IF IM WRONG CHANGE MY MIND !!

IF IM WRONG CHANGE MY MIND !!

School children being used in way that in my view is child abuse. At the schools they are forced into social distancing which will more than likely result in severe mental health issues for the poor little mites.
They will be frightened of their own friends their Grandparents.
They see teachers with masks on as faceless people, they believe they could die if they catch this terrible virus or are told to not get to close to there own Grandparents because they might give them a virus that could kill them.
And all for a virus that just does not harm children.

When I see people with masks on I don’t see a person I see a faceless robot that are terrified of a virus that you have a 99.9% of surviving.
We have been told of the masses of deaths but what you aren’t being told is those counted as Covid deaths mainly “died with Covid not because of Covid”.

We see Grandparents that are happy to see there own grandkids in the garden but I wonder what they will do when the temperatures are below freezing or raining.

No one wore a mask for influenza pneumonia etc but want to wear one now !! Why aren’t we told to keep our immune system high ? And you get that by a healthy diet, vitamins, being happy, seeing your grandkids, parents, friends, all those things keep your immune system high.
But they tell you to lock yourself in your homes, sanitise everything, wear masks, keep social distancing, ALL LOWER YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM.

But adults can make there own choices these kids cannot and what are we doing to them teaching them a New normal like this ?

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It's not only kids that are scared stiff only need to see adults reaction when get to close to them? And people complaining they have to go back to work because they are scared of catching corvid..... at rate we are going people wont build up immunity from it because wont be exposed to virus, bit like a lot of normal
viruses/germs because we are over cautious in being exposed to them so we catch them easily as no immunity gained from them.

your not wrong, but every phobe from here to CA brainwashed by nutjob bloggers on you tube and who now think.. claims trump evidence will no doubt be along shortly to insist you are...
wouldnt be so bad if their scaremongering was not causing deaths , but it is..

IF IM WRONG CHANGE MY MIND !!

School children being used in way that in my view is child abuse. At the schools they are forced into social distancing which will more than likely result in severe mental health issues for the poor little mites.
They will be frightened of their own friends their Grandparents.
They see teachers with masks on as faceless people, they believe they could die if they catch this terrible virus or are told to not get to close to there own Grandparents because they might give them a virus that could kill them.
And all for a virus that just does not harm children.

When I see people with masks on I don’t see a person I see a faceless robot that are terrified of a virus that you have a 99.9% of surviving.
We have been told of the masses of deaths but what you aren’t being told is those counted as Covid deaths mainly “died with Covid not because of Covid”.

We see Grandparents that are happy to see there own grandkids in the garden but I wonder what they will do when the temperatures are below freezing or raining.

No one wore a mask for influenza pneumonia etc but want to wear one now !! Why aren’t we told to keep our immune system high ? And you get that by a healthy diet, vitamins, being happy, seeing your grandkids, parents, friends, all those things keep your immune system high.
But they tell you to lock yourself in your homes, sanitise everything, wear masks, keep social distancing, ALL LOWER YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM.

But adults can make there own choices these kids cannot and what are we doing to them teaching them a New normal like this ?

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Rather than prove you are wrong mate,I stand alongside you I will correct you if you don't mind though,covid imho,comes in three parts,as you point out,nobody (well, on MSN! )is telling the truth,I have been saying from the outset,dying with something, is totally different to dying of it,and the 3rd part is dying because of covid,which includes all those who couldnt/wouldn't seek help,those who had heart attacks,while to scared to call an ambulance,the list goes on,and on.,I have said it before,more people are dying BECAUSE of covid,than will die OF it,or WITH it
.My 80 yr old mother has been scared absolutely shitless,the constant bollocks on tv has made her that way,she can now go out,for the 1st time since 2nd week of February (she had a very bad cold) but is to scared to do it!!!
Her mental strength has been drained with the constant scaremongering ,they have ruined her usually busy social life,and have messed up her thinking big time.
Wasn't there an announcement around the younger kids (infants and juniors to us ) not having to social distance now ? This new normal bollocks is going to,as you say cause the kids stress,and as you say,no masks for flu,which kills up to 750,000 globally each year,and in 68 where Hong Kong flu killed 30,000+ ,no lockdown,masks,shutting the world down
We are a herd species,we thrive on contact with other people,this is not NORMAL

IF IM WRONG CHANGE MY MIND !!

School children being used in way that in my view is child abuse. At the schools they are forced into social distancing which will more than likely result in severe mental health issues for the poor little mites.
They will be frightened of their own friends their Grandparents.
They see teachers with masks on as faceless people, they believe they could die if they catch this terrible virus or are told to not get to close to there own Grandparents because they might give them a virus that could kill them.
And all for a virus that just does not harm children.

When I see people with masks on I don’t see a person I see a faceless robot that are terrified of a virus that you have a 99.9% of surviving.
We have been told of the masses of deaths but what you aren’t being told is those counted as Covid deaths mainly “died with Covid not because of Covid”.

We see Grandparents that are happy to see there own grandkids in the garden but I wonder what they will do when the temperatures are below freezing or raining.

No one wore a mask for influenza pneumonia etc but want to wear one now !! Why aren’t we told to keep our immune system high ? And you get that by a healthy diet, vitamins, being happy, seeing your grandkids, parents, friends, all those things keep your immune system high.
But they tell you to lock yourself in your homes, sanitise everything, wear masks, keep social distancing, ALL LOWER YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM.

But adults can make there own choices these kids cannot and what are we doing to them teaching them a New normal like this ?

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Nukes you are 100% correct. There is now a huge and largely unchallenged propaganda machine fueling everyone's fears.

At the beginning, videos from China showed lots of people just randomly collapsing in the street, that seemed scary. I haven't witnessed, seen a report or heard of ANYTHING LIKE the videos that initially came out of China. Almost as if CHINA WANTED TO SCARE THE WORLD INTO SUBMISSION. Well, they succeeded, are we now have a shadow of a life pre-2019.

We're quickly heading towards a communist nightmare of 80%+ people on universal credit, a cashless society (if you disobey the grand master, your account gets switched off) and a world that will happily trade all the FREEDOM our ancestors apparently fought for, in return for "SAFETY"...

Somehow, people praise China for "containing the virus". Bollocks. The virus is the FEAR they unleashed, thanks to the soulless crisis actors they used to peddle this crap.

All we are seeing is a Non-High Consecquence Disease (GOVERNMENTS WORDS, NOT MINE)... Basically a new strain of the flu, which by the way mutates and changes every year. You can't stop it, you can only live with it through healthy lifestyle choices. But people will line the streets as soon as the rushed, dangerous vaccine is released.

Thankfully, I am seeing a lot of people waking up.

The bribes to put COVID on death certificates, the BILLIONAIRES SOCIAL ENGINEERING PLANS, the consisent contradictions everywhere you look, the coming manufactured food shortages, the loss of millions of jobs, the sky-rocketing suicide rates, domestic violence, lonliness from isolation, mental health time bomb, delayed cancer treatments, delayed treatments for critical conditions. ALL OF THIS FOR 99.8% SURVIVAL RATE.

Good post NUKES

IF IM WRONG CHANGE MY MIND !!

School children being used in way that in my view is child abuse. At the schools they are forced into social distancing which will more than likely result in severe mental health issues for the poor little mites.
They will be frightened of their own friends their Grandparents.
They see teachers with masks on as faceless people, they believe they could die if they catch this terrible virus or are told to not get to close to there own Grandparents because they might give them a virus that could kill them.
And all for a virus that just does not harm children.

When I see people with masks on I don’t see a person I see a faceless robot that are terrified of a virus that you have a 99.9% of surviving.
We have been told of the masses of deaths but what you aren’t being told is those counted as Covid deaths mainly “died with Covid not because of Covid”.

We see Grandparents that are happy to see there own grandkids in the garden but I wonder what they will do when the temperatures are below freezing or raining.

No one wore a mask for influenza pneumonia etc but want to wear one now !! Why aren’t we told to keep our immune system high ? And you get that by a healthy diet, vitamins, being happy, seeing your grandkids, parents, friends, all those things keep your immune system high.
But they tell you to lock yourself in your homes, sanitise everything, wear masks, keep social distancing, ALL LOWER YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM.

But adults can make there own choices these kids cannot and what are we doing to them teaching them a New normal like this ?

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Rather than prove you are wrong mate,I stand alongside you I will correct you if you don't mind though,covid imho,comes in three parts,as you point out,nobody (well, on MSN! )is telling the truth,I have been saying from the outset,dying with something, is totally different to dying of it,and the 3rd part is dying because of covid,which includes all those who couldnt/wouldn't seek help,those who had heart attacks,while to scared to call an ambulance,the list goes on,and on.,I have said it before,more people are dying BECAUSE of covid,than will die OF it,or WITH it
.My 80 yr old mother has been scared absolutely shitless,the constant bollocks on tv has made her that way,she can now go out,for the 1st time since 2nd week of February (she had a very bad cold) but is to scared to do it!!!
Her mental strength has been drained with the constant scaremongering ,they have ruined her usually busy social life,and have messed up her thinking big time.
Wasn't there an announcement around the younger kids (infants and juniors to us ) not having to social distance now ? This new normal bollocks is going to,as you say cause the kids stress,and as you say,no masks for flu,which kills up to 750,000 globally each year,and in 68 where Hong Kong flu killed 30,000+ ,no lockdown,masks,shutting the world down
We are a herd species,we thrive on contact with other people,this is not NORMAL

You are spot on.

Sadly, it is very hard to take some time off, think carefully and change your mind about something and change the narrative you have been listening to and telling others.

First few weeks I was also very scared, mainly based from leaked videos from CHINA. I thought we'd be hit very hard with shortages but as it was I was wrong, but can see that happening in future if we keep getting lockdowns and more food producers keep getting shut down due to apparent "CASES"... Despite those "CASES" being 99.999% healthy and completely symptomless. (That's the problem with dodgy, ineffective PCR tests)...

Anyway, after a month, I weighed up both sides, the fear-mongerers, the optimists and the realists, and I changed my outlook on it. I don't mind being totally wrong in the beginning because we now have a chance to save our freedoms that MILLIONS have died for.

We cannot trade FREEDOM FOR SAFETY.

If we live in "safety" we will be living the life of prisoners and dying of mental health issues.

People currently think it's DANGEROUS TO HUG for goodness sake.

You are spot on.

Sadly, it is very hard to take some time off, think carefully and change your mind about something and change the narrative you have been listening to and telling others.

First few weeks I was also very scared, mainly based from leaked videos from CHINA. I thought we'd be hit very hard with shortages but as it was I was wrong, but can see that happening in future if we keep getting lockdowns and more food producers keep getting shut down due to apparent "CASES"... Despite those "CASES" being 99.999% healthy and completely symptomless. (That's the problem with dodgy, ineffective PCR tests)...

Anyway, after a month, I weighed up both sides, the fear-mongerers, the optimists and the realists, and I changed my outlook on it. I don't mind being totally wrong in the beginning because we now have a chance to save our freedoms that MILLIONS have died for.

We cannot trade FREEDOM FOR SAFETY.

If we live in "safety" we will be living the life of prisoners and dying of mental health issues.

People currently think it's DANGEROUS TO HUG for goodness sake.

TBF I believe the initial lock down with the closure of School's in March was the correct decision. The Government knew that the NHS would be overwhelmed mainly by over 70's who contracted the virus.

However, once the Nightingale Hospital's were up and running I believe the Government should have at that point looked at opening up the economy starting with the under 40's returning to work including teachers.

I don't see social distancing and vigilant personal hygiene as any loss of personal freedom. Children are resilient and will get used to seeing teachers with mask's on and providing they are taught that they (the children) are safe from the virus then there won't be any mass mental health problems as described by the OP. Rather than use silly emotive words it would be much better just to use some common sense.

I have to disagree with many points Nukes.
When you say people have a 99.9% chance of surviving, not sure where you got this info from try telling that to the families of the 40,000+ that have died
There is a big difference between not wearing a mask for influenza and pneumonia
(most likely cause of catching Pneumonia is bacteria and viruses living in your nose, sinuses, or mouth and spreading to your lungs) and there are vaccines for Influenza and pneumonia. For Covid19 there is none, and I believe that it will be many years before there is one that is effective and side effects free.
Do you honestly think that a healthy diet, vitamins, being happy, keep your immune system high, being happy may keep you mind healthy, and a healthy diet helps if you do catch Covid19 but it certainly does not prevent you catching Covid19.

It's not only kids that are scared stiff only need to see adults reaction when get to close to them? And people complaining they have to go back to work because they are scared of catching corvid..... at rate we are going people wont build up immunity from it because wont be exposed to virus, bit like a lot of normal
viruses/germs because we are over cautious in being exposed to them so we catch them easily as no immunity gained from them.

Allan if you saw the selfish idiots in supermarkets who may have Covid19 and are not aware of it, stand inches away from you many without masks breathing all over you and many talking to their partners spouting out enough air to blow you over, then you would not think it foolish to have a reaction to them!

”When I see people with masks on I don’t see a person I see a faceless robot that are terrified of a virus that you have a 99.9% of surviving.“

In my job as delivery driver it’s company rule to wear mask into the shops when staff and customers are present. Don’t fancy losing my job for not wearing a mask for 10 minutes.

It's not only kids that are scared stiff only need to see adults reaction when get to close to them? And people complaining they have to go back to work because they are scared of catching corvid..... at rate we are going people wont build up immunity from it because wont be exposed to virus, bit like a lot of normal
viruses/germs because we are over cautious in being exposed to them so we catch them easily as no immunity gained from them.

Allan if you saw the selfish idiots in supermarkets who may have Covid19 and are not aware of it, stand inches away from you many without masks breathing all over you and many talking to their partners spouting out enough air to blow you over, then you would not think it foolish to have a reaction to them!

Unfortunately its getting harder to keep that distance ! Unles masks are made mandatory nothing people can do about it? But not talking about breathing over people just the reaction of being passed by someone while they take time trying to decide what food to buy blocking isle in process.... at end day we all have to get on with it causing arguments wont solve the problem..

It's not only kids that are scared stiff only need to see adults reaction when get to close to them? And people complaining they have to go back to work because they are scared of catching corvid..... at rate we are going people wont build up immunity from it because wont be exposed to virus, bit like a lot of normal
viruses/germs because we are over cautious in being exposed to them so we catch them easily as no immunity gained from them.

Allan if you saw the selfish idiots in supermarkets who may have Covid19 and are not aware of it, stand inches away from you many without masks breathing all over you and many talking to their partners spouting out enough air to blow you over, then you would not think it foolish to have a reaction to them!

Unfortunately its getting harder to keep that distance ! Unles masks are made mandatory nothing people can do about it? But not talking about breathing over people just the reaction of being passed by someone while they take time trying to decide what food to buy blocking isle in process.... at end day we all have to get on with it causing arguments wont solve the problem..

It is not the matter of being passed by someone, it is the matter of thick people standing right behind you or right next to you, or stretching across you to get something off a shelf. I do not dither when I shop I have my list so I am no time at the shelf getting what is on my list!

It's not only kids that are scared stiff only need to see adults reaction when get to close to them? And people complaining they have to go back to work because they are scared of catching corvid..... at rate we are going people wont build up immunity from it because wont be exposed to virus, bit like a lot of normal
viruses/germs because we are over cautious in being exposed to them so we catch them easily as no immunity gained from them.

Allan if you saw the selfish idiots in supermarkets who may have Covid19 and are not aware of it, stand inches away from you many without masks breathing all over you and many talking to their partners spouting out enough air to blow you over, then you would not think it foolish to have a reaction to them!

in the super market... sorry mate but the person most responsible for my well being is me... and if i was bothered to the extent you seem to be id be getting my groceries delivered.. not out and about calling all and sundry idiots, fools , thickos and selfish.
if anything those expecting life to come to a standstill , children to not be children anymore , young adults to sacrifice special memories that our generation took for granted in case they catch a virus are being selfish..
personally i did not and still do not agree with the lockdown... but we had it and now its time to move on .. god knows how much damage going forward as been done mentally to our young already... the new normal my arse.. lets try dropping the new bit.. and do what humans have done since the beginning of time.. which is risk assess for yourself and act accordingly..

It's not only kids that are scared stiff only need to see adults reaction when get to close to them? And people complaining they have to go back to work because they are scared of catching corvid..... at rate we are going people wont build up immunity from it because wont be exposed to virus, bit like a lot of normal
viruses/germs because we are over cautious in being exposed to them so we catch them easily as no immunity gained from them.

Allan if you saw the selfish idiots in supermarkets who may have Covid19 and are not aware of it, stand inches away from you many without masks breathing all over you and many talking to their partners spouting out enough air to blow you over, then you would not think it foolish to have a reaction to them!

in the super market... sorry mate but the person most responsible for my well being is me... and if i was bothered to the extent you seem to be id be getting my groceries delivered.. not out and about calling all and sundry idiots, fools , thickos and selfish.
if anything those expecting life to come to a standstill , children to not be children anymore , young adults to sacrifice special memories that our generation took for granted in case they catch a virus are being selfish..
personally i did not and still do not agree with the lockdown... but we had it and now its time to move on .. god knows how much damage going forward as been done mentally to our young already... the new normal my arse.. lets try dropping the new bit.. and do what humans have done since the beginning of time.. which is risk assess for yourself and act accordingly..

So you talk about assessing the risk and have food delivered, so people stay at home and contradict yourself when you say staying at home affects your mental health. Obviously you are typical of "I am alright jack" attitude? I take it you are part of the younger generation who think you are invincible. I will talk to you when Winter comes, only then will we see, what will happen!

It's not only kids that are scared stiff only need to see adults reaction when get to close to them? And people complaining they have to go back to work because they are scared of catching corvid..... at rate we are going people wont build up immunity from it because wont be exposed to virus, bit like a lot of normal
viruses/germs because we are over cautious in being exposed to them so we catch them easily as no immunity gained from them.

Allan if you saw the selfish idiots in supermarkets who may have Covid19 and are not aware of it, stand inches away from you many without masks breathing all over you and many talking to their partners spouting out enough air to blow you over, then you would not think it foolish to have a reaction to them!

Unfortunately its getting harder to keep that distance ! Unles masks are made mandatory nothing people can do about it? But not talking about breathing over people just the reaction of being passed by someone while they take time trying to decide what food to buy blocking isle in process.... at end day we all have to get on with it causing arguments wont solve the problem..

It is not the matter of being passed by someone, it is the matter of thick people standing right behind you or right next to you, or stretching across you to get something off a shelf. I do not dither when I shop I have my list so I am no time at the shelf getting what is on my list!

What is becoming common is people not wearing masks being abused by someone who is wearing one? There us no need for this if that person is not interfering with anyone besides not everyone can wear a mask! I cant wear one without compromising my health ..... we are 6 months on from start of lockdown and people should be getting on with their lives not hiding behind corvid as a reason not to do things? Here in pembs got thousands of holiday makers every day and no sighn of corvid doing anything for past couple of months so wheres it gone? Cannot be through social distancing as it does not exist except in certain places..

It's not only kids that are scared stiff only need to see adults reaction when get to close to them? And people complaining they have to go back to work because they are scared of catching corvid..... at rate we are going people wont build up immunity from it because wont be exposed to virus, bit like a lot of normal
viruses/germs because we are over cautious in being exposed to them so we catch them easily as no immunity gained from them.

Allan if you saw the selfish idiots in supermarkets who may have Covid19 and are not aware of it, stand inches away from you many without masks breathing all over you and many talking to their partners spouting out enough air to blow you over, then you would not think it foolish to have a reaction to them!

in the super market... sorry mate but the person most responsible for my well being is me... and if i was bothered to the extent you seem to be id be getting my groceries delivered.. not out and about calling all and sundry idiots, fools , thickos and selfish.
if anything those expecting life to come to a standstill , children to not be children anymore , young adults to sacrifice special memories that our generation took for granted in case they catch a virus are being selfish..
personally i did not and still do not agree with the lockdown... but we had it and now its time to move on .. god knows how much damage going forward as been done mentally to our young already... the new normal my arse.. lets try dropping the new bit.. and do what humans have done since the beginning of time.. which is risk assess for yourself and act accordingly..

So you talk about assessing the risk and have food delivered, so people stay at home and contradict yourself when you say staying at home affects your mental health. Obviously you are typical of "I am alright jack" attitude? I take it you are part of the younger generation who think you are invincible. I will talk to you when Winter comes, only then will we see, what will happen!

firstly how is it contradictory.. its your choice to stay in or go out, have visitors or not.. ... you want to make choices for others...i do not
im alright jack ..waw..what a twist, or can you genuinely not see thats exactly how youve been from day 1...? life must stop because im scared . and no im not ok and in my 60s and certainly do not feel invincible... i will die { not that i intend to, or does it frighten me } as everyone does and as with the enormous majority its extremely unlikely its going to be of corona virus ..i dont have an existing Heart problem but its literally over 100 times more likely i die of a heart attack.. i dont or have ever thought is today i get my heart attack and die.. or thought is this the day i die in a road traffic accident which is also something im far more likely to die in so im fckd if im going to go around thinking it of something that in comparison is much much much less likely to kill me.. .. the younger generation....i do not begrudge youngsters what ive already had , their normal lives or even feeling invincible ... its normal ... winter... oh come on.. ill buy some thermals because hypothermia might also get me...

Your right,but the problem you got is teachers some of them won't go back unless masks are worn,plus there are plenty of snowflake parents out there who go over the top with things and are ready to take legal action at the slightest of things,

I rather see what you are saying, however I dont think its as clear cut as that. I listened to Vaughan Gethin yesterday and he stated that the chance of catching Covid in Wales now stands at 0.03% thats 1 in 3,000 chance if you multiply that by a 1 10 chance of fatalities after catching Covid that translats to 1 in 30,000 chance of dying from Covid. (I have a greater chance of being killed on the road)

All that currently needs to happen is a little bit of care in social distancing, good hand hygiene (thats something we should have done before) and the rest takes care of itself.

It's not only kids that are scared stiff only need to see adults reaction when get to close to them? And people complaining they have to go back to work because they are scared of catching corvid..... at rate we are going people wont build up immunity from it because wont be exposed to virus, bit like a lot of normal
viruses/germs because we are over cautious in being exposed to them so we catch them easily as no immunity gained from them.

Allan if you saw the selfish idiots in supermarkets who may have Covid19 and are not aware of it, stand inches away from you many without masks breathing all over you and many talking to their partners spouting out enough air to blow you over, then you would not think it foolish to have a reaction to them!

in the super market... sorry mate but the person most responsible for my well being is me... and if i was bothered to the extent you seem to be id be getting my groceries delivered.. not out and about calling all and sundry idiots, fools , thickos and selfish.
if anything those expecting life to come to a standstill , children to not be children anymore , young adults to sacrifice special memories that our generation took for granted in case they catch a virus are being selfish..
personally i did not and still do not agree with the lockdown... but we had it and now its time to move on .. god knows how much damage going forward as been done mentally to our young already... the new normal my arse.. lets try dropping the new bit.. and do what humans have done since the beginning of time.. which is risk assess for yourself and act accordingly..

So you talk about assessing the risk and have food delivered, so people stay at home and contradict yourself when you say staying at home affects your mental health. Obviously you are typical of "I am alright jack" attitude? I take it you are part of the younger generation who think you are invincible. I will talk to you when Winter comes, only then will we see, what will happen!

firstly how is it contradictory.. its your choice to stay in or go out, have visitors or not.. ... you want to make choices for others...i do not
im alright jack ..waw..what a twist, or can you genuinely not see thats exactly how youve been from day 1...? life must stop because im scared . and no im not ok and in my 60s and certainly do not feel invincible... i will die { not that i intend to, or does it frighten me } as everyone does and as with the enormous majority its extremely unlikely its going to be of corona virus ..i dont have an existing Heart problem but its literally over 100 times more likely i die of a heart attack.. i dont or have ever thought is today i get my heart attack and die.. or thought is this the day i die in a road traffic accident which is also something im far more likely to die in so im fckd if im going to go around thinking it of something that in comparison is much much much less likely to kill me.. .. the younger generation....i do not begrudge youngsters what ive already had , their normal lives or even feeling invincible ... its normal ... winter... oh come on.. ill buy some thermals because hypothermia might also get me...

When winter comes we will see corvid deaths be associated with normal flue deaths so corvid related deaths will expeditiously go up?
Perhaps utsjust me I'm not worried about corvid even though suspect if get it I shall be a statistic....... but Im still doing what I did before corvid except i wash hands countless times when I'm out doing ambulance volunteer work.. as I've said considering we are overrun with visitors here corvid generally as passed us by why is that I ask? You would expect to have fair few cases but it is very minimal compared to other places and people generally use limited precautions ..

I rather see what you are saying, however I dont think its as clear cut as that. I listened to Vaughan Gethin yesterday and he stated that the chance of catching Covid in Wales now stands at 0.03% thats 1 in 3,000 chance if you multiply that by a 1 10 chance of fatalities after catching Covid that translats to 1 in 30,000 chance of dying from Covid. (I have a greater chance of being killed on the road)

All that currently needs to happen is a little bit of care in social distancing, good hand hygiene (thats something we should have done before) and the rest takes care of itself.

Spot on Whistler. Everyone needs to weigh up the facts for themselves, rather than just listen to soundbites, and act accordingly and responsibly. even at nearly 70 I am of the view that we need to be trying as far as possible to get back to 'normality' because it is not going to get a whole lot better for quite a while. I am trying to just get on with life again, and just hope for instance that we can get back into CCS as soon as possible, subject to reasonable restrictions. However I am respectful of those who think otherwise.

And it needs parents to take responsibility in ensuring that their children are treated and instructed responsibly and in turn act responsibly in relation to the issues. Youngsters invariably take their lead from parents.

I wonder how many commenting on here has had a loved one perish from Covid.

I have seen a family member dye in the early days of Covid, That only made me to exercise caution without being over the top, what i am stating there should be a measured response in line with the risk level

I wonder how many commenting on here has had a loved one perish from Covid.

Probably a couple but there again if lose loved one in car crash does that mean you dont drive because of risk? And there are people like me who probably die if contract it but doesnt stop me or them from leading a normal as possible life.... its about risks as in life in general you minimise it but you dont stop doing things just in case you catch or die of something?

I wonder how many commenting on here has had a loved one perish from Covid.

Probably a couple but there again if lose loved one in car crash does that mean you dont drive because of risk? And there are people like me who probably die if contract it but doesnt stop me or them from leading a normal as possible life.... its about risks as in life in general you minimise it but you dont stop doing things just in case you catch or die of something?

I do not stop in my flat, I go out shopping, I go for a coffee also walking I just keep away from people who are in their own little world, oblivious to any body else around them. I am not frighted about going out as i do, but I do get annoyed about people who have no consideration for other people and do not have the sense God gave them. The analogy that was given re: catching Covid19 and dying in car accident is not a good one as they are two completely different scenarios!

your more crazy than my ex wife

your more crazy than my ex wife

I wonder why she is your ex wife?

I've read this and have some sympathy with the OP's views

However, I have to say that handled well, children can be shielded from a lot of this by smart and experienced teachers, who will be positively proactive in their approach and treat the situation as some sort of game that the children can buy into

Children are more resilient than we (appear to) think and will get through this far better than us (somewhat indoctrinated) adults

I wonder how many commenting on here has had a loved one perish from Covid.

Probably a couple but there again if lose loved one in car crash does that mean you dont drive because of risk? And there are people like me who probably die if contract it but doesnt stop me or them from leading a normal as possible life.... its about risks as in life in general you minimise it but you dont stop doing things just in case you catch or die of something?

I do not stop in my flat, I go out shopping, I go for a coffee also walking I just keep away from people who are in their own little world, oblivious to any body else around them. I am not frighted about going out as i do, but I do get annoyed about people who have no consideration for other people and do not have the sense God gave them. The analogy that was given re: catching Covid19 and dying in car accident is not a good one as they are two completely different scenarios!

Maybe different scenario but principle is same if someone dies of something doesn't mean you dont do stop doing something in case you die from same cause.. but like you I carried on as normal despite being very high risk? Maybe its because I've had problems all my life and live life day to day ... human nature being what it is means always get some who look after no1 and not bothered about others

Posted a week or so ago about the Covid and the attack on our lives by the cynical bastards that run the world.

There is a view that climate emergency didn't create the moral panic that was needed so they've gone all in on Covid panic, hoping to use this to push through societal change they desire (and screw Trump in the process). They'll go back to climate when it suits the agenda.

Not my work but the signs of a stitch-up are clear when Blair gets involved:

‘There's this from the "Tony Blair Institute for Global Change" (They could have come up with a less evil dystopian name)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... hr#comment


Digital 'coronavirus-status passports' could be used to scrap blanket lockdown measures and free up vast swathes of the economy, a new report, backed by former Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt, has urged.

Under the proposals, people would be tested as often as every two weeks for coronavirus and keep their results in a app on their phone.

Passport holders would be able to scan an individual QR code to get into restaurants and sports venues, meaning businesses would be able to reduce social distancing requirements.

Those who test negative would also avoid the need for quarantining when crossing borders.

The report from the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change advocates for the implementation of 'digital' passports as part of wider calls for mass testing.

In a foreword to the report, Mr Hunt writes: "We know there is a delicate balance to be struck between health and economic concerns.

"We also know that the two are inextricably linked: an economy in freefall causes immense physical and mental harm and the uncertainty of lockdowns will lead to deep and lasting economic damage.

“Having the confidence to return to work and for consumers to interact with businesses is now a must, but it can only be achieved by learning to live alongside the virus. Short of a safe vaccine, mass testing is the only way to realise this.”

The paper, which is also backed by former Prime Minister Tony Blair and ex-leader of the Conservative Party William Hague, argues for “Covid-19 status passports” to help open up the economy further.

The report’s author, strategic adviser at the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change, Ryan Wain said: “It’s almost a passport back to normality. It would allow restaurants to open closer to full capacity, it could help get crowds back in sports stadiums.

“It’s really important for the economy to eventually remove and reduce social distancing and I see the passport as a way of doing that. It would also allow people to travel more freely and enable mass quarantine to be scaled down.”

Mr Wain said the suggestion was different to an “immunity passport”, which was previously touted as a potential route out of the coronavirus pandemic.
In May, the Health Secretary Matt Hancock had hinted that immunity certificates could be issued to those who had already recovered from coronavirus

In May, the Health Secretary Matt Hancock hinted that immunity certificates could be issued to those who had already recovered from coronavirus in order to enable them to return to a more normal way of life.

However, Mr Wain noted that “evidence is still in flux about how long immunity lasts”, with some studies suggesting it can last for as little as three months.

The paper also argues the Government should look to the football Premier League’s success with mass testing which works by “removing the threat posed by non-symptomatic spreaders".

The Premier League tests every player and staff member across all 20 clubs twice every week in order to find asymptomatic cases.

I'm sure the next idea will be the digital passport linked to your green credentials - only those woke enough allowed to travel abroad.’

Seriously, OR code on your smartphone and you go nowhere without it.
What they also don’t tell you about testing is that your DNA is taken and held.
If you haven’t already done so read about the ‘social credit societal system.’
There’s a lot more - they can/are possibly undertaking the 'Great Reset,' but this should do for now.

IF IM WRONG CHANGE MY MIND !!

School children being used in way that in my view is child abuse. At the schools they are forced into social distancing which will more than likely result in severe mental health issues for the poor little mites.
They will be frightened of their own friends their Grandparents.
They see teachers with masks on as faceless people, they believe they could die if they catch this terrible virus or are told to not get to close to there own Grandparents because they might give them a virus that could kill them.
And all for a virus that just does not harm children.

When I see people with masks on I don’t see a person I see a faceless robot that are terrified of a virus that you have a 99.9% of surviving.
We have been told of the masses of deaths but what you aren’t being told is those counted as Covid deaths mainly “died with Covid not because of Covid”.

We see Grandparents that are happy to see there own grandkids in the garden but I wonder what they will do when the temperatures are below freezing or raining.

No one wore a mask for influenza pneumonia etc but want to wear one now !! Why aren’t we told to keep our immune system high ? And you get that by a healthy diet, vitamins, being happy, seeing your grandkids, parents, friends, all those things keep your immune system high.
But they tell you to lock yourself in your homes, sanitise everything, wear masks, keep social distancing, ALL LOWER YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM.

But adults can make there own choices these kids cannot and what are we doing to them teaching them a New normal like this ?

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Nuclear Blue - you are a breath of fresh sanity mate. Our governments don't appear to know what the hell they are doing. But if they do know what they are doing and are not simply incompetent; then that is worrying. Here in Scotland mask wearing in shops has only recently become mandatory even though the virus is virtually gone. Yes - there will be more people testing positive because the testing has increased - but very few people are dying. My wife works in a school, which started last week and it is absolute chaos there. They are trying to minimise contact between children in the classroom and between classes, and in the breaks, the children are asked to social distance, but they don't. Neither do they social distance to and from school - as I have witnessed. But no children are wearing masks and teachers only wear them if they have to be less than one metre from a child. All this useless effort when children have more chance of being struck by lightening than dying from Covid. If you listen to the propaganda, you would think that human beings don't have immune systems. I would be classified as 'vulnerable' but I have abolutely NO fear of the virus (I haven't had 'flu in 35 years) , but the lockdown and all the mask wearing is causing me anxiety. I will - No Way - wear a mask. If you think it's bad here then have a look at what's happening in Australia (Victoria) and New Zealand. Also have a look at the way in which Sweden has coped so well with the virus - even though they did not lockdown (I have posted on this elsewhere). I can understand the concern when all this started, but now it is all nonsense and people ought to start thinking logically again. Our freedoms could be at stake.