ABSOLUTELY CRAZY!

Lawyer and black rights activist wants name of residential street in Barry changed saying it honours a Welsh slave owner

Vale of Glamorgan Council said the name is a Welsh translation for peninsular and not meant to reference any individual


Black Lives Matter activists are demanding the name of a new build street in Barry is changed saying it honours a well-known Welsh slave owner.

They are staging a protest outside the Vale of Glamorgan Council offices on Saturday, July 25, in protest over the name Fford Penrhyn given to a new residential street on the town’s waterfront.

Vale of Glamorgan council leader Neil Moore said a review of street names is being carried out but that this particular street was named after the Welsh for “peninsular” and not after any individual.

Lawyer and black rights activist Hillary Brown, who is leading the protest, said that is not good enough.

She pointed out that name honours slave master Richard Pennant, the first Baron Penrhyn.

He made his fortune off the back of slaves forced to work on his plantations in Jamaica. The money made was crucial to his development of the slate industry and Penrhyn Castle on the outskirts of Bangor.

The National Trust, which now maintains the castle, says on its website: “Penrhyn Castle’s foundations were built on a dark history. One of exploitation, Jamaican sugar fortunes and the transatlantic slave trade.”
Penrhyn Castle, near Bangor (Image: Daily Post Wales)

Ms Brown said she was astonished no one at the Vale of Glamorgan Council made the connection when the street name was chosen, even if they meant to reference the local geography.

“I was driving last week on the new estate and was absolutely horrified to see one of the streets is named Fford Penrhyn. I couldn’t believe it.

“I contacted the builders Persimmon and they said the local authority chose street names. When I contacted the council they said the name means headland or peninsular in Welsh. But that’s unacceptable and I want it changed.

“Even if it is a genuine error it’s a name that celebrates a slave master. It’s offensive to the people who live in Barry, in Jamaica and everyone.

“We will be holding a protest outside the council offices and want the name changed.”
A Black Lives Matter protest in Bridgend last month (Image: Mark Lewis)

Cllr Moore said the street was not named after an individual but a review of street names and public buildings is being carried out in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests.

He said: “The street in question was not named after an individual, but rather includes the Welsh translation for peninsular or headland, reflecting its location near the coast. It is also a Cornish name for headland. The name does not refer to any historical figure.

“A process to review all statues and commemorations, including street names, public buildings and plaques in the Vale of Glamorgan is under way. It is vital those on public land are representative of local people’s values and those of a modern, inclusive council.

“We will be working with our communities and appropriate organisations to investigate links to slavery and any other behaviour or practice not befitting our ethos. The council will be considering the contents of the review in due course.

“This is a further example of the council’s determination to tackle prejudice in all its forms. As an organisation, we remain absolutely committed to the principle of equality regardless of race, age, gender, religion, disability or sexual orientation.”

Peninsula or headline.

No discussion needed.

End of.

Peninsula or headline.

No discussion needed.

End of.

Trouble is the name will be blacked out with paint by these racist activists if dont get there way

Having looked into my family history I find that my ancestors came to the UK with William the Conqueror in 1066. Keevil being anglicised from the french Chevle - meaning Chevalier - or horseman in Williams army.

I dare say there were lots of nasty goings on back then with the invaders

So I wonder whether the village given to my ancestors, Keevil Village should be considered for a renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keevil

Its all getting a bit silly is this. Dont get me wrong I am fully supportive of the original issues regarding the improper treatment ny Police of black individuals in the US. But we seem to have lost sight of that with all this slave stuff.

History is history. You cant just wipe it out. If we start wiping out history when will it end? The holocaust and events of WW2 were not pleasant of course. But we remember them so hopefully it never happens again!

Having looked into my family history I find that my ancestors came to the UK with William the Conqueror in 1066. Keevil being anglicised from the french Chevle - meaning Chevalier - or horseman in Williams army.

I dare say there were lots of nasty goings on back then with the invaders

So I wonder whether the village given to my ancestors, Keevil Village should be considered for a renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keevil

Its all getting a bit silly is this. Dont get me wrong I am fully supportive of the original issues regarding the improper treatment ny Police of black individuals in the US. But we seem to have lost sight of that with all this slave stuff.

History is history. You cant just wipe it out. If we start wiping out history when will it end? The holocaust and events of WW2 were not pleasant of course. But we remember them so hopefully it never happens again!

Funny enough the holocaust is oppositie way around the atrocities are highlighted in memorials so people dont forget what nazism did? But black people want anything to do with slavery wiped from the earth for what traders did?

Having looked into my family history I find that my ancestors came to the UK with William the Conqueror in 1066. Keevil being anglicised from the french Chevle - meaning Chevalier - or horseman in Williams army.

I dare say there were lots of nasty goings on back then with the invaders

So I wonder whether the village given to my ancestors, Keevil Village should be considered for a renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keevil

Its all getting a bit silly is this. Dont get me wrong I am fully supportive of the original issues regarding the improper treatment ny Police of black individuals in the US. But we seem to have lost sight of that with all this slave stuff.

History is history. You cant just wipe it out. If we start wiping out history when will it end? The holocaust and events of WW2 were not pleasant of course. But we remember them so hopefully it never happens again!

Funny enough the holocaust is oppositie way around the atrocities are highlighted in memorials so people dont forget what nazism did? But black people want anything to do with slavery wiped from the earth for what traders did?

But for your comparison to work the Holocaust memorials would have statues of Hitler and the SS. Which obviously they don't.

It's really getting daft and pandantic now, Welsh laugague names should be persevered not miss -trantlated, Penrhyn is a translation to peninsula or headland is what I was taught. Whats next call it Prince Andrew Way?

Having looked into my family history I find that my ancestors came to the UK with William the Conqueror in 1066. Keevil being anglicised from the french Chevle - meaning Chevalier - or horseman in Williams army.

I dare say there were lots of nasty goings on back then with the invaders

So I wonder whether the village given to my ancestors, Keevil Village should be considered for a renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keevil

Its all getting a bit silly is this. Dont get me wrong I am fully supportive of the original issues regarding the improper treatment ny Police of black individuals in the US. But we seem to have lost sight of that with all this slave stuff.

History is history. You cant just wipe it out. If we start wiping out history when will it end? The holocaust and events of WW2 were not pleasant of course. But we remember them so hopefully it never happens again!

Funny enough the holocaust is oppositie way around the atrocities are highlighted in memorials so people dont forget what nazism did? But black people want anything to do with slavery wiped from the earth for what traders did?

But for your comparison to work the Holocaust memorials would have statues of Hitler and the SS. Which obviously they don't.

Does it matter if have a statue or a concentration camp or any other thing built by Hitler its still a reminder associated with nazism and Hitler ? The point is they are
a monument kept by people as a reminder of what nazism did and was! Yet a statue put up to remind people of what good a person
did for a city is torn down because of slavery which by way was supported by black people in some African countries! So what was worse slavery or nazism? .. ..

Having looked into my family history I find that my ancestors came to the UK with William the Conqueror in 1066. Keevil being anglicised from the french Chevle - meaning Chevalier - or horseman in Williams army.

I dare say there were lots of nasty goings on back then with the invaders

So I wonder whether the village given to my ancestors, Keevil Village should be considered for a renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keevil

Its all getting a bit silly is this. Dont get me wrong I am fully supportive of the original issues regarding the improper treatment ny Police of black individuals in the US. But we seem to have lost sight of that with all this slave stuff.

History is history. You cant just wipe it out. If we start wiping out history when will it end? The holocaust and events of WW2 were not pleasant of course. But we remember them so hopefully it never happens again!

Funny enough the holocaust is oppositie way around the atrocities are highlighted in memorials so people dont forget what nazism did? But black people want anything to do with slavery wiped from the earth for what traders did?

But for your comparison to work the Holocaust memorials would have statues of Hitler and the SS. Which obviously they don't.

Does it matter if have a statue or a concentration camp or any other thing built by Hitler its still a reminder associated with nazism and Hitler ? The point is they are
a monument kept by people as a reminder of what nazism did and was! Yet a statue put up to remind people of what good a person
did for a city is torn down because of slavery which by way was supported by black people in some African countries! So what was worse slavery or nazism? .. ..

One is a memorial about the atrosities the other is a statue glorifying a man. Evident differences.

Did you get your knickers in a twist when Jimmy savile' statue got removed? Or were you desperate to keep it to preserve our history?

Maybe we should put up a statue of the wests or a few IRA or terrorists as well. We can't erase history and if they don't have a statue how can anyone learn it?

Having looked into my family history I find that my ancestors came to the UK with William the Conqueror in 1066. Keevil being anglicised from the french Chevle - meaning Chevalier - or horseman in Williams army.

I dare say there were lots of nasty goings on back then with the invaders

So I wonder whether the village given to my ancestors, Keevil Village should be considered for a renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keevil

Its all getting a bit silly is this. Dont get me wrong I am fully supportive of the original issues regarding the improper treatment ny Police of black individuals in the US. But we seem to have lost sight of that with all this slave stuff.

History is history. You cant just wipe it out. If we start wiping out history when will it end? The holocaust and events of WW2 were not pleasant of course. But we remember them so hopefully it never happens again!

Funny enough the holocaust is oppositie way around the atrocities are highlighted in memorials so people dont forget what nazism did? But black people want anything to do with slavery wiped from the earth for what traders did?

But for your comparison to work the Holocaust memorials would have statues of Hitler and the SS. Which obviously they don't.

ah right so the German people should have had statues of the nazis made at the end of the war ?

Having looked into my family history I find that my ancestors came to the UK with William the Conqueror in 1066. Keevil being anglicised from the french Chevle - meaning Chevalier - or horseman in Williams army.

I dare say there were lots of nasty goings on back then with the invaders

So I wonder whether the village given to my ancestors, Keevil Village should be considered for a renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keevil

Its all getting a bit silly is this. Dont get me wrong I am fully supportive of the original issues regarding the improper treatment ny Police of black individuals in the US. But we seem to have lost sight of that with all this slave stuff.

History is history. You cant just wipe it out. If we start wiping out history when will it end? The holocaust and events of WW2 were not pleasant of course. But we remember them so hopefully it never happens again!

Funny enough the holocaust is oppositie way around the atrocities are highlighted in memorials so people dont forget what nazism did? But black people want anything to do with slavery wiped from the earth for what traders did?

But for your comparison to work the Holocaust memorials would have statues of Hitler and the SS. Which obviously they don't.

Does it matter if have a statue or a concentration camp or any other thing built by Hitler its still a reminder associated with nazism and Hitler ? The point is they are
a monument kept by people as a reminder of what nazism did and was! Yet a statue put up to remind people of what good a person
did for a city is torn down because of slavery which by way was supported by black people in some African countries! So what was worse slavery or nazism? .. ..

One is a memorial about the atrosities the other is a statue glorifying a man. Evident differences.

Did you get your knickers in a twist when Jimmy savile' statue got removed? Or were you desperate to keep it to preserve our history?

Maybe we should put up a statue of the wests or a few IRA or terrorists as well. We can't erase history and if they don't have a statue how can anyone learn it?

Didn't know he had a statue? ffs your talking gobbly gook best stick to being a labour supporter suites you better at least can understand you

Having looked into my family history I find that my ancestors came to the UK with William the Conqueror in 1066. Keevil being anglicised from the french Chevle - meaning Chevalier - or horseman in Williams army.

I dare say there were lots of nasty goings on back then with the invaders

So I wonder whether the village given to my ancestors, Keevil Village should be considered for a renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keevil

Its all getting a bit silly is this. Dont get me wrong I am fully supportive of the original issues regarding the improper treatment ny Police of black individuals in the US. But we seem to have lost sight of that with all this slave stuff.

History is history. You cant just wipe it out. If we start wiping out history when will it end? The holocaust and events of WW2 were not pleasant of course. But we remember them so hopefully it never happens again!

Funny enough the holocaust is oppositie way around the atrocities are highlighted in memorials so people dont forget what nazism did? But black people want anything to do with slavery wiped from the earth for what traders did?

But for your comparison to work the Holocaust memorials would have statues of Hitler and the SS. Which obviously they don't.

ah right so the German people should have had statues of the nazis made at the end of the war ?

Never knew a memorial had to be statue..... was trying to highlight fact can preserve something to remind people of something that person had done and you can destroy something to erase what a person done ? but think point was missed as it wasnt about politics joshes speciality....

People need to stop apologising, stop giving in to them.

Nothing will be good enough, nothing will be enough to appease or satisfy these people. They live to find offence.

Why government and media is so hellbent on backing this lunacy is beyond reprehensible.

Having looked into my family history I find that my ancestors came to the UK with William the Conqueror in 1066. Keevil being anglicised from the french Chevle - meaning Chevalier - or horseman in Williams army.

I dare say there were lots of nasty goings on back then with the invaders

So I wonder whether the village given to my ancestors, Keevil Village should be considered for a renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keevil

Its all getting a bit silly is this. Dont get me wrong I am fully supportive of the original issues regarding the improper treatment ny Police of black individuals in the US. But we seem to have lost sight of that with all this slave stuff.

History is history. You cant just wipe it out. If we start wiping out history when will it end? The holocaust and events of WW2 were not pleasant of course. But we remember them so hopefully it never happens again!

Funny enough the holocaust is oppositie way around the atrocities are highlighted in memorials so people dont forget what nazism did? But black people want anything to do with slavery wiped from the earth for what traders did?

But for your comparison to work the Holocaust memorials would have statues of Hitler and the SS. Which obviously they don't.

ah right so the German people should have had statues of the nazis made at the end of the war ?

Never knew a memorial had to be statue..... was trying to highlight fact can preserve something to remind people of something that person had done and you can destroy something to erase what a person done ? but think point was missed as it wasnt about politics joshes speciality....

i was answeriing his statue post. as there were no statues of Hitller..
why him and m and m keep going on about sadam and hitler i dont know..

Having looked into my family history I find that my ancestors came to the UK with William the Conqueror in 1066. Keevil being anglicised from the french Chevle - meaning Chevalier - or horseman in Williams army.

I dare say there were lots of nasty goings on back then with the invaders

So I wonder whether the village given to my ancestors, Keevil Village should be considered for a renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keevil

Its all getting a bit silly is this. Dont get me wrong I am fully supportive of the original issues regarding the improper treatment ny Police of black individuals in the US. But we seem to have lost sight of that with all this slave stuff.

History is history. You cant just wipe it out. If we start wiping out history when will it end? The holocaust and events of WW2 were not pleasant of course. But we remember them so hopefully it never happens again!

i think the name of the village is safe mate, your ancestors are allowed to have been the biggest bastards of all time. as long as it was white people they killed, maimed, raped, and enslaved...

got to say..i dont think what you call .the original issues... were ever the original issues.. the george floyd video fell into their laps as a vehicle to get people on side...there are multiple horrendous murders of black men every day out there.. and each would be very emotive viewing if on film.. mostly committed by black men..
and if black lives really mattered, that should be their starting point..

would it surprise you to know that the woman leading the protest in barry (hillary brown) has a son who is a convicted drug dealer?

Maybe she and the rest of BLM could make sure no one re names Caroline Street "chippy lane"

Having looked into my family history I find that my ancestors came to the UK with William the Conqueror in 1066. Keevil being anglicised from the french Chevle - meaning Chevalier - or horseman in Williams army.

I dare say there were lots of nasty goings on back then with the invaders

So I wonder whether the village given to my ancestors, Keevil Village should be considered for a renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keevil

Its all getting a bit silly is this. Dont get me wrong I am fully supportive of the original issues regarding the improper treatment ny Police of black individuals in the US. But we seem to have lost sight of that with all this slave stuff.

History is history. You cant just wipe it out. If we start wiping out history when will it end? The holocaust and events of WW2 were not pleasant of course. But we remember them so hopefully it never happens again!

Funny enough the holocaust is oppositie way around the atrocities are highlighted in memorials so people dont forget what nazism did? But black people want anything to do with slavery wiped from the earth for what traders did?

But for your comparison to work the Holocaust memorials would have statues of Hitler and the SS. Which obviously they don't.

Does it matter if have a statue or a concentration camp or any other thing built by Hitler its still a reminder associated with nazism and Hitler ? The point is they are
a monument kept by people as a reminder of what nazism did and was! Yet a statue put up to remind people of what good a person
did for a city is torn down because of slavery which by way was supported by black people in some African countries! So what was worse slavery or nazism? .. ..

One is a memorial about the atrosities the other is a statue glorifying a man. Evident differences.

Did you get your knickers in a twist when Jimmy savile' statue got removed? Or were you desperate to keep it to preserve our history?

Maybe we should put up a statue of the wests or a few IRA or terrorists as well. We can't erase history and if they don't have a statue how can anyone learn it?

Didn't know he had a statue? ffs your talking gobbly gook best stick to being a labour supporter suites you better at least can understand you

Well he did, and other things like a bench. So, do you want it to go back up?

If these clowns want to erase the history of slavery, got to add the Eygptians, romans, persians greeks, vikings, aztecs, mayans, normans, arabs (BLM!) all european and american countries..on and on. In fact the whole history of the world

Having looked into my family history I find that my ancestors came to the UK with William the Conqueror in 1066. Keevil being anglicised from the french Chevle - meaning Chevalier - or horseman in Williams army.

I dare say there were lots of nasty goings on back then with the invaders

So I wonder whether the village given to my ancestors, Keevil Village should be considered for a renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keevil

Its all getting a bit silly is this. Dont get me wrong I am fully supportive of the original issues regarding the improper treatment ny Police of black individuals in the US. But we seem to have lost sight of that with all this slave stuff.

History is history. You cant just wipe it out. If we start wiping out history when will it end? The holocaust and events of WW2 were not pleasant of course. But we remember them so hopefully it never happens again!

Funny enough the holocaust is oppositie way around the atrocities are highlighted in memorials so people dont forget what nazism did? But black people want anything to do with slavery wiped from the earth for what traders did?

But for your comparison to work the Holocaust memorials would have statues of Hitler and the SS. Which obviously they don't.

ah right so the German people should have had statues of the nazis made at the end of the war ?

Never knew a memorial had to be statue..... was trying to highlight fact can preserve something to remind people of something that person had done and you can destroy something to erase what a person done ? but think point was missed as it wasnt about politics joshes speciality....

i was answeriing his statue post. as there were no statues of Hitller..
why him and m and m keep going on about sadam and hitler i dont know..

I keep 'going on' about Hitler because of the 'you can destroy something to erase what a person has done.' line. There are no statues or benches etc of Hitler and yet we've all heard of him.

I'll ask you the same question I asked Al. Were you against the removing if the Jimmy savile memorials and would you reinstall them?

Having looked into my family history I find that my ancestors came to the UK with William the Conqueror in 1066. Keevil being anglicised from the french Chevle - meaning Chevalier - or horseman in Williams army.

I dare say there were lots of nasty goings on back then with the invaders

So I wonder whether the village given to my ancestors, Keevil Village should be considered for a renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keevil

Its all getting a bit silly is this. Dont get me wrong I am fully supportive of the original issues regarding the improper treatment ny Police of black individuals in the US. But we seem to have lost sight of that with all this slave stuff.

History is history. You cant just wipe it out. If we start wiping out history when will it end? The holocaust and events of WW2 were not pleasant of course. But we remember them so hopefully it never happens again!

Funny enough the holocaust is oppositie way around the atrocities are highlighted in memorials so people dont forget what nazism did? But black people want anything to do with slavery wiped from the earth for what traders did?

But for your comparison to work the Holocaust memorials would have statues of Hitler and the SS. Which obviously they don't.

ah right so the German people should have had statues of the nazis made at the end of the war ?

Never knew a memorial had to be statue..... was trying to highlight fact can preserve something to remind people of something that person had done and you can destroy something to erase what a person done ? but think point was missed as it wasnt about politics joshes speciality....

i was answeriing his statue post. as there were no statues of Hitller..
why him and m and m keep going on about sadam and hitler i dont know..

I keep 'going on' about Hitler because of the 'you can destroy something to erase what a person has done.' line. There are no statues or benches etc of Hitler and yet we've all heard of him.

I'll ask you the same question I asked Al. Were you against the removing if the Jimmy savile memorials and would you reinstall them?

you and your mate struggle with the difference between the here and now and 100s of years ago... god how can you not see these 100 odd year old monuments have little to do with putting up statues of yourself ?
but no i wasnt against removing the Saville thing { im shocked he had one tbh, but id agree with it not being there }.. had he lived he would have been charged and probably gone to prison. these were not charged because there was no crime .. eg William the conqueror would not have been viewed as JS is now for doing exactly the same and possibly worse... ...neither would i or this generation have erected monuments to people involved in a modern day slave trade. let alone manufacture Hitler statues.. life changes and attitudes change along the way, thats what history is.. like it or not having slaves was acceptable and slave trading was a legitimate business . in fact having slaves has been acceptable throughout history until relatively recently and its not only been a white on black thing either .

Having looked into my family history I find that my ancestors came to the UK with William the Conqueror in 1066. Keevil being anglicised from the french Chevle - meaning Chevalier - or horseman in Williams army.

I dare say there were lots of nasty goings on back then with the invaders

So I wonder whether the village given to my ancestors, Keevil Village should be considered for a renaming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keevil

Its all getting a bit silly is this. Dont get me wrong I am fully supportive of the original issues regarding the improper treatment ny Police of black individuals in the US. But we seem to have lost sight of that with all this slave stuff.

History is history. You cant just wipe it out. If we start wiping out history when will it end? The holocaust and events of WW2 were not pleasant of course. But we remember them so hopefully it never happens again!

Funny enough the holocaust is oppositie way around the atrocities are highlighted in memorials so people dont forget what nazism did? But black people want anything to do with slavery wiped from the earth for what traders did?

But for your comparison to work the Holocaust memorials would have statues of Hitler and the SS. Which obviously they don't.

ah right so the German people should have had statues of the nazis made at the end of the war ?

Never knew a memorial had to be statue..... was trying to highlight fact can preserve something to remind people of something that person had done and you can destroy something to erase what a person done ? but think point was missed as it wasnt about politics joshes speciality....

i was answeriing his statue post. as there were no statues of Hitller..
why him and m and m keep going on about sadam and hitler i dont know..

I keep 'going on' about Hitler because of the 'you can destroy something to erase what a person has done.' line. There are no statues or benches etc of Hitler and yet we've all heard of him.

I'll ask you the same question I asked Al. Were you against the removing if the Jimmy savile memorials and would you reinstall them?

you and your mate struggle with the difference between the here and now and 100s of years ago... god how can you not see these 100 odd year old monuments have little to do with putting up statues of yourself ?
but no i wasnt against removing the Saville thing { im shocked he had one tbh, but id agree with it not being there }.. had he lived he would have been charged and probably gone to prison. these were not charged because there was no crime .. eg William the conqueror would not have been viewed as JS is now for doing exactly the same and possibly worse... ...neither would i or this generation have erected monuments to people involved in a modern day slave trade. let alone manufacture Hitler statues.. life changes and attitudes change along the way, thats what history is.. like it or not having slaves was acceptable and slave trading was a legitimate business . in fact having slaves has been acceptable throughout history until relatively recently and its not only been a white on black thing either .

So if they weren't arrested then statue or whatever was put up can stay, with a couple of decades leway (for the Jimmy savile one). When do you say it's the 'past' and can't be judged by modern standards? 100 years? 99? 98?