conspiracy!

Thre is a survival rate of 99.975% so yeah it isn’t that dangerous. Influenza has a higher mortality rate.
And these tests scientists are now saying it’s picking up dead Covid remnants. So figures are not accurate at all.
And a influx of deaths ? Yeah you got that right. But in Cancers and heart diseases mainly that will happen because of the doctors surgeries closing and people having no where to go, or people are to frightened to go because of the fear factor that has been installed in everyone.
Also take in to account the suicide rates will rocket due to people losing jobs, businesses, being locked in thee houses, being stopped hugging there own children or Grandkids. So you are damn right covid will have a high death toll but not from the virus but the virus of politicians and the media who are spreading there fear and lies.
Those that have already died of Pure Covid is very small. The vast majority died not because of covid but with Covid and there is a massive difference.

We don’t know the true Covid-19 survival rate yet

Claim

The survival rate for Covid-19 is 98.54% in the UK.
Conclusion

We don’t know what the survival rate is yet, as we don’t know how many people have had the disease. This figure comes from a claim about the US which is a slight over-estimate based on available figures.

There have been a large number of Facebook posts claiming that the “current survival rate” for Covid-19 is 98.54% in the UK. These posts have been shared over 14,000 times.

This is wrong. The figure seems to come from a Facebook post that made the same claim about the US survival rate back in April.

But we don’t yet know the true survival rate there or in the UK, as we don’t have a good idea of how many people have had Covid-19. There’s a lot we don’t know about the exact death toll either

Fact checkers in the US have reported on the 98.54% claim. It is actually an over-estimate of how many people have had a confirmed case of Covid-19 and have not died at this time. But describing that as the “survival rate” has problems.

calculate this by looking at the case fatality rate, which is the percentage of deaths in patients who had the disease out of the number of confirmed cases. In the US, it’s currently at roughly 6%, meaning around 94% of those who’ve had confirmed cases so far have not died. As other fact checkers have pointed out, although a rate of survival around 95% sounds high, this would still make Covid-19 more lethal than seasonal flu.

In the UK, at the time of writing, there have been 246,406 confirmed cases of Covid-19. There have been 34,796 Covid-19 associated deaths, meaning people who died having had a positive test result for Covid-19. From this, the case fatality rate in the UK is around 14%, meaning 86% have “survived”. This shouldn’t be directly compared with the figure for the US above, due to major differences between how widespread testing is.

But this figure can’t be considered a ‘survival rate’ as we don’t know how many of those who have tested positive have fully recovered, how many are still ill, and how many might still die in the future.

The “true” survival rate at the moment will be higher than any figure derived from the case fatality rate, as this is based on cases confirmed by testing, and not everyone who has had the virus will have been tested.

This article is part of work fact checking potentially false pictures, videos and stories on Facebook. Y

dont get the obsession with survival rates of people who have had the virus..... its a number no one will ever accurately know as no one will ever know how many people have had covid , the majority have it mildly or are asymptomatic , do not seek medical assistance ,are not tested and therefore are not counted.... estimates and guesses differ widely all we do know is its killed 1 in 1600 people in the UK.. which is about 7% of people who would normally die in a year... so instead of your chances of dying being roughly 1% this year its now 1.07% and thats only assuming that every covid death is of a person that would not have died anyway which is extremely unlikely looking at the statistics of those that have died...
will add, not everyone that thinks there has been a massive over reaction thinks its a conspiracy...far from it..

What I will say is this, if someone has a health problem, as an example diabetes and it is not life threatening and they catch Covid19 and die, then it is Covid19 that kills them not diabetes

It amazes me that people think that Covid19 is not at all dangerous, and it is all down to the government taking our rights away. Maybe I should bookmark this page and link to it in the winter. If we do not see a spike in covid deaths then I will say it will be down to the measures that are in place and not because it is all one big conspiracy!

Thre is a survival rate of 99.975% so yeah it isn’t that dangerous. Influenza has a higher mortality rate.
And these tests scientists are now saying it’s picking up dead Covid remnants. So figures are not accurate at all.
And a influx of deaths ? Yeah you got that right. But in Cancers and heart diseases mainly that will happen because of the doctors surgeries closing and people having no where to go, or people are to frightened to go because of the fear factor that has been installed in everyone.
Also take in to account the suicide rates will rocket due to people losing jobs, businesses, being locked in thee houses, being stopped hugging there own children or Grandkids. So you are damn right covid will have a high death toll but not from the virus but the virus of politicians and the media who are spreading there fear and lies.
Those that have already died of Pure Covid is very small. The vast majority died not because of covid but with Covid and there is a massive difference.

We don’t know the true Covid-19 survival rate yet

Claim

The survival rate for Covid-19 is 98.54% in the UK.
Conclusion

We don’t know what the survival rate is yet, as we don’t know how many people have had the disease. This figure comes from a claim about the US which is a slight over-estimate based on available figures.

There have been a large number of Facebook posts claiming that the “current survival rate” for Covid-19 is 98.54% in the UK. These posts have been shared over 14,000 times.

This is wrong. The figure seems to come from a Facebook post that made the same claim about the US survival rate back in April.

But we don’t yet know the true survival rate there or in the UK, as we don’t have a good idea of how many people have had Covid-19. There’s a lot we don’t know about the exact death toll either

Fact checkers in the US have reported on the 98.54% claim. It is actually an over-estimate of how many people have had a confirmed case of Covid-19 and have not died at this time. But describing that as the “survival rate” has problems.

calculate this by looking at the case fatality rate, which is the percentage of deaths in patients who had the disease out of the number of confirmed cases. In the US, it’s currently at roughly 6%, meaning around 94% of those who’ve had confirmed cases so far have not died. As other fact checkers have pointed out, although a rate of survival around 95% sounds high, this would still make Covid-19 more lethal than seasonal flu.

In the UK, at the time of writing, there have been 246,406 confirmed cases of Covid-19. There have been 34,796 Covid-19 associated deaths, meaning people who died having had a positive test result for Covid-19. From this, the case fatality rate in the UK is around 14%, meaning 86% have “survived”. This shouldn’t be directly compared with the figure for the US above, due to major differences between how widespread testing is.

But this figure can’t be considered a ‘survival rate’ as we don’t know how many of those who have tested positive have fully recovered, how many are still ill, and how many might still die in the future.

The “true” survival rate at the moment will be higher than any figure derived from the case fatality rate, as this is based on cases confirmed by testing, and not everyone who has had the virus will have been tested.

This article is part of work fact checking potentially false pictures, videos and stories on Facebook. Y

dont get the obsession with survival rates of people who have had the virus..... its a number no one will ever accurately know as no one will ever know how many people have had covid , the majority have it mildly or are asymptomatic , do not seek medical assistance ,are not tested and therefore are not counted.... estimates and guesses differ widely all we do know is its killed 1 in 1600 people in the UK.. which is about 7% of people who would normally die in a year... so instead of your chances of dying being roughly 1% this year its now 1.07% and thats only assuming that every covid death is of a person that would not have died anyway which is extremely unlikely looking at the statistics of those that have died...
will add, not everyone that thinks there has been a massive over reaction thinks its a conspiracy...far from it..

What I will say is this, if someone has a health problem, as an example diabetes and it is not life threatening and they catch Covid19 and die, then it is Covid19 that kills them not diabetes

and there you have it... people { not just you } are quite happy to skim over and dismiss a major cause of death.. but be unreasonably scared of something that just isnt anywhere near as deadly..

The county borough of Caerphilly is to be placed under a local lockdown from 18:00 BST on Tuesday after a rise in coronavirus cases.

People will not be able to leave or enter the borough without good reason, the Welsh Government said.

Face masks will be required for everyone over 11 in shops and people will not be able to meet indoors.

There have been 133 new Covid-19 cases in Caerphilly county in the last seven days.

Coronavirus: Five Cardiff bars warned over social distancing measures

Five bars in Cardiff city centre have been ordered to improve the way they operate in order to comply with social distancing guidance.

It follows "concern" raised by health officials about a video which showed crowds of clubbers appearing to ignore guidelines at Coyote Ugly bar.

Cardiff council said Coyote Ugly, along with Peppermint, Mocka Lounge, Rum and Fizz, and Gin and Juice had 48 hours to make changes.

They could otherwise face closure.

"It is the responsibility of businesses to ensure that social distancing is maintained and their premises can be used in a way that is safe for customers and staff and minimises the potential for Covid-19 to spread," said the council's cabinet member for environment, Michael Michael.

"Ensuring the city centre is safe to visit is a priority and scenes like those seen on St Mary Street at the weekend are simply unacceptable.

"Businesses should be in no doubt that we will take action against any premises that aren't operating in a safe manner.

"Officers will be returning to the businesses issued with improvement notices, and visiting others across the city, and will not hesitate to issue closure notices if needed."

It amazes me that people think that Covid19 is not at all dangerous, and it is all down to the government taking our rights away. Maybe I should bookmark this page and link to it in the winter. If we do not see a spike in covid deaths then I will say it will be down to the measures that are in place and not because it is all one big conspiracy!

Thre is a survival rate of 99.975% so yeah it isn’t that dangerous. Influenza has a higher mortality rate.
And these tests scientists are now saying it’s picking up dead Covid remnants. So figures are not accurate at all.
And a influx of deaths ? Yeah you got that right. But in Cancers and heart diseases mainly that will happen because of the doctors surgeries closing and people having no where to go, or people are to frightened to go because of the fear factor that has been installed in everyone.
Also take in to account the suicide rates will rocket due to people losing jobs, businesses, being locked in thee houses, being stopped hugging there own children or Grandkids. So you are damn right covid will have a high death toll but not from the virus but the virus of politicians and the media who are spreading there fear and lies.
Those that have already died of Pure Covid is very small. The vast majority died not because of covid but with Covid and there is a massive difference.

We don’t know the true Covid-19 survival rate yet

Claim

The survival rate for Covid-19 is 98.54% in the UK.
Conclusion

We don’t know what the survival rate is yet, as we don’t know how many people have had the disease. This figure comes from a claim about the US which is a slight over-estimate based on available figures.

There have been a large number of Facebook posts claiming that the “current survival rate” for Covid-19 is 98.54% in the UK. These posts have been shared over 14,000 times.

This is wrong. The figure seems to come from a Facebook post that made the same claim about the US survival rate back in April.

But we don’t yet know the true survival rate there or in the UK, as we don’t have a good idea of how many people have had Covid-19. There’s a lot we don’t know about the exact death toll either

Fact checkers in the US have reported on the 98.54% claim. It is actually an over-estimate of how many people have had a confirmed case of Covid-19 and have not died at this time. But describing that as the “survival rate” has problems.

calculate this by looking at the case fatality rate, which is the percentage of deaths in patients who had the disease out of the number of confirmed cases. In the US, it’s currently at roughly 6%, meaning around 94% of those who’ve had confirmed cases so far have not died. As other fact checkers have pointed out, although a rate of survival around 95% sounds high, this would still make Covid-19 more lethal than seasonal flu.

In the UK, at the time of writing, there have been 246,406 confirmed cases of Covid-19. There have been 34,796 Covid-19 associated deaths, meaning people who died having had a positive test result for Covid-19. From this, the case fatality rate in the UK is around 14%, meaning 86% have “survived”. This shouldn’t be directly compared with the figure for the US above, due to major differences between how widespread testing is.

But this figure can’t be considered a ‘survival rate’ as we don’t know how many of those who have tested positive have fully recovered, how many are still ill, and how many might still die in the future.

The “true” survival rate at the moment will be higher than any figure derived from the case fatality rate, as this is based on cases confirmed by testing, and not everyone who has had the virus will have been tested.

This article is part of work fact checking potentially false pictures, videos and stories on Facebook. Y

dont get the obsession with survival rates of people who have had the virus..... its a number no one will ever accurately know as no one will ever know how many people have had covid , the majority have it mildly or are asymptomatic , do not seek medical assistance ,are not tested and therefore are not counted.... estimates and guesses differ widely all we do know is its killed 1 in 1600 people in the UK.. which is about 7% of people who would normally die in a year... so instead of your chances of dying being roughly 1% this year its now 1.07% and thats only assuming that every covid death is of a person that would not have died anyway which is extremely unlikely looking at the statistics of those that have died...
will add, not everyone that thinks there has been a massive over reaction thinks its a conspiracy...far from it..

What I will say is this, if someone has a health problem, as an example diabetes and it is not life threatening and they catch Covid19 and die, then it is Covid19 that kills them not diabetes

Trouble is we've no idea how many have died with diabetes or any other ailment ? As all deaths seem to be covid related and nothing else