George Floyd what is the view now after new video ?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/ ... prise-you/

Has anyone seen the 8 minute video from the body cam of the police ? Put a whole new perspective on it and I firmly believe when the time is right all charges will be dropped on the police that were there. This whole thing was set up after this incident solely to start a race war.

But some will say we saw the police kill him ? Well no you didn’t as asphyxiation wasn't a cause of death. Nobody knows how much pressure was put on his neck. But the counter to that was Floyd was saying he couldn’t breath. Well when they tried to put him in the car before this he was shouting then he couldn’t breath.
In short there wasn’t any police brutality. And in his autopsy it was found not only was he off his head with drugs he also had Covid. Now there was a few Autopsies one arranged by the family of Floyd and they all say the same.
But to our players please keep the knee for your hero.



https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/ ... prise-you/

Has anyone seen the 8 minute video from the body cam of the police ? Put a whole new perspective on it and I firmly believe when the time is right all charges will be dropped on the police that were there. This whole thing was set up after this incident solely to start a race war.
But some will say we saw the police kill him ? Well no you didn’t as asphyxiation wasn't a cause of death. Nobody knows how much pressure was put on his neck. But the counter to that was Floyd was saying he couldn’t breath. Well when they tried to put him in the car before this he was shouting then he couldn’t breath.
In short there wasn’t any police brutality. And in his autopsy it was found not only was he off his head with drugs he also had Covid. Now there was a few Autopsies one arranged by the family of Floyd and they all say the same.
But to our players please keep the knee for your hero.

link...

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/ ... prise-you/

Sure in his first thread I posted the link to earlier footage. Still can’t see the main copper getting off now just because of all the shit it would cause.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/ ... prise-you/

I really should show restraint and not get involved in these conversations but.....haha. Nukes, you're a good man and I like you alot but I have disagree with you on this subject.

Whatever happened beforehand, the context to what happened, it's still disgustingly wrong that a man had his life taken from him by another man who was kneeling on his neck....end of story.

If the situation was this, it kicks off outside a Swansea v Cardiff game, a drug dealing Cardiff City fan starts fighting and a policeman does exactly the same thing to him. Can you imagine the uproar on here??

The only difference would be that it wouldn't be linked to "us and them" politics. George Floyd was black and started to make people aware of racial inequality, very rightly in my eyes.

It's no threat to me as white man, people that have been enslaved and mistreated for years are asking for the same treatment as everyone else.

Take emotion out of it, take the media spin out of it and take the "oh but there are bad black men so they don't deserve equality" out of it and on a basic human level I don't see how anyone can have an issue with racism being addressed.

Some of the comments on here have made me embarrassed to be a Cardiff fan, imagine Mendez Lang or Hoilett or a black city player reading them.

The day we get rid of this , us and them, rubbish will be a good day.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/ ... prise-you/

Floyd’s case isn’t about his resisting arrest; it’s about what happened after the cops got him under control.

This week, the Daily Mail managed to get its hands on some previously unreleased body-camera footage of George Floyd’s arrest. Some found that it changed their perception of the incident. Most notably, my former American Conservative colleague Rod Dreher wrote a lightning-rod blog post in which he contended that “George Floyd is dead today almost entirely because of George Floyd.”

The video does clarify some things, especially the precise degree to which Floyd resisted arrest. But I would urge anyone whose mind changed dramatically upon watching it to ask themselves: Why does it surprise you that Floyd resisted arrest? And why does it change your view of how the cops behaved in a completely different part of the encounter?

In reality, nothing in the video is all that unexpected, and nothing in it changes the fact that law-enforcement officers kept a handcuffed, obviously unwell man face down, with a knee on his neck, for about eight minutes, including two minutes after they failed to find a pulse. The second-degree-murder charge against Derek Chauvin is likely a stretch, as Andy McCarthy detailed back in June, but the other options available to the jury — third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter — remain entirely plausible.

This all began when the police received a call alleging that Floyd had tried to pass a counterfeit $20 bill and seemed inebriated. In the new video, we see an officer approach Floyd’s car and rap on the driver’s-side window with a flashlight. Floyd opens the door. The officer repeatedly instructs Floyd to show his hands, but Floyd delays and argues instead, prompting the cop to draw his pistol and point it at Floyd. (If an officer asks to see your hands, he wants to make sure there isn’t a gun in them, so show him your hands.) Floyd then becomes even more agitated, and a long scene follows in which the police get Floyd out of the car, handcuff him, try to put him in a police vehicle while he resists, and then — after he says he wants to lie down — apparently start to put him on the ground. Floyd never becomes violent in the sense of directly attacking the officers, but he certainly resists arrest and acts bizarrely.

Now, until this video came out, we didn’t know for sure the extent to which Floyd resisted arrest. But the only way it could surprise you that he resisted is if you dismissed or didn’t read what the police reports said from the beginning, preferring instead to buy into other testimony that claimed he hadn’t resisted at all and the escalation of the incident was 100 percent the fault of the cops. (Even in the document that introduced a new second-degree-murder charge against Chauvin, prosecutors noted that the cops had to try to “force” Floyd into their car and that Floyd “stiffened up and fell to the ground.”) In a later post, Dreher admitted that he “didn’t go looking for” additional information about the case before. “I assumed the Narrative — white cops torture black suspect to death — was true, or mostly true. We had video, did we not?”

Uncritical acceptance of one-sided tales before all the information is available is what brought us the “hands up, don’t shoot” canard five years ago, and apparently it was widespread in the Floyd case too. In the former ordeal, the narrative obscured the fact that the shooting was outright justified. But in this one, it’s distracting us from the real issue, which is what the cops did after they got Floyd under control.

We knew what had happened during that period of time even before the new video’s release. The key facts are still the same, and thus the case against Chauvin and the other officers is still the same, too. Holding someone in a prone position, especially with pressure to the neck or chest, is well-known to be dangerous, particularly when the suspect has health problems; after using a prone restraint to gain control of a suspect, police are generally trained to move the arrestee to a “recovery position” on their side to prevent medical complications. A 2013 settlement required the Minneapolis Police Department to better educate cops about the dangers of improper restraints, and while there are conflicting accounts of how well that was implemented, an MPD official has said that both Chauvin and another officer at the scene were trained to transition suspects to the recovery position. Additionally, at the time of the arrest, the department’s policy manual allowed neck restraints only in specific circumstances: Officers could use “conscious neck restraints” on suspects who were “actively resisting,” and could deliberately render a suspect unconscious only if it was necessary to gain control of him or save a life. (The policy has since been changed to ban neck restraints entirely.)

The likely defenses haven’t changed much either. It beggars belief that Floyd just happened to die during the eight minutes he was being knelt on, and both of Floyd’s autopsies pointed to the police restraint as a contributor to his death while ruling it a homicide, but the defense will obviously note that Floyd had dangerous drugs in his system and heart problems.

It’s also possible the officers could point to their training on how to deal with suspects suffering from “excited delirium,” but the details on that are murky at this point. Excited delirium is a controversial diagnosis of people who die, often but not always in police custody, after exhibiting bizarre behaviors and even “superhuman strength.”
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Some of Chauvin’s defenders have pointed to a 2009 white paper produced by the American College of Emergency Physicians that the Minneapolis Office of Police Conduct Review attached to a 2018 report about the use of ketamine to pacify suspects. The white paper does say that people suffering from the condition should be restrained — “minimize the time spent struggling, while safely achieving physical control” — but it doesn’t say which restraints to use or avoid, and several of the sources the paper cites raise concerns about prone restraints (especially hog-tying and hobble restraints). It also says that medical personnel “should ideally be present and prepared to resuscitate before definitive LEO [law-enforcement officer] control measures are initiated.”
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Certainly this obscure paper doesn’t override the official policies of the MPD or the training the officers received, but it’s not as if we have a complete accounting of what these cops were taught — and conversations that occurred during the arrest itself only confuse the question. The officers mention the possibility of using a hobble restraint, which ties a suspect’s feet to his waist and is discussed in the department’s policy manual as a way to control difficult suspects, though the manual makes clear that a hobbled suspect should be moved to the recovery position as soon as possible. An officer worried about “excited delirium or whatever” also suggests moving Floyd to his side, but Chauvin declines.

The bottom line, I think, is that it’s going to be hard to acquit someone who knelt on a subdued suspect until the suspect apparently lost his pulse, and then kept kneeling for a little while longer. But the key questions hinge on the eight minutes we already knew about, not the eight additional minutes the Daily Mail uncovered.

Reading the replies on here but not only is there this video but the autopsy report which shows he did not die from the knee on the neck. So how can he be charged with murder ?
But also it brings into question is the racially motivated !! When there was a mixture of race with the police officers involved. Now I do wonder would this incident have made the headlines if it was the Black or Asian officer had his knee on Floyds neck ?

And how would Hoilett feel if they have read the threads on covering these stories ? Well it is clear Hoilett supports Black supremacy or he just don’t know what that Black fist pump represents.

Also you can’t keep a man in prison for murder when the Autopsy showed he didn’t kill him just to keep the peace. Well not much peace is happening is it ?
Black people are dying including children because of BLM and Antifa who many seem to think are a peaceful group that want to see in change. Yes they want to see in change but not the change most would want to see in the slightest.

White supremacy and Black supremacy is both evil but not seen as the same by many and ignored when footballers do it. Did we have a problem with race before ? Not really!! the only tensions to race is started by politicians and one true virus out there the media. The media are the ones that keep racism alive and kicking with there deceitful lies to keep the stories rolling. But in short if you banned the media for six months you watch racism disappear.

Has anyone seen the 8 minute video from the body cam of the police ? Put a whole new perspective on it and I firmly believe when the time is right all charges will be dropped on the police that were there. This whole thing was set up after this incident solely to start a race war.
But some will say we saw the police kill him ? Well no you didn’t as asphyxiation wasn't a cause of death. Nobody knows how much pressure was put on his neck. But the counter to that was Floyd was saying he couldn’t breath. Well when they tried to put him in the car before this he was shouting then he couldn’t breath.
In short there wasn’t any police brutality. And in his autopsy it was found not only was he off his head with drugs he also had Covid. Now there was a few Autopsies one arranged by the family of Floyd and they all say the same.
But to our players please keep the knee for your hero.

I watched that video, and what on earth does it have to do with the original video that shows the officer kneeling on his neck? If you didn’t know he was resisting arrest back when it was the main news then you must’ve not paid attention to it as much as you say. It was common knowledge he resisted arrest especially with the original video showing him resisting at the start of it.

All this new video has done is shown context to why he resisted arrest. He was immediately unstable when the officers first plan of action was to aim his pistol directly at Floyd. He then urges the officer not to shoot, having been shot before (confirmed by the woman friend/ someone who knows him on the sidewalk).

Because of the initial first impression of the officer aiming a pistol straight at him, he’s understandably not thinking straight and being erratic. As the officer tries to put him in the car, George Floyd says he’s claustrophobic and doesn’t want to be out in the backseat where there’s small space. Again, another understandable reason for him to panic and explains his erratic behaviour.

I don’t think you can criticise ANYBODY for how they act when immediately having a gun pointed at you, especially with the reputation police have always had in America against black people. I don’t understand how anybody can think this new video provides a “new perspective”, what happens in this video is nothing that isn’t obvious, and it’s just a man panicking and not thinking straight after having a gun pointed at him.

I’m sorry but I have to question your morality and character if you genuinely think this video justifies the old 10 minute video of what transpired after this.

That’s as tame as I’ll be about replying to the stupid comments implying this has some sort of new perspective for you, I’m so disappointed that people can still think what happened to Floyd is justified with this one video, and as Mourinho once said, “if I speak I’m in trouble”

Nothing justifies the killing of George Floyd, and if you have read the report that I posted with the video it does not justify it!

The facts are the police were heavy handed but how can they be charged with murder when the kneeling on the neck didn't kill him ? Going to kick off over there again when the trials start as I think they will not get convicted of murder

Spoonclanks analysis is pretty good:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/zWOGYxV9Tek/

The facts are the police were heavy handed but how can they be charged with murder when the kneeling on the neck didn't kill him ? Going to kick off over there again when the trials start as I think they will not get convicted of murder

Tend to agree but the authorities will not want a LA Riot scenario again. I think they will charge the cops with murder.

The facts are the police were heavy handed but how can they be charged with murder when the kneeling on the neck didn't kill him ? Going to kick off over there again when the trials start as I think they will not get convicted of murder

Tend to agree but the authorities will not want a LA Riot scenario again. I think they will charge the cops with murder.

Exactly. Anybody who thinks the police officer will get away with it are deluded

The facts are the police were heavy handed but how can they be charged with murder when the kneeling on the neck didn't kill him ? Going to kick off over there again when the trials start as I think they will not get convicted of murder

The kneeling on his neck wasn't the direct cause of death but it was a contributory factor. A Jury would have to ask themselves would George Floyd have lived if the Police hadn't knelt on his neck?

The answer would be yes beyond doubt because when initially approached by the Police GF showed no signs that he was dying due to the drugs, alcohol or Covid in his system.

However, once his airways were restricted he was in mortal danger and the Police Officer showed extreme negligence by ignoring GF warnings that he couldn't breath and leaving his knee in place for 2 minutes longer after the officers failed to find a pulse.

The Police Officer won't be found guilty of first degree murder but he should be found guilty of the American version of negligent manslaughter and frankly IMO he should face the minimum of 10 to 15 years in prison.

The facts are the police were heavy handed but how can they be charged with murder when the kneeling on the neck didn't kill him ? Going to kick off over there again when the trials start as I think they will not get convicted of murder

Tend to agree but the authorities will not want a LA Riot scenario again. I think they will charge the cops with murder.

Exactly. Anybody who thinks the police officer will get away with it are deluded

I would agree there is no real evidence that the police officer committed first degree murder (i.e. he had a premeditated plan to kill GF) and he should be cleared of that charge.

But as stated above he should be found guilty of negligent manslaughter and the evidence exists to bring that conviction.

The facts are the police were heavy handed but how can they be charged with murder when the kneeling on the neck didn't kill him ? Going to kick off over there again when the trials start as I think they will not get convicted of murder

Tend to agree but the authorities will not want a LA Riot scenario again. I think they will charge the cops with murder.

Whatever the verdict there will be riots.

Whatever happens everyone will suffer.

There will be a total lack of people wishing to join the Police and other Emergency services.

We now have para military organisations walking the streets of London (FF) showing off their so called power. It’s a hell of a downward spiral and will get worse. The woke’s appear to be winning where has common sense gone!

We have always been equal and everyone of us has probably suffered from being bullied, over looked and the rest in our life time but we shrug our shoulders and move on.

This new, so called generation wants it all straight away without any effort by the look of it.

It won’t be long before the Police instead of running to an incident quietly go the other way! Then where will law and order be?

Lastly the treatment of Floyd was totally wrong but I’d still like to hear the thoughts of the people he made victims during his Criminality.

I really should show restraint and not get involved in these conversations but.....haha. Nukes, you're a good man and I like you alot but I have disagree with you on this subject.

Whatever happened beforehand, the context to what happened, it's still disgustingly wrong that a man had his life taken from him by another man who was kneeling on his neck....end of story.

If the situation was this, it kicks off outside a Swansea v Cardiff game, a drug dealing Cardiff City fan starts fighting and a policeman does exactly the same thing to him. Can you imagine the uproar on here??

The only difference would be that it wouldn't be linked to "us and them" politics. George Floyd was black and started to make people aware of racial inequality, very rightly in my eyes.

It's no threat to me as white man, people that have been enslaved and mistreated for years are asking for the same treatment as everyone else.

Take emotion out of it, take the media spin out of it and take the "oh but there are bad black men so they don't deserve equality" out of it and on a basic human level I don't see how anyone can have an issue with racism being addressed.

Some of the comments on here have made me embarrassed to be a Cardiff fan, imagine Mendez Lang or Hoilett or a black city player reading them.

The day we get rid of this , us and them, rubbish will be a good day.

I sort of agree with you.
There were Cardiff fans video’d throwing chairs and generally being tits around families out shopping away to Chelsea years back. They went down and the uproar from Cardiff was akin.

Everyone gets emotional when it’s their own.

The facts are the police were heavy handed but how can they be charged with murder when the kneeling on the neck didn't kill him ? Going to kick off over there again when the trials start as I think they will not get convicted of murder

Tend to agree but the authorities will not want a LA Riot scenario again. I think they will charge the cops with murder.

Exactly. Anybody who thinks the police officer will get away with it are deluded

agree, zero chance of having a fair trial..

Good on you Nukes but that BLM terrorist bunch would only have found another vehicle to peddle their hatred of all things white or historical.

Good on you Nukes but that BLM terrorist bunch would only have found another vehicle to peddle their hatred of all things white or historical.

The historical point (especially around statutes) is once again one that people pick and choose when it suits their agenda. When they took down the Michael Jackson statue at Fulham did you say, "oh but his paedophilia was history, it has to stay". Once again people are blinded by their hatred.

I really should show restraint and not get involved in these conversations but.....haha. Nukes, you're a good man and I like you alot but I have disagree with you on this subject.

Whatever happened beforehand, the context to what happened, it's still disgustingly wrong that a man had his life taken from him by another man who was kneeling on his neck....end of story.

If the situation was this, it kicks off outside a Swansea v Cardiff game, a drug dealing Cardiff City fan starts fighting and a policeman does exactly the same thing to him. Can you imagine the uproar on here??

The only difference would be that it wouldn't be linked to "us and them" politics. George Floyd was black and started to make people aware of racial inequality, very rightly in my eyes.

It's no threat to me as white man, people that have been enslaved and mistreated for years are asking for the same treatment as everyone else.

Take emotion out of it, take the media spin out of it and take the "oh but there are bad black men so they don't deserve equality" out of it and on a basic human level I don't see how anyone can have an issue with racism being addressed.

Some of the comments on here have made me embarrassed to be a Cardiff fan, imagine Mendez Lang or Hoilett or a black city player reading them.

The day we get rid of this , us and them, rubbish will be a good day.

the only them and us politics ive seen has come from BLM and people like yourself.. football ? seen lots of miss behaviour and lots of resisting arrest.. lots of being overpowered by police and held on the deck , and lots of i cant breathe, ive got asthma , the cuffs are to tight , your breaking my arm , im claustrophobic.etc etc etc.. { the latest,which i havent witnessed but has been reported enough is ive got covid } .. also seen it on Saturday nights in town and even with a couple of really feisty shop lifters... if you havent ..well turn the TV on , radio on or . read the papers.. as for nml and hoilett..if they are normal intelligent level headed people they too will have read some of the stats that have been on here , checked them out ... and are now wondering what planet you live on/.... your mate thinking its understandable to not show your hands to a police officer { they get shot quite often too } holding a gun , especially when your known to them as a violent criminal and have just been accused of committing an offence.. ..must be completely off his rocker.. understandable behaviour is yes sir no sir 3 bags full sir..im no threat sir here are my hands...i havent got my gun with me sir..

The historical point (especially around statutes) is once again one that people pick and choose when it suits their agenda. When they took down the Michael Jackson statue at Fulham did you say, "oh but his paedophilia was history, it has to stay". Once again people are blinded by their hatred.

Historically Michael Jackson was never convicted of paedophilia, he stood trail and was acquitted on all 12 (I think) accounts he was accused of.

Therefore your analogy above doesn't really work.

The historical point (especially around statutes) is once again one that people pick and choose when it suits their agenda. When they took down the Michael Jackson statue at Fulham did you say, "oh but his paedophilia was history, it has to stay". Once again people are blinded by their hatred.

Historically Michael Jackson was never convicted of paedophilia, he stood trail and was acquitted on all 12 (I think) accounts he was accused of.

Therefore your analogy above doesn't really work.

what on earth did he have to do with Fulham anyway ?

but as for what people said when the statue came down..id imagine most did not even know..

The historical point (especially around statutes) is once again one that people pick and choose when it suits their agenda. When they took down the Michael Jackson statue at Fulham did you say, "oh but his paedophilia was history, it has to stay". Once again people are blinded by their hatred.

Historically Michael Jackson was never convicted of paedophilia, he stood trail and was acquitted on all 12 (I think) accounts he was accused of.

Therefore your analogy above doesn't really work.

It does work as it was taken down because of the foul taste still hanging around due to the allegations that continued to come thick and fast. That's my point, at the time the people who are so viemently defending slaver statutes being taken down would have said nothing about the Jackson statue.

It seems like it's pointless trying to debate this anyway as people have already made their minds up.

I really should show restraint and not get involved in these conversations but.....haha. Nukes, you're a good man and I like you alot but I have disagree with you on this subject.

Whatever happened beforehand, the context to what happened, it's still disgustingly wrong that a man had his life taken from him by another man who was kneeling on his neck....end of story.

If the situation was this, it kicks off outside a Swansea v Cardiff game, a drug dealing Cardiff City fan starts fighting and a policeman does exactly the same thing to him. Can you imagine the uproar on here??

The only difference would be that it wouldn't be linked to "us and them" politics. George Floyd was black and started to make people aware of racial inequality, very rightly in my eyes.

It's no threat to me as white man, people that have been enslaved and mistreated for years are asking for the same treatment as everyone else.

Take emotion out of it, take the media spin out of it and take the "oh but there are bad black men so they don't deserve equality" out of it and on a basic human level I don't see how anyone can have an issue with racism being addressed.

Some of the comments on here have made me embarrassed to be a Cardiff fan, imagine Mendez Lang or Hoilett or a black city player reading them.

The day we get rid of this , us and them, rubbish will be a good day.

the only them and us politics ive seen has come from BLM and people like yourself.. football ? seen lots of miss behaviour and lots of resisting arrest.. lots of being overpowered by police and held on the deck , and lots of i cant breathe, ive got asthma , the cuffs are to tight , your breaking my arm , im claustrophobic.etc etc etc.. { the latest,which i havent witnessed but has been reported enough is ive got covid } .. also seen it on Saturday nights in town and even with a couple of really feisty shop lifters... if you havent ..well turn the TV on , radio on or . read the papers.. as for nml and hoilett..if they are normal intelligent level headed people they too will have read some of the stats that have been on here , checked them out ... and are now wondering what planet you live on/.... your mate thinking its understandable to not show your hands to a police officer { they get shot quite often too } holding a gun , especially when your known to them as a violent criminal and have just been accused of committing an offence.. ..must be completely off his rocker.. understandable behaviour is yes sir no sir 3 bags full sir..im no threat sir here are my hands...i havent got my gun with me sir..

Please give me an example of the "us and them" coming from me?

The historical point (especially around statutes) is once again one that people pick and choose when it suits their agenda. When they took down the Michael Jackson statue at Fulham did you say, "oh but his paedophilia was history, it has to stay". Once again people are blinded by their hatred.

Historically Michael Jackson was never convicted of paedophilia, he stood trail and was acquitted on all 12 (I think) accounts he was accused of.

Therefore your analogy above doesn't really work.

It does work as it was taken down because of the foul taste still hanging around due to the allegations that continued to come thick and fast. That's my point, at the time the people who are so viemently defending slaver statutes being taken down would have said nothing about the Jackson statue.

It seems like it's pointless trying to debate this anyway as people have already made their minds up.

The previous owner put the statute up because he was a fan and a friend of Michael Jackson. Most Fulham fans did not like it. I may be wrong but believe the reason it was taken down was nothing to do with the allegations, it was simply that when the new owner came in he listened to the fans because it had nothing to do with Fulham

I really should show restraint and not get involved in these conversations but.....haha. Nukes, you're a good man and I like you alot but I have disagree with you on this subject.

Whatever happened beforehand, the context to what happened, it's still disgustingly wrong that a man had his life taken from him by another man who was kneeling on his neck....end of story.

If the situation was this, it kicks off outside a Swansea v Cardiff game, a drug dealing Cardiff City fan starts fighting and a policeman does exactly the same thing to him. Can you imagine the uproar on here??

The only difference would be that it wouldn't be linked to "us and them" politics. George Floyd was black and started to make people aware of racial inequality, very rightly in my eyes.

It's no threat to me as white man, people that have been enslaved and mistreated for years are asking for the same treatment as everyone else.

Take emotion out of it, take the media spin out of it and take the "oh but there are bad black men so they don't deserve equality" out of it and on a basic human level I don't see how anyone can have an issue with racism being addressed.

Some of the comments on here have made me embarrassed to be a Cardiff fan, imagine Mendez Lang or Hoilett or a black city player reading them.

The day we get rid of this , us and them, rubbish will be a good day.

You think Floyd was the one who first made people aware of racial inequality?
Who living in the West today has been enslaved or mistreated for years?
Who’s said black people don’t deserve equality.
Specifically what racism isn’t being addressed.

I really should show restraint and not get involved in these conversations but.....haha. Nukes, you're a good man and I like you alot but I have disagree with you on this subject.

Whatever happened beforehand, the context to what happened, it's still disgustingly wrong that a man had his life taken from him by another man who was kneeling on his neck....end of story.

If the situation was this, it kicks off outside a Swansea v Cardiff game, a drug dealing Cardiff City fan starts fighting and a policeman does exactly the same thing to him. Can you imagine the uproar on here??

The only difference would be that it wouldn't be linked to "us and them" politics. George Floyd was black and started to make people aware of racial inequality, very rightly in my eyes.

It's no threat to me as white man, people that have been enslaved and mistreated for years are asking for the same treatment as everyone else.

Take emotion out of it, take the media spin out of it and take the "oh but there are bad black men so they don't deserve equality" out of it and on a basic human level I don't see how anyone can have an issue with racism being addressed.

Some of the comments on here have made me embarrassed to be a Cardiff fan, imagine Mendez Lang or Hoilett or a black city player reading them.

The day we get rid of this , us and them, rubbish will be a good day.

the only them and us politics ive seen has come from BLM and people like yourself.. football ? seen lots of miss behaviour and lots of resisting arrest.. lots of being overpowered by police and held on the deck , and lots of i cant breathe, ive got asthma , the cuffs are to tight , your breaking my arm , im claustrophobic.etc etc etc.. { the latest,which i havent witnessed but has been reported enough is ive got covid } .. also seen it on Saturday nights in town and even with a couple of really feisty shop lifters... if you havent ..well turn the TV on , radio on or . read the papers.. as for nml and hoilett..if they are normal intelligent level headed people they too will have read some of the stats that have been on here , checked them out ... and are now wondering what planet you live on/.... your mate thinking its understandable to not show your hands to a police officer { they get shot quite often too } holding a gun , especially when your known to them as a violent criminal and have just been accused of committing an offence.. ..must be completely off his rocker.. understandable behaviour is yes sir no sir 3 bags full sir..im no threat sir here are my hands...i havent got my gun with me sir..

Please give me an example of the "us and them" coming from me?

its the very last line in your post

I really should show restraint and not get involved in these conversations but.....haha. Nukes, you're a good man and I like you alot but I have disagree with you on this subject.

Whatever happened beforehand, the context to what happened, it's still disgustingly wrong that a man had his life taken from him by another man who was kneeling on his neck....end of story.

If the situation was this, it kicks off outside a Swansea v Cardiff game, a drug dealing Cardiff City fan starts fighting and a policeman does exactly the same thing to him. Can you imagine the uproar on here??

The only difference would be that it wouldn't be linked to "us and them" politics. George Floyd was black and started to make people aware of racial inequality, very rightly in my eyes.

It's no threat to me as white man, people that have been enslaved and mistreated for years are asking for the same treatment as everyone else.

Take emotion out of it, take the media spin out of it and take the "oh but there are bad black men so they don't deserve equality" out of it and on a basic human level I don't see how anyone can have an issue with racism being addressed.

Some of the comments on here have made me embarrassed to be a Cardiff fan, imagine Mendez Lang or Hoilett or a black city player reading them.

The day we get rid of this , us and them, rubbish will be a good day.

You think Floyd was the one who first made people aware of racial inequality?
Who living in the West today has been enslaved or mistreated for years?
Who’s said black people don’t deserve equality.
Specifically what racism isn’t being addressed.

he must mean me.. I've been enslaved by the Govt, and mistreated by women for years. It needs addressing.

The Autopsy report

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