This is how bad it’s becoming & more clubs to follow

Challenging for promotion to the football league the last 3 years and now .

All players can immediately leave on free transfers.



Dover Athletic FC


August 2020


Chairman Jim Parmenter has released the following statement.

The Board have been busy assessing the clubs financial position and immediate future due to the very difficult circumstances of the COVID 19 pandemic.

The club is still unsure of its income in the coming season but the Board are clear income will greatly reduced.

The club has 14 players under contract for next season and at a meeting last week the clubs position was explained in detail to the players and staff.

At that meeting the players and staff were asked to accept a 20% short-term reduction in salary to assist the club in its efforts to stay solvent and keep the club alive bearing in mind the club will move from four to three days training.

The management have accepted the proposal, however, unfortunately the players have not agreed.

Therefore it is with great regret that I must announce that all of the squad are now available for free transfer as an initial immediate step.

I must further inform supporters that if a solution or further investment cannot be found by the end of August it is likely that the Directors will consider the club insolvent and as a consequence will be forced to cease trading.

The directors are doing everything they can to keep the club afloat, but have reached an impasse and require the support of our playing squad.

Season ticket purchases are fully protected and a full refund will be issued if the worse happens, so supporters can continue to purchase in confidence.

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I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

Spot on Tony.

I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

Spot on Tony.

It doesn't help when the pfa refuse to accept players having pay cuts! I posted other day regarding Taylor refusing to sanction cuts it's ok for him and his 3m a year salary...

I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

Spot on Tony.

It doesn't help when the pfa refuse to accept players having pay cuts! I posted other day regarding Taylor refusing to sanction cuts it's ok for him and his 3m a year salary...

its like anything else mate, if your employer just announced a pay cut.. you would expect your union to be up in arms

I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

Spot on Tony.

It doesn't help when the pfa refuse to accept players having pay cuts! I posted other day regarding Taylor refusing to sanction cuts it's ok for him and his 3m a year salary...

its like anything else mate, if your employer just announced a pay cut.. you would expect your union to be up in arms

Yes but in this case like any other if got no income you go bust if dont cut staff or wages? In this case staff refuse cuts so their jobs will go instead? Good luck in finding a new club..

As you go down the football pyramid , the reliance on fans thru turnstile and Sponsorship deals are bound to be impacted.In the lower leagues , the reliance on local benefactors gets higher so it should be no surprise that clubs aren’t going to survive.

Time For football to Reduce squad sizes and utilising their academies more , reduce Contract length and salaries, transfer fees and fees paid to agents .How many championship clubs will gamble on getting promotion next season knowing a second wave could stop any hope of getting crowds back and even curtail the new season ?

Players refused a short-term 20% pay cut.. so bollox to them. Years ago players would play for nothing. Good for the Chairman, hope many more follow suit. Football needs calibration in terms of wages.

As you go down the football pyramid , the reliance on fans thru turnstile and Sponsorship deals are bound to be impacted.In the lower leagues , the reliance on local benefactors gets higher so it should be no surprise that clubs aren’t going to survive.

Time For football to Reduce squad sizes and utilising their academies more , reduce Contract length and salaries, transfer fees and fees paid to agents .How many championship clubs will gamble on getting promotion next season knowing a second wave could stop any hope of getting crowds back and even curtail the new season ?

I believe the chairman and players are correct.

As a contracted (or full time) employee why should i take a 20% pay cut ? This may be the new normal, time to save all my cash in case times get much worse for me and my family.

The chairman has to balance the books, its his job. He needs to take salary down by at least 20% so out of a squad of 14, two have to leave. The easiest way is to say they can all leave with no fee, hopefully two or three will leave and kids will be given the opportunity.

I sit at home this week amazed at some of the transfer fee's thrown around at the elite level, but they know the climate, so must be confident in their finances, although, these are the same clubs bitching a few months ago about their players not sacrificing 20% of their contracted salaries.

Football needs to cut its cloth to suit, but this is on a club by club basis as the vanity project clubs will remain strong and those at the bottom will have to revert to semi pro or amatuer footings.

Good to see most of us understanding a Chairmans point of view and the actions he is carrying out.

The bad guys coming over here are the players. Their refusal to take a 20% pay drop will not go down well with anyone specially as they will only be required to come in 3 of the 4 days to train and play. The only thing perhaps going for them is how much are these guys on. Unlike their Premier collegues who can soak up a 20% drop these guys could be on the breadline and you have to take into account they cannot do any other job as a footballer is committed 100% to the career.

Why are footballers of whatever level any different to other employees ?

The club is under financial trouble so cuts have to be made, but they signed contracts with T&C's and I doubt there was an arbitrary 20% reduction in there.

Let's expand this theory. Covid had caused major financial impact to the country, we are skint. Should we reduce all public sector salaries by 20% for an indefinite period in order for us to stay afloat ?

I know the answer....I just don't see the difference.

I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

Spot on Tony.

It doesn't help when the pfa refuse to accept players having pay cuts! I posted other day regarding Taylor refusing to sanction cuts it's ok for him and his 3m a year salary...

Allan if the players want to cut their wages then it is up to them there is nothing much that the pfa can do about it. Arsensl players have taken a 12% pay cut to stop 55 staff being sacked, and then the club sacked them anyway. The Arsenal players and nearly all football commentators/pundits are up in the air and having a go at Arsenal

I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

Spot on Tony.

It doesn't help when the pfa refuse to accept players having pay cuts! I posted other day regarding Taylor refusing to sanction cuts it's ok for him and his 3m a year salary...

its like anything else mate, if your employer just announced a pay cut.. you would expect your union to be up in arms

Yes but in this case like any other if got no income you go bust if dont cut staff or wages? In this case staff refuse cuts so their jobs will go instead? Good luck in finding a new club..

my point was that yes it is like any other....you cant just make seperate rules up because the head of the PFA earns a wage you do not agree with...

I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

Spot on Tony.

It doesn't help when the pfa refuse to accept players having pay cuts! I posted other day regarding Taylor refusing to sanction cuts it's ok for him and his 3m a year salary...

Allan if the players want to cut their wages then it is up to them there is nothing much that the pfa can do about it. Arsenal players have taken a 12% pay cut to stop 55 staff being sacked, and then the club sacked them anyway. The Arsenal players and nearly all football commentators/pundits are up in the air and having a go at Arsenal

Taken from Wiki but Arsenal FC employes 1125, that is an insane number !!!!

all redundancies are sad, but its sits in the retail and hospitality sector as much as first team performance. They have decided to get rid of their European scouting system which has produced nothing since Ces Fabregas who retired a few seasons ago.

The PFA are right in my eyes. Clubs will have to cut their cloth accordingly in doing so they may only have 18 first teamers and kids instead of two teams of first teamers rather than a across the board reduction and obviously future contracts will be tighter.

I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

Spot on Tony.

It doesn't help when the pfa refuse to accept players having pay cuts! I posted other day regarding Taylor refusing to sanction cuts it's ok for him and his 3m a year salary...

its like anything else mate, if your employer just announced a pay cut.. you would expect your union to be up in arms

Yes but in this case like any other if got no income you go bust if dont cut staff or wages? In this case staff refuse cuts so their jobs will go instead? Good luck in finding a new club..

my point was that yes it is like any other....you cant just make seperate rules up because the head of the PFA earns a wage you do not agree with...

Reference Taylor was to highlight it's ok for him hes on 3m a year and as got no chance of being made redundant! So he can say dont accept pay cut but it's not him who is going to lose his job is it? The warning is stark from owner so was very helpful of Taylor to say no, players lose jobs Taylor wrings his hands like normal

I'm not sure why people are defending players saying how are they different from any other employees etc.

Take a look around, people are taking hits left right and centre, where I work we have all given up our annual bonus for the good of the company, technically we are entitled to it as it was target driven but knowing the place needs to stay financially on top we have taken agreed to waive it and have been told if possible we will get it next year.

I mean if the place you work is genuinely at the verge of going under you to WHATEVER you can to help don't you.

It will be tough justice if Dover fold and some of these players can't find new Clubs. It's not like the owner is doinh it for shits and giggles, its where we are at

I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

Spot on Tony.

It doesn't help when the pfa refuse to accept players having pay cuts! I posted other day regarding Taylor refusing to sanction cuts it's ok for him and his 3m a year salary...

its like anything else mate, if your employer just announced a pay cut.. you would expect your union to be up in arms

Yes but in this case like any other if got no income you go bust if dont cut staff or wages? In this case staff refuse cuts so their jobs will go instead? Good luck in finding a new club..

my point was that yes it is like any other....you cant just make seperate rules up because the head of the PFA earns a wage you do not agree with...

Reference Taylor was to highlight it's ok for him hes on 3m a year and as got no chance of being made redundant! So he can say dont accept pay cut but it's not him who is going to lose his job is it? The warning is stark from owner so was very helpful of Taylor to say no, players lose jobs Taylor wrings his hands like normal

mate if you ever paid union fees you wasted them if you think its fine for your employer to sanction a wage cut and no consultation... you think those players are losing their jobs ? or do you think Dovers chairman wants these players on the cheap ... my money would be on those not accepting the cut know full well they can get more money elsewhere.. happens every year in the Welsh league

I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

Spot on Tony.

It doesn't help when the pfa refuse to accept players having pay cuts! I posted other day regarding Taylor refusing to sanction cuts it's ok for him and his 3m a year salary...

Allan if the players want to cut their wages then it is up to them there is nothing much that the pfa can do about it. Arsenal players have taken a 12% pay cut to stop 55 staff being sacked, and then the club sacked them anyway. The Arsenal players and nearly all football commentators/pundits are up in the air and having a go at Arsenal

Taken from Wiki but Arsenal FC employes 1125, that is an insane number !!!!

all redundancies are sad, but its sits in the retail and hospitality sector as much as first team performance. They have decided to get rid of their European scouting system which has produced nothing since Ces Fabregas who retired a few seasons ago.

The PFA are right in my eyes. Clubs will have to cut their cloth accordingly in doing so they may only have 18 first teamers and kids instead of two teams of first teamers rather than a across the board reduction and obviously future contracts will be tighter.

yes that number is insane... and Arsenal are not alone..

The pfa have to do something to justify their existence, which like most Unions has been rendered pointless due to their demands having been met.
‘All out Lads’...permanently.

I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

Spot on Tony.

It doesn't help when the pfa refuse to accept players having pay cuts! I posted other day regarding Taylor refusing to sanction cuts it's ok for him and his 3m a year salary...

its like anything else mate, if your employer just announced a pay cut.. you would expect your union to be up in arms

Yes but in this case like any other if got no income you go bust if dont cut staff or wages? In this case staff refuse cuts so their jobs will go instead? Good luck in finding a new club..

my point was that yes it is like any other....you cant just make seperate rules up because the head of the PFA earns a wage you do not agree with...

Reference Taylor was to highlight it's ok for him hes on 3m a year and as got no chance of being made redundant! So he can say dont accept pay cut but it's not him who is going to lose his job is it? The warning is stark from owner so was very helpful of Taylor to say no, players lose jobs Taylor wrings his hands like normal

mate if you ever paid union fees you wasted them if you think its fine for your employer to sanction a wage cut and no consultation... you think those players are losing their jobs ? or do you think Dovers chairman wants these players on the cheap ... my money would be on those not accepting the cut know full well they can get more money elsewhere.. happens every year in the Welsh league

Yes the owner is no different from any businessman wanting to make money on backs of workers and if nessasary sack some to keep profits going? But football as we know is not like any other business.... as for players getting more money elsewhere sounds like good idea in middle of massive cost cutting by clubs and a wage cap likely in div 1 & 2 a move that Taylor strongly apposes... so if owner carries out his threat then dont be surprised to see other owners doing same and all the players need to do is go to their agents and find another club simple really..
Yes paid unison dues for 25 yrs.. they were only useful when I retired...

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I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

Spot on Tony.

It doesn't help when the pfa refuse to accept players having pay cuts! I posted other day regarding Taylor refusing to sanction cuts it's ok for him and his 3m a year salary...

its like anything else mate, if your employer just announced a pay cut.. you would expect your union to be up in arms

Yes but in this case like any other if got no income you go bust if dont cut staff or wages? In this case staff refuse cuts so their jobs will go instead? Good luck in finding a new club..

my point was that yes it is like any other....you cant just make seperate rules up because the head of the PFA earns a wage you do not agree with...

Reference Taylor was to highlight it's ok for him hes on 3m a year and as got no chance of being made redundant! So he can say dont accept pay cut but it's not him who is going to lose his job is it? The warning is stark from owner so was very helpful of Taylor to say no, players lose jobs Taylor wrings his hands like normal

mate if you ever paid union fees you wasted them if you think its fine for your employer to sanction a wage cut and no consultation... you think those players are losing their jobs ? or do you think Dovers chairman wants these players on the cheap ... my money would be on those not accepting the cut know full well they can get more money elsewhere.. happens every year in the Welsh league

Yes the owner is no different from any businessman wanting to make money on backs of workers and if nessasary sack some to keep profits going? But football as we know is not like any other business.... as for players getting more money elsewhere sounds like good idea in middle of massive cost cutting by clubs and a wage cap likely in div 1 & 2 a move that Taylor strongly apposes... so if owner carries out his threat then dont be surprised to see other owners doing same and all the players need to do is go to their agents and find another club simple really..
Yes paid unison dues for 25 yrs.. they were only useful when I retired...

they were only useful ? ah you experienced a 25% cut in wages at some point and your union stood by and watched..or were they a big part of the reason it does not happen ?.. and no most football club owners at lower level clubs are not making money of their workers.. what they do is over extend to have better teams than the clubs living within their means... . and no its not a sacastic good idea its a fact.... try looking at clubs buying players and dishing contracts out.. including ourselves who are apparently trying to sign a player from a club desperate to reduce its wage bill..i wonder if he will come for wages minus 20% ?

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I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

Spot on Tony.

It doesn't help when the pfa refuse to accept players having pay cuts! I posted other day regarding Taylor refusing to sanction cuts it's ok for him and his 3m a year salary...

its like anything else mate, if your employer just announced a pay cut.. you would expect your union to be up in arms

Yes but in this case like any other if got no income you go bust if dont cut staff or wages? In this case staff refuse cuts so their jobs will go instead? Good luck in finding a new club..

my point was that yes it is like any other....you cant just make seperate rules up because the head of the PFA earns a wage you do not agree with...

Reference Taylor was to highlight it's ok for him hes on 3m a year and as got no chance of being made redundant! So he can say dont accept pay cut but it's not him who is going to lose his job is it? The warning is stark from owner so was very helpful of Taylor to say no, players lose jobs Taylor wrings his hands like normal

mate if you ever paid union fees you wasted them if you think its fine for your employer to sanction a wage cut and no consultation... you think those players are losing their jobs ? or do you think Dovers chairman wants these players on the cheap ... my money would be on those not accepting the cut know full well they can get more money elsewhere.. happens every year in the Welsh league

Yes the owner is no different from any businessman wanting to make money on backs of workers and if nessasary sack some to keep profits going? But football as we know is not like any other business.... as for players getting more money elsewhere sounds like good idea in middle of massive cost cutting by clubs and a wage cap likely in div 1 & 2 a move that Taylor strongly apposes... so if owner carries out his threat then dont be surprised to see other owners doing same and all the players need to do is go to their agents and find another club simple really..
Yes paid unison dues for 25 yrs.. they were only useful when I retired...

they were only useful ? ah you experienced a 25% cut in wages at some point and your union stood by and watched..or were they a big part of the reason it does not happen ?.. and no most football club owners at lower level clubs are not making money of their workers.. what they do is over extend to have better teams than the clubs living within their means... . and no its not a sacastic good idea its a fact.... try looking at clubs buying players and dishing contracts out.. including ourselves who are apparently trying to sign a player from a club desperate to reduce its wage bill..i wonder if he will come for wages minus 20% ?

At end day union is suppose to help employees? taylor as said and done sfa to help
anyone other than to say no no no! Anyway when season starts and no fans in stadium for 2months at least let's see how long before a club goes into administration? Players be ok but not so the other staff...... yes pfa as responsibility to represent interests of its members but unfortunately helping them to keep their full wages could and probably mean the end of club which doesn't help anyone does it? And as point of interest lots of workers over the years have taken pay cuts to safeguard jobs so not a new concept

I have been saying this for over a month or so on here - That clubs are going to struggle and some go out of business .

Football clubs whichever division they are in - are no different to other business in how they run and survive

Spot on Tony.

It doesn't help when the pfa refuse to accept players having pay cuts! I posted other day regarding Taylor refusing to sanction cuts it's ok for him and his 3m a year salary...

Allan if the players want to cut their wages then it is up to them there is nothing much that the pfa can do about it. Arsenal players have taken a 12% pay cut to stop 55 staff being sacked, and then the club sacked them anyway. The Arsenal players and nearly all football commentators/pundits are up in the air and having a go at Arsenal

Taken from Wiki but Arsenal FC employes 1125, that is an insane number !!!!

all redundancies are sad, but its sits in the retail and hospitality sector as much as first team performance. They have decided to get rid of their European scouting system which has produced nothing since Ces Fabregas who retired a few seasons ago.

The PFA are right in my eyes. Clubs will have to cut their cloth accordingly in doing so they may only have 18 first teamers and kids instead of two teams of first teamers rather than a across the board reduction and obviously future contracts will be tighter.

I use to do the insurance schemes for both Fulham , Chelsea and Villa Fulham has over 800 staff and both other clubs had near 1000 staff The biggest amount of staff are for match days Full time staff was approx 200 for each club

I'm not sure why people are defending players saying how are they different from any other employees etc.

Take a look around, people are taking hits left right and centre, where I work we have all given up our annual bonus for the good of the company, technically we are entitled to it as it was target driven but knowing the place needs to stay financially on top we have taken agreed to waive it and have been told if possible we will get it next year.

I mean if the place you work is genuinely at the verge of going under you to WHATEVER you can to help don't you.

It will be tough justice if Dover fold and some of these players can't find new Clubs. It's not like the owner is doinh it for shits and giggles, its where we are at

Rv it's not only about players what about the other staff who dont have a golden salary like players do? They get payed even if club goes into administration the girl in office gets a p45? Yes pfa looks after its members but unlike other businesses there generally is not a business where one contract (players) are protected and the other contract (t lady) is worthless if company goes into administration or bust..... to me this stinks of we are alright Jack fck the other employees... what will taylor do if club goes under? Give support yes but that's not paying them wages ! Surely a cut in wages is better than club going bust or is it?....

I'm not sure why people are defending players saying how are they different from any other employees etc.

Take a look around, people are taking hits left right and centre, where I work we have all given up our annual bonus for the good of the company, technically we are entitled to it as it was target driven but knowing the place needs to stay financially on top we have taken agreed to waive it and have been told if possible we will get it next year.

I mean if the place you work is genuinely at the verge of going under you to WHATEVER you can to help don't you.

It will be tough justice if Dover fold and some of these players can't find new Clubs. It's not like the owner is doinh it for shits and giggles, its where we are at

i would imagine Dover havent got these players on contracts because the players are crap... they are not Dover boys and like most players were head hunted by that club with financial incentives which they can now not pay them.. no doubt many of these are being offered more or their original wages elsewhere... its how football is and has always been the Welsh prem and league of Wales clubs are like a giant game of musical chairs every year mostly fueled by money. its not really like your office and a one off bonus... its agreeing a reduction while possibly being able to work and earn more elsewhere for who knows how long while using up a registration in a situation where the club could end up going bust and owing you money ... these players are now free to leave.. and Dover will sign lesser, cheaper , more sustainable players which is maybe what they should have been doing to start with...

I'm not sure why people are defending players saying how are they different from any other employees etc.

Take a look around, people are taking hits left right and centre, where I work we have all given up our annual bonus for the good of the company, technically we are entitled to it as it was target driven but knowing the place needs to stay financially on top we have taken agreed to waive it and have been told if possible we will get it next year.

I mean if the place you work is genuinely at the verge of going under you to WHATEVER you can to help don't you.

It will be tough justice if Dover fold and some of these players can't find new Clubs. It's not like the owner is doinh it for shits and giggles, its where we are at

i would imagine Dover havent got these players on contracts because the players are crap... they are not Dover boys and like most players were head hunted by that club with financial incentives which they can now not pay them.. no doubt many of these are being offered more or their original wages elsewhere... its how football is and has always been the Welsh prem and league of Wales clubs are like a giant game of musical chairs every year mostly fueled by money. its not really like your office and a one off bonus... its agreeing a reduction while possibly being able to work and earn more elsewhere for who knows how long while using up a registration in a situation where the club could end up going bust and owing you money ... these players are now free to leave.. and Dover will sign lesser, cheaper , more sustainable players which is maybe what they should have been doing to start with...

Yes players are free to leave to go to a club that can afford to pay them? Only a couple may be good enough to get a contract but seriously doubt it as most if not all clubs reducing how many players they have... watched an interesting programme last year about players out of contract be surprised how many there are and how many dont find a club once released that situation as become obviously more acute .....you are right probably about dovers owner but footballers are privileged as no matter what happens they get paid even if club let's them go while under contract... but poor tea lady doesn't have that privilege! The argument about pfa looking after its members is correct but there again a club as other workers as well so do players ignore them and say not my problem I want all my money? Pret a manger staff except less hours to safeguard jobs why cant footballers fo similar to safeguard the club? I know about arsenal but players did accept cut but owners just greedy and out touch with fans...

I'm not sure why people are defending players saying how are they different from any other employees etc.

Take a look around, people are taking hits left right and centre, where I work we have all given up our annual bonus for the good of the company, technically we are entitled to it as it was target driven but knowing the place needs to stay financially on top we have taken agreed to waive it and have been told if possible we will get it next year.

I mean if the place you work is genuinely at the verge of going under you to WHATEVER you can to help don't you.

It will be tough justice if Dover fold and some of these players can't find new Clubs. It's not like the owner is doinh it for shits and giggles, its where we are at

i would imagine Dover havent got these players on contracts because the players are crap... they are not Dover boys and like most players were head hunted by that club with financial incentives which they can now not pay them.. no doubt many of these are being offered more or their original wages elsewhere... its how football is and has always been the Welsh prem and league of Wales clubs are like a giant game of musical chairs every year mostly fueled by money. its not really like your office and a one off bonus... its agreeing a reduction while possibly being able to work and earn more elsewhere for who knows how long while using up a registration in a situation where the club could end up going bust and owing you money ... these players are now free to leave.. and Dover will sign lesser, cheaper , more sustainable players which is maybe what they should have been doing to start with...

Well no, they are unable to pay the full amount, at the moment, as we are in global pandemic. Refusing to accept any form of reduction or deffereal is just stupid. Its exactly the same as my office situation as if we didn't accept the deferral of the bonus then the company might not have survived, in the same way as if the Dover players don't take a deferral Dover might fold.

If I was asked to take a 20% reduction on my wages for 3-6 months it would be far from ideal but I'd do it if it meant I could keep my job and hopefully see out this current situation we are in, I wouldn't fancy risking it looking to call my bosses bluff thinking I'll walk into another job tomorow, cos I know I won't, not right now and it's the same for Footballers.

In a normal situation I would agree with you that the Dover players would just go and get contracts elsewhere but not in these times they won't, one or two might and the rest will be in the job center and feeling stupid by Christmas.

I'm not sure why people are defending players saying how are they different from any other employees etc.

Take a look around, people are taking hits left right and centre, where I work we have all given up our annual bonus for the good of the company, technically we are entitled to it as it was target driven but knowing the place needs to stay financially on top we have taken agreed to waive it and have been told if possible we will get it next year.

I mean if the place you work is genuinely at the verge of going under you to WHATEVER you can to help don't you.

It will be tough justice if Dover fold and some of these players can't find new Clubs. It's not like the owner is doinh it for shits and giggles, its where we are at

i would imagine Dover havent got these players on contracts because the players are crap... they are not Dover boys and like most players were head hunted by that club with financial incentives which they can now not pay them.. no doubt many of these are being offered more or their original wages elsewhere... its how football is and has always been the Welsh prem and league of Wales clubs are like a giant game of musical chairs every year mostly fueled by money. its not really like your office and a one off bonus... its agreeing a reduction while possibly being able to work and earn more elsewhere for who knows how long while using up a registration in a situation where the club could end up going bust and owing you money ... these players are now free to leave.. and Dover will sign lesser, cheaper , more sustainable players which is maybe what they should have been doing to start with...

Yes players are free to leave to go to a club that can afford to pay them? Only a couple may be good enough to get a contract but seriously doubt it as most if not all clubs reducing how many players they have... watched an interesting programme last year about players out of contract be surprised how many there are and how many dont find a club once released that situation as become obviously more acute .....you are right probably about dovers owner but footballers are privileged as no matter what happens they get paid even if club let's them go while under contract... but poor tea lady doesn't have that privilege! The argument about pfa looking after its members is correct but there again a club as other workers as well so do players ignore them and say not my problem I want all my money? Pret a manger staff except less hours to safeguard jobs why cant footballers fo similar to safeguard the club? I know about arsenal but players did accept cut but owners just greedy and out touch with fans...

are you not reading any other football articles ? ..yes they will b good enough to get contracts elsewhere and yes all clubs of all sizes are training and prepping for the coming season which includes assembling squads..

I'm not sure why people are defending players saying how are they different from any other employees etc.

Take a look around, people are taking hits left right and centre, where I work we have all given up our annual bonus for the good of the company, technically we are entitled to it as it was target driven but knowing the place needs to stay financially on top we have taken agreed to waive it and have been told if possible we will get it next year.

I mean if the place you work is genuinely at the verge of going under you to WHATEVER you can to help don't you.

It will be tough justice if Dover fold and some of these players can't find new Clubs. It's not like the owner is doinh it for shits and giggles, its where we are at

i would imagine Dover havent got these players on contracts because the players are crap... they are not Dover boys and like most players were head hunted by that club with financial incentives which they can now not pay them.. no doubt many of these are being offered more or their original wages elsewhere... its how football is and has always been the Welsh prem and league of Wales clubs are like a giant game of musical chairs every year mostly fueled by money. its not really like your office and a one off bonus... its agreeing a reduction while possibly being able to work and earn more elsewhere for who knows how long while using up a registration in a situation where the club could end up going bust and owing you money ... these players are now free to leave.. and Dover will sign lesser, cheaper , more sustainable players which is maybe what they should have been doing to start with...

Well no, they are unable to pay the full amount, at the moment, as we are in global pandemic. Refusing to accept any form of reduction or deffereal is just stupid. Its exactly the same as my office situation as if we didn't accept the deferral of the bonus then the company might not have survived, in the same way as if the Dover players don't take a deferral Dover might fold.

If I was asked to take a 20% reduction on my wages for 3-6 months it would be far from ideal but I'd do it if it meant I could keep my job and hopefully see out this current situation we are in, I wouldn't fancy risking it looking to call my bosses bluff thinking I'll walk into another job tomorow, cos I know I won't, not right now and it's the same for Footballers.

In a normal situation I would agree with you that the Dover players would just go and get contracts elsewhere but not in these times they won't, one or two might and the rest will be in the job center and feeling stupid by Christmas.

no its not your office, well not unless you have a contract where at the end of a relatively short term it ends ...if you are in that situation , stupid would be to accept being tied to it at a lower rate for 3 to 6 months which might turn into the length of that contract at the same time as not being able to leave for a better paid job at a more stable company because your under contract .. in effect the employers in this case have now allowed players to go elsewhere.. those that do will lighten the wage bill.. will add, i wonder if those out of contract in june but not featuring of late or wanted have been offered these new contracts or is it a one way street..