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Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:09 pm
I read that the millionaire boss of Pimlico plumbing, Charlie Mullins, is sacking employees refusing to return to work.
Right or wrong, how many other employers will follow suit?
Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:17 pm
Unbelievable haircut he has also
Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:23 pm
Whilst nothing is black and white at the moment, unless people have a genuine reason why they can't return to work then ultimately I don't suppose he has much choice but to sack them, even more so as Furlough comes to an end.
Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:35 pm
Actually, having read what he said I think he's right.
Furlough is/was to protect people's jobs who physically couldn't work, if he made made his business covid secure and people still won't return then he's within his rights to sack them in my opinion as he needs to protect his business and employ other staff who can the do the roles.
Obviously there will be genuine exceptions to the rule but ultimately if your employer needs you and its safe you should be working.
Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:50 pm
RV Casual wrote:Actually, having read what he said I think he's right.
Furlough is/was to protect people's jobs who physically couldn't work, if he made made his business covid secure and people still won't return then he's within his rights to sack them in my opinion as he needs to protect his business and employ other staff who can the do the roles.
Obviously there will be genuine exceptions to the rule but ultimately if your employer needs you and its safe you should be working.
Its happening all over the place people saying not safe to go back to work mainly because they are getting paid to stay home and corvid is great excuse. .. local company as got rid of such people just cannot afford to pay people for not working when they can..
Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:43 pm
Number of furloughed workers rises to 9.6 million
The UK government has so far covered the wages of 9.6 million jobs - and, as of 2 August, the number was continuing to increase, according to new figures.
HMRC data published today shows that 1.2 million employers have placed staff on furlough via the government's coronavirus job retention scheme, at a total cost of £33.8bn to the Treasury.
Self-employed workers have made 2.7 million claims for income support in total, at a cost of £7.8bn.
Meanwhile, 73,089 premises have so far signed up to the "Eat Out to Help Out" scheme - which allows diners to get 50% off their bill as the government encourages a return to cafes, pubs and restaurants.
Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:26 pm
No "cure" for covid. Furlough ended . Return to work or not?
Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:39 pm
Valley Blue wrote:No "cure" for covid. Furlough ended . Return to work or not?
Well cant Stay on paid holiday indefinitely as some people would like! So its work or job centre that is the simple choice...
Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:12 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Valley Blue wrote:No "cure" for covid. Furlough ended . Return to work or not?
Well cant Stay on paid holiday indefinitely as some people would like! So its work or job centre that is the simple choice...

A legal paid holiday.
As Rab C Nesbitt said....get to work
Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:38 pm
Gov - Playing with Numbers
Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:36 pm
TopCat CCFC wrote:Number of furloughed workers rises to 9.6 million
The UK government has so far covered the wages of 9.6 million jobs - and, as of 2 August, the number was continuing to increase, according to new figures.
HMRC data published today shows that 1.2 million employers have placed staff on furlough via the government's coronavirus job retention scheme, at a total cost of £33.8bn to the Treasury.
Self-employed workers have made 2.7 million claims for income support in total, at a cost of £7.8bn.
Meanwhile, 73,089 premises have so far signed up to the "Eat Out to Help Out" scheme - which allows diners to get 50% off their bill as the government encourages a return to cafes, pubs and restaurants.
There is no way the number of furloughed people is increasing at present.
Virtually everyone I knew that were furloughed are now back in work
Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:41 pm
Unless you have a genuine health problem and it would be dangerous for you to go back to work then you should go back
If you refuse then it’s on your bike to the job centre
All this nonsense about maybe not been able to social distance 100% in offices, got no sympathy for them I’m afraid
Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:43 am
Valley Blue wrote:No "cure" for covid. Furlough ended . Return to work or not?
there was no cure or option to be furloughed for the 7 million worked right through. or were many of these jobs particularly covid secure... people should have been unfurloughed months ago ..
Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:53 am
skidemin wrote:Valley Blue wrote:No "cure" for covid. Furlough ended . Return to work or not?
there was no cure or option to be furloughed for the 7 million worked right through. or were many of these jobs particularly covid secure... people should have been unfurloughed months ago ..
Totally agree, the whole furloughed system was flawed
People working in hospitals, care homes, supermarkets, transport, lorry drivers etc etc had no option but to put their health at risk and work all the way through.
Yet people who worked worked in the much, much safer environments of offices, factories, building sites and many other places were furloughed at the tax payers expense many of them on full pay for 3/4/5 months.
How is that fair??
People who were furloughed in my opinion should pay extra taxes to at least start to repay their”free” wages
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:02 am
It should have been job sector-specific, so many companies and individuals took advantage and put staff on furlough because it was more cost-effective.
Maybe two months for all business's and then only business's that weren't allowed to open, like Pubs and theatres, it's not their fault if they are not allowed to open, but the day the business's had the go-ahead to reopen furlough should have been stopped.
it has caused a lot of resentment, from people who had to work right through, some furloughed people telling them how nice the weather was in May in the garden didn't help, I'm sure.
Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:46 am
Bluebina wrote:It should have been job sector-specific, so many companies and individuals took advantage and put staff on furlough because it was more cost-effective.
Maybe two months for all business's and then only business's that weren't allowed to open, like Pubs and theatres, it's not their fault if they are not allowed to open, but the day the business's had the go-ahead to reopen furlough should have been stopped.
it has caused a lot of resentment, from people who had to work right through, some furloughed people telling them how nice the weather was in May in the garden didn't help, I'm sure.
Absolutely spot on, so many companies deffered to furlough as their default option and protecting their companies profits.
The scheme as stated should have been specifically to related industries in the retail and leisure industry and only extended to these.
Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:51 am
oohahhPaulMillar wrote:skidemin wrote:Valley Blue wrote:No "cure" for covid. Furlough ended . Return to work or not?
there was no cure or option to be furloughed for the 7 million worked right through. or were many of these jobs particularly covid secure... people should have been unfurloughed months ago ..
Totally agree, the whole furloughed system was flawed
People working in hospitals, care homes, supermarkets, transport, lorry drivers etc etc had no option but to put their health at risk and work all the way through.
Yet people who worked worked in the much, much safer environments of offices, factories, building sites and many other places were furloughed at the tax payers expense many of them on full pay for 3/4/5 months.
How is that fair??
People who were furloughed in my opinion should pay extra taxes to at least start to repay their”free” wages
grinds my gears mate.. some of the stuff being said like ..they want to treat us like guinea pigs , and i dont feel it safe until there is a vacine is so so disrespectful to all those you mentioned above , especially when many of those who were furloughed were working in much lower risk environments
Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:55 pm
Most office staff (if their company has anything about them) have worked at home remotely since the start of Covid and all the way through, personally don't know anyone who works in an office that's on furlough and would be interested to know why if they are.
The guidance was work at home 'if you can'.
It would be interesting to see a breakdown but I'd be very surprised if many office based worked were on the Furlough scheme, it's almost certainly made up of the people mentioned above who simply couldn't work, and quite rightly so.
Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:05 pm
I’m still in/out of furlough. The demand is well down, and factories can’t get materials out to sites because of staff shielding. It’s not just about risk. And the weather was quite nice in May.
It’s not fair, but no-one said it would be.
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