SLAVER STATUE TO BE REMOVED FROM CITY HALL

Statue Of Slaver To Be Removed From Cardiff City Hall
By Rhys Gregory


The statue of slaver and Waterloo war hero Sir Thomas Picton is to be removed from the Marble Hall of Heroes in Cardiff City Hall.

The decision was taken following a debate and vote held at Cardiff Full Council.


Cardiff’s first Black Lord Mayor, Cllr Dan De’Ath, called for the statue to be removed because of Picton’s links to slavery and his documented torture of a teenage girl forced into slavery in the West Indies.


The call to remove the statue was backed by Council Leader, Cllr Huw Thomas, who said: “There have been well-publicised calls in the wake of the Black Lives Matter movement for a reassessment of how individuals in British history with involvement in slavery are commemorated. Specifically in Cardiff the debate has focused on the statue of Sir Thomas Picton in City Hall.

“I am pleased our Council has taken the decision to remove this statue and I’m also pleased that this decision was made following a public debate and a democratic vote.

“However, whilst gestures such as this are important, they cannot deflect us from the harder task of trying to address the challenges still experienced by Black communities today.

“Although Cardiff has a proud history of multiculturalism, and a tradition of celebrating diversity, this cannot be an excuse for complacency or inaction, and we must acknowledge that there are people of colour in this city today who must deal with racism as a feature of their everyday lives. It is important therefore in my view that we too reflect on how we can address the issues faced by Black communities in the city. This is why I am setting up a task force to work with Black and BAME communities in Cardiff to establish what more the Council can do to support them. I am eager that this avoids just being a talking shop where the same discussions we’ve heard for decades are repeated. Rather, I want to hear from new voices, and focus on tactical issues where the Council can act quickly, and galvanise change in others, responding to the real needs of our communities.”


The statue of Picton will now be boxed over in the Marble Hall while an application is made to make alterations to what is a Grade1 listed building. The application will be made to Welsh Government who will take advice from CADW, its historic environment service. This process could take in excess of 20 weeks.

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

I can see your point, Allan, and that is alluded to in my own post; history should NEVER be a tool of convenience

I am sure this particular statue will end up in one of the museums, maybe Cardiff or St Fagans, where it can be used to teach future generations about how Wales (in particular) became the multi-cultural city that it is

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

we are already seeing history being re written and expunged mate... where does it end is the question. because finding fault is the easiest thing in the world to do..

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

I can see your point, Allan, and that is alluded to in my own post; history should NEVER be a tool of convenience

I am sure this particular statue will end up in one of the museums, maybe Cardiff or St Fagans, where it can be used to teach future generations about how Wales (in particular) became the multi-cultural city that it is

Chris
instead of removing them so that few people see it why not simply but a tablet with it explaining its origins ect now that is teaching people history not removing it. But the radicals want to instill their own brand of history that is ok for them ! what's to say 50yrs from now they will be removed by another movement that does not agree with what they did? To.me its just robotic officials pandering to the whims of a group that is a racist organisation out to destabilise society.

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

I agree with you Allan,

We are now turning to remove the true history of the UK and virtually deny it ever happened.

When elected officials discriminate and pander, we are in dangerous times. The Mayor is black. So what!

I think it's Ukraine (correct me if im wrong) that have a statue park where they put removed statues of people with a description of the terrible things they did.
While i agree these people should not be glorified with statues, we shouldn't completely remove them either, just relocate them to a place where people can educate themselves.

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

we are already seeing history being re written and expunged mate... where does it end is the question. because finding fault is the easiest thing in the world to do..

No we’re not mate calm down, history is doing just fine. Statues aren’t educational or historical they’re put in place to glorify people. There’s 9 statues in the city centre which I imagine we’ve both walked past hundreds of times and the only one I can name is Aneurin Bevan.

Picton’s name isn’t being removed from history books, his deeds both good and bad aren’t being edited out of Wikipedia articles or museum information boards. This mans entire life can be read about with a single google search, there’s hundreds of books, journals, newspaper clippings, first hand and second hand accounts about the man that will not be touched. All that’s happening is a statue glorifying him will be taken down as he’s now deemed less worthy of glorification.

I think we should replace him with a more important figure of British history.
He doesn't have any statues so he's practically unknown.
I think his name was Adolf Hitler.

Our own history was eradicated in the late 1800s around the time of the Welsh Knot. It was replaced by the history of England along with the removal of our native tounge. Teachers and Headmasters were imported from England to follow this through Fact. So the removal of Slave Traders from our history is insignificant in comparison IMHO.

An excellent post by bushy eyebrows.

Was it discussed at their cosy little " oh we need to pander to BLM " meeting that Picton was also a Waterloo war hero !!

Leave statues there with literature attached through either on plaque's or those smart Q reader things so people can read ALL the history not just the pc selected bits.

Our own history was eradicated in the late 1800s around the time of the Welsh Knot. It was replaced by the history of England along with the removal of our native tounge. Teachers and Headmasters were imported from England to follow this through Fact. So the removal of Slave Traders from our history is insignificant in comparison IMHO.

Indeed but things are turning around and give or take a couple of generations our language culture will be back to where it was in the 1800's.

The difference between us and BLM is we have odne it the proper way by political means. We have not gone to the streets demanding it and causing destruction unlike BLM. The problem I have with this slavery removal is it is looking like we are bowing down to violence. If we do that what next? I'm all for removing any evidence of our slavery history and confining it to the musems before anyone asks.

Statue Of Slaver To Be Removed From Cardiff City Hall
By Rhys Gregory


The statue of slaver and Waterloo war hero Sir Thomas Picton is to be removed from the Marble Hall of Heroes in Cardiff City Hall.

The decision was taken following a debate and vote held at Cardiff Full Council.


Cardiff’s first Black Lord Mayor, Cllr Dan De’Ath, called for the statue to be removed because of Picton’s links to slavery and his documented torture of a teenage girl forced into slavery in the West Indies.


The call to remove the statue was backed by Council Leader, Cllr Huw Thomas, who said: “There have been well-publicised calls in the wake of the Black Lives Matter movement for a reassessment of how individuals in British history with involvement in slavery are commemorated. Specifically in Cardiff the debate has focused on the statue of Sir Thomas Picton in City Hall.

“I am pleased our Council has taken the decision to remove this statue and I’m also pleased that this decision was made following a public debate and a democratic vote.

“However, whilst gestures such as this are important, they cannot deflect us from the harder task of trying to address the challenges still experienced by Black communities today.

“Although Cardiff has a proud history of multiculturalism, and a tradition of celebrating diversity, this cannot be an excuse for complacency or inaction, and we must acknowledge that there are people of colour in this city today who must deal with racism as a feature of their everyday lives. It is important therefore in my view that we too reflect on how we can address the issues faced by Black communities in the city. This is why I am setting up a task force to work with Black and BAME communities in Cardiff to establish what more the Council can do to support them. I am eager that this avoids just being a talking shop where the same discussions we’ve heard for decades are repeated. Rather, I want to hear from new voices, and focus on tactical issues where the Council can act quickly, and galvanise change in others, responding to the real needs of our communities.”


The statue of Picton will now be boxed over in the Marble Hall while an application is made to make alterations to what is a Grade1 listed building. The application will be made to Welsh Government who will take advice from CADW, its historic environment service. This process could take in excess of 20 weeks.

Would anyone even notice, i've certainly never gone to the Musium to look for the statue of whoever he is?

I'm sure Queen Victoria and the royals before her , had black slaves and they definitely had Indian servants , paid a pittance if anything !
Should her statue and anything to do with royalty , before 1900 be removed ?

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

Uhh? you don't change or deny history by removing statues. How many statues have you seen of King Alfred, King Harold, William the Conq, Duke of Wellington, Captain cook and 100s more. They exist in history and your Knowledge without the need for you to have seen statues.

Remove them and you don't change history or deny history. What a silly concept

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

Agree dont judge history on modern day standards

Leave them and also it makes no difference. The psychological trauma inferred by a statues existence cannot possibly exist. Something else is at play.

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

Uhh? you don't change or deny history by removing statues. How many statues have you seen of King Alfred, King Harold, William the Conq, Duke of Wellington, Captain cook and 100s more. They exist in history and your Knowledge without the need for you to have seen statues.

Remove them and you don't change history or deny history. What a silly concept

Ffs always get a random poster so its As silly concept as having someone post on here with couple of posts since 2012!!! Where have you been enslaved or just invisible? others have said same thing why not pick out their posts but think you are my long time stalker?

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

Uhh? you don't change or deny history by removing statues. How many statues have you seen of King Alfred, King Harold, William the Conq, Duke of Wellington, Captain cook and 100s more. They exist in history and your Knowledge without the need for you to have seen statues.

Remove them and you don't change history or deny history. What a silly concept

Ffs always get a random poster so its As silly concept as having someone post on here with couple of posts since 2012!!! Where have you been enslaved or just invisible? others have said same thing why not pick out their posts but think you are my long time stalker who posts randomly with different names? :wave

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

Uhh? you don't change or deny history by removing statues. How many statues have you seen of King Alfred, King Harold, William the Conq, Duke of Wellington, Captain cook and 100s more. They exist in history and your Knowledge without the need for you to have seen statues.

Remove them and you don't change history or deny history. What a silly concept

Extreme Leftwing academics are rewriting history, indeed one badly educated lunatic on here claimed the Egyptians didn’t have any slaves and the pyramids were built entirely by well paid skilled craftsmen. A (Muslim) history professor in a US Ivy League Uni, teaches that Muslim slaves were treated really well and their slavery wasn’t like the nasty white mans slavery. My biggest problem with all of this is that the council referenced the Worldwide BLM movement, nobody should do anything because these racist Marxist scumbags wants it

Anyone object to the road near the city hall being called Stuttgart strasse ?. The German air raids of world war 2 killed 400 people in Cardiff.

Hit the reset button AND accept the past, all this snowflake offence and the exited to be offended should shut up and accept the past CANNOT be changed, or even worse expunged

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

Uhh? you don't change or deny history by removing statues. How many statues have you seen of King Alfred, King Harold, William the Conq, Duke of Wellington, Captain cook and 100s more. They exist in history and your Knowledge without the need for you to have seen statues.

Remove them and you don't change history or deny history. What a silly concept

Ffs always get a random poster so its As silly concept as having someone post on here with couple of posts since 2012!!! Where have you been enslaved or just invisible? others have said same thing why not pick out their posts but think you are my long time stalker?

Not picking on you but you made the point about changing history and abolishing history and many agreed with you.

I learnt about many figures from history without statues so i assume maybe that my school in Cardiff was unique in teaching without the help of Statues. Most on here had never Heard of Picton and Colston before BLM thrust them into the limelight.

There was a fellow i think in Iraq who led the country oh wait no he didn't or did he, well anyway i can recall something about a statue being toppled and people hitting it with their shoes but i don't know why or what he was supposed to have done because the statue has gone.

You see my point? Removing statues doesn't change or alter history. Now mock me and my post from 2012 but you and many agreed with your theory that removing statues somehow alters history.

So again i will say, wow what an unusual outlook to have. Totally can't get my head around that concept so sorry to you and all who agree with you. Removing a statue alters history or erases history.......my my well i never knew that. Wonder if there any academic papers on that phenomenon?.... removing statues alters or erases history????

Anyone object to the road near the city hall being called Stuttgart strasse ?. The German air raids of world war 2 killed 400 people in Cardiff.

exactly mate...do you go protesting in Germany every weekend or is it treated as the past....

Chicago Christopher Columbus has gone to.
Why are you so hyped about about statues.
Knock the f*cking lot down except Fred and replace them with statues of kids who forced to work in the mines etc at a, tender age or who were bombed to death in the war or the aid workers who were murdered by ISIS

Personally, I have no major issue with this; so long as we don't see a re-writing of history to expunge the deeds (good or bad) of a man 'of his time' who brought a lot more to Wales than that which has been highlighted of late

It's right that a more educated and diverse society should work together to accept and understand how best we can all move forward whilst accepting the lessons of what happened in the past as a barometer of success

Only problem is you take all these statues away and like other places renaming buildings ect you actually are denying history As be no visible record of these people ? Ffs they've even removed the statue of black labrador dog mascot of the dam busters. From the squadron memorial? Why because its name was N+++++ now there is nothing to say how important he was to pilots morall... like said history is being abolished as if never happened.

Uhh? you don't change or deny history by removing statues. How many statues have you seen of King Alfred, King Harold, William the Conq, Duke of Wellington, Captain cook and 100s more. They exist in history and your Knowledge without the need for you to have seen statues.

Remove them and you don't change history or deny history. What a silly concept

Ffs always get a random poster so its As silly concept as having someone post on here with couple of posts since 2012!!! Where have you been enslaved or just invisible? others have said same thing why not pick out their posts but think you are my long time stalker?

Not picking on you but you made the point about changing history and abolishing history and many agreed with you.

I learnt about many figures from history without statues so i assume maybe that my school in Cardiff was unique in teaching without the help of Statues. Most on here had never Heard of Picton and Colston before BLM thrust them into the limelight.

There was a fellow i think in Iraq who led the country oh wait no he didn't or did he, well anyway i can recall something about a statue being toppled and people hitting it with their shoes but i don't know why or what he was supposed to have done because the statue has gone.

You see my point? Removing statues doesn't change or alter history. Now mock me and my post from 2012 but you and many agreed with your theory that removing statues somehow alters history.

So again i will say, wow what an unusual outlook to have. Totally can't get my head around that concept so sorry to you and all who agree with you. Removing a statue alters history or erases history.......my my well i never knew that. Wonder if there any academic papers on that phenomenon?.... removing statues alters or erases history????

so if it does not alter history why pull them down ?
none of these statues were erected because any of these men were tip top slavers... they were erected as a mark of respect for things done in improving communities by those that lived in that era... that itself is history surely ?
as for the Sadam comparison, it was toppled by a conquering army and was a statue to himself...

They've boarded him up now so he can't be seen.

Pathetic