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Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:25 pm
BBC Wales
Sunday 30th August 2020
Coronavirus: Cases on Tui flight from Zante to Cardiff
The passengers arrived in Cardiff from the Greek island of Zante on Tuesday
Greece is expected to be put back on UK 14 day quarantine list.
All passengers who were on a flight to Wales from a Greek island have been told to self-isolate after some on board tested positive for coronavirus.
Health officials say seven people from three different parties on Tui flight 6215 from Zante to Cardiff on Tuesday have tested positive for Covid-19.
Public Health Wales (PHW) is now contacting the rest of the passengers.
It comes as a group of people from Plymouth tested positive for the virus after returning from Zante on Monday.
"Cardiff and Vale test, trace, protect and Public Health Wales have identified at least seven confirmed cases of Covid-19 from three different parties who were infectious on Tui flight 6215 from Zante to Cardiff on 25 August," said Giri Shankar of PHW.
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"As a result, we are advising that all passengers on this flight are considered close contacts and must self-isolate."
"These passengers will be contacted shortly, but meanwhile, they must self-isolate at home as they may become infectious, even without developing symptoms."
Dr Shankar, PHW's Covid-19 incident director, said "anyone with symptoms should book a test without delay".
While no new deaths with coronavirus were reported in Wales on Sunday, 56 cases have been confirmed by PHW.
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:32 pm
I thought that wearing masks on flights was supposed to prevent this happening?
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:55 pm
davids wrote:I thought that wearing masks on flights was supposed to prevent this happening?
masks dont work...
Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:01 pm
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Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:08 pm
skidemin wrote:davids wrote:I thought that wearing masks on flights was supposed to prevent this happening?
masks dont work...
Lots of people terrified of catching the disease and dying (and the UK government) obviously think they do.
How would they explain this incident I wonder because I have absolutely no doubt that every single person on that plane would have had to wear a face mask for the whole of the flight and at both airports.
Is Cardiff Airport now closed? Has it been deep cleansed as a result of having known Covid infected persons passing through it?
I bet Drakeford is now giving serious consideration to placing Cardiff under total lockdown immediately to keep us all "safe" again?
Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:10 pm
jimmy_rat wrote:.
god i wish people would research stuff like this instead of just reading a headline and then ramping up their fear levels a few notches...
Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:23 pm
skidemin wrote:jimmy_rat wrote:.
god i wish people would research stuff like this instead of just reading a headline and then ramping up their fear levels a few notches...
But Piers Morgan says so...
Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:05 pm
Zante is the problem other week people from Plymouth came back with corvid! Nothing to do with masks on plane....Why the fvk are people going abroad safest place is home..
Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:07 pm
jimmy_rat wrote:skidemin wrote:jimmy_rat wrote:.
god i wish people would research stuff like this instead of just reading a headline and then ramping up their fear levels a few notches...
But Piers Morgan says so...
numero uno scaremonger Morgan... false claim after false claim with an army of gullible fans..
Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:39 pm
davids wrote:I thought that wearing masks on flights was supposed to prevent this happening?
1/ Masks do not stop you get any virus
2/ If you buy there expensive shit food on planes you don’t have to wear masks then. So even if they believe it stops covid obviously you can’t pass it on or get it whilst eating
It’s all bullshit
Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:08 am
The answer should be blindingly obvious.Masks can work but only protect against airborne germs.The advice to wash your hands religiously is ignored by many and one of the standout particulars about Covid is its ability to survive on many surfaces longer than a normal virus.
Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:16 am
Sneggyblubird wrote:The answer should be blindingly obvious.Masks can work but only protect against airborne germs.The advice to wash your hands religiously is ignored by many and one of the standout particulars about Covid is its ability to survive on many surfaces longer than a normal virus.
Masks only work if changed every 2 - 3 hours and there is also a specific way to take the mask off to make it effective. You can bet that 99% of people wearing these masks are not doing this.
Info from my son and his Mrs (Registrar Doctor & senior pharmacist in hospital).
Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:52 am
Apparently not all people were wearing masks at all times and even taking them off once the flight has taken off or when it came into land etc. Also people are touching seats as they walk down the isle etc. It’s a sealed environment for a few hours with some of the same air circulating (as far as I know). Why anyone would want to get on a flight and go abroad on holiday at the moment amazes me. I understand if people have family abroad and haven’t seen them for a year or more but otherwise it seems a little dangerous. Masks are used and have been used for decades in healthcare by professionals to minimise the risks of catching and passing on viruses etc. There is good evidence supporting the fact they work however they won’t prevent 100% of the time - for example it may cut down 60% of cases for example. It depends how long you are with another person, the ventilation of air and hand hygiene. I’ve seen so many times over the last few months things that are just a no go in terms of transmission that it is no wonder that the virus spreads. An example could be 2 families meeting in a garden. Socially distanced. But by the end of the meeting they have relaxed abit and are handling the same things as the others family. Coming closer to each other. People relax and that’s the problem. It’s important that people take the virus seriously otherwise we will never get out of this mess. I’m not aging people should be scared - but just very cautious. If people follow the correct guidance it will significantly reduce the virus spreading. What worries me now if that people on this flight have now been mixing with others for days - god knows how many other people have now got this virus - just because 1. They decided they needed a holiday abroad - 2. Some people relaxed and didn’t follow the guidance. They should fine people for taking they’re masks off as it puts other in danger. I’ve been told masks will only last and work for a short period of time - more like under 20 mins.
Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:58 am
I hope this is a warning for anyone wanting to disregards the rules. A warning in terms of how real this.
Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:27 am
Am I the only one who thinks we are getting mugged off here?
How the hell is a virus that kills less people than influenza did in the winter of 2019 dictating our lives?
I'm not saying COVID19 doesn't exist, but FFS we need to get a grip of reality and not what Piers or the BBC try to dictate to us. I reckon there is a cork on the bottle at the mo but it will only take a freaky incident for that cork to pop. Then all hell will be let loose.
Don't be reckless but please try and enjoy the freedom that you are entitled to as a free spirit human being.
Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:35 am
davids wrote:I thought that wearing masks on flights was supposed to prevent this happening?
My gran died in a car crash. I thought seatbelts were supposed to prevent that happening?
Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:58 pm
TheHangedMan wrote:Am I the only one who thinks we are getting mugged off here?
How the hell is a virus that kills less people than influenza did in the winter of 2019 dictating our lives?
I'm not saying COVID19 doesn't exist, but FFS we need to get a grip of reality and not what Piers or the BBC try to dictate to us. I reckon there is a cork on the bottle at the mo but it will only take a freaky incident for that cork to pop. Then all hell will be let loose.
Don't be reckless but please try and enjoy the freedom that you are entitled to as a free spirit human being.

Spot on mate.
I'm here having a lovely holiday in Portugal. Things virtually normal here. Gorgeous beaches, bars, restaurants all open normally.
Yet some say dont travel stay 'safe' at home ffs.
Some probably still want lockdown.
For me just be sensible and get on with your life and dont believe all the over reaction over this 'flu' epidemic.
Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:17 pm
TheHangedMan wrote:Am I the only one who thinks we are getting mugged off here?
How the hell is a virus that kills less people than influenza did in the winter of 2019 dictating our lives?
I'm not saying COVID19 doesn't exist, but FFS we need to get a grip of reality and not what Piers or the BBC try to dictate to us. I reckon there is a cork on the bottle at the mo but it will only take a freaky incident for that cork to pop. Then all hell will be let loose.
Don't be reckless but please try and enjoy the freedom that you are entitled to as a free spirit human being.

the definition of reckless has changed mate.. and ive noticed people seem to have their very own contradictory ideas of what is ok and not...
Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:22 pm
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:The answer should be blindingly obvious.Masks can work but only protect against airborne germs.The advice to wash your hands religiously is ignored by many and one of the standout particulars about Covid is its ability to survive on many surfaces longer than a normal virus.
Masks only work if changed every 2 - 3 hours and there is also a specific way to take the mask off to make it effective. You can bet that 99% of people wearing these masks are not doing this.
Info from my son and his Mrs (Registrar Doctor & senior pharmacist in hospital).
And next week they will be something totally different to suit whatever BS that you're spouting.
Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:04 pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53970217Its not where you go, it's how you behave when you're there. At home or on holiday. Sad fact is those minded to travel to Zante in the current environment are likely to behave in a manner to catch and spread the virus. And if you don't pick it up there, three hours in a plane with others of a like mind won't help.
Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:24 pm
Around 200 in total on that flight .
Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:32 pm
Welshman in CA wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:The answer should be blindingly obvious.Masks can work but only protect against airborne germs.The advice to wash your hands religiously is ignored by many and one of the standout particulars about Covid is its ability to survive on many surfaces longer than a normal virus.
Masks only work if changed every 2 - 3 hours and there is also a specific way to take the mask off to make it effective. You can bet that 99% of people wearing these masks are not doing this.
Info from my son and his Mrs (Registrar Doctor & senior pharmacist in hospital).
And next week they will be something totally different to suit whatever BS that you're spouting.
It’s not BS pal, it was guidance given to them as hospital workers.
Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:36 pm
Once a blue always a blue44 wrote:Apparently not all people were wearing masks at all times and even taking them off once the flight has taken off or when it came into land etc. Also people are touching seats as they walk down the isle etc. It’s a sealed environment for a few hours with some of the same air circulating (as far as I know). Why anyone would want to get on a flight and go abroad on holiday at the moment amazes me. I understand if people have family abroad and haven’t seen them for a year or more but otherwise it seems a little dangerous. Masks are used and have been used for decades in healthcare by professionals to minimise the risks of catching and passing on viruses etc. There is good evidence supporting the fact they work however they won’t prevent 100% of the time - for example it may cut down 60% of cases for example. It depends how long you are with another person, the ventilation of air and hand hygiene. I’ve seen so many times over the last few months things that are just a no go in terms of transmission that it is no wonder that the virus spreads. An example could be 2 families meeting in a garden. Socially distanced. But by the end of the meeting they have relaxed abit and are handling the same things as the others family. Coming closer to each other. People relax and that’s the problem. It’s important that people take the virus seriously otherwise we will never get out of this mess. I’m not aging people should be scared - but just very cautious. If people follow the correct guidance it will significantly reduce the virus spreading. What worries me now if that people on this flight have now been mixing with others for days - god knows how many other people have now got this virus - just because 1. They decided they needed a holiday abroad - 2. Some people relaxed and didn’t follow the guidance. They should fine people for taking they’re masks off as it puts other in danger. I’ve been told masks will only last and work for a short period of time - more like under 20 mins.
Air gets circulated and any airborne contamination is filtered out. The air you breath on a plane is the safest you can breath. And no my life doesn’t stop because of a virus that kills next to no one
Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:23 pm
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Welshman in CA wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:The answer should be blindingly obvious.Masks can work but only protect against airborne germs.The advice to wash your hands religiously is ignored by many and one of the standout particulars about Covid is its ability to survive on many surfaces longer than a normal virus.
Masks only work if changed every 2 - 3 hours and there is also a specific way to take the mask off to make it effective. You can bet that 99% of people wearing these masks are not doing this.
Info from my son and his Mrs (Registrar Doctor & senior pharmacist in hospital).
And next week they will be something totally different to suit whatever BS that you're spouting.
It’s not BS pal, it was guidance given to them as hospital workers.
The truth about theatre staff wearing a mask,is more for the protection of the patient,to lower the risk of infection entering the wound.as a person with a serious transferable disease is not likely to be in theatre,and on the odd occasion that they are,further precautions are taken,for the protecting of theatre staff.
Wouldn't let him bother you tbh,you know what you have been told,trust what they say,as it is true,without Regular changing,the mask becomes less and less effective,even dangerous to the wearer.
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:10 am
Funny how story comes out a week after come back ... as was said no one complained about passengers not wearing masks to staff at the time.... how come 16 were positive are they only ones who got tested? Same last week
in Plymouth came from same place 19 positive then what as happened to the other couple hundred people on flights?
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:17 am
Who said anything different about people in an operating theater, certainly not me. Of course it's to protect the patient, nobody has said anything to the contrary that I know of.
Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:26 am
pembroke allan wrote:Funny how story comes out a week after come back ... as was said no one complained about passengers not wearing masks to staff at the time.... how come 16 were positive are they only ones who got tested? Same last week
in Plymouth came from same place 19 positive then what as happened to the other couple hundred people on flights?

A friend of my wife’s was on that flight.
She had a test when she was home and was negative so obviously it didn’t spread on the plane.
Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:55 am
Blue Diver wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Funny how story comes out a week after come back ... as was said no one complained about passengers not wearing masks to staff at the time.... how come 16 were positive are they only ones who got tested? Same last week
in Plymouth came from same place 19 positive then what as happened to the other couple hundred people on flights?

A friend of my wife’s was on that flight.
She had a test when she was home and was negative so obviously it didn’t spread on the plane.
What does that tell you? Corvid they say needs
Short period of time to transfer to other people so 3 or 4 hours in planes more than enough time to catch it.... zante is the problem not the plane this gives a strong indication of that same as Plymouth Plymouth 2wks ago...
Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:46 pm
Blue Diver wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Funny how story comes out a week after come back ... as was said no one complained about passengers not wearing masks to staff at the time.... how come 16 were positive are they only ones who got tested? Same last week
in Plymouth came from same place 19 positive then what as happened to the other couple hundred people on flights?

A friend of my wife’s was on that flight.
She had a test when she was home and was negative so obviously it didn’t spread on the plane.
So because this one person was tested you assume no one else on the plane became infected Unbelievable
Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:19 pm
Igovernor wrote:Blue Diver wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Funny how story comes out a week after come back ... as was said no one complained about passengers not wearing masks to staff at the time.... how come 16 were positive are they only ones who got tested? Same last week
in Plymouth came from same place 19 positive then what as happened to the other couple hundred people on flights?

A friend of my wife’s was on that flight.
She had a test when she was home and was negative so obviously it didn’t spread on the plane.
So because this one person was tested you assume no one else on the plane became infected Unbelievable

no more unbelievable than jumping to the conclusion they all caught it on the plane.. especially when the majority had been holidaying together... anyway are any of these actually ill ?
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